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MALACHI
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"LET'S ANALYZE SOME QUOTES, SHALL WE?"


  

          

I'm going to post some quotes about various social subjects by different "activists", politicians, and celebrities. The people that made these statements are all African-American, but they are by no means all monolithic. Hopefully we can spark some critical thinking and good conversation...

PEACE

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
ABILITY
Jun 24th 2005
1
There's a good reason for this...
Jun 24th 2005
24
RE: ABILITY
Jun 24th 2005
66
ABORTION
Jun 24th 2005
2
RE: ABORTION
Jun 24th 2005
10
so...
Jun 29th 2005
174
I think arguing abortion gets pointless to some extent...
Jun 24th 2005
27
RE: I think arguing abortion gets pointless to some extent...
Jun 24th 2005
37
The self responsibility argument is weak
Jun 24th 2005
67
      ?
Jun 24th 2005
78
      What did I say about sexual behaviors?
Jun 24th 2005
84
           cant get pregnant without 'sexual behaviors' friend...
Jun 24th 2005
105
      Man please
Jun 24th 2005
81
           Arguing narrowminded shortsightedness is not my thing n/m
Jun 24th 2005
86
           Who's being shortsighted?
Jun 24th 2005
93
                U dn't shut down my argument cuz you haven't grasped it!
Jun 24th 2005
112
           1,000,000% correct...
Jun 24th 2005
91
true indeed
Jun 24th 2005
43
Cosign
Jun 24th 2005
69
bullshit, abortion is birth control
Jun 24th 2005
74
      Where is the disagreement?
Jun 24th 2005
80
      oh okay
Jun 24th 2005
106
           You misread...
Jun 24th 2005
113
                okay which brings me back 2 my initial question
Jun 24th 2005
115
                     Yes n/m
Jun 24th 2005
117
                          huh?
Jun 24th 2005
119
                               Oh...
Jun 24th 2005
121
      Daaaaaaaaang...6 abortions?
Jun 24th 2005
83
      Thank You
Jun 24th 2005
90
      if he liked condoms there wouldn't be none either
Jun 26th 2005
150
RE: ABORTION
Jun 24th 2005
124
Who's judging? I am NOT God.
Jun 25th 2005
136
Dismiss it if you want...
Jun 26th 2005
145
      HEAR ME ON THIS
Jun 27th 2005
160
           RE: HEAR ME ON THIS
Jun 27th 2005
164
Women need to be considered
Jun 26th 2005
148
It's about the value society places on women
Jun 26th 2005
149
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
Jun 24th 2005
3
This is a very thin assessment of AA
Jun 24th 2005
31
RE: AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
Jun 24th 2005
RE: AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
Jun 25th 2005
138
RE: AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
Jun 24th 2005
71
Does it really matter HOW you get in? If you can STAY in and EXCEL
Jun 25th 2005
127
      EXCELLENT POINT.
Jun 25th 2005
132
      WOW!!!
Jun 25th 2005
134
AMERICA
Jun 24th 2005
4
Lol, i'm sure DuBois answered that.
Jun 24th 2005
32
Yes sir, I agree sir!
Jun 24th 2005
34
RE: AMERICA
Jun 24th 2005
73
CULTURE
Jun 24th 2005
5
Lol... bullspit
Jun 24th 2005
36
we're all beautiful
Jun 24th 2005
46
RE: CULTURE
Jun 24th 2005
75
DRUGS
Jun 24th 2005
6
War on drugs, guns, crime, etc....
Jun 24th 2005
38
that
Jun 24th 2005
45
RE: DRUGS
Jun 24th 2005
77
ECONOMIC POWER
Jun 24th 2005
7
RE: ECONOMIC POWER
Jun 24th 2005
8
Go'head DooDoo Brown n/m
Jun 24th 2005
39
RE: ECONOMIC POWER
Jun 24th 2005
79
EDUCATION
Jun 24th 2005
9
Uhm spike...
Jun 24th 2005
40
      RE: Uhm spike...
Jun 24th 2005
82
      Good read
Jun 24th 2005
88
      you're mis reading the quote
Jun 24th 2005
107
           I didn't misread...
Jun 24th 2005
114
HATRED
Jun 24th 2005
11
I wonder what his family members would say...
Jun 24th 2005
41
RE: HATRED
Jun 24th 2005
85
HISTORY
Jun 24th 2005
12
It also tells...
Jun 24th 2005
42
Stop trying to steal my thunder!
Jun 24th 2005
111
RE: HISTORY
Jun 24th 2005
87
JAIL / PRISON
Jun 24th 2005
13
It's part of the war...
Jun 24th 2005
44
or if they piss off the right people
Jun 24th 2005
58
RE: JAIL / PRISON
Jun 24th 2005
89
RE: JAIL / PRISON
Jun 25th 2005
139
The fact that the american prison system..
Jun 28th 2005
165
JEWS
Jun 24th 2005
14
RE: JEWS
Jun 24th 2005
15
This is true...
Jun 24th 2005
47
RE: JEWS
Jun 24th 2005
92
MANHOOD
Jun 24th 2005
16
RE: MANHOOD
Jun 24th 2005
49
Not to sound sexist, or downplay the role of our
Jun 24th 2005
51
      That's one of my problems with Judeo/Christianity
Jun 24th 2005
54
      What about the principles of ASAFO?
Jun 24th 2005
103
      This is what I'm saying...
Jun 24th 2005
116
      RE: This is what I'm saying...
Jun 26th 2005
153
           RE: This is what I'm saying...
Jun 26th 2005
155
      the focus on warriors is very eurocentric
Jun 26th 2005
152
      total co-sign
Jun 26th 2005
151
      RE: Not to sound sexist, or downplay the role of our
Jun 24th 2005
126
RE: MANHOOD
Jun 24th 2005
94
      RE: MANHOOD
Jun 25th 2005
140
MEDIA
Jun 24th 2005
17
No comment
Jun 24th 2005
50
RE: No comment
Jun 24th 2005
53
      LMAO!
Jun 24th 2005
55
           *Chris Rock voice*
Jun 24th 2005
76
RE: MEDIA
Jun 24th 2005
95
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO LABEL THIS ONE:
Jun 24th 2005
18
UNCLE TOMISM
Jun 24th 2005
20
He's a Black European American
Jun 24th 2005
52
      RE: He's a Black European American
Jun 25th 2005
141
THE NATION OF ISLAM
Jun 24th 2005
19
RE: THE NATION OF ISLAM
Jun 24th 2005
23
Not only that...
Jun 24th 2005
56
RE: THE NATION OF ISLAM
Jun 24th 2005
96
RACISM
Jun 24th 2005
21
Lynchin by any other name is still lynchin
Jun 24th 2005
57
You haven't heard of Ken Hamblin?
Jun 24th 2005
68
      Lol... Larry Elder -----> Mwalimu Baruti *Dead*
Jun 24th 2005
70
RE: RACISM
Jun 24th 2005
97
RELIGION
Jun 24th 2005
22
RE: RELIGION
Jun 24th 2005
26
What is that saying about Black Nationalism?
Jun 24th 2005
59
      The NOI only sees black and white
Jun 24th 2005
100
           RE: The NOI only sees black and white
Jun 24th 2005
125
                RE: The NOI only sees black and white
Jun 25th 2005
137
                     Can't be calling yourself Muslim...
Jun 25th 2005
143
                     RE: Can't be calling yourself Muslim...
Jun 26th 2005
146
                     point taken...
Jun 26th 2005
147
i take him
Jun 24th 2005
48
RE: i take him
Jun 24th 2005
98
didnt malcolm say that first though!?
Jun 24th 2005
120
WAR
Jun 24th 2005
25
Shiiiit....
Jun 24th 2005
60
RE: WAR
Jun 24th 2005
99
WHITE FOLKS
Jun 24th 2005
28
RE: WHITE FOLKS
Jun 24th 2005
35
I agree with Khalid Muhammad when he said....
Jun 24th 2005
61
RE: I agree with Khalid Muhammad when he said....
Jun 24th 2005
64
      Euros colonized Europe before they colonized the world....
Jun 24th 2005
72
           RE: Euros colonized Europe before they colonized the world....
Jun 24th 2005
110
                Exactly, they are reptilians for mars
Jun 24th 2005
122
RE: WHITE FOLKS
Jun 24th 2005
108
WOMANHOOD
Jun 24th 2005
29
Hmmm....
Jun 24th 2005
62
RE: WOMANHOOD
Jun 24th 2005
101
Walker must have her due!
Jun 25th 2005
128
WORK
Jun 24th 2005
30
Booker T. was wrong on this...
Jun 24th 2005
63
so
Jun 24th 2005
118
You're being childish
Jun 24th 2005
123
      score one for cognitive dissonance...again.
Jun 25th 2005
133
           Figure out what cognitive dissonance is....
Jun 25th 2005
135
                sure i do.
Jun 25th 2005
142
                     There's no dissonance...
Jun 26th 2005
154
                          ???
Jun 26th 2005
156
                               Straight shot
Jun 26th 2005
157
                               u should be a politician
Jun 26th 2005
158
                               see post #157 n/m
Jun 27th 2005
162
                               ALLOW ME BREAK IN RIGHT HERE:
Jun 27th 2005
161
                                    Lol....
Jun 27th 2005
163
                               You are a little off on this one...
Jun 27th 2005
159
I agree with Booker T. Washington on this point...
Jun 25th 2005
131
RE: WORK
Jun 24th 2005
102
YOUNG BLACK MEN
Jun 24th 2005
33
Yup....
Jun 24th 2005
65
RE: YOUNG BLACK MEN
Jun 24th 2005
104
statistical misconception
Jun 24th 2005
109
SELF-DEFENSE
Jun 25th 2005
129
I am BUGGING that nobody had anything to say about this one...
Jun 29th 2005
169
I agree with her wholeheartedly...
Jun 29th 2005
171
It's safe to say
Jun 29th 2005
170
      I think you are off on this one:
Jun 29th 2005
172
           lol, you're right
Jun 29th 2005
173
ECONOMIC POWER (another one)
Jun 25th 2005
130
BLACKNESS
Jun 25th 2005
144
^Ossie Davis speaks garabge^ Where was Ruby Dee??!!
Jun 28th 2005
166
      What are you talking about?
Jun 28th 2005
167
           There is no "new way" to be black.
Jun 28th 2005
168
RE: LET'S ANALYZE SOME QUOTES, SHALL WE?
Jun 09th 2007
175

