so i'ma just get money, teach my babies (when i get some) and let the lost stay lost
i mean, you can't waste time arguin' with an old mufucka about right and wrong, or what's acceptible behavior, and what's not
so i just let them fall to the wind, and i dissassociate myself from them
yeah, they black, so am i, so what?
they ain't of the same mindstate as i am, so they might as well not be what i am, you dig?
it's all about catchin' the young before they turn into some hardheaded unreachable nigger
and i mean that -er
they are savages
and i ain't on no self hate shit neither
and this ain't no nigga vs black people post neither, cuz some of them bourgie bastards are worser than them gym shoe thugs and whores that patrol the streets lookin' for a victim
maybe africans are right when they look at us as a people and see no hope and don't want to fuck with us

i mean, let's take black businesses...their prices are high? why? cuz niggas is always lookin' for the hook ups, and shortchangin' the hooker upper in return...sure, they bring people to you....lookin' for the hookup, so who does the black business pass that onto? the already financially burdened black consumer, and then we wonder why so and so ain't stay in business long on that prime spot on crenshaw...cuz the residents couldn't afford to support him givin' people the hook up in the long run

...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...©melle mel

  

The Israelites had Joshua. He and his men fought the giants there. Only after they defeated ALL of the giants did they go back and get the rest of the Israelites. And then TOGETHER (w/their culture/sense of identity intact) did they go into the promised land.

With us, we never finished off the "giants" here. We never sent another group to kill off the giants. We got impatient and started to go over. Some were able to win their one on one battles with the giants. Some were defeated. Some allowed themselves to be exploited by the giants. Some just flat out gave up.

Those who did win their battles, few are going back to get the rest of us. We need to regroup, the battle didn't end with the death of X and King.

Letting the lost stay lost is a bad thing.

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like you havent felt like this before. every black person that has voluntarily read a non fiction book outside of a public school setting has.

word...I manage to take myself out of this feeling..it takes time but I can...sometimes it seems you don't.......
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this is a stream of conscious post. to say you havent even THOUGHT or FELT the way this author has when it comes to black people is a flat out lie.

to FEEL a certain way isn't a sign of weakness..

>this is a stream of conscious post. to say you havent even
>THOUGHT or FELT the way this author has when it comes to black
>people is a flat out lie.
>
>to "FEEL" a certain way isn't a sign of weakness...

I agree with everything you've said here. I note that no matter how frustrating our people can be, we should never be the ones to condemn them. That can be seen as crossing the line. Having said that, I sympathise with him too and I understand exactly how he feels. We can only hope that Buildingblock recollects himself and finds something reaffirming and encouraging to go on again.


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You did say it indeed ! Funny how we can go toe to toe for 10 posts only to realise we were saying the exact same thing from the get go. It's commoplace to be overzealous here; I'm guilty of that several times myself !

On the flipside: If we were all civil and polite, the boards would be a snoozefest. Drama makes for heated debates......about nothing most of the time, but heated debates nonetheless.


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"I manage to take myself out of this feeling"

- you cant take yourself out of feelings, u can not get EMOTIONAL about it but u cant NOT help but feel this way when u are out and about black folks if u are halfway intelligent, and again, if u say you CAN disconnect yourself from these feelings, u are lying your ass off...

feel? wtf?!?!?!
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What has been promised?

We're all in this (world) together, no matter what. Will Smith recently talked about what he saw when he went to that village in Mozambique...and saw the names of Jay-Z and Tupac.

"When he asked the boys from the village why the names were there they replied, "your impossible." Not understanding what they meant it was explained to Smith that the kids view what these great black men and many others have done as impossible for them to ever do."

Nothing is promised. We have an opportunity to do "impossible" things for the time we are here and then it's over. That's it. You can spend a lot of time looking at a deficit or you can keep moving, leaving behind what doesn't work, keeps you down or stops you from reaching your goals. No matter what the path ends and someone else will pick up where you leave off. My former mentor told me this when I visited during college and she was right.

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

just life but some of us can. Im not saying to not dream big...jus remember that many are called but few are chosen or make the correct choices unfortunatly......
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But how can you save someone when you (not you the poster) are dealing with major issues that keep you from moving forward? How can you love others when you don't love yourself? It's not about giving up hope. You can only start from your corner...anyone can make a choice to do something positive and productive for themselves and their communities. Sometimes all it take is a caring person to point it out.

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

>Nothing is promised. We have an opportunity to do
>"impossible" things for the time we are here and then it's
>over. That's it. You can spend a lot of time looking at a
>deficit or you can keep moving, leaving behind what doesn't
>work, keeps you down or stops you from reaching your goals.
>No matter what the path ends and someone else will pick up
>where you leave off. My former mentor told me this when I
>visited during college and she was right.

Your mentor is very wise...I'm STILL learning this lesson...

Black entrepeneurs, like any other business
make adjustments to higher prices

due to "Hook-ups"
and any other theft.....

"Cooking the books..." ..CEO EMBEZZELMENTS.

Years ago in retail and the store was near a school and the majority of students were black.

