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peebo
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Sun Sep-11-11 02:19 AM

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"greece"


          

anyone following what's been going on in greece?



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"For a long time now, decisions are taken for us, without us.
We are workers, unemployed, pensioners, youth who came to Syntagma to struggle for our lives and our futures.

We are here because we know that the solution to our problems can only come from us.

We invite all Athenians, the workers, the unemployed and the youth to Syntagma, and the entire society to fill up the squares and to take life into its hands.

There, in the squares, we shall co-shape all our demands.

We call all workers who will be striking in the coming period to end up and to remain at Syntagma.

We will not leave the squares before those who lead us here leave first: Governments, the Troika, Banks, Memorandums and everyone who exploits us.

We tell them that the debt is not ours.

DIRECT DEMOCRACY NOW!

EQUALITY – JUSTICE – DIGNITY!

The only defeated struggle is the one that was never given!"
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when they Lose (or Win) will you still support them?
Sep 11th 2011
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RE: when they Lose (or Win) will you still support them?
Sep 11th 2011
2
remember the context,
Sep 12th 2011
3

DJ Danga
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Sun Sep-11-11 10:12 AM

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1. "when they Lose (or Win) will you still support them?"
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what if they win and you don't agree with their policies..
will you still support them?


They might not EVER win.
They might always be subject to NeoLiberal agent provocateurs within the "movement"...what will you do?

  

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peebo
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Sun Sep-11-11 02:00 PM

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2. "RE: when they Lose (or Win) will you still support them?"
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>what if they win and you don't agree with their policies..
>will you still support them?

of course i will. i generally support movements that challenge the tyranny of western power. yes, i say that much "protest" in the west is futile, and it is, but this, and what's been happening in spain this year, and even things like the riots in london, are far more powerful.

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>They might not EVER win.

they might not, true.


>They might always be subject to NeoLiberal agent provocateurs
>within the "movement"...what will you do?

as long as the current power structure remains, most likely so. after all this shit's been going on in italy, for example, since world war 2.

  

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peebo
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Mon Sep-12-11 12:25 PM

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3. "remember the context,"
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Mon Sep-12-11 12:26 PM by peebo

          

that discussion months ago centred around shit like the g8 geldof and bono protest, and iraq war march. and i didn't say it was intrinsically bad, just futile, and dangerous from the point of view that people taking part in it think they've done their bit. went along on a peaceful law abiding government sanctioned protest march. had their say. and were completely ignored. often these same characters will pour scorn on individuals and groups partaking in real activism. surely, you must agree on this? the views you regularly espouse would suggest as much, at least.

  

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