MALACHI
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1. "ABILITY"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Most Whites, even when they credit a Negro with some intelligence, will still feel that all he can talk about is the race issue...Just notice how rarely you will hear Whites asking any Negroes what they think about the problem of world health or the space race to land men on the moon."

Malcolm X--1965

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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brokenchains79
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24. "There's a good reason for this..."
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The role of the Black intellectual was designed to socialize/civilize the masses of Blacks who are not "civilized"
When it comes to anything other than race relations their input isn't wanted because it falls outside of their job description. Even when tackling issues bigger than blackness it is still thrown into black studies because its coming from a black person. This can easily extend to most black folks working in the service sectors, teachers, social workers, politicians etc, their job is to keep the oppressed in check. Of course there are deviations but i think this obvious with just a cursory glance and even a historical more depth study.

*****
Gina is out of control
I'm out of control
the whole--damn--party
--is--out--of control!
(c) White Bob
*****

  

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66. "RE: ABILITY"
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Eldridge Cleaver commented on how black athletes and entertainers were considered to be leaders of the community. As if that is all we can comprehend.

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MALACHI
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2. "ABORTION"
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"Abortion opponents love little babies as long as they are in somebody else's uterus."

Joycelyn Elders--1993

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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Shakeet Lokh Em
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10. "RE: ABORTION"
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This is murder period. No one has the right to take life.

"I'm scientific, but my reflex gangsta"- Black Thought

  

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174. "so..."
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its humane to feed the cycle of poverty... explain

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27. "I think arguing abortion gets pointless to some extent..."
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I think it's more important to concentrate on the issues which makes abortion so prevalent. Beneath all that you have serious social decay which is more problematic than abortion.

*****
Gina is out of control
I'm out of control
the whole--damn--party
--is--out--of control!
(c) White Bob
*****

  

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Shakeet Lokh Em
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37. "RE: I think arguing abortion gets pointless to some extent..."
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That would require self-repsponsibility. Of which there is none.

"I'm scientific, but my reflex gangsta"- Black Thought

  

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brokenchains79
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67. "The self responsibility argument is weak"
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Everything has internal and external principles, they interact on each other, despite externals conditions we've endured and overcome alot DESPITE the circumstances.

*****
Gina is out of control
I'm out of control
the whole--damn--party
--is--out--of control!
(c) White Bob
*****

  

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78. "?"
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what do peoples "Conditions" have to do with their sexual behaviors?

  

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84. "What did I say about sexual behaviors?"
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and people sexual behaviors come from their personal feelings (morals values etc) and what they have been taught from a society that uses sex to market everything. This isnt an argument. Internal external motion is like some kind of scientific law or some shit.

*****
Gina is out of control
I'm out of control
the whole--damn--party
--is--out--of control!
(c) White Bob
*****

  

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105. "cant get pregnant without 'sexual behaviors' friend..."
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the question still stands

  

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81. "Man please"
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How long it take to put a condom on? Or wait! Here's a CRAZY idea! Why don't we WAIT until we're acutally ready for a child?! GASP!

If a woman is raped, that's one thing. Maybe put the child up for adoption. I mean that's a sticky situation all around. But outside of that, I don't want to hear anybody's whinin about Pro-Choice. Nobody put a gun to their head and made them have sex. It's something they wanted to do. They want the fun but not the responsibility. That's what's WRONG with America. All fun no work. If a woman ain't ready for a child, she should take the precautions to avoid so. Or just abstain altogether until she's ready for that possibility. No argument about circumstances, outwardly or inwardly, outweigh a person taking 2 seconds to stop and THINK about what they're doing. PERIOD.

"I'm scientific, but my reflex gangsta"- Black Thought

  

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86. "Arguing narrowminded shortsightedness is not my thing n/m"
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*****
Gina is out of control
I'm out of control
the whole--damn--party
--is--out--of control!
(c) White Bob
*****

  

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93. "Who's being shortsighted?"
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I shut your whole argument down is what happened. Women just don't pop up pregnant. There's no such thing as drive-by impregnations. Two people get together and DECIDE to do that. And they should take responsibility for what happens after that. Man you know what....black people are so freakin contradictory it's sickening. We will talk until we are blue in the face about protecting ourselves from STD's, but won't fight for the resulting life of that same irresponsible sexual behaivor. Unbelievable. Shortsighted? Naw brotha. Realisitc.

"I'm scientific, but my reflex gangsta"- Black Thought

  

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112. "U dn't shut down my argument cuz you haven't grasped it!"
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Which makes me wonder why you cosigned my initial statement. What you are arguing is specific behaviors where I am saying our whole social way of life needs repair. Check out the post I made with the Nkrumah quote this is a perfect case and point.

*****
Gina is out of control
I'm out of control
the whole--damn--party
--is--out--of control!
(c) White Bob
*****

  

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91. "1,000,000% correct..."
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"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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43. "true indeed"
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>I think it's more important to concentrate on the issues
>which makes abortion so prevalent. Beneath all that you have
>serious social decay which is more problematic than abortion.


not to mention that some of the most vehement voices on the subject are quick to get their daughters in the clinic if they "slip up".

basically it's one of those situations you're not going to see clear on unless you're faced with it.

  

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69. "Cosign"
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you summed it up perfectly

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74. "bullshit, abortion is birth control"
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people are leading reckless lifestyles. nothing leads to abortion other than folks not being able to control themselves.

I have a homeboy that was dating his girl for about 4 years and they had about 6 of them. why? because this nigga doesnt like to wear condoms. now, thats 6 less black people because he doesnt like condoms.

  

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80. "Where is the disagreement?"
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I said the behaviors that lead to abortion are more of a problem than abortion itself. I don't doubt some people do use it as a form of birth control, but I know others who have had abortions and still have not recovered psychologically from it.

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Gina is out of control
I'm out of control
the whole--damn--party
--is--out--of control!
(c) White Bob
*****

  

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106. "oh okay"
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because i could have sworn u said the personal responsibility argument was weak up above, and then argued that "external factors" that lead to abortions are what people should focus on.

  

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113. "You misread..."
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The personal responsibility argument is weak. I was not talking about abortion in that statement. If we look at culture specifically, it is formed by how people adjust and make a way of life based on their interaction with external factors. These things interact with "self responsibility," these two factors do not exist independently.

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Gina is out of control
I'm out of control
the whole--damn--party
--is--out--of control!
(c) White Bob
*****

  

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115. "okay which brings me back 2 my initial question"
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how have the external factors that have shaped our culture, shaped the way people (groups of INDIVIDUALS) conduct themselves in the privacy of their bedrooms (or wherever they conceive children)?

  

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117. "Yes n/m"
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*****
Gina is out of control
I'm out of control
the whole--damn--party
--is--out--of control!
(c) White Bob
*****

  

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119. "huh?"
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121. "Oh..."
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Morality, values, norms, mores etc which result in practices of individuals is a reflection of the society in they live, personal responsibility comes in to play when you choose to go go with or against the grain, but for the most part people are products of their environment.

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MALACHI
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83. "Daaaaaaaaang...6 abortions?"
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>I have a homeboy that was dating his girl for about 4 years
>and they had about 6 of them. why? because this nigga doesnt
>like to wear condoms. now, thats 6 less black people because
>he doesnt like condoms.

I don't even know if I could even still be "homeboys" with this cat...in the back of my mind I would be thinking "baby-killer...baby-killer...baby-killer..."

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Shakeet Lokh Em
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90. "Thank You"
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That is the point. Loss of life. When we recognize that we are killing someone and not just some random lump of flesh, we may get the point. That child has as much right to grow up and enjoy themselves as obviously their parents have been.

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150. "if he liked condoms there wouldn't be none either"
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>I have a homeboy that was dating his girl for about 4 years
>and they had about 6 of them. why? because this nigga doesnt
>like to wear condoms. now, thats 6 less black people because
>he doesnt like condoms.


