i say that, and of course made this post with you in mind, having previously heard you back peddle on it. though i think i've only heard you directly attribute it to idm, perhaps i missed you leaving it open ended as stated here. but it's always seemed that your reasoning falls back to popular acceptance and that's just not acceptable to me and my musings (pun intended).

>i changed my mind.

maybe we can change it back.

>i think the difference is that the most popular classical and
>jazz (until the smooth jazz era) was by really good composers
>and performers;

I challenged the performer notion in the reply above.

> not so in electronic music, not for a long
>time at least. even if you try bringing up the great talents
>of the genre in conversation with your so-called like-minded
>peers, nowadays you get either laughed at or ignored;

that's because they don't take music serious. they value it based on silly things like popularity. the muse has little use for popularity. i mean seriously, is tom clancey a definitive writer of our age or is ursela k. leguin. clancey had books made into movies which starred the biggest actors of our times. his name is known the world around. but in a thousand years if an archeologist dug up one of his books and one of leguins i think they'd be able to separate the wheat from the chaff within a chapter. this is muse speak. there is discussion for popularity, but amongst the classicals and jazz's of our times popularity really should be a non-factor.

>same for
>their current reputation with the most popular and trusted
>critics in the new media and dieing old media. what does that
>say? to me, if the most talented music isn't embraced even
>among people who like the genre, it's a disqualifier for the
>comparison to jazz and classical.

but again you're using popular and trusted as the measuring stick. who cares?

>that said, critics
>(including blogging wannabes) and the media can gate-keep and
>write these musicians out of recorded history for a while but
>not forever, not so long as i'm breathing.

i've been picking up my pen...

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