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AquamansWrath
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"White folks and the gay thing..."


  

          

Aren't they the last mufuckas to be telling anyone wassup?
I mean they still have color issues, yet they are ready to tell us about what's on point? Hmmm? Considering they have yet to truly deal with the Catholic Church and it's molestation agenda, or the unbalanced jailing of black men, or just all the hidden race laws at play... how on earth, or why on earth do they feel they should be the ones updating anyone on what's kosher? Also, considering all the other parallel items mentioned isn't that some extra bold shit?
I'm all for equality, just because someone prefers a certain type of sex or prefers to spend thier time with someone it's a no brainer they should be excluded against... however, in a country that has yet to elect ANYONE other than a white man as thier leader... or their second in charge... or in a country that chooses to overlook all the injustice they have committed to people of color FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS yet will throw Oj in your face quick... are these really the people who should be commenting? Thoughts?
It amazes me how feverish they are about this...
yet how dumb they play when it's a real race relations issue
"the alleged incident by New York City Police in Queens"
"investigators now say there is a fourth person"
"the alleged Rodney King beatings"...
yet they hang niggaz out to dry over calling someone a faggot?

White people, ask yourselves a real question.
How often do your family members use the term nigga?
If you married a big ol black nigga from the hood, how would that upset your comfort zone with family and friends?
Does your white family or friends have a picture of jesus as a black man in their house?
Would they be open to falling on thier knees to a black jesus in their house?
how would you feel about your mother remarrying to a mufucaka named
Joseph "June Bug" Jenkins?

To me, this is just white folks playing the motherfuckig victim card whenever they can... like they have been the leaders of all things politically correct. Please. Some real live bullshit really.
Thoughts?