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124. "RE: ABORTION"
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Fri Jun-24-05 10:08 PM by 14thLight

          

I find most of these posts on abortion especially troublesome. Primarily these Suave and Shakeet posts. Maybe I'm just jealous though. Maybe I wish I lived in a world of absolutes like you all seem to. I suppose I wish that things were simply black and white, right and wrong, period. But... well... I've never lived in such a place.

Murder for instance. Its never right to take a life huh, murder is morally wrong huh? Are slave rebellions wrong? Are insurrections wrong? And even if they are... do you view that as passionately as you view abortion as being wrong? Can't you all see there are places where exceptions are necessary, where case by case decisions are better than these foolish hard and fast rules. Do you cats honestly believe the world to be a place where one can have any intellect and deal in absolutes?

It seems to me that ya'll are some judgemental bastards. Its easy to talk greasy about what a woman should and shouldnt do because you will never ever be in that position. But what about this murder example... you could very well go to war and have to kill someone... but Im willign to bet you cats talking in these absolutes would begin making mad exceptions for your own actions.

Ya'll actually disgust me with this responsibility rhetoric ya'll are preaching and making it look like its all the women's responsibility. They didn't impregnate themselves folk. There is dual responsibility in terms of this. Say something about these dudes too if you gon be the judge. Say something about there role in thr wrongness too. Honestly, your posts actually read as if you get enjoyment for condemning women who have abortions. Lord I know I hope your lady never pops up pregnant on the mistake... or do those just not happen in your world?

I just wish ya'll would put me down to this world of absolutes... where there is Clear right and Clear wrong with no room for arguement... just enlighten me please.... this can't be life.
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Shakeet Lokh Em
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136. "Who's judging? I am NOT God."
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Sat Jun-25-05 02:40 PM by Shakeet Lokh Em

  

          

"Murder for instance. Its never right to take a life huh, murder is morally wrong huh? Are slave rebellions wrong? Are insurrections wrong? And even if they are... do you view that as passionately as you view abortion as being wrong?"

WHAT DOES A SLAVE REBELLION HAVE TO DO WITH ABORTION? The key word in that is slave, stupid. Forced labor. Who is forcing people to have sex? Yo you comin at this all wrong. You got your panties in a bunch, catchin feelins, bringing in irrelevant garbage. If you can sit on whatever high and mighty throne you obviously are, and deem an innocent child’s murder okay, than that’s something that YOU have to deal with. I can’t believe you would bring in anything about slaves. That’s disrespectful to them in so many ways. Yall cats are fighting so hard for the parents “rights”. And no one fights for the child. I hope you sleep well at night you ignorant bastid.


"It seems to me that ya'll are some judgemental bastards. Its easy to talk greasy about what a woman should and shouldnt do because you will never ever be in that position. But what about this murder example... you could very well go to war and have to kill someone... but Im willign to bet you cats talking in these absolutes would begin making mad exceptions for your own actions."

This whole paragraph is mindless ramble.


"Ya'll actually disgust me with this responsibility rhetoric ya'll are preaching and making it look like its all the women's responsibility. They didn't impregnate themselves folk. There is dual responsibility in terms of this. Say something about these dudes too if you gon be the judge. Say something about there role in thr wrongness too. Honestly, your posts actually read as if you get enjoyment for condemning women who have abortions. Lord I know I hope your lady never pops up pregnant on the mistake... or do those just not happen in your world?"

At this point homey, you just typin for the sake of arguin. If you read anything I posted, I said TWO people get together, and people just don’t pop up pregnant. You just skimmin over what you want to read to make yourself mad. You sweaty goat testicle.




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14thLight
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145. "Dismiss it if you want..."
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Sun Jun-26-05 01:39 AM by 14thLight

          

>"Murder for instance. Its never right to take a life huh,
>murder is morally wrong huh? Are slave rebellions wrong? Are
>insurrections wrong? And even if they are... do you view that
>as passionately as you view abortion as being wrong?"
>
>WHAT DOES A SLAVE REBELLION HAVE TO DO WITH ABORTION? The key
>word in that is slave, stupid. Forced labor. Who is forcing
>people to have sex? Yo you comin at this all wrong. You got
>your panties in a bunch, catchin feelins, bringing in
>irrelevant garbage. If you can sit on whatever high and mighty
>throne you obviously are, and deem an innocent child’s murder
>okay, than that’s something that YOU have to deal with. I
>can’t believe you would bring in anything about slaves. That’s
>disrespectful to them in so many ways. Yall cats are fighting
>so hard for the parents “rights”. And no one fights for the
>child. I hope you sleep well at night you ignorant bastid.

--The point of slave rebellions was not to equate them with abortion, but instead to address the fallacy that exists in these absolutes being espoused in the posts (i.e. abortion is wrong... period). I gave an example of an act typically deemed as wrong (murder) followeed by a situation where that act may have exceptional circumstances (slave rebellions), thus negating the absolute. This was the purpose of my entire post, to express that absolutes in most situations are flawed, especially situations that involve judgement of others.


>"It seems to me that ya'll are some judgemental bastards. Its
>easy to talk greasy about what a woman should and shouldnt do
>because you will never ever be in that position. But what
>about this murder example... you could very well go to war and
>have to kill someone... but Im willign to bet you cats talking
>in these absolutes would begin making mad exceptions for your
>own actions."
>
>This whole paragraph is mindless ramble.

--It's easy to dismiss it as mindless ramble. But notice you failed to address anything I said. Whether or not you feel its real coherent, be serious folk, you understand EXACTLY what I am saying. My point is that there are situations where these right and wrong absolutes can be challenged, especially when they hit home in a personal way.


>"Ya'll actually disgust me with this responsibility rhetoric
>ya'll are preaching and making it look like its all the
>women's responsibility. They didn't impregnate themselves
>folk. There is dual responsibility in terms of this. Say
>something about these dudes too if you gon be the judge. Say
>something about there role in thr wrongness too. Honestly,
>your posts actually read as if you get enjoyment for
>condemning women who have abortions. Lord I know I hope your
>lady never pops up pregnant on the mistake... or do those just
>not happen in your world?"
>
>At this point homey, you just typin for the sake of arguin. If
>you read anything I posted, I said TWO people get together,
>and people just don’t pop up pregnant. You just skimmin over
>what you want to read to make yourself mad. You sweaty goat
>testicle.

--In a previous post you wrote... "If a woman ain't ready for a child, she should take the precautions to avoid so. Or just abstain altogether until she's ready for that possibility. No argument about circumstances, outwardly or inwardly, outweigh a person taking 2 seconds to stop and THINK about what they're doing. PERIOD."

Even thoguh u prefaced this statement with talking about "them" and "their" responsibility. Your summation, the crux of your post, left responsibility on the woman cousin. I read what u said dog.... I wasn't shootin blanks... but your post READS as if you consider the woman primary and not a duality of primacy in terms of repsonsibility.... I think this is flawed.


--The sweaty goat testicle and all, I'll have to say that was creative. But again, internet insults kind of reek of cowardice... address my logic, sensibility, moral aptitude even, but sweaty goat testicle.... foolish name calling.... you wouldn't say that to me in the street dog. Disagree wit me... argue... discuss... but calm down with the extras.

More importantly, my whole point is about the judgement and the absolutes used to convey it. I don't care if you think abortion is wrong, Im just addressing your condemnation of it in such an absolute way. Maybe its "right" for someone else in a particulkar situation. I really have a hard time seeing how you can read your words and mine, compare the two, and suggest that 'I' am on a high and mighty throne. bruh, you talk about what is wrong for women to do and what is right, you did the condemning of folk.

Again, I assert that it is with flawed logic that one condemns abortion as absolutely wrong. Especially in light of the notion that there are "acceptable" instances of murder.
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Shakeet Lokh Em
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160. "HEAR ME ON THIS"
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>--The point of slave rebellions was not to equate them with
>abortion, but instead to address the fallacy that exists in
>these absolutes being espoused in the posts (i.e. abortion is
>wrong... period).

Everything I stated is my opinion. Just because I put a "Period" behind it doesn't make it law. It's to emphasize how strongly I FEEL about the subject. That's all.


>--It's easy to dismiss it as mindless ramble. But notice you
>failed to address anything I said. Whether or not you feel its
>real coherent, be serious folk, you understand EXACTLY what I
>am saying. My point is that there are situations where these
>right and wrong absolutes can be challenged, especially when
>they hit home in a personal way.

You still don't make sense, because nobody is talking about absolutes except you. I'm talking about the issue of abortion and that's it. All that philosophical jargon is unneccesary. So yes I'm not addressing anything you said, because you're not talking about the issue of abortion, which is the whole point of this post. Your whole thing is to call me judgemental, when all I said was people need to take personal responsibility. How is that judgemental? It's your type of thinking that pacifies society into passing the buck onto someone else. "It's not my fault, it's the system's."