3:15 p.m. every available staff hit the sales floor to WATCH the black students.
But. I came upon the little old white man (80issh) and his wife as he was STEALING a belt.

Shhiii..(alledgedly) there were so many Non-Black "Hook-ups" in a major way. Inside jobs !
AND
Drinking inside/outside the store.

If black folk told all their NEWS stories..about non-blacks
The Realll Reality show !

White Man: to young black clerk.

You all steal small
You steal mayonnaise
nd we still the big money.

I once posted that I did not purchase a burger from a black business, because the burger only was $5 plus and not far away at a chain fast-food, I could get more for the same price.

Although both are in a black neighborhood...not once, not once have I ever heard of the black business being robbed.

Verrry cleannnn...no hook-ups,
that one Hughe burger. Give me options.

I support black business. Helping others towards their perceived "Promise Land".

Matter of fact My.....

Electrician...Plummber....Carpenter...Outside Mechanic(other work)....
Supermarket (once..hopefully will return)...tailor....

ALL BLACK BUSINESS.

THE store owner of the Black Supermarket has
outside robberies/almost all day everyday...
but the best prices and now clean.

The prices Do Not increase if there are "hook-ups"
theft of any sort.

Matter of fact all races..creed..color..ethnicities...cultures come to shop when there is the BIGG sales. Right in the HEART OF THE GHETTO.

BEST part about him. PROFESSIONAL !
COMMUNITY ADVOCATE.

Yes, like anywhere, there is crime and more.

BUT, however many problems there are
Black People Are Moving Forward
and helping the less fortunate men..women..children.

NO one wants to live in Criminal infestation, hmpf, not even the criminals.

NEWS. Black folk was CNN before the cable ntework. Poor black folk.

Due to the word of mouth...news carriers
I helped a Black man save his Career.

Do not always under-estimate what's before you.

MORE BLACKS MOVE FORWARD THAN STALLED OR BACKWARDS. AGAINST WHATEVER ODDS.

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is this how you see sentences and word formulations in your mind? im curious.

>is this how you see sentences and word formulations in your
>mind? im curious.

OBVIOUSLY SO.

Anyone desiring to understand will do so.

You are quite articulate, but dam if you go by your account, so mis-understood.


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"...maybe africans are right when they look at us as a people and see no hope and don't want to fuck with us."

I disagree with you. Lots of Africans see a lot of hope when they look at y'all. If anything, lots of African intellectuals find their own people discouraging and they give up on them too just as y'all give up on your own. Tens of thousands of the most educated and intelligent of Africa are living elsewhere in the West and contributing immensely to societies either than their own, probably because their valuable contributions got unappreciated and rejected at home. 'But for each African that has given up on his people there are more that have developed a renewed hope for the future.

Centuries of oppression leave an indelible mark on the self-image and the psyche a nation/cultural group. People start accepting and even get addicted to hardship and squalor as inescapable facts of life. However, giving up on your people should not be an option...it is implicit you are giving up on yourself also. This is the same message being passed on to the G8. They carry the burden of the Third World, whether they think it is justified or not. The world cannot function like this (disparity between the poor and rich) and it can not be allowed to go on this way, hence the need for a Marshall Plan for the Third World especially Africa. Now take that analogue and use it for your people.

The fates of the haves and the have-nots, are inextricably tied together, hence the former can never enjoy their keep and live safely as islands of abundance surrounded by wild and restless tsunamis of desperate have-nots. It's just not going to happen; it doesn't matter if we think the have-nots have no one but themselves to blame for their condition or not.

So go back to your people; change and adapt your strategies; be humble even if you think you are better than them and continue your community activism. Remember that the cause is bigger than yourself. Some of the most noble activists in the history of humankind were not appreciated at the time; and some even got killed by the very same people they were helping. I'm not asking you to be a martyr; that's not for everyone; but realise that giving up on a mission says more about you than it does about the people you are trying to help.

>Centuries of oppression leave an indelible mark on the
>self-image and the psyche a nation/cultural group. People
>start accepting and even get addicted to hardship and squalor
>as inescapable facts of life. However, giving up on your
>people should not be an option...it is implicit you are giving
>up on yourself also.

This is a concept that seems to be lost on TOO many black folks, on these boards. Conversely, maybe folks who believe it acceptable to give up on the dredges of our community aren't especially fit to uplift them anyways... maybe the folks who will really affect change in our peoples course are the ones who realize they are essentially no different from the worst of their people.


>The fates of the haves and the have-nots, are inextricably
>tied together, hence the former can never enjoy their keep and
>live safely as islands of abundance surrounded by wild and
>restless tsunamis of desperate have-nots.

Preach!!!


>So go back to your people; change and adapt your strategies;
>be humble...

Too many of us have NO humility, we believe ourselves to be EXAMPLES of goodness, purity, and all that is RIGHT with our people. Too many of us think that because they made it, everyone who didn't is lazy and should pull themselves up by their bootstraps. It's foolishness, conceited foolishness. We are ultimately responsible for our kindred. Those of us who think otherwise will be dealt with according to seeds we failed to sow!
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>Those of us who
>think otherwise will be dealt with according to seeds we
>failed to sow!