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Subject Author Message Date ID
When Jesus walks
Feb 16th 2007
1
ha yeah and they'll say he's a gang member
Feb 19th 2007
43
      LOL!
Feb 22nd 2007
101
SPEAK.ON.IT.
Feb 16th 2007
2
RE: SPEAK.ON.IT.
Feb 16th 2007
5
ahhh Friday entertainment
Feb 16th 2007
3
Nah more like this.
Feb 16th 2007
6
      mmhmm
Feb 16th 2007
7
      no please comment... don't be a coward.
Feb 16th 2007
8
           Exactly, couldn't do nothing then without a sheet over your head
Feb 16th 2007
10
           sorry I couldnt respond to your buffoonery instantly
Feb 16th 2007
13
                Bufoonery that you take time to find and respond to? I doubt it.
Feb 20th 2007
47
           A: Your history of oversimplified generalizations
Feb 16th 2007
11
                ya wanna know why... cause white people think all black people
Feb 16th 2007
14
                     So um Katrina was Aqua's fault too?
Feb 16th 2007
16
                     keep waiting
Feb 16th 2007
21
                     I really don't understand why or how
Feb 19th 2007
44
                     I Didnt read the whole response because once again you started
Feb 16th 2007
20
                          Yawn, you are.
Feb 20th 2007
48
      Yea..
Feb 24th 2007
212
RE: White folks and the gay thing...
Feb 16th 2007
4
your notions are quaint and amusing
Feb 16th 2007
9
Hmm. Yeah, cause Aqua created the race thing.
Feb 16th 2007
12
      i only used that avatar for a one time joke
Feb 16th 2007
18
           its a game created by japanese folks
Feb 16th 2007
19
           a tibetan monk? lol. Sure.
Feb 20th 2007
49
                wikipedia says the character was from India
Feb 20th 2007
67
                     Dhalsim and Racism in America
Feb 22nd 2007
98
One thing I like about your posts is
Feb 16th 2007
15
Bingo...
Feb 16th 2007
17
      RE: Bingo...
Feb 18th 2007
34
           Actually the numbers were around 11 million.
Feb 19th 2007
41
           Also African/Germans
Feb 19th 2007
45
           yeah, all of the african germans of the 40's
Feb 22nd 2007
99
                RE: yeah, all of the african germans of the 40's
Feb 22nd 2007
100
                     How many Africans lived in germany during the 40's?
Feb 22nd 2007
106
                          Does it matter? Weren't they humans? How many Jews lived
Feb 23rd 2007
110
                               ahh, go die in a corner....
Feb 24th 2007
207
                                    why don't you help him
Mar 05th 2007
273
                                         too eager... right...
Mar 06th 2007
274
           a holocaust is a holocaust...
Feb 20th 2007
50
RE: White folks and the gay thing...
Feb 16th 2007
22
Oh oh
Feb 16th 2007
24
      RE: Oh oh
Feb 16th 2007
26
RE: White folks and the gay thing...
Feb 16th 2007
23
Please grow up and GET REAL.
Feb 16th 2007
25
RE: White folks and the gay thing...
Feb 16th 2007
27
Your slow.
Feb 20th 2007
51
      no, YOU'RE slow
Mar 01st 2007
264
           right.. thanks.
Mar 01st 2007
265
I think Aqua's point was missed by a few of you.
Feb 17th 2007
28
RE: I think Aqua's point was missed by a few of you.
Feb 18th 2007
31
A little Michael Richards in me? Or America in me?
Feb 20th 2007
52
Pathetic/childish insinuations about Gays.
Feb 19th 2007
42
Exactly... Bingo... Finally...
Feb 20th 2007
46
he's implying that isaiahs bigotism is okay because racism exists
Feb 21st 2007
70
RE: White folks and the gay thing...
Feb 17th 2007
29
RE: White folks and the gay thing...
Feb 17th 2007
30
Yawn.
Feb 20th 2007
53
I know what your sayin...
Feb 18th 2007
32
this post is ignorant as fuck
Feb 18th 2007
33
RE: this post is ignorant as fuck
Feb 18th 2007
35
      RE: this post is ignorant as fuck
Feb 18th 2007
36
      RE: this post is ignorant as fuck
Feb 18th 2007
37
      This is what I was getting at.
Feb 18th 2007
39
      Yawn.
Feb 20th 2007
54
i dont understand this post, starting with the title.
Feb 18th 2007
38
RE: i dont understand this post, starting with the title.
Feb 19th 2007
40
      Little update for ya...
Feb 20th 2007
55
      ^ STILL doesn't GET that Gays are NOT Child Molesters!
Feb 20th 2007
56
      You are a clown, I never said being gay meant being
Feb 20th 2007
59
           and please... POINT OUT WHERE I said being gay meant
Feb 20th 2007
61
           ^ Then WHY is the "Catholic Church Molestation Agenda" discussed here?
Feb 20th 2007
62
                Exactly you are a LIAR.
Feb 20th 2007
63
                Catholic molestation is a reality and a far cry from saying that
Feb 20th 2007
64
      basically you want white people to love you.
Feb 20th 2007
58
      its when discrimination is institutionalised that it becomes a problem
Feb 20th 2007
57
           Yawn, re read.
Feb 20th 2007
60
                no, i think the issue here is that
Feb 21st 2007
69
                     yawn.
Feb 21st 2007
74
                     This is exactly is point.
Feb 21st 2007
92
                          who is they?
Feb 22nd 2007
94
                               Actually it was his heterosexual colleagues who called him out
Feb 22nd 2007
97
You better RE-state your point.
Feb 20th 2007
65
Nah you better play catch up... how about that...
Feb 20th 2007
66
^^ Tit 4 tat....thats BRILLIANT...
Feb 20th 2007
68
Tit 4 Tat, MONEY YOU ARE A LIAR... AND i CALLED YOU OUT
Feb 21st 2007
78
Usually I agree with you...
Feb 21st 2007
71
yes i forgot to mention this.
Feb 21st 2007
72
an article about hardaway's comments...
Feb 21st 2007
73
now go back in this post where I said Hardaway is an ass...
Feb 21st 2007
77
      RE: now go back in this post where I said Hardaway is an ass...
Feb 21st 2007
89
please show me where I said that... see the issue here?
Feb 21st 2007
76
nah not even... you see first...
Feb 21st 2007
75
      Then don't bring up the Gay Issue AT ALL...
Feb 21st 2007
79
      Um, Money your a LIAR... and I can Speak on Whatever I chose
Feb 21st 2007
80
      ...
Feb 21st 2007
81
      I don't mind responding, just don't LIE on me... it's really simple...
Feb 21st 2007
83
           Got it.
Feb 21st 2007
86
                Gay people in general regardless of color have a foundation
Feb 21st 2007
88
                So,WHAT IS Isiah's "side of the story"?...he HATES Gays...and?
Feb 21st 2007
93
                Ahem...
Feb 23rd 2007
203
                     Wow,nice find. Respect...
Feb 24th 2007
213
                          One benefit of being...
Feb 24th 2007
214
      RE: nah not even... you see first...
Feb 21st 2007
82
           those responses weren't for you money, it was for Isotope.
Feb 21st 2007
84
You whine too damn much...
Feb 21st 2007
85
Leave it to you, you'd rather us not speak at all...
Feb 21st 2007
87
RE: White folks and the gay thing...
Feb 21st 2007
90
which brings me to the whole point about Self Eval...
Feb 21st 2007
91
So,WHAT IS Isiah's "side of the story"?...he HATES Gays...and?
Feb 22nd 2007
95
Um... see why are you lying .. . AGAIN?
Feb 22nd 2007
96
^ Are you kidding me?
Feb 22nd 2007
102
      Yet you didn't answer the question now did you?
Feb 22nd 2007
103
           ^ Nope..NO ONE in my family uses the 'n' word..
Feb 22nd 2007
109
                Is there anyway to prove it though?
Feb 23rd 2007
114
                     I wouldn't say everyone is a racist... however ...
Feb 23rd 2007
116
                     RE: I wouldn't say everyone is a racist... however ...
Feb 23rd 2007
120
                          Good point actually about Guilt... if it leads to action... true talk...
Feb 23rd 2007
122
                               I mean action...in real life though
Feb 23rd 2007
124
                                    Agreed... nor do I wanna hear... I eat granola bars and love hiphop
Feb 23rd 2007
128
                     ^ WOW..you are a MOD?
Feb 23rd 2007
131
                          Indeed I am
Feb 23rd 2007
133
                          Exactly...
Feb 23rd 2007
136
                               Why are ya'll messing with me?
Feb 23rd 2007
138
                                    I was talking to Isotope not you...
Feb 23rd 2007
142
                          Her point was that most people have preconcieved notions of
Feb 23rd 2007
134
Racism and Homophobia isn't exactly the same thing
Feb 22nd 2007
104
      and you see this is why I bring up Oj... look at his response..
Feb 22nd 2007
105
           and not to mention
Feb 22nd 2007
107
                Bingo. Exactly.
Feb 23rd 2007
111
                     Question for the both of ya'll
Feb 23rd 2007
113
                          Who said we hate anyone? I never used the word WHITEY
Feb 23rd 2007
115
                          Riiiiight
Feb 23rd 2007
119
                               How is saying whitey being strategic?
Feb 23rd 2007
127
                                    Whitey refers to The Man
Feb 23rd 2007
129
                                         i know what it means but this aint the 60's...
Feb 23rd 2007
130
                                              Oh, yes it is.
Feb 23rd 2007
135
                                                   hahaha... true but my point is this...
Feb 23rd 2007
139
                          If you're refering to my RIP post
Feb 23rd 2007
123
                               I wasn't
Feb 23rd 2007
125
                               oh
Feb 23rd 2007
162
                               As far as Anna Nicole, that is fair to bring it up cause it shows you
Feb 23rd 2007
132
                                    Show me proof
Feb 23rd 2007
137
                                         proof of what?
Feb 23rd 2007
140
                                              RE: proof of what?
Feb 23rd 2007
144
                                                   but you see that's my point.. .it's ALL a theory whether it's
Feb 23rd 2007
145
                                                   all you have to do is pay attention
Feb 23rd 2007
166
                                                        Bingo.
Feb 23rd 2007
167
                                                        That's not proof though
Feb 23rd 2007
174
                                                             you don't trust your own consciousness.....?????
Feb 23rd 2007
177
                                                                  hahaha...
Feb 23rd 2007
178
                                                                  What does consciousness have to do with proof?
Feb 23rd 2007
185
                                                                       Do you need proof to know if it's hot or cold outside
Feb 23rd 2007
187
                                                                            exactly...
Feb 23rd 2007
191
                                                                            What the does this have to do with anything?
Feb 23rd 2007
195
                                                                                 RE: What the does this have to do with anything?
Feb 23rd 2007
198
                                                                                      Exhibit A (this happens to be my office desktop)
Feb 23rd 2007
199
                                                                                      You do realize you are responding to a digital artist/teacher?
Feb 23rd 2007
200
                                                                                           Well then you should know better
Feb 23rd 2007
201
                                                                                           You keep missing my quote
Feb 23rd 2007
202
                                                                                           Exactly you've proved my point
Feb 23rd 2007
204
                                                                                           Im in love
Feb 24th 2007
208
RE: White folks and the gay thing...
Feb 22nd 2007
108
Hmm... so I guess the White Power Structure doesn't have rules?
Feb 23rd 2007
112
      RE: Hmm... so I guess the White Power Structure doesn't have rules?
Feb 23rd 2007
117
           hahaha... that's it? If you spent this much time discussing the issues
Feb 23rd 2007
118
                RE: hahaha... that's it? If you spent this much time discussing the iss...
Feb 24th 2007
209
                     Here... I swear ya'll get straight salty fighting for attention..here mo...
Feb 26th 2007
220
                          RE: Here... I swear ya'll get straight salty fighting for attention..her...
Feb 26th 2007
232
                               NOT WHEN THE QUESTION IS ABOUT ME... AND NOT THE
Feb 27th 2007
249
Thoughts
Feb 23rd 2007
121
Thank GOD for The Sauce... this is what I'm talking about...
Feb 23rd 2007
126
OkPlayer has lost its BRAIN.
Feb 23rd 2007
141
Isotope your a fucking LIAR... she NEVER said that...
Feb 23rd 2007
143
Yes I did and I stand by it
Feb 23rd 2007
147
exactly.
Feb 23rd 2007
150
^ Nice work..
Feb 23rd 2007
161
      first off... WHERE DOES THIS POST SAY ISOTOPE IS A RACIST?
Feb 23rd 2007
163
      What are you trying to prove? And to whom?
Feb 23rd 2007
172
I am NOT racist.
Feb 23rd 2007
149
      Who cares you are a LIAR.
Feb 23rd 2007
151
      You are an idiot, however
Mar 03rd 2007
268
#129
Feb 23rd 2007
146
      that's not what he's referring to.. he's referring to your statement
Feb 23rd 2007
148
      lmao...I can defend my statement
Feb 23rd 2007
152
           I just hate liars yo... I mean damn...
Feb 23rd 2007
153
                Notice how we're not discussing gay folks, anymore
Feb 23rd 2007
154
                     Excatly... that's my point... okay back to the topic at hand...
Feb 23rd 2007
155
                          lmao
Feb 23rd 2007
156
                               Exactly.
Feb 23rd 2007
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                                    RE: Exactly.
Feb 23rd 2007
158
      RE: #129
Feb 23rd 2007
159
           WHAT???? HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT?
Feb 23rd 2007
164
           RE: #129
Feb 23rd 2007
169
Back on TOPIC-I'm still curious about Isiahs "side of the story"...
Feb 23rd 2007
160
just caue nettrice is black don't mean Isiah lives with her or some shit
Feb 23rd 2007
165
      This whole exchange is heelarious
Feb 23rd 2007
173
           well let's go back to the issues.. .question...
Feb 23rd 2007
176
                RE: well let's go back to the issues.. .question...
Feb 23rd 2007
188
I'm just curious-what does she think about Isiahs comments..?
Feb 23rd 2007
168
lol...your isshews are showing
Feb 23rd 2007
170
I don't think one portion of that statement is true...
Feb 23rd 2007
175
RE: lol...your isshews are showing
Feb 23rd 2007
179
      Haven't you heard?
Feb 23rd 2007
184
           STILL ZERO DIRECT commentary on Isiah.
Feb 23rd 2007
190
                Are you slow money? I mean for real... I think we answered your
Feb 23rd 2007
192
                Here's your answer...take it or leave it
Feb 23rd 2007
194
Probably cause your silly ass kirked out when I asked it... so.
Feb 23rd 2007
171
      I already discussed my family much more than I care to..
Feb 23rd 2007
180
           Oh I did? Where did I say that? There you go lying again...
Feb 23rd 2007
181
                YOu don't have the GUTS to SAY what you MEAN.
Feb 23rd 2007
182
                     Um... let me show you how ridiculous you are...
Feb 23rd 2007
183
AGAIN..WHAT IS his "side of the story"..he HATES gays...and?
Feb 23rd 2007
186
Um... you are a clown... sorry man your not even of sound mind...
Feb 23rd 2007
189
      So,there is a Gay Bashing "side to the story",right?
Feb 23rd 2007
193
           RE: So,there is a Gay Bashing "side to the story",right?
Feb 23rd 2007
196
Whats Hardaways' "side of the story"?
Feb 23rd 2007
197
Aqua -isms...
Feb 23rd 2007
205
^ And we have a Mod coming to Aqua's aid.
Feb 24th 2007
210
What?
Feb 24th 2007
211
It was actually the other way around
Feb 25th 2007
215
      Yu like those Aqua-ism's,Nettrice?
Feb 25th 2007
216
Everything you said is a LIE.
Feb 26th 2007
218
      RE: Everything you said is a LIE.
Feb 26th 2007
224
           Let's discuss THIS post... I'm here waiting on you.
Feb 26th 2007
226
                RE: Let's discuss THIS post... I'm here waiting on you.
Feb 26th 2007
227
                     RE: Let's discuss THIS post... I'm here waiting on you.
Feb 26th 2007
228
                          RE: Let's discuss THIS post... I'm here waiting on you.
Feb 26th 2007
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                               RE: Let's discuss THIS post... I'm here waiting on you.
Feb 26th 2007
236
                                    RE: Let's discuss THIS post... I'm here waiting on you.
Feb 26th 2007
240
                                         response...
Feb 27th 2007
247
A Week away from OKP, and this post is still pure entertainment
Feb 23rd 2007
206
You are a liar you are here everyday, religiously looking for attn.
Feb 26th 2007
221
      Post dates don't lie...I wasnt here...and you're insane
Feb 26th 2007
243
           Right... as if you hold an ounce of weight... hahaha.. um... right...
Feb 27th 2007
248
                So you admit that post dates, unlike you, do not lie
Feb 27th 2007
260
I see Moonlit Force has nailed Aqua ...
Feb 26th 2007
217
Maybe in the White Boy World of SPinning cause those were lies
Feb 26th 2007
219
      So,Moonlit Force was LYING?
Feb 26th 2007
222
           RE: So,Moonlit Force was LYING?
Feb 26th 2007
223
                cause of context... Isotope has already been blown out the water...
Feb 26th 2007
225
                     RE: cause of context... Isotope has already been blown out the water...
Feb 26th 2007
229
                          Yes cause that is not from THIS post... again...
Feb 26th 2007
233
                               RE: Yes cause that is not from THIS post... again...
Feb 26th 2007
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                                    RE: Yes cause that is not from THIS post... again...
Feb 26th 2007
239
^ sssSLAM dunk..
Feb 26th 2007
230
yawn.. hardly.
Feb 26th 2007
234
      ^ yeah-I'm here "seeking validation" from a closet homophobe.
Feb 26th 2007
235
      Right, me Oj, Isiah Washington... right..... lol.. keep searching...
Feb 26th 2007
237
      RE: yawn.. hardly.
Feb 26th 2007
241
           guess aqua thinks he's kidding someone..
Feb 26th 2007
242
           Man, your supposed to have his back
Feb 26th 2007
244
           green containters? lol
Feb 27th 2007
250
                RE: green containters? lol
Feb 27th 2007
251
                     yep...
Feb 27th 2007
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                          RE: yep...
Feb 27th 2007
254
           Uh... I was on here building with dude and I left...
Feb 27th 2007
246
           thinned out? So you are now the voice of all gays ? lol...
Feb 27th 2007
245
                ^ Something wrong with what Moonlit said?
Feb 27th 2007
253
                he's not defending gays cause WE BOTH AGREE on mostly
Feb 27th 2007
255
                     'bout ready to bounce...
Feb 27th 2007
259
                          money you are a straight clown...
Feb 28th 2007
263
                RE: thinned out? So you are now the voice of all gays ? lol...
Feb 27th 2007
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                     RE: thinned out? So you are now the voice of all gays ? lol...
Feb 27th 2007
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                          RE: thinned out? So you are now the voice of all gays ? lol...
Feb 27th 2007
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                               RE: thinned out? So you are now the voice of all gays ? lol...
Feb 28th 2007
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                                    it needed to be discussed...
Feb 28th 2007
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                                         RE: it needed to be discussed...
Mar 01st 2007
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                                         true I got you...
Mar 05th 2007
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                                         RE: it needed to be discussed...
Mar 03rd 2007
269
                                              criticism from hetero lips is always called 'homophobia'...
Mar 05th 2007
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RE: White folks and the gay thing...
Mar 02nd 2007
267
and the mass media gets thier opinions from whom normally?
Mar 05th 2007
272