>Even thoguh u prefaced this statement with talking about
>"them" and "their" responsibility. Your summation, the crux of
>your post, left responsibility on the woman cousin. I read
>what u said dog.... I wasn't shootin blanks... but your post
>READS as if you consider the woman primary and not a duality
>of primacy in terms of repsonsibility.... I think this is
>flawed.

DID YOU FAIL BIOLOGY???!!!! Do I have to break down the birds and bees to you???!!! This is exactly what I'm talkin about. You dissectin what you want for the sake of your agenda. Just stop man. My argument in it's ENTIRETY places responsibility on both people. BUT a WOMAN is the one who ultimately has the last word because SHE is the one who will be carrying that child. That's not to say that the man isn't as responsible, but who will carry that stigma as the one who had an abortion? NOT the man. Believe me, I ain't tryin to be insensitive, but the truth hurts. And the more we try to cater to people's feelings without being honest, nothing will ever get done.


>--The sweaty goat testicle and all, I'll have to say that was
>creative. But again, internet insults kind of reek of
>cowardice... address my logic, sensibility, moral aptitude
>even, but sweaty goat testicle.... foolish name calling....
>you wouldn't say that to me in the street dog. Disagree wit
>me... argue... discuss... but calm down with the extras.

Please spare me this garbage. Who jumped into this discussion OUT THE BLUE calling people judgemental bastards? YOU did. So don't get your panties in a bunch when somebody checks your ignorance. Take your own advice and watch your own mouth, because the same thing can be said about you. Whatever someone gives me, they gonna get it right back, in real life, or on an internet board. So spare all the tough talk cuz I'm laughin hysterically at your "realness".

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164. "RE: HEAR ME ON THIS"
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Mon Jun-27-05 12:11 PM by 14thLight

          

>Everything I stated is my opinion. Just because I put a
>"Period" behind it doesn't make it law. It's to emphasize how
>strongly I FEEL about the subject. That's all.

-- My whole poiint in ALL of this was, does your opinion HAVE to impede on other's choices? It's one thing to say "I" think something is wrong, but that statement takes on a different life when I say that "YOU" are wrong for doing it... that's when I stopped voicing my opinion and became judgemental. Obviously there are situations when judgement is necessary, I just don't think a matter liek this is one of them. It seems to me that folk can make their own decisions and live with the conseqeuences, whether or not I agree with them.


>You still don't make sense, because nobody is talking about
>absolutes except you. I'm talking about the issue of abortion
>and that's it. All that philosophical jargon is unneccesary.
>So yes I'm not addressing anything you said, because you're
>not talking about the issue of abortion, which is the whole
>point of this post. Your whole thing is to call me
>judgemental, when all I said was people need to take personal
>responsibility. How is that judgemental? It's your type of
>thinking that pacifies society into passing the buck onto
>someone else. "It's not my fault, it's the system's."

--But you are talking about absolutes when you state that abortion is "wrong" or even "right" for that matter. It seems like it is "wrong" or "right" to you, but maybe that statement isn't true in every situation for every person. I think there needs to be some acknowledgement that situations differ, and that decisions such as that may differ in the level of "rightness' or "wrongness" if you will, enter my statement about absolutes and being judgemental.


>DID YOU FAIL BIOLOGY???!!!! Do I have to break down the birds
>and bees to you???!!! This is exactly what I'm talkin about.
>You dissectin what you want for the sake of your agenda. Just
>stop man. My argument in it's ENTIRETY places responsibility
>on both people. BUT a WOMAN is the one who ultimately has the
>last word because SHE is the one who will be carrying that
>child. That's not to say that the man isn't as responsible,
>but who will carry that stigma as the one who had an abortion?
>NOT the man. Believe me, I ain't tryin to be insensitive, but
>the truth hurts. And the more we try to cater to people's
>feelings without being honest, nothing will ever get done.


-- We didn't have to take BIO at my high school. I just found a way to cheat in college. But on real talk, I understand that is what you MEANT, I am simply telling you how it READ, at leats how I percieved it. Your posts came across as being less interested in both folk's responsibility in making the child etc. and more focused on the woman's responsibility to man-up and keep the kid. Thats how it read to me folk, your right in that I can't say what you MEANT though.


>Please spare me this garbage. Who jumped into this discussion
>OUT THE BLUE calling people judgemental bastards? YOU did. So
>don't get your panties in a bunch when somebody checks your
>ignorance. Take your own advice and watch your own mouth,
>because the same thing can be said about you. Whatever someone
>gives me, they gonna get it right back, in real life, or on an
>internet board. So spare all the tough talk cuz I'm laughin
>hysterically at your "realness".

--Indeed, realness isn't especially my forte. But, my statement about being a judgemental bastard was DIRECTLY addressed at the judgement that was being conveyed in your posts. It wasn't an insult as much as a statement. Hey I suppose you can say the same for the sweaty goat testicle and all, but, somehow I think that was a simple insult... but tis a moot point. As far as tough talk, not at all folk. I aint tough, just expressing my point of view.


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148. "Women need to be considered"
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...in men's posts about abortion. Why? Because women have to make a choice about what happens to their body as well as their lives. Sometimes its the ultimate sacrifice when a woman has to put her life on the line to have a baby. To ignore this is to ignore reality.

Some people murder every day. They murder in times of "war" or they murder inadvertently (vehicular homicide) but in some religions even the smashing of a insect is murder. The argument is that we place humans over other living things and sometimes we place one group of humans lives over others. Murdering innocent children in Afghanistan or Iraq or Somalia is part of "war". What about these babies?

>Can't you
>all see there are places where exceptions are necessary, where
>case by case decisions are better than these foolish hard and
>fast rules. Do you cats honestly believe the world to be a
>place where one can have any intellect and deal in absolutes?

Don't expect folks to address these questions without spouting rhetoric.

>It seems to me that ya'll are some judgemental bastards. Its
>easy to talk greasy about what a woman should and shouldnt do
>because you will never ever be in that position.

True.

>Ya'll actually disgust me with this responsibility rhetoric
>ya'll are preaching and making it look like its all the
>women's responsibility. They didn't impregnate themselves
>folk. There is dual responsibility in terms of this.

Yep.

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149. "It's about the value society places on women"
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...as well as empowered men determining the course of other people's lives. I've never had an abortion (I've never chosen to be pregnant) but I've been in circles where young women have admitted to having an abortion, sometimes against their own wishes. We (women) sometimes don't know that we choose to be pregnant or not. We put too much responsibility and blame on men who "don't want to wear a condom" or "want to have sex" even when we don't.

>"Abortion opponents love little babies as long as they are in
>somebody else's uterus."

Yes and that somebody is usually less valued than the people making the determinations or judgements. Some of these opponents have no consideration at all for babies killed during "war", esp. if they are in the way or in the wrong place at the wrong time. The violence that kills babies (after they are born) is something that mostly men have a choice to engage in (or not).


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MALACHI
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3. "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION"
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"Practically, Affirmative Action is probably necessary. But I would not want to know that I received a job simply because I am Black. Affirmative Action tends to undermine the spirit of individual initiative."

Arthur Ashe--1992

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31. "This is a very thin assessment of AA"
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Affirmative action is perfectly ok as long as Black folks arent benefiting, this comes from the psychological implants from whites that Black people are taking their opportunities. If we really look at AA and state plainly what it is, we find that most of the people who hold the positions they hold got it from privilege, George Bush is president based on Affirmative Action.

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"RE: AFFIRMATIVE ACTION"


  

          

I have a problem when affirmative Action doesn't do what it's supposed to do. It's not benefitting blacks people. If it ever did white people would really raise hell.

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138. "RE: AFFIRMATIVE ACTION"
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I would say that Affirmative Action isn't benefitting Blacks. Just not the ones who really need it. It's the poor Blacks who aren't getting the benefits. And, that is what makes Affirmative Action messed up. What we need to do is reform it.

  

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71. "RE: AFFIRMATIVE ACTION"
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I have a problem when affirmative Action doesn't do what it's supposed to do. It's not benefitting blacks people. If it ever did white people would really raise hell.

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127. "Does it really matter HOW you get in? If you can STAY in and EXCEL"
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that should be the real concern. AA is just a way to get us in, privileged folks have their ways of getting in. AA shouldn't be used to keep us in, though.

  

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132. "EXCELLENT POINT."
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"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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134. "WOW!!!"
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ive been saying this forever. affirmative action is like a college admission - once u are in u have to earn your way up out that mofoe. affirmative action isn't a rest assured 4.0 and a degree!!

  

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4. "AMERICA"
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"Would America have been America without her Negro people?"

W.E.B. DuBois--1903

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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32. "Lol, i'm sure DuBois answered that."
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But that seems pretty much like a rhetorical question.

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34. "Yes sir, I agree sir!"
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"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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73. "RE: AMERICA"
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A third world country

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5. "CULTURE"
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"It isn't a matter of Black is beautiful as much as it is White is not ALL that's beautiful."

Bill Cosby--1969

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36. "Lol... bullspit"
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Black is beautiful no matter what we think whiteness is. That statement ignores the denigration of things percieved as Black. I think that was more of a political statement so "they" could say, this is a nigrah we can play ball with.

