That the US version of 9/11 was and still is bullshit and use as a pretext to invade IRAQ and Afghanistan, ala Problem/Reaction/Solution or The Hegelian Dialectic (whichever you feel is the least racist).

Now why would the Iranian President re iterate the same thing some Americans have been saying for at least the last 5-7 years (9/11 was an inside job). More so why won't the officials just come to the realization that alot of questions posed remain unanswered only to say the people asking are "examples of misinformed, misguided " individuals?

9/11 became a World wide problem the minute we started this pre emptive invasion shit. I wouldn't be surprised if other world leaders come out and say the exact same thing.




Iran: '9/11 an excuse for U.S. invasions'

Story Highlights

Iran's president casts doubt over United States' version of September 11 attacks

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says attacks a pretext to invade Afghanistan and Iraq

He questions the death toll, culprits and motives for the third time in a week

U.S. State Department rejects comments as "misinformed, misguided rhetoric"


http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/04/16/iran.sept11.ap/index.html




TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cast doubt over the United States' version of the September 11 attacks on Wednesday, calling them a pretext used to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.


President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has again publicly questioned the reality of the 9/11 attacks.

Although Iran has condemned the 2001 al Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington in the past, this was the third time in a week that Ahmadinejad questioned the death toll, who was behind the attacks and how it happened.

"Four or five years ago, a suspicious event occurred in New York. A building collapsed and they said that 3,000 people had been killed but never published their names," Ahmadinejad told Iranians in the holy city of Qom.

Under this pretext, the U.S. "attacked Afghanistan and Iraq and since then a million people have been killed only in Iraq," Ahmadinejad said in the speech broadcast live on state-run television.

On the last anniversary of the attacks, the names of 2,750 victims killed in New York were read aloud at a memorial ceremony.


"I am not sure what one says about a statement like that," spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters.

"It leaves one speechless. It is misguided, misinformed rhetoric. I can't tell you whether or not it is something he truly believes or if this is just a warped attempt to try to shape public opinion in Iran or elsewhere."

Last year, Ahmadinejad raised questions over the attacks, saying "what caused it, what were the conditions that led to it, who truly was involved" needed to be examined.

Ahmadinejad has said the attacks were a result of "mismanaging and inhumane managing of the world by the U.S." and should not be turned into another Holocaust "used for slaughtering people."

Although Iran has condemned the U.S. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the campaigns toppled the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, two regional threats to Iran.

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

this is something I am slowly coming to grips with every day.

but the evidence is too overwhelming to ignore. And there isn't enough spin to offset all of the questions and concerns people have.

This isn't the first time something like this has happened in the history of mankind so if you can accept that then it's a little easier to handle. History certainly repeats itself... always.

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

My personal motto that drives me to do this....


Ignorance is bliss, but with knowledge comes strength and sorrow.

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

however literally last weekend I stumbled over this quote and it seems as if it is very very true

"Those who are ready for knowledge need no encouragement, and all the encouragement in the world is useless for those who are not ready." - Manly Palmer Hall

He could be speaking generally or specifically

One question we can ask is: are those not asking questions ready?

>
>"Those who are ready for knowledge need no encouragement, and
>all the encouragement in the world is useless for those who
>are not ready." - Manly Palmer Hall
>

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

they gave money to saudies and didnt even know how to spell the word
saudi

the saudi'es got pissed that after such a long and intense relationship that surrounded all and entireley about money, that the Bush'es didnt even take the time to study and learn arabic

Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : Salam
Bush : Salam

Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : shit kus amak lo rotze lilmod anglit
Bush : We got money , you have oil, want to trade?
Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : yalla be kef
Bush : <<<<Sucker
Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : Yes you are, I learn quick
Bush : Shu?
Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : eh ya maafan , umta mischaktachmarah?
Bush : FUCK SHIT!@$!@$$@!@!@!$@$!@! WE LOST!!!!!!
Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : shev ya ibni, SIT DOWN.
Bush : Ok boss.
Abd Al Aziz Al Saud :


Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : We Fight still?
Bush : I am not sure , its up to Dan
Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : Shu is this Dan?
Bush : Some kid from New York
Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : New York?!
Bush : yeah...*chewing on bacco* , a yankee
Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : Kus amak, he's not from Texas like you?
Bush : No sir. Hes from the northern part of the united states.
Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : And cant you go to him? Make it stop?
Bush : My dad doesnt let me go up to york , he says they are bad crazy down there...*chew*
Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : How is your father? If you already mentioned him...
Bush : Ahhh fuck him, I dont know and I dont care...lets do business
Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : Salam



Bush : Salam
Bush : Hello?

Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : Bush you are all alone against Dan my friend, you fucked the business up. Remember that.

Bush : FUCK@!!@@$!@!$!@$@!$@$! Ill blame the niggers!
Bush Senior drops in : I must opologize for my son's antics...he is a rowdy texan, and he has been to york many times, using our private jets...but hes a stoner , cant remember much.
Abd Al Aziz Al Saud : yalla b`seder
Bush : oh shit i might die tonight cause I disrespected my father and his legacy
Bush Senior : Yes you did son. Why did you disrespect your family?
Bush : Dan told me to do it.
Bush Senior : Dont lie. Dan wasnt there when we rigged the elections.
Bush : But dad....why do we need to rig the elections if im good enough to be president on my own?
Bush Senior : Your not good enough to be president on your own, your the dumbest child I ever had
Bush : Fuck you then. Im calling Ibn Aziz, you talk to Abd Saud.

Ibn Aziz : hey george , whats up? hows it going?
George: good good, my dad is pissing me off though, he treats me like shit
Ibn Aziz : Kill him then. whats the problem?
George : Elaborate
Ibn Aziz : What does your father love most?
George : apparently my brother Jeb.
Ibn Aziz : Jeb? Isnt he the little one?
George : Yeah, one of them.
Ibn Aziz : Kill him too then whats the problem?
George : Everytime you have problems with your dad you kill him?
Ibn Aziz : I always wanted to. Never had the balls or the stomach
George: so stop saying that. Killing is never the answer.
Ibn Aziz : Then stop bitching about your daddy and how much he loves you
George : Ok


Bush Senior : Hi Abu Saud
Abu Saud : Dont say "Hi" to me like a schoolgirl
Bush Senior : Fuck you
Abu Saud : What did you say?
Bush Senior : I said : FUCK YOU.
Abu Saud : HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!! Im calling your son, atleast he has some balls to think about love and not act like a sissygirlschoolmamma.
Bush Senior : sissygirlschoolmamma...I like that one.
Abu Saud : Good for you. Your going to like this one too.
Ibn Bush Aziz Saud : Ok fellas...bush senior is still fucking up. he doesnt have the patience to learn a new language.

Ibn Bush Aziz Saud : Lets fuck up what he loves the most. The heart of the economy in New York.
George: Hey! Thats my city!!
Aziz : Mine too!
Ibn : I love New York!
Saud : shit on new york, there is no sand in new york
Bush Senior : Sand? In New York? What are you talking about? A shit storm?
Saud : Nu


Ibn Bush Aziz : Lets get two planes and fuck up the twin towers.
George : You guys tried that already and werent as succsesfull as you thought you would be.
Ibn Bush Aziz : Why not? We blew up a bomb in your heart and it was all over CNN and news all over the world
George : Yeah but nobody died
Ibn Bush Aziz : Not true, you forget. We killed 6 americans and destroyed the most important infrostructure, pening a 100 foot (30 m) hole through 5 sublevels of concrete leaving six people dead and 50,000 other workers and visitors gasping for air in the shafts of the 110 story towers. Remember?
George : Oh yeah
Ibn Bush Aziz : So lets take another shot at the towers...bring them down for real this time. The intial construction had 65 feet (20m) of concrete below the surface. We made a 30 meter hole. Leaving even 10 meters of air underneath the building, leaving only the pin columns in the corners for support.


Shit fuck this

Dan : Shit, at the first swipe at the towers, they thought they would take the building down. They only thought about taking one building down, their plan wasnt as elaborate as the second one.
They didnt even think about knocking the second one down.
Suckers...thinking knocking one tower will destroy the world trade center. They forgot about Tishman.com , the best contractor in the world (for the time being)... =]...anyway....

