reads the sign of the man protesting at my college.

I'm going to ask him if he'll be here tomorrow. That way I'll have enough time to put together a decent outfit.

Yeah, I think we should legalize marriage between men and boys too...and men and underage girls....oh and let's legalize marriage between humans and animals...OH WAIT!

What's the difference bt/n a gay marriage and an heterosexual one if they create a life built with love and understanding?

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i mean hey marriage between woman and dog just legally solidifies the bondage of love so wus wrong with that if gay marriage is ok. i really think we are being biased here.

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or interfaith marriage, while we're at it.

Can you imagine if someone compared interracial marriage to a woman marrying a dog?

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>Can you imagine if someone compared interracial marriage to a
>woman marrying a dog?

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

You see black or gay. I see the struggle.

It's sad that you are judging a people's struggle rather than trying to stop the injustice.

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>You see black or gay. I see the struggle.
>


Other than that I don't care if gays want to marry, they also have the right to get a divorce and pay alimony until the other half re marries too. Is that ok with you?

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

Of course if they get hitched they can get divorced. 50% of marriages currently end divorce so it's going to be tough for homosexuals to sully the sanctity of marriage more than we already have.

Personally, I think you fix the whole issue by taking the word marriage out of the law books and giving everyone civil unions. Let the Church define marriage and let the government make sure that all people get equal treatment under the law.

What really makes me laugh is how conservatives and Republican rally around the sanctity of marriage and have nominated a man who is divorced after getting picked up at a bar while he was still married. (And let's not forget that his action basically made him persona non grata in the house of the Conservative patron saints The Reagan's).

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If there's one thing I hate in life it's hypocrites and fucking bigots that try to justify their hatred. Fuck you. You are the slavemaster!

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I don't thin that will be a valid argument. Whether interracial/inter-religous/cultural or whatever the fact is that it is still between a man and a woman. 2 men and 2 women cannot pro-create. Just like a woman and a dog cannot pro-create...its not natural...

What is "natural" is to bring a child into a loving setting, hetero, same-sex, or not.
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"I don't think muthafuckas went to the moon either, but that's just me."-Mos

I definately agree that bringing children into a loving environment is key to raising sound adults, but that is not what i was talking about...but since you touched on that subject...one of my greatest concerns is that (and im sure your counter argument can be made about heterosexuals but just hear me out for a sec) I'm not too sure how sound (psychologically & emotionally) some homosexuals are, I am not by any means saying that this is absolute fact or is the case for all but i beleive that many homosexuals are suffering from some pretty deep rooted issues that stem from childhood incidents (whether rape/molestation/self esteem, etc) that pretty much led them to that lifestyle in the first place...can two people of the same sex provide a safe nurturing environment for a child, sure, but its the underlying cause of what led them to that state- it is definately something that needs to be addressed...

And I would be inclined to agree w/you up until this:

"but i beleive that many homosexuals are suffering from some pretty deep rooted issues that stem from childhood incidents (whether rape/molestation/self esteem, etc) that pretty much led them to that lifestyle in the first place"

What happens in person's childhood affects how everyone will turn out in adulthood.

And if a gay "lifestyle" is what that person consider to be the best for them, so be it. There are many gay people who have had what they would consider to be "normal" childhoods, too.

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"I don't think muthafuckas went to the moon either, but that's just me."-Mos

I don't expect you to believe this but homosexuality is a "spirit"....

The Greatest peril in America is prayerlessness behind pulpits” -Bishop Tudor Bismark …

No wonder so many fundamentals suck on it.

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"I don't think muthafuckas went to the moon either, but that's just me."-Mos

Here

I suggest you pray before you watch this..I don't want you to have any nightmares...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HufRFLtwWQ

What you will see is not a joke/or fake.

But being in church I have seen some people delivered from some stuff...Homosexuality being one of them..Im just saying everyone has there theory...that's mine.

So much for separation of church and state. Maybe we can start killing people for working on Sunday, while we're at it.

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"I don't think muthafuckas went to the moon either, but that's just me."-Mos

Laugh if you want, but your tone is not fooling me....

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"I don't think muthafuckas went to the moon either, but that's just me."-Mos

I'm might not agree with Jen's beliefs but you have to respect them. I don't think you can belittle them while also asking for respect of your beliefs.