Earl Flynn
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1. "When Jesus walks"
In response to Reply # 0
Fri Feb-16-07 12:54 PM by Earl Flynn

  

          

do you think they'll call em a nigger?



Oh yeah and don't forget New Orleans...


  

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43. "ha yeah and they'll say he's a gang member"
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AquamansWrath
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101. "LOL!"
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Just saw this... hella funny.

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Who's fucking wit B More right now?

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Airbreed
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2. "SPEAK.ON.IT."
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gotDAMN!!...i love your posts.

  

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AquamansWrath
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5. "RE: SPEAK.ON.IT."
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Such a huge double standard...
considering

all the black men cops are still killing
profiling
how the media depicts blacks
how the media turned it's back on New Orleans with the exception of NBC nightly news (love it)
how white folks are still trivialized by Oj as if it's their first Fisher Price experience with the failed justice system.
How they invaded Iraq and now are talking about invaded IRAN...
and they got the nerve to tell someone what they should not SAY????

Their own religion raped thousands of children...
they never even dealt with that shit.
Un. Fucking. Real.
Mind you Hardaway is an ass... he is..
however, if you have treated people of color as less than but seem to have a strong hardline on this issue... what a fucking piece of work.

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Wardolphin.com
Afropunk.com
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mcdeezjawns
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3. "ahhh Friday entertainment"
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Fri Feb-16-07 01:14 PM by mcdeezjawns

  

          

thanks for this...
and an OJ mention too!


I suppose this is White peoples fault too huh?
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20070214T220000-0500_119155_OBS_COPS_SAVE_THREE_ALLEGED_HOMOSEXUALS_FROM_ANGRY_CROWD.asp

  

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6. "Nah more like this."
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Fri Feb-16-07 03:51 PM by AquamansWrath

  

          

http://www.muhammadspeaks.com/lynchings.gif

http://www.historicaldocuments.com/BloodRedLynchings.jpg

http://www.tightrope.cc/imagefiles/93.jpg

http://www.mereislam.info/images/Lynching-in-America_Florida-1935.jpg

http://www.liu.edu/CWIS/CWP/library/african/2000/lynch_4.jpg

no worries, it was only our grandfathers.


follow this chart if you need numbers.
http://words.grubbykid.com/images/20050615-lynch_by_state.jpg

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7. "mmhmm"
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informative as always


  

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8. "no please comment... don't be a coward."
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it's only fitting.
Please... the floor is all yours.
Considering we all know how you get down.

Here, I'll wait.

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10. "Exactly, couldn't do nothing then without a sheet over your head"
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and you still can't.

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13. "sorry I couldnt respond to your buffoonery instantly"
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I was Ironing my sheet for my klan meeting...and i'm running out of starch, so its real hard to get my hood to stay pointy

Yeah,all white folks are in the klan...Of course, my family is Catholic...and we all know the Klan embraced those catholics with open arms

money

  

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47. "Bufoonery that you take time to find and respond to? I doubt it."
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Highly.
You'll be here tomorrow.
LOL.

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11. "A: Your history of oversimplified generalizations"
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negates anything of substance you by chance bring to the table

B: I don't tell people how they should think. If people want to be ignorant, thats their choice...People dont like gays, fuck it, I dont care...People dont like black folks, fuck it, I dont care..I do me
and doing me means I am accepting and tolerant of ALL peoples. It also means im not simple minded enough to complain about one group of people generalizing about another all the time, and then turning around and saying "White people, explain this" or "white people, we all know how you do"

I dont say things like "black people explain yourselves" or whatever

C: I find it ironic that you would post a picture of black people being lynched in response to a group of gay men being lynched...What was your point with that?(not that you usually have one)

I just find it ironic that a number of people who have suffered prejudice, bigotry, and hatred, would be real quick to turn around and condemn another group of people under the same guise


.
>Considering we all know how you get down.

yeah, what I do is point you out for the mindless fraud that you are
You gonna go running to nettrice now and ask her to step in and do something?

just another example of how much of a hypocrite you are

But I am thankful of one thing...
24 hours did not go by without you working OJ into one of your posts


OJ
OJ
OJ
OJ
OJ


thanks for the friday afternoon chuckles though
I was quite bored

btw you also typed this:
"it's a no brainer they should be excluded against"
who's the closed minded one now?

  

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14. "ya wanna know why... cause white people think all black people"
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all asians
all people of color think alike.
Plus, white folks don't live in reality.

Black folks... if you work in an office enviornment, how often have white folks come to you to find out the name of the latest hiphop song?
How often have you been put in a box?
If your the one black friend in a crew of whites... when you go to the black hood... who do they count on for slangular translation?
Right?
How often do white folks turn to you when one thing of race happens?
Why are blacks and whites polarized when it comes to the Oj issue?
No? I mention Oj and you try to:
supress it...
tell me to forget about it...
claim that there was no polarization of the races when anyone in thier right minds no better...
it amazes me how white folks know 'in thier heart' he was guilty...
despite the fact we know for a fact, thanks to a documentary on crooked cops... that Marc Furman has a career of, as he put it 'setting up rich and famous niggers'. Yet that doesn't matter.
Does it?
I love how you motherfuckers do all this foul shit in the world
and when a mufucka calls you out on it...
you play dumb
you try to ante up your 'verbage' like it somehow washes the real away..
how quick are white folks ready to play the white card when it saves your ass. Please, this is a racist country... there is not a fucking thing you can say otherwise.

Bob Marley has a wonderful expression
He who feels it
knows it.


Bottom line all white people aren't guilty... no sir not at all...
however, I deal with a simplified version of the story cause there's nothing complex about you at all. That's your smokescreen as if to justify or to counter ...
please.
The minds of children.
With all due respect.

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16. "So um Katrina was Aqua's fault too?"
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Cops in Queens?
Cops in Bmore?
Cops everywhere?
The prison rate?
The unemployment rate?
The climate and treatment of Muslims wordlwide?
The fraudulent elections?
The school systems in inner city schools?

yeah you see, what's so overly simplified to you is killing everyone else. Take your time on the response, I know you want your king's english to be polished... i prefer that ghetto shit...
it's more powerful than that shit anyway.
I'll wait tho'.

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21. "keep waiting"
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when you provide a post with enough substance the deserve the effort, you'll get your well thought out response

until then...


Keep assuming you know each and every white person, and how they think, simply because they havent provided you with a resume on how they feel about each and every aspect you choose to discuss

assume that we all feel that black folks should speak "the kings english" and whatever else you want
I'll work on my resume which tells Aqua how I as a white male feel about all pertinent discussions that will come up in the future

  

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44. "I really don't understand why or how"
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you bother going back and forth with someone who basically has no understand nor desire to understand or simply realize the history of this country and European greed to non-Euros. It's really such a waste of time and finger movement to the point that I can't tell if you posting for our awareness or for his baseless, useless, shitfilled replies.

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20. "I Didnt read the whole response because once again you started"
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out with "because white people"
as if we are a monolithic group who all think alike

The double standards with you never cease to amaze or entertain me

Now, let a white person generalize about black folks as a whole...hoooooo

But you feel free too
it really helps your "arguments"

  

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48. "Yawn, you are."
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Lol.

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212. "Yea.."
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Peace God...Thanks for those pictures and everything, them shits will come in handy some day...no doubt...Here's a link to some craka ass mutha fuckas idea of Blak culture you might find funny...fuckin' faggot mutha fuckas...

http://www.resist.com/CARTOON%20GALLERY/NIGGERS/page_0001.html

I hate these hoe-bitches, you always gotta get severely murderous wid they ugly mutha fuckin' ass and kill deez faggot mutha fuckas!

Oh...and here's another link I think you might find entertaining...

http://secretsatanicgovernment.ytmnd.com/

And that shit is real...

  

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4. "RE: White folks and the gay thing..."
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Are we waiting on a white guy to respond?

Maybe a white gay Jew male?

This topic seems to have popped up A LOT around here. I'm just waiting for the response though. hm.