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46. "we're all beautiful"
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when we wanna be. *shrug*


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75. "RE: CULTURE"
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Why does he have to compare it to whiteness. Black is always beauiful. From the lightest to the darkest. We must say it because we have been conditioned to hate our blackness no matter the shade. Even by our own people.

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6. "DRUGS"
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"The war on drugs has become a war on the minority community."

Rev. Leonard B. Jackson--1994

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38. "War on drugs, guns, crime, etc...."
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Means that we are only turning up the heat on the already existing war on Black people. What the hell is a minority community? Can't be a minority in your own community.

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45. "that"
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and it's costly and pointless.


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77. "RE: DRUGS"
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It's a war to make prison money.
The only reason crugs are illegal is because we don't make the good shit. (c) Chris Rock

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7. "ECONOMIC POWER"
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"Black men and women need to create their own economic base. Without economic power there is NO political power."

Luther "Luke from 2 Live Crew" Campbell--1992

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8. "RE: ECONOMIC POWER"
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>"Black men and women need to create their own economic base.
>Without economic power there is NO political power."

>Luther "Luke from 2 Live Crew" Campbell--1992

But at what cost?

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39. "Go'head DooDoo Brown n/m"
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79. "RE: ECONOMIC POWER"
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Yeah, having women shake their asses on stage will build wealth in the community.

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9. "EDUCATION"
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"We've got to turn this backward thinking around where ignorance is champion over intelligence. Young Black kids being ridiculed by their peers for for getting A's and speaking proper English...that's criminal."

Spike Lee--1992

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40. "Uhm spike..."
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I agree for the most part, but I have a problem with proper English part, i think Black people in general shouldn't criticize the way we speak Black english. I'd have more of a problem with the content and context.

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82. "RE: Uhm spike..."
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If Black English Isn't a Language, then Tell Me What It Is.
By James Baldwin (1979)


The argument concerning the use, or the status, or the reality, of Black English is rooted in American history and has absolutely nothing to do with the question the argument supposes itself to be posing. The argument has nothing to do with language, itself, but with the role of language. Language, incontestably, reveals the speaker. Language also, far more dubiously, is meant to define the other --and in this case, the other is refusing to be defined by a language that has never been able to recognize him.
People evolve a language in order to be able to describe and thus control their circumstances, or in order not to be submerged by a reality that cannot articulate. (And, if they cannot articulate it, they are submerged.) A Frenchman living in Paris speaks a subtly and crucially different language from that of the man living in Marseilles; neither sounds very much like a man living in Quebec; and they would all have great difficulty apprehending what the man from Guadeloupe, or Manique, is saying, to saying nothing of the man from Senegal --although the "common" language in all these areas is French. But each has paid, and is paying, a different price for this "common" language, in which, as it turns out, they are not saying, and cannot be saying, the same things: They each have very different realities to articulate, or control.

What joins all languages, and all men, is the necessity to confront life, in order, not inconceivably, to outwit death: the price for this is the acceptance, and achievement, of one's temporal identity. So that, for example, though it is not taught in the schools (and this has the potential of becoming a political issue) the south of France still clings to its ancient and musical Provencal, which resists being described as a "dialect". And much of the tension in the Basque countries, and in Wales, is due to the Basque and Welsh determination not to allow their languages to be destroyed. This determination also feeds the flames in Ireland, for among the many indignities the Irish have been forced to undergo at English hands is the English contempt for their language.

It goes without saying, then, that language is also a political instrument, means, and proof of power. It is the most vivid and crucial key to identity: It reveals the private identity, and connects one with, or divorces one from, the larger, public, or communal identity. There have been, and are, times and places, where to speak a certain language could be dangerous, even fatal. Or, one may speak the same language, but in such a way that one's antecedents are revealed, or (one hopes) hidden. This is true in France, and absolutely true in England: The range (and reign) of accents on that damp little island make England coherent for the English and totally incomprehensible for everyone else. To open your mouth in England is (if I may use black English) to "put your business in the street": You have confessed your parents, your youth, your school, your parents, your self-esteem, and, alas, your future.

Now, I do not know what white Americans would sound like if there had never been any black people in the United States, but they would not sound the way they sound. Jazz, for example, is a very specific sexual term, as in jazz me, baby, but white people purified it into the Jazz Age. Sock it to me, which means, roughly, the same thing, has been adopted by Nathaniel Hawthorne's descendants with no qualms or hesitations at all, along with let it all hang out and right on! Beat to his socks, which was once the black's most total and despairing image of poverty, was transformed into a thing called the Beat Generation, which phenomenon was largely composed of uptight, middle-class white people, imitating poverty, trying to get down, to get with it, doing their thing, doing their despairing best to be funky, which we, the blacks never dreamed of doing --we were funky, baby, like funk was going out of style.

Now, no one can eat his cake, and have it, too, and it is late in the day to attempt to penalize black people for having created a language that permits the nation its only glimpse of reality, a language without which the nation would be even more whipped than it is.

I say that this present skirmish is rooted in American history, and it is. Black English is the creation of the black diaspora. Blacks came to the United States chained to each other, but from different tribes. Neither could speak the other's language. If two black people, at that bitter hour of the world's history, had been able to speak to each other, the institution of chattel slavery could never have lasted as long as it did. Subsequently, the slave was given, under the eye, and the gun, of his master, Congo Square, and the Bible --or, in other words, and under these conditions, the slave began the formation of the black church, and it is within this unprecedented tabernacle that black English began to be formed. This was not, merely, as in the European example, the adoption of a foreign tongue, but an alchemy that transformed ancient elements into a new language: A language comes into existence by means of brutal necessity, and the rules of the language are dictated by what the language must convey.

There was a moment, in time, and in this place, when my brother, or my mother, or my father, or my sister, had to convey to me, for example, the danger in which I was standing from the white man standing just behind me, and to convey this with a speed, and in a language, that the white man could not possibly understand, and that, indeed, he cannot understand, until today. He cannot afford to understand it. This understanding would reveal to him too much about himself, and smash that mirror before which he has been frozen for so long.

Now, if this passion, this skill, this (to quote Toni Morrison) "sheer intelligence," this incredible music, the mighty achievement of having brought a people utterly unknown to, or despised by "history" --to have brought this people to their present, troubled, troubling, and unassailable and unanswerable place --if this absolutely unprecedented journey does not indicate that black English is a language, then I am curious to know what definition of language is to be trusted.

A people at the center of the Western world, and in the midst of so hostile a population, has not endured and transcended by means of what is patronizingly called a "dialect". We, the blacks, are in trouble, certainly, but we are not doomed, and we are not inarticulate because we are not compelled to defend a morality that we know to be a lie.

The brutal truth is that the bulk of the white people in America never had any interest in educating black people, except as this could serve white purposes. It is not the black child's language that is in question, it is not his language that is despised: It is his experience. A child cannot be taught by anyone who despises him, and a child cannot afford to be fooled. A child cannot be taught by anyone whose demand, essentially, is that the child repudiate his experience, and all that gives him sustenance, and enter a limbo in which he will no longer be black, and in which he knows that he can never become white. Black people have lost too many black children that way.

And, after all, finally, in a country with standards so untrustworthy, a country that makes heroes of so many criminal mediocrities, a country unable to face why so many of the non-white are in prison, or on the needle, or standing, futureless, in the streets --it may very well be that both the child, and his elder, have concluded that they have nothing whatever to learn from the people of a country that has managed to learn so little.

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88. "Good read"
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107. "you're mis reading the quote"
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>I agree for the most part, but I have a problem with proper
>English part, i think Black people in general shouldn't
>criticize the way we speak Black english.

He's not saying Blacks shouldn't speak Black English he's saying Blacks that don't speak Black english shouldn't be rediculed because of it

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114. "I didn't misread..."
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I'm saying its more problematic that we look down on the way we talk, which is part of the bigger issue of things considered "black" lacking legitimacy. The person who speaks "proper english" gets positive reinforcement from the very structure that oppresses those who don't speak "proper" english. An autonomous people marks what is legitimate.

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11. "HATRED"
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"You shouldn't hate White people. You shouldn't hate anyone. That's no way to live"

Medgar Evers--1963

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41. "I wonder what his family members would say..."
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about that statement after he was murdered. To feel hate is natural giving the what we've been through, we should be more concerned with a healing process and how we can channel our agony into something productive.

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85. "RE: HATRED"
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Hate and love are the same thing. The opposite of those emotions is indifference. (c) Huey Newton

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12. "HISTORY"
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"History is a clock that people use to tell the cultural and political time of day. It is also a compass that people use to find themselves on the map of human geography."

Dr. John Henrik Clarke--1994

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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42. "It also tells..."
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them where they have been, where they are at, and where they still must go" John Henrik Clarke
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111. "Stop trying to steal my thunder!"
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LOL

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87. "RE: HISTORY"
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Statement is 100% correct

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13. "JAIL / PRISON"
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If every state had to pay workers toi do the jobs prisoners are forced to do, the salaries would amount to billions. License plates alone would amount to millions...Prisons are a profitable business...In every state, more and more prisons are being built and even more are on the drawing board. Who are they for? They certainly aren't planning to put White people in them."