So they took a bunch of C4 and blew up the parking lot.
Fucked up alot of good ford's and gmc's...but the damage was done.
The bedrock sheet that supported the entire building was lost.
Leaving only the pin coloums that were made out of aluminum steel covered with steel sheetrock. The coloums were strong enough to hold the building for another 100 years. there was nothing wrong with the building EVEN after the bedrock was blown out and taken away.
The pin coloums were strong, I said that already...
Steel Pin Coloums...just like in every standard coloum. First of all.
Take those steel pin coloums , that were acctually made out of brass.
OK lets take this back...shit...sorry

Brass pin columns. Strong and dense brass columns.
Tishman worked with chinamen. The best workers at the time.

Well Fuck tishman then...and chinamen...
sorry...shit...

ehhhhhhh? IG! OK!

Brass pin coulums, covered with steel sheetrock.
Tishman thought this was enough...the mixture of sheetrock with steel pellats that chinaman came up with was pretty good.

shit

Tishman : Man, this chinese motherfucker knows his shit, he's pretty good at chemistry too.
Chinaman : oh yeah? oy vey.
So Tishman and China built a building together.

The bedrock was thick with concrete.
The columns were made out of brass, then the filler upper was poured in with steel sheetrock.
The chinese chique was the outer liner, the ivrit.
Nice clean aluminum columns for the outer exterior.

Dan : To bad Tishman and Chinaman didnt work hand in hand. And only exchanged money.

They came up with some good idea's together, but patented them separately. Not owning a Co.R together.

Tishman brought the brass and the sheetrock
Chinaman brought the steel and added the patent of "Steel Sheetrock"

nice idea,said tishman,"eize yofi!"
Changol!

Ibn Bush Aziz : We saw that the air was sucked out of the building. After the explosion. We received reports that some closed windows from the highest floors exploded. This was pretty interesting.

The bedrock was gone. The columns remanded

Ibn Bush Aziz : Lets just fly a plane into the building! it doesnt have a bedrock anymore! the lightest push from up top will bring it down.

Dan : True.
the construction was good enough even to take a hit from an airplane.
Remember that the second building was intact.

If the residents of the first building would have opened their windows after the plane hit, then the air would not condense the building from inside, implode it from within. A vacum effect, creating demolition from abstract air vacum. Kind of like closing a bottle....eh
IRISH
anyway...
The people inside the building were so busy working they went "What was that noise?"
Some answered : "Who gives a shit, somebody from upstairs probably took a shit the wrong way and now the maintenance guy is on his way....oh shit look TGIF is up 20!"

you get this? people were burning to death on the higher floors and people from lower floors were going "oh yeah sega saturn!"

The fire spread. the smoke woke up the dickheads...
"You smell that?"...."yeah thats probably bob smoking in the bathroom again...open the window."

Those guys and girls that opened the window of their office, sustained a clear air pathway in their specific cubicle coloumn. supporting themselves and the above floor and lower floor.

Lets say "|" is a window.
Hornet fox swivvle opens his window | cause "shit, theres smoke"
HFSXVILLE nyker supported his head and his ass with just opening the window.

The jew from up top, above his head didnt smell any smoke cause he was already burning
and the chinaman from his ass underneath didnt even smell any smoke cause Nyker opened the fucking window, clearing the air for the floors underneath him.

First dude that opened his window, bought time for the entire building.
FoxtrotSwivvle nyker boy opened the window but shit, suddenly he wasnt only smelling smoke...he saw some...and got the fuck outa there at the same second...leaving his window open.

The entire building could have been saved if every window would have been opened before evac.
The FD fucked up. They concentrated on saving people rather than holding and hosing down the building first.
Treating clear floors, that werent burning like hazard zones, breaking FD protocol.

"If it aint burning...its smoking, get the people out"
"If its burning , get the people out faster"
"If its not burning and there isnt any smoke, take your goddamn time and let them carry their own ass down the stairs!"

FD walks into WTC : Shit, the top just got fucked by an airplane.
Lets start evac.
FD fuckup presses 1 on the elavator "working his way up"
dumbfuck dipshit irish duck italian slave bitch niggerjew

FD should have went all the way up first of all and start evac from up top.
Some FD's went straight to the top, those are the real heroes of 9/11.
Not the pussies that started evac from down low.

Anybody thats dead is a hero. anybody that works for FD and EMS in NY, is a fucking bitch pussy whore caword and should be fired.

