Strong Island:
EPMD
DE LA SOUL
PUBLIC ENEMY
ERIC B & RAKIM

Westchester:
BRAND NUBIAN
PETE ROCK & CL SMOOTH


Just goes to show how deep NY is with its hip hop.. thats not even mentioning artists from any of the boroughs.. can you name a more talented 30 mile radius in hip hop???

NOPE!!!

...front to back i think its their best album ..even the wack cut "you had too much to drink" is a cult classic to EPMD fans ...but DJ SCRATCH is a another reason this is their best album ..i've said it before, he was doing scratches back then that blew me away ..i dont remember anyone else with cuts as dope as DJ SCRATCH at this time

>...front to back i think its their best album ..even the
>wack cut "you had too much to drink" is a cult classic to EPMD
>fans ...but DJ SCRATCH is a another reason this is their
>best album ..i've said it before, he was doing scratches back
>then that blew me away ..i dont remember anyone else with cuts
>as dope as DJ SCRATCH at this time
>
>

And it's one of my five favorites hip-hop songs ever.

>And it's one of my five favorites hip-hop songs ever.

Its one of the reasons why Unfinished Business is my least favorite album from EPMD(pre breakup) but So Wha'cha Sayin iz my favorite song from them. Everything on UB pales in comparison to it.

What are you listening to?

That's front to back my favorite, and pretty fucking flawless. Besides, even if I can tolerate "You Had to Much to Drink," "It's Time to Party" is still ass-awful, even with that decent MFSB sample.

It's Time To Party is the only true throwaway, that's Unfinished's 'The Steve Martin' or 'DJ K La Boss'.

Out of Unfinished or Business as Usual, whenever I'm listening to either one of those I'm convinced it's their best.

I agree that there's no filler on Business as Usual, I feel like the first two have more signature EPMD songs that you'll hear in old-school mixes and 'Crossover' to me falls short of any of those but the album cuts on Business As Usual are fierce.

The drunk-flow on 'Rap Is Outta Control' is a personal favorite, Hardcore gave us Redman, Scratch murders Funky Piano & Give The People.

I feel like listening to this album now.

Yeah that's my favorite EPMD album. They're lyrics were much improved and they advanced their production style. They brought in the 90s lovely with their brand of east coast boom bap.

i copped the first 2 when they dropped + thought they were dope. i didn't really love those albums tho outside of a few standouts (so what u sayin, payback, you're a customer)

i was an big NWA/PE/eric+ra head @ the time + epmd wasn't quite on that level for me from 88-90

business as usual was some next shit tho. everything abt that album was fucking incredible.

Crossover? Headbanger? Chiiiillll? It's Goin' Down?!? Man, that album was my shit

And yes, So Watcha' Sayin' is a top 5 song...

slept on for sure.

I was a little disppointed when I bought the album in 92 but over a little bit of time I began to really like the album. EPMD's 4 album run was VERY impressive!!!

UB in second

It's really good.

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shit, wyndanch(where rakim is from, eric b is from bk) is gully. Mt.vernon is gully and right now very hood, always had that element but more so now. and brentwood(epmd)has it's gully nigguhz, believe me.

but yeah I have noticed the suburb thing before. The NY suburbs always brought a unique flavor to NY hip-hop.

They're about overdue to bring us some hot shit again from the new generation.

...you might want to do a little research (c) geico caveman

and all their music still sounds great

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nigguhz like you are why younger generations of negroes don't know shit about jazz, or even their own history as a people.

continue listening to shawty you fag.

how great NY hip hop is while every other region sucks? And why should we care? It's 2010 and some NYers are still on that "NAHNAHBOOBOOWEBETTERTHANYOU!" Shit.
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and i'm FAR from a new yorker

but i completely agree.

They need something to hold on to.

Geto Boys
Outkast
8Ball & MJG
Goodie Mob
UGK

There's five of the top ten, so somebody has got their math wrong.

>They need something to hold on to.
>
>Geto Boys
>Outkast
>8Ball & MJG
>Goodie Mob
>UGK

And FOH with 8Ball & MJG in a top ten group discussion.

lol.


and as much as I love Goodie Mob...2 great-classic albums and 1 we won't mention doesn't give them enough to put them into the top 10.

and I would give a serious fan UGK but not Eightball & MJG though.

>lol.
>
>
>and as much as I love Goodie Mob...2 great-classic albums and
>1 we won't mention doesn't give them enough to put them into
>the top 10.
>
>and I would give a serious fan UGK but not Eightball & MJG
>though.