  

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9. "your notions are quaint and amusing"
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the notion that all political comment is a dialogue between races, each voice speaking on behalf of their race and addressing the others

and the idea that there should be a prioritized timetable of liberties to bestow / ills to cure etc. let's pen gay rights in for the 2030s, we get a lot to get through before then, sheesh

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Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

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12. "Hmm. Yeah, cause Aqua created the race thing."
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The Race card.
The prison system.
I guess Aqua was also responsible for all the mass exodus of white folks who moved to the suburbs when integration was legalized.
Oh and yeah that avi, that's another white man's stereotype of what a jungle bunny should look like. Yes I know it's a game.
However you white folks also try to tell me the Redskins is just a mascot. Who's funny now?
It's the simple, so called educated racist that worries me.
Ya know. When the devil says 'hey nothing is going on here' sorta like when the devil said "they have wmd's" ya know.

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18. "i only used that avatar for a one time joke"
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namely 'your arms are too short to box with dahlsim'
i think the character is supposed to be more like a tibetan monk anyway
i'll change it if it offends you

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19. "its a game created by japanese folks"
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but we'll just go with blaming white people on that one too

  

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49. "a tibetan monk? lol. Sure."
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and Shaq is a Yoruba High Priest.

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67. "wikipedia says the character was from India"
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and has elements of hindu and buddhist culture

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98. "Dhalsim and Racism in America"
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This is an essay about the obvious connection between the video game character Dhalsim (from the game Street Fighter II) and racism towards blacks,Asians,hispanics,gays and any other person who does not have white skin and shops at wallmart.

Dhalsim, with his ravishing tattoo's and "native" attire, is a pure symbol on how white people see the world, and other races especially.
Aside the white characters in the game as Guile and Ken who are dressed fashionably and respectably, it is obvious that the white creators of the game are sending a subliminal message to opinion makers worldwide and saying, loud and clear : All other races aside White are savages,weirdos,freaks,mentally retarded (Blanka) and inferior (Balrog).


Regardless to the fact that he can extend his arms several feet and spit fire...Dhalsim is in the core of racism in america today.
The support and blindness of over 20 million consumers buying and supporting the racist views of "Street Fighter II" is what is eating to the core of american society.



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15. "One thing I like about your posts is"
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alot of the subject matter you deal
with is based on what many people
think about but seldom discuss aloud
for fear of being perceived as politically
incorrect or generalizing. Well, I should
say issues afraid to discuss around thin
skinned white people, considering such matters
ARE talked about within the black community.

It's like white people who get all teary-eyed
over the Holocaust but could give a damn about
some poor black child in the ghetto who doesn't
have access to healthcare and a good education.
These are folks of the same self-righteous ilk
who speed through the ghetto to get to a "FREE
TIBET" benefit concert.

Believe there are individuals on here who know
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17. "Bingo..."
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Exactly. I deal with real human emotions, not paperwork.
Not justified holocausts.
I love how they will beat the Jewish holocuast over your head yet there is a holocaust going on right here in our neighborhoods yet they will tell me everything is fine.
The problem?
We don't deal with them as we should. It's like when your child doesn't listen and you allow it to go on and on... it will become a problem.

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34. "RE: Bingo..."
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>I love how they will beat the Jewish holocuast over your head
>yet there is a holocaust going on right here in our
>neighborhoods yet they will tell me everything is fine.

You don't mean to compare the genocide of six million jews, gays, gypsys, and anybody who wasn't Arian, to the ghettos of America, do you?

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41. "Actually the numbers were around 11 million."
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6 million Jews + the 5 million
(Poles, Slavs, Gypsies, etc.)
commonly referred to as the
"Forgotten Ones".

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45. "Also African/Germans"
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99. "yeah, all of the african germans of the 40's"
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100. "RE: yeah, all of the african germans of the 40's"
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Black people who lived in Germany is what he's trying to say..

I'm starting to think that when it comes to white dudes...

they either reply on some sincere action
or are just dumb asses trying to be smart asses...
I mean this is just too consistant...
Is it so fucking hard to just chime in and offer your perspective?
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106. "How many Africans lived in germany during the 40's?"
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110. "Does it matter? Weren't they humans? How many Jews lived"
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in Africa when they were taken into slavery?
I mean please money stop acting like the Jewish holocaust is the worst thing that ever happened in this world... sure it's definitely one of the worst... but have you ever heard of the Native American Holocaust, the African Slavery Holocaust? The Asian Holocaust in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It doesn't matter, they were human beings you fucking child.

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207. "ahh, go die in a corner...."
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I dont even write anything, and your already putting words in my mouth...huffing and puffing like a dog on a leash...
Ignorant dellusional fuck...

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273. "why don't you help him"
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you seem eager.

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274. "too eager... right..."
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but not living in the moutains anymore can do that to em...

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50. "a holocaust is a holocaust..."
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and considering you completely overlooked the 100 million from the slave trade maybe now is a good time to bring you up to speed?
That holocaust never ended...
what if the Third Riech still existed and functioned as a political party... and still ran Germany, how would you feel then?
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22. "RE: White folks and the gay thing..."
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>White people, ask yourselves a real question.
>How often do your family members use the term nigga?
Never

>If you married a big ol black nigga from the hood, how would
>that upset your comfort zone with family and friends?
Wouldn't care. Though my mom is kinda old school and would prefer me to marry a Jewish girl.

>Does your white family or friends have a picture of jesus as a
>black man in their house?
We don't have any pictures of Jesus in my house.

>Would they be open to falling on thier knees to a black jesus
>in their house?
I guess so, but we'd be pretty fucked in that case, huh?

>how would you feel about your mother remarrying to a mufucaka
>named
>Joseph "June Bug" Jenkins?
Would I get free crack out of it?

I mean shit, you act as if all white people harbor some secret joy in the plight of blacks. My dad got Flav off on a gun charge right before Public Enemy got big and told me about cops who broke their hand beating his clients and called it "assaulting a police officer." I don't think my family or I fit in the plan of white supremacy.

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24. "Oh oh"
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>My dad got Flav off on a gun
>charge right before Public Enemy got big and told me about
>cops who broke their hand beating his clients and called it
>"assaulting a police officer." I don't think my family or I
>fit in the plan of white supremacy.

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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26. "RE: Oh oh"
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I'm not trying to sound too down or anything, but I may as well provide some kind of insight as to why my family wouldn't be involved in some devilry.

"Can the entire middle section of America please secede from our union and take their bibles and donkeys with them?????"

  

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23. "RE: White folks and the gay thing..."
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yo

im white and none of the things you describe that "white people do" i do...
so why are you so angry?

  

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25. "Please grow up and GET REAL."
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Fri Feb-16-07 05:55 PM by isotope

  

          

You are justifying irrational and STUPID hatred --with--irrational ans STUPID hatred.

You associate gays with child molestation--the Most Infantile Analogy---since most who molest are fuckin STRAIGHT.

You chastise White Racists for chastising YOU for your IGNORANT homophobia/as if,somehow,in some Bill O'Reilly reality its only White Racists who judge others for homophobia..


How the fuck OLD are you?...12?




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27. "RE: White folks and the gay thing..."
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Fri Feb-16-07 06:09 PM by isotope

  

          

>White people, ask yourselves a real question.
>How often do your family members use the term nigga?
NEVER--we are not racists.PERIOD.

>If you married a big ol black nigga from the hood, how would
>that upset your comfort zone with family and friends?
Nope...it would not upset our "comfort zone" in the SLIGHTEST because we DO NOT have "comfort zone" based on race..

>Does your white family or friends have a picture of jesus as a
>black man in their house?
Nope...who the fuck cares if Jesus was black or yellow...his PHILOSOPHY is what counts,does it not?

>Would they be open to falling on thier knees to a black jesus
>in their house?
I do every fuckin day when I watch Kirk Franklin or Fred Hammond slam it home with their bands on their DVD's

>how would you feel about your mother remarrying to a mufucaka
>named
>Joseph "June Bug" Jenkins?
I guess you think ALL WHITE people are as STUPID as they are in the USA,right? Thats fuckin CLEVER.

>To me, this is just white folks playing the motherfuckig
>victim card whenever they can... like they have been the
>leaders of all things politically correct. Please. Some real
>live bullshit really.
>Thoughts?

^^^ This justifies your PATHETIC homophobia?


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51. "Your slow."
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catch up.

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264. "no, YOU'RE slow"
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lol

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265. "right.. thanks."
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talking to you I must be.
lol.
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28. "I think Aqua's point was missed by a few of you."
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If you read carefully what the
brother wrote, he's not implying
that the white man was created
on the Isle of Patmos or that
homosexuals are going to burn in
hell. Rather, he's underscoring
the irony that describes whites
who beat the drums of social justice
for homosexuals, or some trendy cause
celeb (i.e., "Free Tibet" or "Boycott
Veal"), yet continue to refuse to
address America's ongoing historical
racial problem.

Albeit there are whites who recognize
race as an issue which continues to
plague this nation and it's so-called
democratic ideals, most are unwilling
to engage in genuine discourse about
it because it requires looking within.
There is always the chance that maybe,
just maybe, there's a little Michael
Richards in us that may rear it's ugly
head. To this I say, so what? Let's
get it all out in the open, deal with
it, and move forward. Oh, but before
we all do that let's wait a bit, I
have a "FREE LEONARD PELTIER" concert
I must attend.

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31. "RE: I think Aqua's point was missed by a few of you."
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>it because it requires looking within.
>There is always the chance that maybe,
>just maybe, there's a little Michael
>Richards in us that may rear it's ugly
>head. To this I say, so what? Let's
>get it all out in the open, deal with
>it, and move forward. Oh, but before
>we all do that let's wait a bit, I
>have a "FREE LEONARD PELTIER" concert
>I must attend.

wait wait wait. so let's say it happens, the racist, albeit a tiny racist admits it. he has a little michael richards in him that rears its head when it feels threatened or angered. then what? i think if you lay out like that, a lot of motherfuckers might feel they've done plenty enough by admitting their prejudice. they'll admit the shit and let YOU be the one to fix it. then what? as people of any color in any situation often say "that's just how it is." what are you supposed to do in the face of that kind of complacency?
the one thing i hear from people in the hood watching kids get smoked, from rich motherfuckers who stomp all over anyone they can, to middle class folks dying to move up, "that's just the way it is."

i'm going to go finish this painting i'm working on. i really don't know how y'all keep on here. i sometimes find myself feeling like it's all so hopeless.