Assata Shakur--1987

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44. "It's part of the war..."
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but they'll definitely put white folks in them too if they act up.

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58. "or if they piss off the right people"
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white folks just get more chances.

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89. "RE: JAIL / PRISON"
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Jails are the new plantations.

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139. "RE: JAIL / PRISON"
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I think that is the truest thing I have read all day.

  

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165. "The fact that the american prison system.."
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is trying to promote this system to other countries make this real rap.

  

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14. "JEWS"
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"No one has ever heard the Jews publicly chant a slogan of Jewish power, but they have power. Through group identity, determination, and creative endeavor, they have gained it...This is exactly what we must do."

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.--1968

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15. "RE: JEWS"
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..I don't wanna say anything about that in case I get accused of Anti-Semitism.

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47. "This is true..."
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However there is nothing wrong with chanting a slogan as long as it is substance behind it. African Americans and Jews are very different culturally so I wouldn't expect them to show the same aesthetics as us.
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92. "RE: JEWS"
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Nothing wrong with saying Black Power. But I agree with the sentiment. It reminds me of asign my barber has in his shop. "You may be my friend, BUT THIS IS MY BUSINESS."

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16. "MANHOOD"
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"Black men, you were once great; you shall be great again. Lose not courage, lose not faith, go forward. The thing to do is to get organized; keep seperated and you will be exploited, you will be robbed. You will be killed. Get organized, and you will compel the world to respect you."

Marcus Mosiah Garvey--1923

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49. "RE: MANHOOD"
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I would say Black people.

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51. "Not to sound sexist, or downplay the role of our"
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women, but don't you think that that Black MEN both individually and collectively need to take the lead? I mean, who should be the "head" of the household?

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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54. "That's one of my problems with Judeo/Christianity"
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The head of the house stuff is historically incorrect when it comes to Africa. However i do believe in certain gender roles but i don't think they imply any inferiority if a man has a particular role and a woman has another. Diop and contemporaries have proven that matriarchal ideology is the foundation of culture and with the encroachment of imperialism on African people it adopted more patriarchal ideology to the dimunition of women. This is my opinion but I don't think partners lead each other, they perform equal roles. Lead just sounds hierarchal.

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103. "What about the principles of ASAFO?"
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You KNOW Baruti is coming from an Afrikan-centered perspective...

Asafo

"Asafo is an in-depth Afrikan centered discussion of the requirements of Afrikan manhood. In it, the author clearly lays out our sources of power and the tools that must be acquired, mastered and used if we are to reclaim our correct role as warrior scholars in the battle to provide safe, sacred and empowering spaces for our families and communities. It gives specific consciousness raising guidelines for our nationbuilding effort, weeding out those compromising ideas and forces which have kept us confused over whether we want to be powerful or just influential in this world. This book is a very important tool in Afrikan men’s efforts to help ReAfrikanize our people. As the table of contents indicate, there is a strong emphasis on building functional educational institutions, developing a dynamic sense of group-consciousness through elevating one’s self-consciousness, male rites of passage programs and a warrior’s mental preparation. In addition, we are taken through the difficult process of growing from being merely other-directed, apathetic individual consumers to powerful, mission-directed men in thought, word and deed. Asafo closes with an extensive collection of revolutionary quotes that specifically work to define, direct and heal every Afrikan man’s warrior scholar spirit."

This is in no way diminishing the role of women, or the partnership of men and women...I don't really see a conflict between Baruti's admonition and Diop's research. Even in societies where the matriarch plays a major role, men are still the WARRIORS, PROTECTORS, and PROVIDERS...and Baruti wasn't dealing with this from no Judeo-Christianity either...

PEACE



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116. "This is what I'm saying..."
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Traditionally men and women both have roles, the family unit was centered around the woman and her kids, most of the fathers type duties might have depended on the mother's brothers and sisters because clan lineage was traced through the woman. The matricentric unit (the most basic unit of African life) is responsible for so much of what the society is built on, the men could not be men without the matricentric unit because they depend on it for so much of everything of sustenance. The men did comprise most of the warrior caste, the hunting, but they shared agricultural responsibilities with women which in some areas was most of the food. Women usually built there own houses because the houses belonged to the woman, not the man. Now White anthropologist like Levi Strauss couldn't understand what the hell was going on with that because all he knew was the eurocentric patriarchal man is the head of the household and the woman and kids was subservient to him.

In fact Anthropologist called the African family structure more primitive and less evolved based on the woman's central role and the fact that they had power. That goes directly against Judaic thought.

most of the collectivist, moral philosophy, and spiritual principles stem from the matricentric unit.

So when it comes to the roles of man and woman, men tend to be more on the periphery, but they did command most of the judicial, war like stuff, and made up councils etc, but they also tended to be oppressive which is why the structure of the family guaranteed women had power. The only problem I have with Baruti if he is saying that the male's role is more important and makes him the head. The male protecting culture is no more important than woman rooting the culture.

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153. "RE: This is what I'm saying..."
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...but to focus on the situation for a second, it should be noted societies values are insidious and infect almost every culture...the patriarchal system is that of the ruling classes in this country, culturally woman have usually played a strong role. whilst still being exploited and abused..feminism is a class issue, or so I've been told.

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155. "RE: This is what I'm saying..."
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Feminist usually come from the middle class or higher but patriarchy runs through society from top to bottom. And those feminist aren't trying to deconstruct patriarchy but get their piece of it. A case of the oppressed wanting what the oppressor has.

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152. "the focus on warriors is very eurocentric"
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or better yet it's "positive" revisionism based on their perspective.


And the provider role of men isn't exactly true either

i agree with everything BrokenChains said

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151. "total co-sign"
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126. "RE: Not to sound sexist, or downplay the role of our"
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I hate to tell you player, but that is a sexist statement, whether it soudns as such or not. Suggestign that a man's role is of dominant importance to a woman's role is sexist, period.
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94. "RE: MANHOOD"
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>"Black men, you were once great; you shall be great again.
>Lose not courage, lose not faith, go forward. The thing to do
>is to get organized; keep seperated and you will be exploited,
>you will be robbed. You will be killed. Get organized, and
>you will compel the world to respect you."
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I don't understand this. I don't see how it applies to manhood. This sounds like something men and women should adhere to.

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140. "RE: MANHOOD"
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The problem is in today's context it isn't.

  

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17. "MEDIA"
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"Many interviewers, when they come to talk to me, think they're being progressive by not mentioning in their stories any longer that I'm Black. I tell them, 'Don't stop now. If I SHOT SOMEBODY you'd mention it.'"

Colin Powell--1991

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50. "No comment"
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53. "RE: No comment"
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LOL!!! You 100% agree with the statement, but you can't make yourself co-sign Colin Powell!!!

ROFL!!!

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55. "LMAO!"
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76. "*Chris Rock voice*"
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Ya KNOW I'm right!!!

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95. "RE: MEDIA"
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Oh, he speaks so well.

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18. "I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO LABEL THIS ONE:"
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"I think that this confirmation hearing today is a travesty...The Supreme Court is not worth it...And from my standpoint as a Black American, it is a high-tech lynching for uppity Blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves."

Clarence "I can scream racism, but racism doesn't affect anybody else" Thomas--1992

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20. "UNCLE TOMISM"
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52. "He's a Black European American"
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we not claiming him lol
white folks yall can not claim Tim Westwood or somebody

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141. "RE: He's a Black European American"
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Didn't we get rid of him in the Racial Draft?

  

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19. "THE NATION OF ISLAM"
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"Elijah Muhammad has been able to do what generations of welfare workers and committees and resolutions and reports and housing projects and playgrounds have failed to do: to heal and redeem drunkards and junkies, to convert people who have come out of prison and to keep them out, to make men chaste and women virtuous, and to invest both the male and the female with a poise and a serenity that hang about them like an unfailing light."

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23. "RE: THE NATION OF ISLAM"
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I'm wary of Elijah Muhammad's legacy. Why would his greatest pupil leave the Nation of Islam? And to this day no one knows who was behind Malcolm X's assassination.

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56. "Not only that..."
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The NOI is the most organized black group in America and the reason it has been opposed so much is in part of the role it could play in transforming our situation, the other part is probably due to believe crookedness and narrow ideology.

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96. "RE: THE NATION OF ISLAM"
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I respect the nation, but i could never ever join them.

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21. "RACISM"
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"They don't lynch darkies in America anymore."

Ken Hamblin--1994

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57. "Lynchin by any other name is still lynchin"
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and who the hell is he?

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68. "You haven't heard of Ken Hamblin?"
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The Black "Conservative" Radio host? He calls himself the "Black Avenger"...and he makes Larry Elder look like Mwalimu Baruti...

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70. "Lol... Larry Elder -----> Mwalimu Baruti *Dead*"
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97. "RE: RACISM"
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No. They just drag us from the back of cars.

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22. "RELIGION"
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"My ministry is not a ministry of hate. It is a ministry of love. We are teaching our people to love themselves. We're tired of laying at the feet of White people begging them to do for us what we can do for ourselves."

Min. Louis Farrakhan--1994

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26. "RE: RELIGION"
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That whole statement is loveless. He didn't need to mention anything about white people to make the point of teaching each other to love. Period. They have nothing to do with it. It's just black nationalism being packaged as love.

