even if by cross over you mean a huge commercial "crossover" (which isn't what i meant), there was the mall punk of the '80s, which was punk *influenced*, as was new wave.


>internet has made the cultural isolation
>*needed* for something to grow like that impossible...

i think i agree. there are still communities that aren't really on the internet though, however dwindling a population they are. it's hard to say if they feel the need to create a new musical movement because even if they did i think a lot of the music that inspires them is digitally produced and thus out of reach for them to spin off of.