however, i do have some cool live instrument band covers of electronic music, so on that one point we differ. is the music compositionally as complex as coltrane and the other jazz greats? definitely not, but i think imcvspl is trying to make a case for the production being an important element intertwining with the composition, which is somewhat of a controversial point as it mostly conflicts with music theory as we know it, yet in composition there are many ways to indicate, even just in sheet music, how something is to be played beyond just the notes and rests, so i understand the parallel. even considering the timbre or sound of the electronic music as an element of its composition, i still find very few musicians and producers within the huge umbrella genre to compete in complexity with the greats in jazz, let alone classical.