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59. "What is that saying about Black Nationalism?"
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100. "The NOI only sees black and white"
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My uncle was a Muslim man, and being around him man was an experience to say the least. To keep this short, he would always get on me if I rooted for a basketball team he thought to be "white". "Why you cheerin for them White boys Ralphie?" Had me feelin terrible. Like I was a traitor or somethin. It's nothin wrong with lovin my brothers of my race. But to love all people is the mark of true love.

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125. "RE: The NOI only sees black and white"
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Thats a broad statement to make based on interactions with your uncle cuz. You should be a easy with generalizations as such based on ONE dude you know.
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137. "RE: The NOI only sees black and white"
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I am basing that on ALL the muslims I've come across that belong to the NOI. I've been in the mosques, heard their conversations, and see their actions around white people. I used my uncle as an example of that. I'm sorry if I didn't make this clear in the beginning. But my argument still stands. It's a black and white world to them.

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143. "Can't be calling yourself Muslim..."
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...if you look down on something as irrelevant as someones skin color.

  

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146. "RE: Can't be calling yourself Muslim..."
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>...if you look down on something as irrelevant as someones
>skin color.

I would hope so my friend. In religion, you have people who practice the true ideals of their faith which are generally, peace, and awareness of The Creator. Then you have wack jobs who take it to the extremist level. Whether that be racial discrimination, having chaplains in the military blessing weapons, or terrorist blowing up everything under the sun. Where is the love?! (c)Black Eyed Peas

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147. "point taken..."
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I disagree, but I understand you are using more than one dude as an example. I know that NOI doctrine used to (Pre-Farrakhan) explicitly state pretty "black and white" ideology. I wonder if it is still the same though. I think that would be a stronger barometer to go on in terms of conceptualizing the NOI's "position".
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48. "i take him"
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with a grain of salt. but i agree with what he's saying there.

the noi made black ppl feel like somebody.

i could write a book about the subtleties in that and blah blah, but suffice it to say that the noi--like the nge and others--have been an important stepping stone/turning point in many, many lives where others have failed.

that needs to be acknowledged & respected.

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98. "RE: i take him"
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I agree with this

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120. "didnt malcolm say that first though!?"
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25. "WAR"
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"We will not fight and kill other people of color in the world..."

Black Panther Party Platform--1966

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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60. "Shiiiit...."
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How do you handle Black people that have committed crimes against millions of Black people? I'm not saying give them an extra tight necktie, but they need to be dealt with in a manner that is a deterrent and is teachable.

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99. "RE: WAR"
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Sometimes war is necessary.

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28. "WHITE FOLKS"
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"When I say that the White man is a devil, I speak with the authority of hitory..."

Malcolm X--1963

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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35. "RE: WHITE FOLKS"
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You shouldn't hate White people. You shouldn't hate anyone. That's no way to live"

Medgar Evers--1963

...In the Land of The Strange Confusion Is King.

  

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61. "I agree with Khalid Muhammad when he said...."
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If there is some devil underground with red stockings on with horns on his head, he should come up here and get his ass whipped by some real devils. As far as what malcolm is saying about history, I don't think you'll fight paralleled evil anywhere else that is not a result of their doing. Don't know much about Eastern Europe.
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64. "RE: I agree with Khalid Muhammad when he said...."
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...aye, but the European world is a divided as any other...I cant really disagree though...slavery, world wars, industrial capitalism, television...

...In the Land of The Strange Confusion Is King.

  

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72. "Euros colonized Europe before they colonized the world...."
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I'm not talking about individuals... but the dominant aspects of their history from what I know.

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110. "RE: Euros colonized Europe before they colonized the world...."
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...so what? Europeans dont have a homeland????

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122. "Exactly, they are reptilians for mars"
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nah, the havoc Europeans have unleashed around the globe was done internally amongst each other first, racism, slavery, colonialism. For Europe to come out of their dark ages they had to colonize each other.

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108. "RE: WHITE FOLKS"
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679728171/qid=1119649806/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-8738349-0795115

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29. "WOMANHOOD"
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"I want to say to every Negro woman present, don't sit down and wait for the opportunities to come...Get up and make them!"

Madame C.J. Walker--1914

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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62. "Hmmm...."
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It sounds good... but all opportunities are ethically desirable. You know, fade cream and stuff lol

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101. "RE: WOMANHOOD"
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Says the woman who put out products to make women hate their natural features. Womanhood is a complex issue. The "prescribed" roles for women are changing as society changes. A pure definition of womanhood can not made.

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128. "Walker must have her due!"
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"I am a woman who came from the cotton fields of the South. From there I was promoted to the washtub. From there I was promoted to the cook kitchen. And from there I promoted myself into the business of manufacturing hair goods and preparations....I have built my own factory on my own ground" - Madam Walker, National Negro Business League Convention, July 1912

The need to straighten and bleach was already conditioned into Black women and rather than give all their money to big companies Black women gave it to Walker, who in turn gave it back into her community...and to Black women.

"Walker herself moved to New York in 1916, leaving the day-to-day operations of the Madam C. J. Walker Manufacturing Company in Indianapolis to Ransom and Alice Kelly, her factory forelady and a former school teacher. She continued to oversee the business and to run the New York office. Once in Harlem, she quickly became involved in Harlem's social and political life, taking special interest in the NAACP's anti-lynching movement to which she contributed $5,000.

As her business continued to grow, Walker organized her agents into local and state clubs. Her Madam C. J. Walker Hair Culturists Union of America convention in Philadelphia in 1917 must have been one of the first national meetings of businesswomen in the country. Walker used the gathering not only to reward her agents for their business success, but to encourage their political activism as well. "This is the greatest country under the sun," she told them. "But we must not let our love of country, our patriotic loyalty cause us to abate one whit in our protest against wrong and injustice. We should protest until the American sense of justice is so aroused that such affairs as the East St. Louis riot be forever impossible." - http://www.madamecjwalker.com/

I add to the list:
Mary Ellen Pleasant
Marie Laveaux

These women were doing business and social activism before Madame Walker.

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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30. "WORK"
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"Nothing ever comes to one, that is worth having, except as a result of hard work."

Booker T. Washington--1901

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63. "Booker T. was wrong on this..."
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We live in a society where the people who work the hardest goes without working for people who don't work hard at all.

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118. "so"
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somebody who dropped out of high school who scrubs toilets and washes dishes at burger king for 7 dollars an hour, SHOULD, theoretically, be making more or just about the same amount of money as you even though you have a PhD and will never scrub ANYBODY's toilets in your life!

  

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123. "You're being childish"
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133. "score one for cognitive dissonance...again."
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you need to work on that man.

  

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135. "Figure out what cognitive dissonance is...."
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not that hard of a concept for you to be misusing it

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142. "sure i do."
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"A condition of conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between one's beliefs and one's actions, such as opposing the slaughter of animals and eating meat."

- in this case, you feel that people who work hard should be getting paid better than they are. I simply asked since you have your PhD (and worked hard 2 get it) should high school dropouts and/or folks who have no formal education be getting paid as much as you for doing janitorial services? this is where the dissonance kicks in.

am i right or wrong? and could you explain please?

  

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154. "There's no dissonance..."
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There is no inconsistency between my thought and my actions, therefore there is no dissonance.

1. I don't have a phd.
2. Obtaining a phd does not imply a certain level of hard work, that's definitely relative.
3. All you have to do is have some kind of working knowledge of the history of this country to know, hard workers/laborers or even professionals work under people who merely organize that labor. In a system in which wealth is handed down, most wealthy people never have to work hard. It's called privilege.

So if someone's parents work hard and amass some level of wealth/prestige, it's almost a given that the children wont have to work as hard. This is the part you love to ignore, the masses of people have built this country, especially blacks, but due to the nature of racism it has been to the privilege of the wealthy, making them richer.

Seems like your argument is trying to place value on a certain kinds of work, which is a dead argument from the get because we know how much teachers get paid compared to athletes.

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156. "???"
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>1. I don't have a phd.

- well if you are about to GET one then my argument still stands. if you ARENT about to get one or never will obtain one, I think you have some serious explaining to do following that post where u were praised for obtaining your PhD, AND responding to peoples comments as if you had already had one.

>2. Obtaining a phd does not imply a certain level of hard
>work, that's definitely relative.

- no, that's definately bullshit. show me one person who has a PhD who is earning minimum wage in this country? show me a person who has a PhD in this country and is earning just as much as a janitor or an employee at mcdonalds?

>3. All you have to do is have some kind of working knowledge
>of the history of this country to know, hard workers/laborers
>or even professionals work under people who merely organize
>that labor. In a system in which wealth is handed down, most
>wealthy people never have to work hard. It's called
>privilege.

- that is an empowering and emotional speech, but my question still stands: should somebody who is scrubbing toilets and flipping burgers make just as, if not MORE money than somebody with a PhD? you still havent answered this question.

>So if someone's parents work hard and amass some level of
>wealth/prestige, it's almost a given that the children wont
>have to work as hard.

- is this wrong?