Yep.

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

>>Centuries of oppression leave an indelible mark on the
>>self-image and the psyche a nation/cultural group. People
>>start accepting and even get addicted to hardship and
>squalor
>>as inescapable facts of life. However, giving up on your
>>people should not be an option...it is implicit you are
>giving
>>up on yourself also.
>
>This is a concept that seems to be lost on TOO many black
>folks, on these boards. Conversely, maybe folks who believe it
>acceptable to give up on the dredges of our community aren't
>especially fit to uplift them anyways... maybe the folks who
>will really affect change in our peoples course are the ones
>who realize they are essentially no different from the worst
>of their people.
>
>
>>The fates of the haves and the have-nots, are inextricably
>>tied together, hence the former can never enjoy their keep
>and
>>live safely as islands of abundance surrounded by wild and
>>restless tsunamis of desperate have-nots.
>
>Preach!!!
>
>
>>So go back to your people; change and adapt your strategies;
>>be humble...
>
>Too many of us have NO humility, we believe ourselves to be
>EXAMPLES of goodness, purity, and all that is RIGHT with our
>people. Too many of us think that because they made it,
>everyone who didn't is lazy and should pull themselves up by
>their bootstraps. It's foolishness, conceited foolishness. We
>are ultimately responsible for our kindred. Those of us who
>think otherwise will be dealt with according to seeds we
>failed to sow!
I agree but it so hard when no believe was you have to say..it seems everyone is jaded but then again this fucked up system at times can even kill kinte's spirit. Needless to say I will conclude with the words of the great and late Mr. Shakur.."Keep your head up, things will get easier"

wise words.



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yeah i'm here...http://www.myspace.com/omidele

>so i'ma just get money, teach my babies (when i get some) and
>let the lost stay lost

>i mean, you can't waste time arguin' with an old mufucka about
>right and wrong, or what's acceptible behavior, and what's
>not

>so i just let them fall to the wind, and i dissassociate
>myself from them

>yeah, they black, so am i, so what?

>they ain't of the same mindstate as i am, so they might as
>well not be what i am, you dig?

>it's all about catchin' the young before they turn into some
>hardheaded unreachable nigger

>and i mean that
>they are savages

You of all people should know and understand that the DUTY of of a civilized person is to TEACH THE UNCIVILIZED, who ARE SAVAGE - civilization (righteousness, the knowledge of himself, the science of everything in life - LOVE, PEACE and HAPPINESS.)

PEACE

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

old not necessarily meanin' in age, but of mindstate
you can't teach a old dog new tricks so the old adage go
black people, in a sense, are old
not all, but some
this wasn't an absolute post, nor was the reference to a promise land supposed to be taken literally

know your audience, i suppose

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>i mean, let's take black businesses...their prices are high?
>why? cuz niggas is always lookin' for the hook ups, and
>shortchangin' the hooker upper in return...sure, they bring
>people to you....lookin' for the hookup, so who does the black
>business pass that onto? the already financially burdened
>black consumer, and then we wonder why so and so ain't stay in
>business long on that prime spot on crenshaw...cuz the
>residents couldn't afford to support him givin' people the
>hook up in the long run

As much as I hate to admit it.

.gigs.
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.hobbies.
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.rants and raves.
www.hiphopheadz.blogspot.com
.myspace.
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Before you speak bretheren......

Look at HOW you are speaking!!!! You speak to other people as if they're gramatically incorrect..but look at yourself before you judge others!!!!

LOOK at HOW you are speaking!!!! You sound just as IGNORANT if not MORE than those who you speak of by the way you are responding to this topic!!!

Have you REALLY checked yourself??!!! WHEN you do...contact ME..THEN...YOU can speak on this topic on a much HIGHER and CORECTLY SPOKEN LEVEL... MINE!!

God bless you..and have a nice day.

Sincerely
Your brother from the land of the RISING SUN
Kurogunda ( Black Soldier )

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Great post.

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EXCUSE ME IF I SKIPPED IT IN THE POST BUT I HAVENT SEEN ANY REFERENCES TO THE BIBLE WHERE THAT WHOLE "PROMISED LAND" PHRASE IS FROM!!!! I KNOW ONE THING FOR SURE THIS DAMN PLACE (AMERIKKKA) IS GOING TO BE DESTROYED...YOU CAN STAY HERE IF YOU WANT TOO...AND THATS PROPHECY!!!!

Memorizing now-
MF DOOM- Special Herbs 1 - 9
Miles Davis- Sorcerer
J Dilla- Ruff Draft
Yesterday's Universe- Prepare 4 New Yesterday
Onra - CHINOISERIES
Without a parable YAHushua spake not. Matthew 13:34

to give a simplistic perspective. Its been my experience that we learn, grow and are most inspired in the most seemingly uninspiring of situations. Part of your personal development is inexrticably linked to your people and their fate. By helping and understanding them, you are also helped and gain understanding.

PGP's post; wish I could throw the whole thing in all my sig's, eish much cosigning there!
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