8Ball & MJG have a GREAT track record.

u got
Comin out hard
Outside lookin in
On top of the world
In our lifetime
And 8ball got lost
Yalll trippin

and YOU know you are really reaching right now.

don't recgonize the impact, infulence and sheer greatness of 8ball and mjg.

the fact you denyin comin out hard, on the top of the world, and in our lifetime says alot.

then both of they solo albums Lost and no more glory was amazin.

its the fact they was a little more crunk lookin and get buck then the safer ones of UGK and outkast...they didn't have the outhere personality of a pimp c or an andre.....A laid back "he speaks well" of a bun b or...they more ouffputin and wayyy more southern.

YOu really need to listen to they catlouge from they first 4 albums cause they touch on an ass of topics rip an ass of different type beats and laiddown foundation for alot to come forth...gooodie mob def owe a debt to 8ball and mjg.

only someone not in the know would say 8ball and mjg got classic albums would be a reach.

but there is a difference between a classic like ATLiens and In My Lifetime.

8ball & MJG just aren't on the same level as far as their legacy.

I like those dudes, a lot.

but I've got to be real here, and saying they're on the same level as Kast is crazy.

and listing ALL those albums you named as 'classic' is throwing the word around a little too much.

Kast is a top 10 group/duo...UGK, 8ball & MJG and Goodie just don't make that cut imo.

if someone wants to throw UGK or Ball & MJG right at number 10 for certain reasons I wouldn't be mad, but they're just not on that same level as ATCQ, Kast, PE, Wu etc.

for the life of me i don't understand how people online deny ball,and g......but swear by outkast,ugk,and goodie mob....

that's how it was before the internet when the albums came out.

like I said, they may have been big down south but Ball and G never were on the same level as Kast.

I don't even know why we are debating this.

Honestly, Kast or Ball & MJG?

you're telling me Ball & MJG has the better albums?

....theres plenty of great hip hop Cali, Texas, Philly, Boston, Detroit and NC ...but this post is about LI and Westchester

of shit right now

.

they ain't had nobody that really mattered since Big Pun died. Jay & Nas are the only dudes that matter and they're living legends. On another note, since when is Brand Nubian one of the top 10 hip hop groups of all time?

...all I can do is laugh...here are current artists from the NY area that produce heat...lets grow up in here and recognize the endless talent of NY...and oh yeah, eff who is getting radio play and corporate $$$'s...

Kweli-one of the hardest working cats in the game...
Mos-blessed us with a dope project...
Aesop Rock
Monch-"War"-coming soon...
J-Live-new ish is flames....
Doom-dropped a top 10 CD of 09
Breeze Brewin-a lot of truly GREAT guest appearances the last few yrs
GZA-Still sharp
Ghost-some of the best out point in the 2000's, quality ish...
Sean Price-Monkey Bars, one of the best cd's of the year it dropped..
Q-Tip-The Renaissance-a classic
Wordsworth-needs to drop something soon, but truly is a talent...
Masta Ace-Still spitten that real...
Von Pea-him and crew doin they thing...
Raekwon-dropped one of the rawest LP's I have heard in years...
EL-P-really challenging the boundaries of hip hop...duke is the truth...
...and so many more on the come up...

But some of them come in talking like they are the damn underdogs, wtf?

And I'm not even from there.

"the game passed them" ??? The game passed Jordan and Wilt too... They still the best alltime and we WILL keep discussing them so get used to it kiddies!!!

Only problem is a bunch of the artists I listed in the main post is STILL ballin at a high level.. Yall KNOW this too so please stop crying..

*runs away*

we all do it. In fact, I'll be doing that in a post pretty soon.

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I'm thinking LA artists

hell, isn't COMPTON technically a Suburb?

yes as is inglewood.

>yes as is inglewood.

Atlanta is only like 400,000 in population....Long Beach is 500,000, most people never realize that.

It's weird...most of the San Fernando Valley, such as Northridge, is still considered "Los Angeles" city...but that's definitely more like the "suburbs" than Compton, Inglewood, Hawthorne, Gardena, Lynwood, etc. etc.

