So religious nuts, why is it the end of times again?

As described by the Bible, rampant crime was not the sole hallmark of Armageddon. Wars, famine, pestilence, and an increase in natural disasters are also prophesied to occur. Also the abolishment of religion altogether from the world's government is mentioned in Revelation. And judging by the, anti-organized religion sentiment that is commonplace throughout the Earth, I'd say we were right on schedule.

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>As described by the Bible, rampant crime was not the sole
>hallmark of Armageddon.

Wars,
famine,
pestilence

These are considerably less then what it was even at the turn of the century. Natural disasters Im not too sure. The abolishment of religion altogether from the worlds government...well...depends on who you ask. If you ask the Christian right, we are finally back on track to putting it back into the government.

I'd like to see the statistics you speak of. I'll break it down like this. And just as a reference, let's use the birth of Christ as our starting point in time. So in those 2000 plus years, when has there ever been tragic circumstance after tragic circumstance so closely bunched together in one century? The 20th century to be exact. Two world wars, the Holocaust, U.S. segregation, Apartheid, Vietnam, the majority of the continent of Africa experiencing famine, the collapse of the Soviet Union, the percentage of affluent nations versus third world, the Greenhouse Effect, melting polar ice caps, HIV/AIDS...etc. I could go on and on. And that is just GENERAL knowledge. And all before we were anywhere near the year 2000. And it's worse nowadays. We're supposed to be so smart, and have all this technology, and NOTHING is being solved. As long as man has walked this Earth, you would think we would get the big picture and have things improving. But we're not. I don't care how much education a person thinks that he has, anybody with two eyes can see it. We can't go on much longer like this. We can't.

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started well before the 20th century. the crusades, inquisition, 100 years war, slaughter of the indians & removal from their lands, witch hunts, london burning to the grouns, incestuous royal families of europe, enslavement of the jews in egypt, etc. and if you think there weren't plagues, famine, wars, etc. in between all these events as there are in the 20th century, you're crazy. the only difference is the global nature of our society, that we know about huge tsunamis hitting java 30 seconds after they do, terrorsit insurrections, etc.

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Those things happened over many, many centuries. There has never been a time in recorded human history in which the magnitude of despair has reached a GLOBAL scale. And in a period of under 100 years. I never said there weren't evil and wicked things being done before the 20th century. You could go from the persecution of Christians in Rome in the first century a.d. all the way up to the American Civil War in the 1860's. But right now, the world over, everybody is catchin grief. Serious grief. We can go back and forth all day calling out wars and famines. But that ain't the point. The point is the sudden concentration of these tragedies and the rapid spread of them in the time we live in now.

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so hopefully this one will make my point a little clearer. our scope & knowledge of the world is much, much larger than it was 100, 200 years ago. 200 years ago, fluctuations in the american economy didn't send shockwaves throughout europe, asia, japan, etc. but now there is a great interdependence among the world's economies, making things like the great depression & global recession possibilities. 200 years ago, a colonial american would probably never hear of warring tribes/clans in africa/central asia/east asia, but today on 24 hour news networks & the internet, you hear about everything that happens. and it's only logical to argue that due to a global population that is many times larger than it was 200 years ago, you're going to have more conflicts among more groups. i'm not saying things haven't changed, but to believe that these actions indicate end of days seems silly.

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I respect where you comin from man. Honestly. Do you believe there's a such thing as "The Last Days"? Or even Armageddon? World conflict isn't the only marker for out time period. Just as increase in crime isn't an independent precursor. It's all these things happening at ONCE. There is also mention of an increase of earthquakes and natural disasters. There will be a cry of peace and security by the nations. And the fall of false religion. Now can't NOBODY deny that organized religion is on the hot seat right now.

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>So religious nuts, why is it the end of times again?

There is no proof for this statement.

as a sign of the times.

Well, let me backtrack actually.

Armageddon is something alot of religions throw around, but never really get into depth of when its going to happen. Just a bunch of doom and gloom.

>as a sign of the times.
>
>Well, let me backtrack actually.
>
>Armageddon is something alot of religions throw around, but
>never really get into depth of when its going to happen. Just
>a bunch of doom and gloom.

which religions?

people have been saying this since the dawn of man. only idiots actually believe it when they DO say it.

truer words never spoken. You are one hundred and 10 percent correct.

Paranoid much?

I will believe it when it happens.

