that had impact on larger culture. the PURE stuff was practiced down in sanctified churches out in the country south. it sounds more like slave work songs that anything else. most folks in america have never heard it.

the typical "gospel sound" that people like james cleveland and thomas dorsey popularized was a blending of sounds from the jump. i agree that that sound has been co-opted by america, but as a cat from the south that still hears sanctified music, my estimation is what america calls gospel is to 'real' gospel what mc hammer rap was to 'real' hip hop.

the only real HOLDOVER from that original gospel sound was the 'rough, passionate, earnestness' of the singing. the music itself is more blues and soul than that original church style.

on a certain level, there is a chicken/egg dynamic to this argument. one could argue that i've gone so far back into the history of black church music that the stuff i'm talking about isn't gospel. its pre-gospel, and therefore doesn't refute the initial point.(fair enough)

but honestly, i HEAR the church in beyonce's singing (especially on I'D RATHER BE WITH YOU) if she tones it down for commercial success, that doesn't refute her church upbringing. and if her music doesn't reflect the church teachings, that doesn't either. (jodeci is all from the chruch, but there lyrics hardly ever reflected the over teachings of the black church. same with al green and mary j. blige for various periods.)

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THE RED LIST*:
Big Mell
sometimes THEY know whats best for some of US. cause some of US aint
doing right compared to our counter parts (THEY = WHITE FOLKS)

janus
Is there any wonder why I hang out with mostly white or hispanic folks?
they arent as judgemental and dont have as many sexual hangups as black folk.

suave_bro
u know these muthafuckas are quick to run up on a black woman to ask her
to do some shit like this, because they know a black woman would be quick
to say yes to some shit like this...

Juxtarose (you know what i like about white guys?" they don't think having
a house, job and a car and no criminal record means they really have some
thing going on...)

* read up on IDA B. WELLS
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OKP SLANGTIONARY

PPP = POINTLESS POAST, POTNAH
NGGCOT = NOTHING GOOD CAN COME OF THIS
MANDATE = STOP HATING AND SHOW SOMEBODY THAT LOOKS BETTER


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** = all statements made about the physical traits of females are based
on Torez as a Single man not the CURRENT married Torez

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