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>Strong Island:
>EPMD
>DE LA SOUL
>PUBLIC ENEMY
>ERIC B & RAKIM
>
>Westchester:
>BRAND NUBIAN
>PETE ROCK & CL SMOOTH
>
>
>Just goes to show how deep NY is with its hip hop.. thats not
>even mentioning artists from any of the boroughs.. can you
>name a more talented 30 mile radius in hip hop???
>
>NOPE!!!
>
Lets See Add

Tribe Called Quest
Wu Tang
Mobb Deep
Run DMC
Pharcyde
Outkast
Geto Boys
UGK
Eightball MJG
Bone Thugs in Harmony
NWA
Comptons Most Wanted
2 Live Crew

Deletes: Brand Nubian, Pete Rock CL Smooth, EPMD

I Got

Outkast
Run DMC
Wu Tang
NWA
Geto Boys
Public Enemy
Bone Thugs In Harmony
UGK
A Tribe Called Quest
2 Live Crew
(in no particular order)

I got 4 NYC area groups.. 40% is good

queens and staten island aint SUBURBS its NYC

smh

tribe (queens)
Wu (staten island)
mobb deep (queens & LI)
run dmc (queens)

I mean, when I was 12/13 the combination of that Miami Bass Sound & Filthy Comedic Sex Rhymes was pure crack but c'mon.....right today you throw 2 Live Crew on before EPMD?

Not in 2010 though.

Nobody is surprised you think that there hasn't been a great new group since the Wu Tang Clan, in fact we all think you're a joke for it. Do you, Holmes.

....other than the few comments from the usual okp peanut gallery, i'm on point ..now go sit in the corner

it gets real shoddy considering eric b was the dj and it's been said large professor did most of let the rhythm hit em

...i mean, Yonkers, New Rochelle, White Plains & Mt Vernon are cities themselves

Exception to the rule I guess.

or does his restraining order apply to online communication as well?

so obviously more records you've heard or are familiar with would be from the NY area... there could be a group from Alaska thats better but never got signed, so no one knows any better... is ignorance bliss?

everybody you named entered the game 20 years ago

and honestly, will any of those groups EVER drop out of your top 10? I'm as old skool as the next guy, but let's be real. BTW, is Eric B. and Rakim REALLY a group?

>everybody you named entered the game 20 years ago
>and honestly, will any of those groups EVER drop out of your
>top 10?

Many of them are STILL putting out dope music.. and WHY would they drop out of peoples top 10?? Who are you going to replace them with??

BTW...who "matters" to YOU?? Drake???

>BTW, is Eric B. and Rakim REALLY a group

yes, why would you ask that?

>Many of them are STILL putting out dope music.. and WHY would
>they drop out of peoples top 10?? Who are you going to
>replace them with??

They can't be replaced, but they are Hall Of Fame artist, and i'ont think you will EVER put anyone above them.
>
>BTW...who "matters" to YOU?? Drake???

That's just mean... that really hurt fam. I think Drake is a decent rapper, but until he drops an album I can't really judge him.


>>BTW, is Eric B. and Rakim REALLY a group
>
>yes, why would you ask that?

I guess when you really start comparing groups, and you slide in a few acts that were essentially a rapper and a DJ... makes me evaluate a little more. De La is a group, PE, Kid n Play... is Heavy D and the Boyz a group? He had a DJ AND two dancers. What about Ice T and Evil E(i think that was his DJ's name)

>>Many of them are STILL putting out dope music.. and WHY
>would
>>they drop out of peoples top 10?? Who are you going to
>>replace them with??
>They can't be replaced, but they are Hall Of Fame artist, and
>i'ont think you will EVER put anyone above them.


who would YOU put above them?? who are the contenders?? i'm curious



>>BTW...who "matters" to YOU?? Drake???
>
>That's just mean... that really hurt fam. I think Drake is a
>decent rapper, but until he drops an album I can't really
>judge him.


lol, but thats what most people will say.. Drake MATTERS and Rakim is irrelevant.. i'm not making this stuff up.. its actually people that crazy on this site

>>>BTW, is Eric B. and Rakim REALLY a group
>>
>>yes, why would you ask that?
>
>I guess when you really start comparing groups, and you slide
>in a few acts that were essentially a rapper and a DJ... makes
>me evaluate a little more. De La is a group, PE, Kid n Play...
>is Heavy D and the Boyz a group? He had a DJ AND two dancers.
>What about Ice T and Evil E(i think that was his DJ's name)


You make a good point.. how important were the Psychotic Neurotics?? Da Bulldogs?? Da Boyz?? If its dudes that just hang around, not too important.. Dancers & DJ's?? More important... i mean, BDP was mostly just KRS..

>
>who would YOU put above them?? who are the contenders??
>i'm curious
>
>

I wouldn't even say "contenders" or "above", but I believe Black Star could've had a shot if they'd put out more material. The Fugees as well. UGK. I believe Little Brother's body of work is very respectable. Now I'm really starting to realize that groups are far and few these days. I believe if you took each of these groups best albums and gave it a fair look, you'd be surprised how close the grades would be. We're part of a very different era of Hip Hop though... the things we respect and look for in a good record, the kids don't see. It's a sales driven indusrty, and everybody wants to associate themselves with the industry leaders vs who's actually making great music.