>This is the part you love to ignore, the
>masses of people have built this country, especially blacks,
>but due to the nature of racism it has been to the privilege
>of the wealthy, making them richer.

- I disagree with you here but as mature adults, Im pretty sure we can disagree and move on back to the topic at hand.

>Seems like your argument is trying to place value on a certain
>kinds of work, which is a dead argument from the get because
>we know how much teachers get paid compared to athletes.

- no. my argument is simple. should people who scrub toilets get paid as much as people with PhD's? it is a simple yes or no question and you havent even answered it. all u did was call me childish and ignored the question. and teachers should mos def be getting paid more, but not as much as pro athletes. but that is just my opinion.

  

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157. "Straight shot"
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>- no. my argument is simple. should people who scrub toilets get
>paid as much as people with PhD's? it is a simple yes or no
>question and you havent even answered it. all u did was call me
>childish and ignored the question. and teachers should mos def be
>getting paid more, but not as much as pro athletes. but that is
>just my opinion.

Yes, a phd and a janitor should be able to enjoy a minimum standard of living regardless, It was Booker T. Washington himself that said it is as much dignity in manual labor than it is for someone who composes the best poem.
People who go after a particular occupation based on how much it will pay may not be putting the occupation before the dollar signs, probably hurting the occupation. When I get my Phd I dont think i will deserve more money than someone who is scrubbing toilets if he/she is contributing to his family community as much as I am.

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158. "u should be a politician"
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>Yes, a phd and a janitor should be able to enjoy a minimum
>standard of living regardless,

- lol. that was very clever but did not answer my question.

>It was Booker T. Washington
>himself that said it is as much dignity in manual labor than
>it is for someone who composes the best poem.

- this was stated in the early 20th century. booker T washington was born in the 19th century. we are living in the 21st century, I doubt booker t washington would promote for black people to be janitors and construction workers in the year 2005. however, if this is what you think then so be it...strangely enough u are quoting and promoting an ideology that you yourself do not follow...if u TRULY believe and live by this creed, u would have never attended college in the first place.


>People who go after a particular occupation based on how much
>it will pay may not be putting the occupation before the
>dollar signs, probably hurting the occupation.

- if doctors and brain surgeons were being paid 7 dollars an hour for 8 hour shifts, medical schools all across this country would close up in 5 hours. same for scientists, psychologists, radiologists, engineers, etc etc...people that provide important services for other people expect to be compensated...these people aren't POLUTING the field, they just expect to be paid what they are worth...just like YOU will expect to be PAID when u get out here...which goes back to my original point: should a scientist or medical doctor be paid LESS than somebody who flips burgers at wendy's?

>When I get my
>Phd I dont think i will deserve more money than someone who is
>scrubbing toilets if he/she is contributing to his family
>community as much as I am.

- you busted your ass and worked hard for your degree and you expect to be PAID like it too even though u wont admit it because u know folks offline on here and u have to keep that "activist" persona going. If you go out here to enter the workplace and the only thing u can find is a gig that pays you 9 or 10 bucks an hour, only 5 dollars above minumum wage, or a salary job for 30K and folks are telling you "u gotta pay dues", you will be FURIOUS. even though these are wages that i know ALOT of black folks would be more than happy to have...

and u STILL havent answered my question. I asked you specifically if a janitor should make more money than YOU and first u said 1) a janitor should be able to earn enough to live and 2) a janitor deserves more or the same amount of money if he is contrbuting to his family and community....lets try this again: SHOULD A JANITOR OR SOMEBODY WHO DOESNT HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE WORKING AT MCDONALDS, REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH THEY LOVE THEIR FAMILIES AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY, BE EARNING {{{JUST AS MUCH}}} OR {{{MORE}}} MONEY THAN YOU WHEN YOU GET OUT HERE AND HAVE YOUR PhD?


  

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162. "see post #157 n/m"
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161. "ALLOW ME BREAK IN RIGHT HERE:"
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>When I get my
>Phd I dont think i will deserve more money than someone who is
>scrubbing toilets if he/she is contributing to his family
>community as much as I am.

Jahi, after you get your Ph.D., if you take a job making $7.00 per hour, I will personally fly to Chi-town, Philly or wherever you are staying and administer the worst beat-down anyone has ever seen since Mike Tyson's 91-second beating of Michael Spinks in 1988...lol

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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163. "Lol...."
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I wouldn't be able to afford to make 9.00 an hour after student loans without getting a second job! If I have a phd I would not take less than what is expected for someone who has a phd, that would be a slap in the face to myself on principle alone, and just stupid unless I felt the job compensate in other ways.
However the question was not about my reality and my specific conditions but what my beliefs are. I don't see it as a contradiction either as he would probably try to make it seem, it's just a matter of how things are and how you feel things should be. And his question doesn't even correspond to my initial statement, which is why I just think it is childish and I choose not to go back and forth with that kind of nonsense.

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159. "You are a little off on this one..."
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>I think you have some serious explaining to do following
>that post where u were praised for obtaining your PhD, AND
>responding to peoples comments as if you had already had one.

The post praised him for being ACCEPTED into a Ph.D. program at Temple University...not because he already obtained his Ph.D...and I'm pretty sure he didn't respond like he already had it.

PEACE

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131. "I agree with Booker T. Washington on this point..."
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Generally, things that are worthwhile and valuable are going to take hard work, period. YOU OF ALL PEOPLE should know and understand that.

You got your Bachelors in a culture shock environment because you buckled down and worked despite the fact that you didn't like where you were...you got your Masters because you busted your tail reading and studying, taking your bike on and off the train, and worked a night job...you are going to get your Ph.D. because of that same work ethic...

When you finish your schooling and are doing some serious community work, you are gonna tell Black people that we all need to bust our behinds working, both individually and collectively.

Tell me you won't...

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102. "RE: WORK"
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Tell that to people working for minimum wage trying to provide for a family.

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33. "YOUNG BLACK MEN"
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"It frightens me that our young Black men have a better chance of going to jail than of going to college."

Johnnie Cochran--1994

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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brokenchains79
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65. "Yup...."
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Frightens me too.

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104. "RE: YOUNG BLACK MEN"
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Frightens me too.

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109. "statistical misconception"
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it is true that there are more black men in prison than college, but if we narrow our focus to college-age black men, those ages 19-24, there are more in collge than prison.

however, there are still far, far to many in jail

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129. "SELF-DEFENSE"
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"A Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every home. When the White man knows he runs as great a risk of biting the dust every time his Afro-American victim does, he will have greater respect for Afro-American life"

Ida B. Wells Barnett

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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169. "I am BUGGING that nobody had anything to say about this one..."
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"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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171. "I agree with her wholeheartedly..."
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Whenever some can't recognize your humanity atleast to the extent that they seek to erase it, it's best you have your modern day spear to make them think twice.

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170. "It's safe to say"
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That the black community has more than overcompensated in the arena of "self-defense" and guns in general. Had Ida B. Wells known what effect the culture of guns has taken on black people, she would have probably said we need the BIBLE as self-defense against....ourselves.

"I'm scientific, but my reflex gangsta"- Black Thought

  

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172. "I think you are off on this one:"
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>That the black community has more than overcompensated in the
>arena of "self-defense" and guns in general. Had Ida B. Wells
>known what effect the culture of guns has taken on black
>people, she would have probably said we need the BIBLE as
>self-defense against....ourselves.

You are talking about self-DESTRUCTION, not self-DEFENSE, two totally different subjects. Yes gun-culture has been and still is a huge problem in our communities, but there have been very few instances (relatively speaking) of Black people using guns as self- defense against white folks, especially on any type of "united" type stance.

You are are right though, the proliferation of guns, our lack of natural affection for ourselves, and the fact that we have allowed (and in many instances participated in) the devaluation of our lives have all been contributing factors to the high gun-crime rates in Black communities.


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Shakeet Lokh Em
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173. "lol, you're right"
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My mind is so skewed from all that I've seen, that I just automatically took it to self-destruction rather than self-defense. lol *quietly exits post*

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130. "ECONOMIC POWER (another one)"
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"We've got to take advanatge of the money that we make and start making that money work for us, and make that money grow for us. We dominate SPORTS, we dominate ENTERTAINMENT. But when are we going to start dominating MONEY?"

Earvin "Magic" Johnson

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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144. "BLACKNESS"
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“What we need now is a new way to be Black, a new way to apply all that we have learned from the past” - Ossie Davis

  

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166. "^Ossie Davis speaks garabge^ Where was Ruby Dee??!!"
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"I'm scientific, but my reflex gangsta"- Black Thought

  

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167. "What are you talking about?"
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"Fitness Facilitates The Platform That Provides Peak Performance in Life." © Brendan Brazier

  

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Shakeet Lokh Em
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168. "There is no "new way" to be black."
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We have to deal with our issues head on and stop tryin to find all these different methods of skating around what's important. Taking on a new persona will not curve drug addicition or new HIV cases. We have to look our demons in the eye, and just deal with it. imho

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175. "RE: LET'S ANALYZE SOME QUOTES, SHALL WE?"
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i will not let finite disappointment undermine infinite hope
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