Fire the bitches, all of them.

Mohini is a bitch, tatting her arm with 9/11 flames covered with red cross laughter. "Uhhhh...yeah I was at 9/11...I had a muffin outside and scracthed my ass saying "OH SHIT THIS FUCKING ROCKS!!! ITS LIKE ON TV!! OH MAN!! chewing on her damn fucking blueberry muffin. typical stupid american whore. that got her tats done a few days after the hit.
the flames and smoke werent even out when millions of people said
"I saw wilt chamberlain score 100 points"

bitches. motherfuckers.
"I was there when the towers fell. I lost someone in the towers"
"My husband died in the towers"

Stupid fucking tyrants, holding up pictures of their "loved" ones , standing outside the buildings demanding to see corpses!
"I dont believe my eyes! I want to see my husbands dead body!"
Why?
"I am a sadistic masochistic narcissist"

all of you. are....
Sadistic Masochistic Narcissist

go buy this book
Malignant Self Love: Narcissism Revisited
By Samuel Vaknin, Sam Vaknin, Lidija Rangelovska

Read it. If you want to be saved.
Read it here.
fficial&client=firefox-a&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail#PPP1,M1" target="_blank">http://books.google.co.il/books?id=OP1rmM_eSRkC&dq=malignant+self+love&pg=PP1&ots=QMi1iuEW3q&sig=H1_dxugYA7F4W6_LJdV69AC4wA8&hl=iw&prev=http://www.google.co.il/search?q=Malignant+Self+Love&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-U fficial&client=firefox-a&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail#PPP1,M1

ok bitches?
Some sam vaknin wrote a book about my idea...

Sadistic Masochistic Narcisism and called it "Malignant Self Love"

This is Sam Vaknin's web site
http://samvak.tripod.com/

The smartest psycho analyst in the world.

Now fuck off.

Ibn Bush Aziz took down the first tower.

Saud, George and Bush senior saw what love does and took down a second tower.
The first tower went down due to terrorism.
The second one went down due to revenge,equality and the source of all evil.

The pentagon was Saud George Bush Senior's idea, also like inventing a plane that crashed in pennsylvania, full of fake people, and sending out a few pod's from the local brainwashing basement, waving their hands with pictures "My name Is Dan Eilat Gyatso, I am the 15'th Dalai Llama"

Say that again...
"My Name Is Dan Eilat Gyatso, I am the 15'th Dalai Llama"

bitch.

now fuck off.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
heh is mine.

http://dolphin.upenn.edu/~hockey/acha.gif

~~~~~~~~~~~~
heh is mine.

if you guys feel so strongly then perhaps you should move to iran and fight with the iranian army. with bush being so evil and all, how can you stand to be a citizen here?

>if you guys feel so strongly then perhaps you should move to
>iran and fight with the iranian army. with bush being so evil
>and all, how can you stand to be a citizen here?

hehe.

-if i had my way
i would've been a killer
i would have given them
violence, violence
and shotguns shotguns
if i had my way-

nm

I have no beef with them.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
heh is mine.

the picture doesn't have this Robin Bush in it?

fox trot zero

~~~~~~~~~~~~
heh is mine.

free speech and dissent (and oppression) is what this country was built on

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

now he's requesting that people move to Iran.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=9&topic_id=111676&mesg_id=111676&listing_type=search#111750

Make up your mind or mind your make up

and it's b.s.

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

didn't know that!

which makes my mind your make up statement much more on point

>free speech and dissent (and oppression) is what this country
>was built on

no im not. i never said people couldnt speak freely or pretend to dissent.

Belee dat!

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

>Belee dat!

being patriotic and believing some hair brained 911 massive conspiracy theory are too very different things. yes, when you take all the information we have about 911 not everything adds up. that doesnt mean there is a giant conspiracy by george bush to take over the world. remember, he is leaving office in less than a year. but hey, if the president of iran says that 911 is a conspiracy then it must be true!

but don't think for a minute that's he's foolish enough to believe that Bush was behind the entire 9/11 false flag operation.