>
>>
>>who would YOU put above them?? who are the contenders??
>>i'm curious
>>
>>
>
>I wouldn't even say "contenders" or "above", but I believe
>Black Star could've had a shot if they'd put out more
>material. The Fugees as well. UGK. I believe Little Brother's
>body of work is very respectable.

Fugees & BlackStarr should have made multiple classics over the the years.. its a shame they didnt.. UGK aint my cup of tea (except some of the early stuff) but I can respect that as a top ten since they have a large fanbase.. Little Brother is EASILY the best new group this decade..


>Now I'm really starting to
>realize that groups are far and few these days. I believe if
>you took each of these groups best albums and gave it a fair
>look, you'd be surprised how close the grades would be. We're
>part of a very different era of Hip Hop though... the things
>we respect and look for in a good record, the kids don't see.
>It's a sales driven indusrty, and everybody wants to associate
>themselves with the industry leaders vs who's actually making
>great music.


good points.. things done changed

i guess lil boosie, soulja bot, and gucci mane matter to u becuz they're played on BET. wow, some of yall are idiots. honestly.

and stop being mad at BET, you wasn't mad 10+ years ago when
everything on BET was from NY, not to mention radio. Blame
PDiddy, not BET.

2ndly, they were playing 5 no limit/cash money per hour asswipe.

old mad ass nucca

it's the internet/info age you bitch. oh, i'm 30, not old. but i'll fuck your mother like i was 17 again.

Not likely and both Mays and Aaron haven't picked up a bat in almost 40 years. Yes, people might have surpassed their homerun totals, but they did it in eras of expansion and steroids. Both of them were game changers, as was Ruth and even though people might hit more homers than them, they will most likely never drop out of the top 10 as all-time players because of their sheer dominance.

Cy Young began pitching over 100 years ago and he has yet to be surpassed. It doesn't matter how long ago you entered, it matters what you did and the legacy you left. All of those groups that Chief-One mentioned left a legacy strong enough for people to talk about them 20 years later and for DJ's around the world to spin their music ahead of alot of joints that came out in the 20 years that their music has been out.

>everybody you named entered the game 20 years ago
>
>and honestly, will any of those groups EVER drop out of your
>top 10? I'm as old skool as the next guy, but let's be real.
>BTW, is Eric B. and Rakim REALLY a group?


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Elvis is and will always be the king, why?
Can no one else be the King Of Pop? or the Queen of Soul?
If Beyonce started calling herself the Queen of Soul how would you
feel?

I am at the point where I can admit those artist were great, but
it doesn't mean they can't be dethroned. Rakim was a lyrical dream, but does that mean Nas wasn't better? Lupe? Can anybody be lyrically better than Rakim and it be okay?

why? who knows

if anybody's mad it's you, bcuz 106 n Park ain't playing Busdrivers new joint

what grown nigguh over 18 watches 106&park. i have literally never seen an ep of that show.

nigguh u gay.

So while Mays and Aaron might have been better players than Ruth, who surpassed Mays and Aaron since they retired? Griffey Jr? Bonds? And that is debatable as Mays was really a step ahead of Griffey and Bonds in terms of speed and defense. But even if people say those two, so we had two players in ALL of MLB in the 35-40 years since Aaron / Mays retired that are on their level. Everyone else ... not even close. So yeah since Rakim came out there might be a FEW MC's that are on his level, but not many.


>Elvis is and will always be the king, why?
>Can no one else be the King Of Pop? or the Queen of Soul?
>If Beyonce started calling herself the Queen of Soul how would
>you
>feel?
>
>I am at the point where I can admit those artist were great,
>but
>it doesn't mean they can't be dethroned. Rakim was a lyrical
>dream, but does that mean Nas wasn't better? Lupe? Can anybody
>be lyrically better than Rakim and it be okay?


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...nah, if you have Kast in the top 10 I have no problem with it ...i did say 6/10 in the start of the post ...thats 4 open spots

but keep hope alive, um rooting for you.

..Outkast is dope and everything ...but they're no De La or Tribe

any group in Hip Hop past or present.

certain people acting like he said all good hip hop comes from ny. and lol at people acting as if artist don't "matter" cuz they aren't the radio today. what person that grew up listening to music really thinks the stuff on mtv,bet, commercial radio is good music?

i'm gonna start hating on philly cuz all those artist that put out classic music in the 70's ain't poppin on hot97. lol, this is why i hardly ever click on the lesson anymore.

For whatever reason, it was all about the solo artist.

Had Melachi handled the beats as well as the lyrics.

I don't know if I could even name 10 groups that have come out in the past decade......and not these one-off Producer/MC studio collabos but actual groups.