  

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52. "A little Michael Richards in me? Or America in me?"
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George Washington in me?
George Bush in me?
Of course you would choose a fucking comedian who lost it in the worst case scenario... nah someone who's actually making a difference fucking up the world with his power.
ahahaha.. michael richards.
How about 85 percent of the white folks in this country in me?

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42. "Pathetic/childish insinuations about Gays."
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Mon Feb-19-07 09:16 AM by isotope

  

          

This idiot tries to "connect the dots" between the Catholic Church/child molestation and Gays-totally unaware that most molesters are STRAIGHT MEN.

What next?

Hockey Coaches?


This thread is DUMB.

Its that simple....there is NO excuse.


Does America have a problem with Race?

dUh...a blind man from China can SEE that without a TV or radio.

But,does casting dispersions on gays make that better?...not a FUCKIN chance !!!!

Is desperately and ignorantly trying to make gays into child molesting perverts help?




Remember:Most if not all child molesters are STRAIGHT MEN....usually MARRIED with children.








  

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46. "Exactly... Bingo... Finally..."
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and of course they see what they want to see...
it just shows you once again, the minds of children.
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70. "he's implying that isaiahs bigotism is okay because racism exists"
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and i do believe i read that carefully.
didn't quite get what the catholic church molestation agenda is and how it fits into the post.
but he's saying..... oh, leave isaiah alone to be a homophone just because racism exists.

that's not logic.

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29. "RE: White folks and the gay thing..."
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shit's absolutely hilarious. Watch, the face of homophobia is gonna be a black one. Despite the fact that the black community's attitude toward homosexuality is very very complex.

  

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30. "RE: White folks and the gay thing..."
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So you think that the same people who criticize the prejudice against gay people are the same ones who are throwing black people under the bus and refusing to speak out against racial injustices? Really?

  

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53. "Yawn."
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re read.

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32. "I know what your sayin..."
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i understand and agree with you on most parts.

but i want to say

im scottish, my ancestors where robbed, tortured, raped and murdered for years, our national dress was banned, our language taken from us, and you get the point we were broken physically, emotionally and to this day we still hold a grudge against the english, the vikings, the romans and everyone else that we fought against for what god gave us.

we (as the majority of scots) dont question race, sexuality, gender, wealth, religion because aslong as you stand proud, dont mind a drink or two down the local and give us the respect we give we will love you and defend you like we birthed you.

  

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33. "this post is ignorant as fuck"
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>White people, ask yourselves a real question.
>How often do your family members use the term nigga?
Never.

>If you married a big ol black nigga from the hood, how would
>that upset your comfort zone with family and friends?
None at all, my family has married people from all over the world.

>Does your white family or friends have a picture of jesus as a
>black man in their house?
We're not religious.

>Would they be open to falling on thier knees to a black jesus
>in their house?
It's a no brainer Jesus had dark skin, so why not?

>How would you feel about your mother remarrying to a mufucaka
>named
>Joseph "June Bug" Jenkins?
She's marrying somebody from England, so that wouldn't happen.

>To me, this is just white folks playing the motherfuckig
>victim card whenever they can... like they have been the
>leaders of all things politically correct. Please. Some real
>live bullshit really.
>Thoughts?

I didn't read all of this post, but reading the original post, all of your assumptions would white America seem really off. To me, this is as sick holdinig assumptions about any other race without really knowing, but you can do it on here because of the demographics of this board.
I love the music here, I love the people, but sometimes Aqua, shit just gets too vague and overly and stupidly analytical.

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35. "RE: this post is ignorant as fuck"
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I don't agree with everything Aqua says, but I will have his back on this one. I see alot of responses from people acting as if none of what he says has any leverage. Does his "white people" thing apply to me. In most places, no. Bet I'll be the only white person on these boards to admit I've spat a racial slur when I'm pissed. I'm far from proud of it, but I've been in that moment. When I'm mad, all I can think about is how to hurt someone. Rarely has my choice been so immature or undignified, but it has happened.

Fact is you're not going to get anyone in these forums to completely justify what Aqua is saying, as I don't believe these boards are going to attract that kind of demographic. Beyond that, racism is sometimes, in some people, such a supressed but autonomous reaction, that they themselves wouldn't be able to admit it without fracturing their fragile and underdeveloped psyche. I believe I could pass Aqua'a "White Checklist" (LOL) easy. But for my family I know 100 families that either couldn't or get mixed results. I know people who would use an image of a black Jesus for target practice. (Though let me clarify, these are not friends or preferred company) I know families that would disown their children for getting romantically involved with people of any color. Yet some people want to make remarks cuz I live in WV, and then deny that white people can act like this.
As for the gay thing, I don't even know where to begin. I know there won't be as many people excusing the situation as there were with Mel Gibson, but I haven't seen as much of an outlash as there was with Michael Richards. I don't watch the news but I imagine there's a lot of hullabaloo attempting to interpolate anti-gay ideals into the culture of black youth, as if this basketball player is now the voice of blacks on gays. Alot of "Does this mean all black people hate gays?" by blond haired, blue eyed newscasters.

As Johnny Storm says, "Flame on!"

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36. "RE: this post is ignorant as fuck"
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Reading through most of these posts opened my eyes and alarmed me. It's obvious that whites have done a lot of fucked up shit throughout history, no question. But what I see on here is a lot of generalization about not only whites but all different groups and that is a problem, not only coming from white people but from anyone. Anytime you throw around the word "they" and generalize about specific groups you are just as bad as the people you are complaining about. Being white, I acknowledge that my race has done lots of dirt throughout history, even recently, but I don't think it should be held against me because I don't condone any of that shit in any way. Stereotyping and throwing around the "they" do this or that only feeds the problem. Ya white people have and are still fucking up, but not every white person is like that or even agrees with it, I always thought that every group has it's good and bad people regardless. That's what makes us human is some people are good and some are fucked up, and it has nothing to do with what group you come from. It's blatantly stupid to fight stereotyping with the same, anyone who judges people based on what "group" they come from is feeble minded, because that's the easy way to classify people and predict their actions. I do not judge people based on their social classification, but rather the content of their character. On the same note I don't hold a group responsible for the actions of a minute percentage of that population, it's just ridiculous.

  

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37. "RE: this post is ignorant as fuck"
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Personally I believe white people are evil aliens from the planet mars.

Oh noes!

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39. "This is what I was getting at."
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>It's
>blatantly stupid to fight stereotyping with the same, anyone
>who judges people based on what "group" they come from is
>feeble minded

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54. "Yawn."
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sigh.

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38. "i dont understand this post, starting with the title."
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who is *they in this case.

the catholic church hasn't dealt with the molestation thing<-- call the pope and ask the catholics. and what's this molestation agenda you speak of?

jailing of black people- that's that institutionalised racism we all gotta deal with.
and i think its not up to white people to do anything about it, but history has proven that its up to black people to step up and do shit about it.
which is why the civil rights movement was successful to an extent.
if we were to wait for white people to do shit, mofos would still be shucking cotton and being second class.

i think isaiah deserves whatever he's getting for going public with his homophobia. that was stupid.
he could've kept his hate in private like most people do.
since glaad is an organisation for gays and lesbians im not surprised they'd get worked up over the term faggot.

>White people, ask yourselves a real question.
>How often do your family members use the term nigga?
>If you married a big ol black nigga from the hood, how would
>that upset your comfort zone with family and friends?

again, unless they are going on tv calling mofos niggas then this shit cant be compared to the apparent stupidity of dude's slur.
nobody's arguing that racism does not exist and that there aren't white folks that are racist.
just as no ones arguing that homophobes do exist.
the issue here is that if you decide to shine your light on your ignorance, then dont expect mofos to be blinded and not speak on it.

and another thing. what do black gay people think about this whole incident?
are they sitting around thinking, oh, he's *our nigga. let him be?


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40. "RE: i dont understand this post, starting with the title."
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>i think isaiah deserves whatever he's getting for going public
>with his homophobia. that was stupid.
>he could've kept his hate in private like most people do.


Yes! Of course! Why didn't we think of that before?!?! Hide your discrimination! You hear that everyone, the problem is solved!

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55. "Little update for ya..."
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The biggest issue in America is white folks have never been properly diagnosed or criticized. Keep this in mind, everything in this country is done in hindsight. They did not support Malcolm X when he was alive and most of them thought Dr. Martin Luther King was a trouble maker. In fact, there was a wonderful documentary on PBS about New Orleans and how the suburbs was created there that could be used as a marker all over this country, but sure don’t address that. Basically once Integration was legalized, white folks had a mass exodus out into the suburbs to move away from blacks. This was being done collectively all across the country. I love how you white folks will come on here to declare how you are ‘not’ something, but you are… you ignored almost every point I made as to make yourself look better. Lol. Interestingly enough, I think I have made it painfully clear that this isn’t all white folks. However, I love how yet again white folks are the victim. So I will break this down slowly for you since you have selected viewing and memory.

