>the only problem w/
>>grime being hip-hop's answer to punk is that it never truly
>>crossed over to our side of the pond like punk rock did very
>>quickly after it began (well, you took from our rock music,
>>but i digress).
>punk started on our side of the pond, that Pistols type of
>stuff was really just the British answer to
>MC5/Stooges/Ramones.

that's basically what i was just saying. the ramones and the sex pistols came out around the same time, but i think the UK had a punk "scene" before we did, since we never called mc5 or the stooges "punk rock" until long after.


>no, the truth is that hip-hop itself
>>paralleled punk from the start. aesthetically speaking, it's
>>punk in its purest form.
>I'd be interest to see this thought fleshed out a little
>more.

i've thought about it before, so maybe in the future i'll post about it. it's an abstract comparison of the musical forms as far as how they're made, who they were made by and who for. also, if you look to the late '70s into the '80s NYC, a lot of the punks (and new wave and no wavers) and hip-hoppers knew each other and intermingled. the scenes weren't as segregated as some might assume (or want to believe, oddly). look who worked with afrika bambaataa: john "johnny rotten" lydon (time zone). blondie: fab 5 freddy ("rapture" video and the entire wild style film score). liquid liquid "cavern" and ESG "UFO" quickly becoming hip-hop staples. etc.