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Besides, they're not respecting my beliefs.

They just want me to say that they're right.

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"I don't think muthafuckas went to the moon either, but that's just me."-Mos

want you to say that I'm right, I have moved beyond people trying to agree with me, I'm just here to offer a different perspective...

By the way did you watch the youtube video?

Please explain.

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wait hold on a sec so wus wrong with the union of animal and man? there isnt an ability to procreate but there is the ability to love. Whats the problem?

where is everyone else's?

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"I don't think muthafuckas went to the moon either, but that's just me."-Mos

about what is natural and unnatural.

when it comes to human behavior.

It only boils down to what individuals consider how a person acts according to their own beliefs.

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>when it comes to human behavior.

Really?

I believe within all of us is something innate that tells us what is right/wrong, natural/unnatural and what is socially acceptable and what is not...

>I believe within all of us is something innate that tells us
>what is right/wrong, natural/unnatural and what is socially
>acceptable and what is not...

At times, it was socially acceptable to stone people, have slaves, perform human sacrifice, for women to stay in their place, etc.

Throughout history, what is socially acceptable at one time often becomes offensive or obviously wrong in the future.

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Your definition of natural is of what YOU consider appropriate according to the way you think that people should behave.

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I think its wrong for us to shackle our pets in leashes. We should also be able to breast feed our new born pets in public with out restraint. Gay rights, animal rights lets make a joint movement.

>I think its wrong for us to shackle our pets in leashes. We
>should also be able to breast feed our new born pets in public
>with out restraint. Gay rights, animal rights lets make a
>joint movement.

You're really not helping your cause with this idiotic post.

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who said gays were animals Im talking about love what are you talking about?

Sad that a serious conversation gets hijacked by silly strawmen.

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now im silly for talking about rights for all? I mean you sound kind of biased. How is this silly my friend? we are talking about equal rights arent we?

Two consenting adults do not equal a human and a dog.

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humans consent so do animals and we are all life so I dont understand. Why are you so closed minded? I think your a bigot. You have no reasoning to tell me that this isnt ok if gay marriage is ok then animal sex is ok.

>humans consent so do animals and we are all life so I dont
>understand. Why are you so closed minded? I think your a
>bigot. You have no reasoning to tell me that this isnt ok if
>gay marriage is ok then animal sex is ok.

Besides the fact that I'm not sure how you can tell how an animal consents, your stance that "We're all life" basically outlaws everything from farming to owning pets.

People are getting their rights taken away from them and you think the right discussion is putting forth a farcical argument. That's sad.

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animals consent because they too agree to do things and we shouldnt own animals its just plan wrong. Animals and humans are getting their rights taken away everyday when a license to marriage between man and animal is denied.

>At times, it was socially acceptable to stone people, have slaves, >perform human sacrifice, for women to stay in their place, etc.
>Throughout history, what is socially acceptable at one time often >becomes offensive or obviously wrong in the future.

In that statement I was not talking about how our minds are affected by the social times that we live in...in the simplest terms i'm sure that just about everyone in this world (across gender/racial/cultural barriers) would **think** that it is highly inapprorpiate for a human being to have sex with a dog....

>>At times, it was socially acceptable to stone people, have
>slaves, >perform human sacrifice, for women to stay in their
>place, etc.
>>Throughout history, what is socially acceptable at one time
>often >becomes offensive or obviously wrong in the future.
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>In that statement I was not talking about how our minds are
>affected by the social times that we live in...in the simplest
>terms i'm sure that just about everyone in this world (across
>gender/racial/cultural barriers) would **think** that it is
>highly inapprorpiate for a human being to have sex with a
>dog....

I'm really not sure what this has to do with your point.

Do you really think that the same amount of people who are tolerant of gay sex would also be tolerant with bestiality?

It clearly isn't innate to think homosexuality is wrong since it's been around forever, was more acceptable in many ancient societies, and is still something which most people don't seem to think makes someone sub-human.

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Bestiality is apparent in mythology and I think your being biased. what is wrong with bestiality? just because homosexuality is popular now doesnt mean it was before today. With the right movement we can have freedom and civil rights for everyone.

>Bestiality is apparent in mythology and I think your being
>biased. what is wrong with bestiality? just because
>homosexuality is popular now doesnt mean it was before today.
>With the right movement we can have freedom and civil rights
>for everyone.

