>there should be a separate production post for hip hop
>though. hip hop and production are inseperable for the most
>part.

It depends on how you look at it. If you look at the hip-hop lyrics at poetry then yes they can exist without production to accompany them. But if you don't look at it like that then perhaps not.

>im not sure if saying that hip hop production is to be
>blamed for the lack of songs in R&B or if we should say the
>hip hop notion of songwriting is to blame. a song liek crazy
>in love for example, is about two parts, and thats IT. the
>horn loop and the verse/go-go beat loop. theres nothing else
>to it!

True, but that only goes to add the original point of the post. The production of the songs is at the forefront with the hook. Lyrics play backfield.