To quote Bush is to further show those who already distrust him that 9/11 was an inside job. But many people don't and won't believe that it's more than a 4-8 yr dirty politician and that it's much more sinister scenario

Because that makes people uncomfortable

so it's easier for all of us to just blame Bush

then you or others on their own can research the bigger picture and learn to not trust anymore corporately sponsored information flowing through your tv sets.

False Flag operations (example 9/11) goes way beyond both Bush administrations and their respective eras

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism

Examples of false flag attacks as pretexts for war
In the 1931 Mukden incident, Japanese officers fabricated a pretext for annexing Manchuria by blowing up a section of railway. Six years later, they falsely claimed the kidnapping of one of their soldiers in the Marco Polo Bridge Incident as an excuse to invade China proper.

The Reichstag Fire of February 27, 1933 has been attributed to the government of the newly elected Adolf Hitler by documents obtained by the Allies after the war and testimony of the Nuremberg Trials. Historians remain divided on this event.

In the Gleiwitz incident in August 1939, Reinhard Heydrich made use of fabricated evidence of a Polish attack against Germany to mobilize German public opinion and to fabricate a false justification for a war with Poland. This, along with other false flag operations in Operation Himmler would be used to mobilize support from the German population for the start of World War II in Europe.

On November 26, 1939 the Soviet Union shelled the village of Mainila near the Finnish border and forged casualties. The Shelling of Mainila was cited a justification for the Soviet Union to attack Finland four days later.

In 1953, the U.S. and British-orchestrated Operation Ajax used "false-flag" and propaganda operations against the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mosaddeq. Information regarding the CIA-sponsored coup d'etat has been largely declassified and is available in the CIA archives.

In 1954, Israel sponsored bombings against US and UK interests in Cairo aiming to cause trouble between Egypt and the West. This operation, latter dubbed the Lavon Affair cost Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon his job. Israel (where it is known as "The Unfortunate Affair") finally admitted responsibility in 2005.

The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the US Department of Defense for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as hijacking a passenger plane, sinking a U.S. ship, burning crops and blaming such actions on Cuba. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, nixed by John F. Kennedy, came to light through the Freedom of Information Act and was publicized by James Bamford.

Former GRU officer Aleksey Galkin , former FSB officer Alexander Litvinenko and other whistleblowers from the Russian government and security services have asserted that the 1999 Russian apartment bombings that precipitated the Second Chechen War were false flag operations perpetrated by the FSB, the successor organization to the KGB. Galkin has since then, recanted these accusations which he had asserted when a prisoner of Chechen rebels.

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

and how does this proves their is a conspiracy?

emotionally charged entertainment (news) for you to cheer them on to do what they originally planned to do anyway

the conspiracy is that this is a democracy, and the people (you and me) decide on what goes down

but using smoke and mirrors, bait and switch, divide and conquer and more fun techniques we get manipulated into choosing to support terrorism domestic and abroad (in the name of fighting terror lol or whatever else their word for the day is)

see: Pee-Wee's Playhouse
"Today boys and girls our word of the day is: terrorism. Genie you look like a terrorist. He does, doesn't he boys and girls? Note the dark skin and turban on his head?" *breaks out into spontaneous Pee-Wee dancing*

>emotionally charged entertainment (news) for you to cheer
>them on to do what they originally planned to do anyway
>
>the conspiracy is that this is a democracy, and the people
>(you and me) decide on what goes down
>
>but using smoke and mirrors, bait and switch, divide and
>conquer and more fun techniques we get manipulated into
>choosing to support terrorism domestic and abroad (in the name
>of fighting terror lol or whatever else their word for the day
>is)
>
>see: Pee-Wee's Playhouse
>"Today boys and girls our word of the day is: terrorism. Genie
>you look like a terrorist. He does, doesn't he boys and girls?
>Note the dark skin and turban on his head?" *breaks out into
>spontaneous Pee-Wee dancing*

that doesnt prove there is a conspiracy...that is just your hair brained theory with no evidence. but let me guess, the lack of evidence proves their is a conspiracy?

you can't prove something isn't a conspiracy when the conspiracy doesn't present enough facts to disprove...

to say a conspiracy exists is too broad, let's narrow it down a little. or chop them up in chunks

>to say a conspiracy exists is too broad, let's narrow it down
>a little. or chop them up in chunks

wouldn't it be easier for you to just point me to the alex jones website or something?

here you go:
http://tinyurl.com/ysdtz2

>here you go:
>http://tinyurl.com/ysdtz2

lol.

is that State Sponsor terrorism ala 9/11 does exist which in past was considered a conspriacy theory with some. Follow me?