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It was a book I was reading, and they kind of threw it in as an aside.

But its not too hard to imagine. I mean the media gives you these hyper images of how it is, but realistically I can't see crime being much worse then lets say the begining of the industrial age.

Wars etc, yeah we had world war but we also had the Crusades, Rome, etc.

It's like the saying 'kids don't respect their elders today', which is thought to have been used by every generation since time immemorial!

I was just a little startled by 'smidgen', and wondered whether - if this is true - it is a stronger indication of the historical recording methods, than the actual historical crime disparity...


>It was a book I was reading, and they kind of threw it in as
>an aside.
>
>But its not too hard to imagine. I mean the media gives you
>these hyper images of how it is, but realistically I can't see
>crime being much worse then lets say the begining of the
>industrial age.
>
>Wars etc, yeah we had world war but we also had the Crusades,
>Rome, etc.

>It's like the saying 'kids don't respect their elders today',
>which is thought to have been used by every generation since
>time immemorial!

thats actually not true. In previous ages the problem of "juvenile deinquency" and a lack of respect was not the problem that it is today, it's a contemporay (back to the 50's) phenomena caused by changes in the economy, i.e. kids didnt have to go to work at 14 or 15, more disposposable income, and more importantly a reaction to the second world war....again this is another effect of alienation from society and a failure at a cultural level to communicate with the youth.

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>>It's like the saying 'kids don't respect their elders
>today',
>>which is thought to have been used by every generation since
>>time immemorial!
>
>thats actually not true. In previous ages the problem of
>"juvenile deinquency" and a lack of respect was not the
>problem that it is today, it's a contemporay (back to the
>50's) phenomena caused by changes in the economy, i.e. kids
>didnt have to go to work at 14 or 15, more disposposable
>income, and more importantly a reaction to the second world
>war....again this is another effect of alienation from society
>and a failure at a cultural level to communicate with the
>youth.


Have you studied enough ancient and modern history to assert with any authority that the attitude of kids changed in such an unprecedented way in ONE decade?!

Think about it. It's absurd.

>Have you studied enough ancient and modern history to assert
>with any authority that the attitude of kids changed in such
>an unprecedented way in ONE decade?!

Naw, I don't have to..you don't understand what I'm talking about.

>Think about it. It's absurd.

Naw..it isn't.

...In the Land of The Strange Confusion Is King.

there were no teenagers in the 1800s. you were either a child or an adult

crime has nothing to do with any specified time period. crime rate depends mostly on a society's capacity to provide for all its members. when a society fails in this regard, its members are essentially forced to deviate. we have a lot more failed societies now than ever before. just cause the media paints one picture dont mean the opposite is necessarily true


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FBI's #s show differently though...but if YOU want the Patriot Act, etc to stay right in place, then we'll use your logic. Dude, you can't do stump speeches for Ashcroft like this on msg boards.

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i ain't see that coming

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“Stand out firmly for Justice as witness before God, even against yourselves, against your kin and against your parents, against people who are rich or poor. Do not follow your inclinations or desires lest you deviate from Justice."
-Qur’an 4:135

>crime has nothing to do with any specified time period. crime
>rate depends mostly on a society's capacity to provide for all
>its members. when a society fails in this regard, its members
>are essentially forced to deviate. we have a lot more failed
>societies now than ever before. just cause the media paints
>one picture dont mean the opposite is necessarily true

the "providing" part

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“Stand out firmly for Justice as witness before God, even against yourselves, against your kin and against your parents, against people who are rich or poor. Do not follow your inclinations or desires lest you deviate from Justice."
-Qur’an 4:135

i wonder about the criminality among the priviledge tho..

i mean the direct one ..

does a society provide too much ?


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some of the economically priviledged consider some of the economically impoverished to be more socially priviledged than they are

you know, issues related to social validation (i.e. daddy dont love me... daddy love his business)

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People want a big warning sticker in the sky or something. Jesus with a bullhorn saying, "Hey guys, um...I'll like, be down in a few days to destroy the wicked and what not. So see if you can fit that into your schedule. It's gonna be a one time event, so be there to see the fireworks!!! This is the Archangel Michael signing off. KISS THE RINGS! I'M OUT!" That would totally defeat the purpose. He said to 'Keep on the watch, because I am coming like a thief in the night'. This requires faith, and if a person doesn't have that, then they miss the whole point. *shrugs*

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