So here.
(Aren't they the last mufuckas to be telling anyone wassup?
I mean they still have color issues, yet they are ready to tell us about what's on point? Hmmm? Considering they have yet to truly deal with the Catholic Church and it's molestation agenda, or the unbalanced jailing of black men, or just all the hidden race laws at play... how on earth, or why on earth do they feel they should be the ones updating anyone on what's kosher? Also, considering all the other parallel items mentioned isn't that some extra bold shit?)
Common sense, in a land where Tim Hardaway’s gay comments are more dissected than the cops who killed that Brother in Queens you do the math.
(I'm all for equality, just because someone prefers a certain type of sex or prefers to spend thier time with someone it's a no brainer they should not be excluded against)
I mean this is spelled out is it not?
(... however, in a country that has yet to elect ANYONE other than a white man as thier leader... or their second in charge... or in a country that chooses to overlook all the injustice they have committed to people of color FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS yet will throw Oj in your face quick... are these really the people who should be commenting? Thoughts? )
The same Christians who are gay bashing are the same ones who openly supported the war. The same ones who label Muslims as ‘savages’. These are the same people?
White folks, the same people who are saying OJ is guilty, (despite ANY OF US knowing what really happened which is the REAL reality) they have created a natural assumption by the law of the mental white courts that he is guilty. Despite being tried and found innocent. Yet look at the day to day examples of the double standard of this. Black men all over the country are being freed after serving 25 years, 30 years, 40 years for a crime they didn’t commit. Where are white folks in that solidarity for justice? Kill a white woman or even look like you killed a white woman and they will hate you forever. Kill a nigga on the street and they will either, not speak on it, or provide the benefit of the doubt.

(It amazes me how feverish they are about this...
yet how dumb they play when it's a real race relations issue
"the alleged incident by New York City Police in Queens"
"investigators now say there is a fourth person"
"the alleged Rodney King beatings"...
yet they hang niggaz out to dry over calling someone a faggot?)
My point? Hardaway is clearly an asshole, not even a question. However, he is a fucking ball player. You wanna get pissed? Get pissed at your president declaring an entire region of the world as “EVIL” and thus going to war over falsified intelligence. On purpose. Choose your battles.
(White people, ask yourselves a real question.
How often do your family members use the term nigga?
If you married a big ol black nigga from the hood, how would that upset your comfort zone with family and friends?
Does your white family or friends have a picture of jesus as a black man in their house?
Would they be open to falling on thier knees to a black jesus in their house?
how would you feel about your mother remarrying to a mufucaka named
Joseph "June Bug" Jenkins? )

(To me, this is just white folks playing the motherfuckig victim card whenever they can... like they have been the leaders of all things politically correct. Please. Some real live bullshit really.)
Thoughts?
This is still the same. It’s true… I’m sorry but Opression in this country has been going on for hundreds of years on every level of education, judicial, social, religious levels, white man angst maybe 30. They already flipping after 30 years.
Oh and white folks, I would say that if this doesn’t apply to you, then ignore it, the problem is most of you live in a bubble and think none of this will every apply.

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56. "^ STILL doesn't GET that Gays are NOT Child Molesters!"
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And for that you have lost the last little stitch of credibility.


You THINK EXACTLY like those you censure...Red Neck White People.


That IS your intellectual level.
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59. "You are a clown, I never said being gay meant being"
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a child molestor... you see, when you don't want to deal with the real, you make up shit to turn people away. Thanks for exposing yourself.

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61. "and please... POINT OUT WHERE I said being gay meant"
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being a child lusting pevert. Please point that out,
or spare us your bs.

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62. "^ Then WHY is the "Catholic Church Molestation Agenda" discussed here?"
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You didn't READ your OWN thread?

YOu discuss child molestation and Gays as if its a RELATED Issue.

Thats just as STUPID as any Red Neck who can't empathize with Black America social justice issues.


You are going about this with just as much IGNORANCE and sheer STUPIDITY as any White Red Neck.

SEE that.
FEEL that.
LEARN that.

and Grow the Fuck UP.


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63. "Exactly you are a LIAR."
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I love how you say 'as if'... nah potnah, it's either I said that or I didn't and since I pointed out

that Hardaway is an idiot
that gays should have equal rights
and a whole host of other issues you never even touched coward.
Your a liar... and your only point is disinformation.
You have been called out and exposed in one swoop.
Ez.

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64. "Catholic molestation is a reality and a far cry from saying that"
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being gay means your a child molestor.
Exactly. LIAR.
Now stop lying and go and try and deal with some of the real issues I posed, not made up ones.

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58. "basically you want white people to love you."
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ok.

i get that.

doesn't make much sense that all this whining is what this is about.

but whatever.

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57. "its when discrimination is institutionalised that it becomes a problem"
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unless you are one of those people who believe that there will come a time when racists/ haters will cease to exist
then you are just being delusional and idealistic.

since they always will be and will exist i do believe that when a mofo speaks on his hate he deserves the censure he gets.
isn't that what *this is about?

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60. "Yawn, re read."
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You obviously didn't get it.

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69. "no, i think the issue here is that"
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your point doesn't make much sense.

all the rereading in the world wont change that.

you are whining about white people's racism when trying to talk about isaiah's homophobia.

like one should whitewash the other.

or be related to the other

that's dumb and childish at the least.

especially the expectation that people will cease being people and

stop hating for whatever reason or just because you feel they should.

or you are acting like white people are the ones that should be

about stopping their hate

when even history proves that its black folks that made change happen.

im glad not everyone was as passive or quiescent as you want them to be

dude is being chastised for speaking on his hate.

if a white dude made some racist comments i only wish we'll be as

vigilant as glaad on calling him out on it (in regards to how they

called that bigotism out).

everything else is just a rant.

your paranoia will destroy you, aqua.

and that shtick is getting old.

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74. "yawn."
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it makes sense... complete sense. yawn.

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92. "This is exactly is point."
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>dude is being chastised for speaking on his hate.
>
>if a white dude made some racist comments i only wish we'll be
>as
>
>vigilant as glaad on calling him out on it (in regards to how
>they
>
>called that bigotism out).
>
This added with the FACT that they don't is exactly what he is saying.

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94. "who is they?"
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i said we, as in black people should be as vigilant.

NOT white people.
why should white people give a shit about a black dude being called nigger? they aren't the ones getting offended.

just like its not straight people that are calling isaiah out. It's gladd, an org for gay and lesbians.

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97. "Actually it was his heterosexual colleagues who called him out"
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Gladd was the counseling they suggested for him.

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65. "You better RE-state your point."
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Because -at the very least-it looks like your saying..
"Don't chastise me for being homophobic while there are still social justice issues that have not been resolved with Black America".


Thats a STUPID way of going about making your point.

Just DUMB.


Is white america hypocritical and just plain RETARDED?

YUP....thats as plain as Day.
Like 2+2=4.....simple to understand.


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66. "Nah you better play catch up... how about that..."
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I'm not restating a motherfucking thing.
I said it, it stands.
Deal wit it.
Besides, I have said enough that your too much of a coward to even speak on, that's called concern of what's relative only to YOU.
That in itself is White America, so thus, your today's poster child.
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68. "^^ Tit 4 tat....thats BRILLIANT..."
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So, white america is hypocritical and racist--THEREFORE what?

Gays are a RELATED issue with child molestation?

WHY bring up child molestation AT ALL in the context of the gay issue if you are not trying to insinuate that these are related issues?


Real SLEAZY and infantile....but I'm not surprised by this type of thing on OkPlayer anymore.


OkPlayer is more retarded than MySpace.
Stupidity is HIP around here.
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78. "Tit 4 Tat, MONEY YOU ARE A LIAR... AND i CALLED YOU OUT"
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ALREADY...
again... Again… don’t speculate..
Don’t add…
You specifically said I said that being gay meant being a child molestor…
I never said that.. I DARE you to find that… period….
I said, specifically the catholic church… didn’t i? Didn’t the catholic church have a huge scandal? Was it ever dealt with? NO.
Of course your so blind with arrogance that you would say ‘there goes Aqua attacking us white folks’ as opposed to you being real and saying ‘they attacked children’, innocent fucking children. So who’s the sick one potnah?

The fact you would try to trivialize this issue to benefit you...
well there's your answer.

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71. "Usually I agree with you..."
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but this time you're seriously off base, IMO.

I guess to start I have to qualify myself as disagreeing with what seems like your unsaid assumption, that being gay is a preference. Too many of my friends don't "prefer" to be gay. Many grew up in households unfriendly to that new development and haven't revealed it in order to not destroy their family.

Second, that you make it seem like only white people are pushing queer equality is divorced from reality. I don't know if you're just reacting to mostly white commentators respond to two black athletes, but the queer movement is composed of persons from every ethnic, sexual, and religious category.

I mean, anyone remember cued from these boards?

Do I agree with the premise that white people have a fucked up agenda? Obviously. Is there even a question about that? No.

But you make it seem like only white people are gay and only white people are for gay rights, when that's no where near the reality.

Am I missing some other point? "White people shouldn't comment on issues of oppression (sexual or queer or whatever) until having dealt with this country's history of racial oppression"? Is this about the recent Hardaway/Washington soundbites?

Admittedly confused...

>Aren't they the last mufuckas to be telling anyone wassup?
>I mean they still have color issues, yet they are ready to
>tell us about what's on point? Hmmm? Considering they have
>yet to truly deal with the Catholic Church and it's
>molestation agenda, or the unbalanced jailing of black men, or
>just all the hidden race laws at play... how on earth, or why
>on earth do they feel they should be the ones updating anyone
>on what's kosher? Also, considering all the other parallel
>items mentioned isn't that some extra bold shit?
>I'm all for equality, just because someone prefers a certain
>type of sex or prefers to spend thier time with someone it's a
>no brainer they should be excluded against... however, in a
>country that has yet to elect ANYONE other than a white man as
>thier leader... or their second in charge... or in a country
>that chooses to overlook all the injustice they have committed
>to people of color FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS yet will throw Oj in
>your face quick... are these really the people who should be
>commenting? Thoughts?
>It amazes me how feverish they are about this...
>yet how dumb they play when it's a real race relations issue
>"the alleged incident by New York City Police in Queens"
>"investigators now say there is a fourth person"
>"the alleged Rodney King beatings"...
>yet they hang niggaz out to dry over calling someone a
>faggot?
>
>White people, ask yourselves a real question.
>How often do your family members use the term nigga?
>If you married a big ol black nigga from the hood, how would
>that upset your comfort zone with family and friends?
>Does your white family or friends have a picture of jesus as a
>black man in their house?
>Would they be open to falling on thier knees to a black jesus
>in their house?
>how would you feel about your mother remarrying to a mufucaka
>named
>Joseph "June Bug" Jenkins?
>
>To me, this is just white folks playing the motherfuckig
>victim card whenever they can... like they have been the
>leaders of all things politically correct. Please. Some real
>live bullshit really.
>Thoughts?

