142678, RE: the 'masses' hated bop and deplored hard bop Posted by howisya, Wed Mar-03-10 03:06 PM
>>i'm talking more about the niche and beyond. maybe not to >the >>scope of millions of sales, but what is a niche when it >comes >>to classical and jazz when those were the prevailing genres >>for so long? > >subject line.
i was not talking about subgenres of jazz; as you framed the conversation around umbrella genres of classical (inclusive of nearly a millennium of music), jazz, and electronic, it's unfair to pick less popular movements within jazz to attempt to debunk what you know is a true general statement, that jazz was hugely popular and the main umbrella genre of choice for part of the 20th century.
>which is why >there was the mass european exodus of jazz musicians.
a further parallel working in favor of your argument
>and lets not delude ourselves into believing that jazz is >accepted in some open ended realm. you can play a records by >the biggest names in jazz to the 'masses' which would cause >them to turn of the stereo and proclaim it noise.
who and when?
>and yet >there's a genius to it that is a part of the overall genius >which the jazz umbrella.
i agree
>let's not wynotnize jazz into this beatuiful picture of music >that everyone can get into and appreciate.
not what i said
>playing the ken >burns 20 volume Jazz barely touches the surface.
yet it *is* jazz and represents music that was popular and made by talented musicians, whether to your taste or not
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