I have only played with fisticuffs a few times on black ops but he beasted, and we played a lot on mw2 and he always held his own. Lach I just recently been playing with. The first day we played he held our team down. I still was streaky and not the best yet. The other night we played and through out the whole night it was me and him trading places for the 1 and 2 spots. thelongstranger played with us a little too and did really well.