Homosexuality is popular? LOL.

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so i guess your going to avoid the statement by obviously not having any suitable or comprehensible feedback smh... so my question is how is your point valid at all? please resort to laughter it only helps your argument more.

>so i guess your going to avoid the statement by obviously not
>having any suitable or comprehensible feedback smh... so my
>question is how is your point valid at all? please resort to
>laughter it only helps your argument more.

You're randomly citing mythology, stories which say things like the sun is a man in a chariot.

You're saying homosexuality is popular even though most people abhor it and people vote against it.

You compare humans with dogs.

Please point to me one argument you've made that hasn't been a sarcastic, tongue in cheek argument. Please show me somewhere where you've been part of a discussion rather than bringing up strawmen.

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actually your wrong homosexuality started off as a subculture and is now somewhat popular culture. Bestiality is what homosexuality once was so if we form the right movement we can make bestiality popular too... why not?

That's the exact same argument used against same-sex marriage. It is blatant and obvious that it is an injustice. Whenever a right is taken away from the people, you should always be suspicious of it. Whenever there is a law that threatens to oppress people or hold them back from possessing the same rights as any other citizen, you should be suspicious. Your religion is no justification for your hatred and bigotry. Fuck your religion. Remember that time period when blacks were considered 3/5 of a person, were those bigots right because they thought it was morally wrong for blacks to be equal? AND YES discrimination in RACE is equivalent to discrimination in sexual orientation. Don't try to justify your hatred and prejudice and dress it up as something else. A fucking bigot is a fucking bigot. i think blacks that oppose same-sex marriage are fucking retarded or greatly misguided because we, of all people, should know the most of what it feels like to be oppressed and to be second-class citizens.
Wake the fuck up people, and get over your ignorant fucking selves.
God, I'm tired of bigots!

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My point was that defending anti-gay sentiment by pointing to what's "natural" or "socially acceptable" is short sighted. People supported miscegenation laws called interracial marriage unnatural and considered those marriage socially unacceptable. Now we see those people are ignorant.

The same will happen in this civil rights situation.

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My bad dawg, I got confused there with those umbrella of post. I agree, right on.

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But you've already made up your mind, so...

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since you just said this

There is no universal definition of "natural"

which comes across as anything goes..

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
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I meant beliefs, behavior and practices.

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"I don't think muthafuckas went to the moon either, but that's just me."-Mos

so can we address the civil union of animal and man? so we can get justice for all. Please everyone should have the right to do what they want including sex with an animal of your choice, but through marriage of course. Legal is the way to go after all.

What difference would it make to you as long as its not in your backyard?

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Man and animal marriage is OK?

Now you're going to far to the liberal side of the argument.

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That what a person does in the privacy of their own homes is their own business?

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Does that make it OK?

If someone tortures animals in the privacy of their own home, should that be protected?

Saying that a person can basically do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home and shouldn't be infringed upon is liberalism going too far.

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I should have elaborated.

As long as what they do in their own homes dosen't harm others or presents any danger, then it ain't my business.

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"I don't think muthafuckas went to the moon either, but that's just me."-Mos

I'd just be careful about that sweeping statement because it can be taken the wrong way and you'll keep having to explain it as you did with me.

Also, there's the issue of consent. Say an adult has consensual sex with a 13 year old. Nobody's technically getting hurt. (The consent issue also rules out beastiality in my book. Although I would side with the naturalists and say that sex with a different animal seems obviously unnatural.)

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just going by law, here.

And any 13 year old girl who's having sex IS harmful.

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hold on lol so how is sex with "another" animal UNNATURAL? So what are we implying about homosexuality?

Human and human is not the same as human and dog, no matter what gender the humans are.

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but why do you say these bigoted things? if you really want to seperate us humans have genders and animals have gender the common denominator here is that we can have gender. If we decide being a male or female to have sex and marry the same or opposite gender animal whats wrong with that? lol

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so since there is no such thing as natural lets all have free sex with everything and everyone including inanimate objects. However Im more for animal sex. Bestiality should be more of our focal point.

you said it, not me.

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I know but your saying it like something is wrong with bestiality... If homosexuality is ok then I dont think you should be biased toward sexual relations with animals