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Topic subjectRE: in theory? Sure. In practice? Nah.
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142760, RE: in theory? Sure. In practice? Nah.
Posted by imcvspl, Wed Nov-10-10 11:42 AM
>and here's why.
>
>Jazz was built on Innovation and Improvisation.

What does this mean? I mean I know what it means but the innovation is unnecessary.

>Electronic
>Music, is pretty much built on the back of the shit that came
>before it,

Jazz was too though. It didn't just come out of the blue. And you are overstating this, particularly if you don't go back far enough in the history of electronic music. Simplest way to illustrate this is what came before the sine wave that it was on the back of?

> and with technological advances, the likes of which
>aren't really inherent to other genres of music.

So. I think you're taking the comparison too literally if you think it can be dismissed because of the technology used.

>Meaning, As Dope as *insert* is, he made a track with a lot of
>knob twisting and software.

And? What's the difference between a knob and a piano key if both are being played musically?

>Not that that doesn't mean he
>didn't invent anything. But the hours that John Coltrane and
>Miles spent rehearsing and exploring music to get that *sound*
>can be matched in hours, if not minutes using plug-ins, and
>other editing software.

This is not true. I mean you really can't parallel them. But rehearsing and practicing are an integral part of becoming a great electronic artists. Sure kids can stumble upon strokes of greatness but the regimented practice and work ethic is still required to sustain a level of quality.

>AND we have books and tutorials for all this shit.

Uhhh we just got schools teaching it. Miles and them all had schools to learn. In fact many of them were already a part of the public school system which is something electronic music is still working towards.

>Are
>Electronic artists innovative? Absolutely. Is there any
>imrovisation? To some degree, yes. But to declare it on a
>similar level to Jazz is overstating it.

But I'm not defining the next jazz as the next music based on improvisation. So this doesn't discount the notion.

>(I'm gonna go back and re read some of the replies in this
>post, maybe you guys already touched on this.)

Do that as I think what I'm arguing will be clearer.

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