  

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72. "yes i forgot to mention this."
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its like black queer folks dont exist in aqua's world.

im not sure *who the face of the reaction against isaiah's comments was,
maybe he saw that it was a white person and figured black gay people aren't pissed off about that ish.


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"and another thing. what do black gay people think about this whole incident? are they sitting around thinking, oh, he's *our nigga. let him be?"


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73. "an article about hardaway's comments..."
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from a black writer comparing different movements.

The True Face of Homophobia
by Leonard Pitts Jr

Last week, Tim Hardaway declared his hatred of gay people. Gay people should be thankful.
Let me tell you a story. It's about a man named Bull Connor. In 1963, he was the police commissioner of Birmingham, Ala. Back then, Birmingham was pleased to be considered the most segregated city in the South. Then, civil-rights demonstrators under the leadership of Martin Luther King Jr. came to town. Connor directed the city's response.

When you see those famous images of dogs attacking unarmed marchers and firefighters directing high-pressure hoses at men and women singing freedom songs, you are seeing Connor's work. He was a hateful cuss, but there was a useful purity in his hate: The sheer violence of his response to the civil-rights movement brought international condemnation and irresistible pressure for change.

Segregation was, for many people, still socially respectable in that era. Politicians defended it with honeyed euphemisms like "state's rights," and preachers assured their flocks that it was God's will. So you could be a segregationist and still feel good about yourself, still feel moral.

Connor inadvertently made that impossible. How moral can you feel when a guy is loosing dogs on children in your name? Connor stripped segregation naked. He made people face it for what it was.

Hardaway, a retired jock who once started at guard for the Miami Heat, did the same thing for gay-bashing last week. No, he didn't turn dogs or hoses on anybody. But he surely stripped homophobia naked.

Asked during a radio interview by my Miami Herald colleague Dan LeBatard for a comment on John Amaechi, a former NBA benchwarmer who recently came out of the closet, Hardaway did not have the brains to lie or deflect the question. Nope, he was blunt as a brick.

"I hate gay people," he said, "so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."

Any questions? Me neither.

There is something bracing in the matter-of-fact clarity of Hardaway's declaration. He cut through the clutter of weasel words and half-truths that traditionally surrounds homophobia, showed us what lies behind honeyed euphemisms ("traditional values"), and claims to speak for God.

"I hate gays," he said. Period, end of sentence. The statement had to it the same flat clarity of Bull Connor, straw hat on his head, cigar clenched in his teeth, siccing dogs on children.

No, Hardaway isn't the first person to speak so stridently against gays. The lunatic Fred Phelps comes to mind. Still, you could always ignore Phelps precisely because he was a lunatic. Hardaway is not. He is, or always seemed, a decent guy. Which makes his words all the more hurtful.

He has apologized, of course, but that surely has more to do with universal approbation and the loss of lucrative endorsement deals than any true change of heart. Anyway, that's his business.

Ours is this: Like segregation before it, homophobia is, for many people, still socially respectable. So one hopes that one byproduct of Hardaway's outburst is that it will become less so. That we will be forced to face it for what it is. It would be a nice change.

So often, we use words to distance ourselves from what we feel, to hide our true meaning, even from ourselves. Hardaway used words to say exactly what he felt and it is possible to abhor what he felt and yet, appreciate that he does not make you guess or infer.

Think again of Connor, screaming obscenities under an Alabama sun. To hear him, to hear Hardaway, is to know that you have finally come down to it, finally met the beast that lives behind euphemism and weasel words.

It is ugly, but it is also, at long last, truth.

Miami Herald columnist Leonard Pitts Jr.'s column appears regularly on editorial pages of The Times.

  

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77. "now go back in this post where I said Hardaway is an ass..."
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go back... one of the first things I wrote.
Clearly he is buggin.
I think I even covered the importance of equal rights for gays didn't I? ya'll motherfuckers... hahaha... wow.. desperate.
'it's okay Aqua discuss anything, niggaz, crack, drugs, anything... just don't criticize us white folks' unreal.
That's the problem right there...
this is why nothing will ever change cause a...
most wp are in denial
b
they never do a self eval
c
they are not open to criticism.. that's how a George Bush can be a George Bush... play the white man card, say anything or do anything you want... wear a suit to provide the image, say the right things to provide the image...etc.

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89. "RE: now go back in this post where I said Hardaway is an ass..."
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>That's the problem right there...
>this is why nothing will ever change cause a...
>most wp are in denial
>b
>they never do a self eval
>c
>they are not open to criticism.. that's how a George Bush can
>be a George Bush...

So we can make this a case for Obama for President!

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76. "please show me where I said that... see the issue here?"
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is you are trying to make it seem like this is a homophobic post..

PLEASE SHOW ME EXACTLY WHERE I SAID THERE ARE
NO BLACK HOMOSEXUALS
GAY MEANS CHILD MOLESTATION

CAUSE if you cannot find it, then that means your whole purpose of coming here is to cause confusion and disinformation...

period.
Cause I never said those things... you did. Try dealing with what I said...

I love how they only speak on the homosexuality..
no mention of white folks and how they get down.
Weapon of Mass diversion.

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75. "nah not even... you see first..."
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I never said
gay means child molestor... isotope has been proven to be a liar on that..
two.. that blacks don't support open relationships...
I mean are you cats even reading what I wrote? I clearly say that Hardaway was a dumb ass or do you white boys get to the 'white boy' issues and stop reading? I'm saying?

It's simple fucking math...
white people have no right to tell anyone else anything until they get their shit right... it's simple.
You can't be on TV claiming political correctness when white people still don't understand what happened in New Orleans.. .what's happening in Iraq... what's happened in Queens... where is the solidarity with that shit? It makes everything else seem fake...
period.

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79. "Then don't bring up the Gay Issue AT ALL..."
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Its got NOTHING to do with white hypocrisy and related Black American Social Justice Issues.

WHY on earth would you criticise ANYONE for censuring gay bashers...hypocritical or not?


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but thanks for exposing yourself. Exactly... niggaz should only speak about drugs and rap music right? Typical.

(ts got NOTHING to do with white hypocrisy and related Black American Social Justice Issues.)

Really? So there are no black gays in this country? Don't the gay political platform constantly say the way they are being treated is on par with how blacks were treated before the civil rights movement... hence the denial of thier civil rights?
Hahaha... right, I guess use it when you need to justify your platform? First off, to hell with you.. your obviously here to provide disinformation and it's quite childish how your going about it. Straight lying first off... trying to muffle the argument which is simple...
white people have no moral soapbox to stand on... period.
Hardaway was wrong, not even a question...
however... it amazes me how much coverage they have given him versus more relevant issues like the obvious HOMOPHOBIA of George Bush...
how is it Hardaway gets hung out to dry as he should..
yet Bush can go on TV and declare that God spoke to him to go into Iraq and this same God don't way gays to marriage?
Yeah whatever, typical american double standard.
Hardaway is a fucking ball player with no power.

WHY on earth would you criticise ANYONE for censuring gay bashers...hypocritical or not?

Now this is a good question. Cause of the moral relevancy...
my point is don't act higher than thou when white folks are STILL treaing
Mexicans like they are nothing more than slaves, landscapers, and and construction workers
Blacks like they are either rappers, ballplayers or drug dealers
they still find a complete comfort zone in the white power structure that rules this country...
and not to mention considering they fuck up at least once a week...

in a country that still has The Washington Redskins as their mascot?
The Indians as a baseball team?
Where is this outlandish solidarity when cops kill young black kids?
God forbid he's young black and gay...
damn.
It's simple man... readh hochigrimms response..
you see the issue here isn't AQUA
the issue is White Folks aren't used to motherfuckers being straight real with them... not holding thier hands and calling them the fuck out... please...

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81. "..."
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I'm asking serious questions because I'm trying to understand what you're saying, and you're lumping me in with everyone getting upset about the white issue. Read my post, I could give a damn about the white issue. I care about what I felt was the marginalization of the queer movement as some flag "white america" is waving when we shouldn't have moved on from racism.

That I think you have expressed anti-gay arguments in the past puts a red flag on this from the start, and even within this post have written certain things I took issue with:
1. "I'm all for equality, just because someone prefers a certain type of sex or prefers to spend thier time with someone it's a no brainer they should be excluded against" <~ That is word for word from your first post.
a. This literally says someone "prefers a certain type of sex or prefers to spend their time with someone." That's where the beginning of my post responds.
b. "it's a no brainer they should be excluded against," although maybe a typo, now states that they should be excluded against. Either it needs an edit or you'll continue looking like you're saying let gay bashing exist because there's racism.

Notice: neither one of those are about white issues.

2. WHO are these specific white people you're talking about? I get that you use generalizing statements without meaning to blanket, we've talked about that before. But,

is this a post directed at liberal whites who wave a faux banner of equality in public without really addressing the issues?

is this a post at conservative whites who might agree gays do not deserve equal rights?

is this a post at radical collegiate whites who fight for equality but aren't willing to make structural sacrifices?

is this about some dude you saw discussing the issue on Fox News?

When you say "however, in a country that has yet to elect ANYONE other than a white man as thier leader... or their second in charge..." it seems to imply every white person in america should turn their head to homophobia because racism exists. Should they turn their head to racist comments, too, until solving racism?

" or in a country that chooses to overlook all the injustice they have committed to people of color FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS yet will throw Oj in your face quick... are these really the people who should be commenting?"

who specifically are these people, or are you just lumping folks together? I am just not getting the background for where you decided to start this discussion...