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

9/11 was the inside job that even the insiders are not really sure who is pulling all the strings. I mean in this age of global politics friends and enemies are interchangeable. The Pres. of Iran may just be another player in the grand chess game for all we know. I don't really need to know who or what corporation is in bed with the Bush family, Rockefellers, Saudi's or whoever. That is just kinda redundant. 9/11 is not just about *the war on terror* a new form of wealth creation is arising and the U.S. economy will no longer be the dominant factor. As far as I'm concerned they can carry on with their usury schemes, rumors of war and whateva. People need to start preparing themselves NOW for the day the dollar finally bottoms out.
PEACE

duely noted good sir

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

>9/11 was the inside job that even the insiders are
>not really sure who is pulling all the strings. I mean
>in this age of global politics friends and enemies
>are interchangeable. The Pres. of Iran may just be
>another player in the grand chess game for all we
>know. I don't really need to know who or what
>corporation is in bed with the Bush family, Rockefellers,
>Saudi's or whoever. That is just kinda redundant. 9/11
>is not just about *the war on terror* a new form of
>wealth creation is arising and the U.S. economy will no
> longer be the dominant factor. As far as I'm
>concerned they can carry on with their usury schemes,
>rumors of war and whateva. People need to start
>preparing themselves NOW for the day the dollar finally
>bottoms out.
>PEACE

what grand chess game? what new form of wealth creation? what usury schemes?

prepare for the dollar bottoming out that is?

>prepare for the dollar bottoming out that is?

buy gold

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just curious to hear your answer

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

>just curious to hear your answer

how would i know? i certainly am not a professor of economics, so i couldnt explain how it could be an accident. and i'm not a good enough conspiracy theorist to "prove" that it is by design.

>how would i know? i certainly am not a professor of economics,
>so i couldnt explain how it could be an accident. and i'm not
>a good enough conspiracy theorist to "prove" that it is by
>design.

if someone watches a video or hears someone say something contrary to what we were taught, all we then need to do is research a little to see if it's true. sure there will be times where most of history/past media releases will support the original historical story. But in my experience and I'm sure in Earl's and some others here that most of the time when we look something up in well-known supported stories there is information showing that something else is up.

for example: one conspiracy theory is that the US protected and worked with Nazi scientists after World War II. For years this was not publicly confirmed. But Project Paperclip has since been declassified at
from http://www.archives.gov/iwg/declassified-records/rg-330-defense-secretary/

"Personnel dossiers on over 1,500 German and other foreign scientists, technicians, and engineers who were brought to the United States under Project Paperclip and similar programs. Among the dossiers are those on ... Walter Schreiber, who had been instrumental in medical experiments on concentration camp inmates and who fled the United States to Argentina in 1952 after the appearance of a newspaper column about his activities"

The files for JFK were supposed to be declassified a year or two ago but it was deemed necessary to stay classified. So unless someone leaks info (which is a felony punishable with possible life in prison), there will not be an official report on it or other similar circumstances.

and refuse to question or research because you didn't go to school for economics or don't want to be in the category as a conspriacy theorist?

A perfect American Citzen... gotcha!

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

like how to build shelter, how to use a guns, link with someone who knows a farmer with a ranch or buy some land. Learn how to live off the grid. You know all the stuff the white supremacist groups & jehovah witnesses been doing for the last 20 years.

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Loving Blackness is Revolutionary

In the event of economic collapse I don't believe money
would become completely worthless. I think money will still matter (especially in the northeast). I think there will always be some sort of paper or coin in exchange for goods and services. I think food and other necessities would be bartered while *luxuries* like clothing and or entertainment people would have to pay for. That is what i think would happen.

achieving it is another matter altogether but then again it really is easier when we all pull together

sorta like what you and Richmond are doing for the Natural Day event. That looks like a very positive thing for the black community.

I read an article the other day from this blog http://rastaseed.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/ethiopia-rastafarians-promoting-alternative-farming-method/ and it talked about how rastafarians living in Ethiopia are working to educate the farmers there to produce more crops. They said currently the farmers only grow one type of crop at a time but the land and people would benefit more from multiple types of crops. they said it is not normal for a country to have a famine year after year and that there must be a reason. I'm glad to see them reach out and take Ethiopians to the next level without trying to exploit them like many others in the past.

>Now why would the Iranian President re iterate the same thing
>some Americans have been saying for at least the last 5-7
>years (9/11 was an inside job).

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and why is it more reliable on the happenings of 9/11 then what these so-called nutjobs say?

probably the most convincing was the one popular mechanics did debunking the popular claims of conspiracy theorists

but I'm not about to get into a 9/11 debate, we've had enough of those on here

dope avi, btw

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you can go here and check which major corporation owns which other media companies.
http://www.cjr.org/resources/

Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Corporation who also partially owns the A&E/History channels.

A lot of times in Time magazine they big up Sanjay Gupta and give him articles about different hot button topics. Time is owned by Time-Warner who owns CNN where Gupta is the resident doctor.

we don't know who owns what so we just take them at their word for it when we see it. but when it gets broken down by corporation and we follow the money trail a lot of different things get exposed that we wouldn't normally see. because ultimately with companies the bottom line is the maximum profit they can make and they don't care how that happens. and market research shows that whatever gets the most time in our lives impacts us the most which is why there is more commercials and soundbites than ever before. so when gupta speaks on CNN, Time mag and in the bookstore we inherently trust him more than some indie even though he's basically product placement

thanks on the avi, gotta love the garbage pail kids

No more, no less...

Amazing that a magazine can have soooooo much creditability.

But then again, Newsweek doesn't think there isn't a possiblity of the North American Union forming so go figure family.

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

Get the money and the truth will be clearly visible!

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Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
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that way we can not be ignorant and repeat that cycle that you displayed

If you were happy, you would have nothing to complain about.

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Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

"How could I enjoy sipping champagne, by the pool, on my private island, knowing that the dispossessed are dying for lack of clean drinking water? 1.2 billion malnourished children do not appear to prick Baron Rothschild’s conscience. Half the globe is laid prostrate on the ground, barely surviving and unable to progress, because Rothschild’s are hording all the gold."
- by Hazel W.M. McKinlay

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again.

However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money."
- Sir Josiah Stamp, Director of the Bank of England (appointed 1928). Reputed to be the 2nd wealthiest man in England at that time.

>"How could I enjoy sipping champagne, by the pool, on my
>private island, knowing that the dispossessed are dying for
>lack of clean drinking water?
Money is one tool of power. I have learned to be wary of folks who hold such archaic views such as money is the root of all evil and money does not make people happy(oh it does).... I mean if you was as rich as Oprah you could build some wells in undeveloped countries? Understand what I am saying?

but money also breeds bigger problems as well. I think it really on the person. I don't think money can make one happy but it can help with all of the frustrations and sadness that comes with not having it

Money is a tool of power. Other tools are violence and knowledge. Nationalism has led to the state having a monopoly on violence(i don't mean just Usreal but all governments). So the only thing that us ordinary people can use are knowledge and money. There are other sources of power but they all still stem from either money, violence or knowledge.

How can you be happy when all of the world's problems have not been solved?

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Of course it is but its power lies with its relationship to things that have value. It would not even matter if *money* were seashells instead of dead trees, i just don't think we can be totally dismissive of what it represents.

and that one needs joy/peace that comes from within

If everyone of us was focused on solving the world's problems (vs getting rich) the world would be a better place. It will never be perfect, but history shows the rich by greed are the ones making the world worse.

Sure I could be a crazy guy and go blow up a building killing a bunch of people but rich people have the power to alter social systems which can damage lives for years.

>a bunch of people but rich people have the power to alter
>social systems which can damage lives for years.

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck

n/m

yessir.

"It leaves one speechless. It is misguided, misinformed rhetoric. I can't tell you whether or not it is something he truly believes or if this is just a warped attempt to try to shape public opinion..."
-That's how I feel when people try to tell me fire leveled 2 skyscrapers and a building next to them when that's never happened before in HISTORY

Sunngood
Stavaskian.. (can never spell that right)
McDeezJawns.

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
Maurice Maeterlinck