"To me, this is just white folks playing the motherfuckig victim card whenever they can..."

How does a white person who is not gay play the victim card when discussing queer issues? If they are gay, are they not a victim as well of normative thinking?

That statement also seems to imply that these discussions assume a. only white people are gay and b. gays aren't victims.

Non-dismissive responses requested.

  

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83. "I don't mind responding, just don't LIE on me... it's really simple..."
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deal with what I said.. not with made up shit...
here...

(I'm asking serious questions because I'm trying to understand what you're saying, and you're lumping me in with everyone getting upset about the white issue. Read my post, I could give a damn about the white issue. I care about what I felt was the marginalization of the queer movement as some flag "white america" is waving when we shouldn't have moved on from racism.)

it doesn't surprise me, this is the country that loves to hate.


(That I think you have expressed anti-gay arguments in the past puts a red flag on this from the start, and even within this post have written certain things I took issue wit

Um, money, the past? See this is where you cats really get me...
your discussing everything but what I FUCKING WROTE...
I mean for real. What the fuck is this? I have NEVER expressed ANTI GAY sentiments so YOU are coming off like nothing more than disinformation for the sake of trivializing the argument.
You want to understand the argument? Deal with what I said and stop making shit up. If I EVER said anything ANTI GAY how about you point it out. Don't tell me about it, show me. otherwise...

(1. "I'm all for equality, just because someone prefers a certain type of sex or prefers to spend thier time with someone it's a no brainer they should be excluded against" <~ That is word for word from your first post.)

Oh okay now I see, money that was a fucking typo. Re-read the post where I use that same quote and I specifically say 'Should NOT'
in fact if you read the whole post you will see where that's not consistant with the rest of my statements See this makes more sense as to why cats are up in arms. Typo people. Did you miss the
'Hardaway is clearly out of his mind'
'Hardaway is an ass'
I had no idea why you cats were making it seem like I was gay bashing when I wasn't. Okay, now that makes sense. Jesus.

(a. This literally says someone "prefers a certain type of sex or prefers to spend their time with someone." That's where the beginning of my post responds.)

Not even applicable... yeah sure got it. again, typo.

(b. "it's a no brainer they should be excluded against," although maybe a typo, now states that they should be excluded against. Either it needs an edit or you'll continue looking like you're saying let gay bashing exist because there's racism. )

Um... it is a typo... so if it's a typo obviously that's not how I think... re-read the rest of what I wrote. it will make more sense to you.


(Notice: neither one of those are about white issues.

2. WHO are these specific white people you're talking about? I get that you use generalizing statements without meaning to blanket, we've talked about that before. But,

is this a post directed at liberal whites who wave a faux banner of equality in public without really addressing the issues? )

Liberal whites are no different than right wing whites.
Left wing, right wing, same damn bird.



(is this a post at conservative whites who might agree gays do not deserve equal rights?

is this a post at radical collegiate whites who fight for equality but aren't willing to make structural sacrifices?

is this about some dude you saw discussing the issue on Fox News?

When you say "however, in a country that has yet to elect ANYONE other than a white man as thier leader... or their second in charge..." it seems to imply every white person in america should turn their head to homophobia because racism exists. Should they turn their head to racist comments, too, until solving racism? )

This post is for everyone. All people.
First off, let me clear this up...
Hardaway is a dumb ass country ball player. His opinions are as useful as his wack ass d. However, I love how the media uses the lowest common denominator to exploit. Mind you, we have a president who has invaded a country devised on a lie for his own personal business and gain. yet we are worried about this clown?
Obviously you never read my post on pulling the wool over peoples eyes and how Bush had no power on gay marriage yet used it in his campaign which should have been a clear sign to EVERYONE that he was gaming them. Or my post about how Civil Unions should exist for all people... marriage for all people... that if your NOT gay, which I am not... then why should it bother you? That it was nothing more than a typical media distraction for the war. Of course, Americans are stupid... so. Mind you, I'm not gay nor is it for me to speak on or understand cause it's not my experience... but I will be damned if anyone should be denied the right to do anything...
that's not my business. Just like my SEX life is no one elses business you dig?

(" or in a country that chooses to overlook all the injustice they have committed to people of color FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS yet will throw Oj in your face quick... are these really the people who should be commenting?")

Yes it is. Cause white people have a new justice system out of Oj.
All the niggaz they killed, lynched, raped, railroaded, set up..
and they still speak on Oj. They don't remember the name of one black baby they exploited thru this system. They don't even care how this system is designed to destroy us. How they equate young black male faces with the prison system. Yet you speak injustice they will ALWAYS say OJ... as if ANYONE OF US WAS THERE AND REALLY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED. That shit hurt their fucking heart... nevermind Emmit Till, Diallo, the brother in Queens, the brother in LA, Baltimore, them babies in Cleveland, Cincinatti, never mind that.

(who specifically are these people, or are you just lumping folks together? I am just not getting the background for where you decided to start this discussion...)

C'mon money.

("To me, this is just white folks playing the motherfuckig victim card whenever they can..."

How does a white person who is not gay play the victim card when discussing queer issues? If they are gay, are they not a victim as well of normative thinking? )
So everyone on the news is now GAY? See your missing the point here... doesn't matter if their gay...
it's about the simplicity of understanding that white people
no moral soapbox to stand ON PERIOD. You wonder why the rest of the world now hates America? THanks white folks.


(That statement also seems to imply that these discussions assume a. only white people are gay and b. gays aren't victims. )

Um.. no it doesn't. Lol. Wow, your reaching like a mufucka.
C'mon money. Where do think I live a box?

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86. "Got it."
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For some reason I thought I remember butting heads with you on the gay issue in the past, but maybe I'm thinking about someone else. Until I find anything, I'll just apologize for coming into this shit with bias regarding what I thought about the speaker/subject connection.

The early preference thing and then the typo seemed to solidify my initial thoughts, but I get those were typos.

The only area I still have issues with is:
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>>("To me, this is just white folks playing the motherfuckig victim card whenever they can..."

How does a white person who is not gay play the victim card when discussing queer issues? If they are gay, are they not a victim as well of normative thinking? )
>So everyone on the news is now GAY? See your missing the point here... doesn't matter if their gay...
it's about the simplicity of understanding that white people
no moral soapbox to stand ON PERIOD. You wonder why the rest of the world now hates America? THanks white folks.


(That statement also seems to imply that these discussions assume a. only white people are gay and b. gays aren't victims. )

Um.. no it doesn't. Lol. Wow, your reaching like a mufucka.
C'mon money. Where do think I live a box?
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I think gay white people have a moral foundation to("To me, this is just white folks playing the motherfuckig victim card whenever they can..."

How does a white person who is not gay play the victim card when discussing queer issues? If they are gay, are they not a victim as well of normative thinking? )
So everyone on the news is now GAY? See your missing the point here... doesn't matter if their gay...
it's about the simplicity of understanding that white people
no moral soapbox to stand ON PERIOD. You wonder why the rest of the world now hates America? THanks white folks.


(That statement also seems to imply that these discussions assume a. only white people are gay and b. gays aren't victims. )

Um.. no it doesn't. Lol. Wow, your reaching like a mufucka.
C'mon money. Where do think I live a box?
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I guess I don't know who you are talking about on TV, but if a gay white dude were to criticize Tim Hardaway for making comments that affect his community in a normatively discriminatory way, that's probably legit. I think most gays are victims of oppression, in obviously different ways than blacks, but still victims and therefore have the right to react.

Now if it were Scarborough or whatever or someone who doesn't also speak on the fuckedupedness of race relations, I get you.

White/black. Masculine/feminine. Different issues, both part of the same larger struggle...

  

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88. "Gay people in general regardless of color have a foundation"
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to stand on... cause A) it's not a color issue...
in fact their positioning and what they should and do stand for isn't the point of this post...
the point of this post is that how is it, the most vile, the most flagrantly fouled out group of people, are the most critical of political correctness? They basically HUNG Isiah washington...
never heard his side of the story
didn't care too....
in fact, that all white case (sparring the chick from Sideways) all turned on him... instantly...
did he help by using the word?
well the funny part is now white folks are calling it the 'f' word..
see that's just a childish game. Period.
White folks still use nigger...
in the midwest, the south and the north.
Cops still call us porch monkeys. George Bush said to a Brazilian official "you guys have em to?" in reference to black folks.
My point... there hasn't even so much as been enough development socially for white folks to be up in arms about damn near anything moral.

Let's review.
The Prison system. They could care less.
Black babies getting a proper education. No, not happening, their logic is 'those dirty niggaz in the ghetto are lazy'.
Okay. Let's take the term lazy, even tho we built this country, even tho' we worked HARD cause they wouldn't even allow us to be promoted.
Note: the same thing is now being said of the Mexicans, despite the fact they are some of the hardest workers I have ever seen. They work, they have families... and yet white folks still don't want em here. Unless they are building them a deck or some shit.
Cops killing black kids. Outside of some initial news coverage they could care less.

Call someone a faggot? They become a lynchmob? How does this work?

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93. "So,WHAT IS Isiah's "side of the story"?...he HATES Gays...and?"
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They basically HUNG Isiah
>washington...
>never heard his side of the story
>didn't care too....


Yeah...and any fuckin idiot who speaks such vapid ignorance SHOULD BE hung in the media...black,white,yellow...anyone who speaks such PRIMITIVE bullshit should be ridiculed and mocked.


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203. "Ahem..."
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Havent posted in here for a while now and unfortunately the second I return to the boards I stumble upon this post. I agree with your first post, Bohemian bomb and dont think you need to apologize for anything. I saw the same underlying sentiments in this thread as the one's expressed by aqua in the thread entitled "what's the difference between being gay and thinking you're black?" posted two years ago.(I'm not really sure of how to post a link but here's my attempt:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=9&topic_id=63019 )

White people's accountability? You're on to something, aqua and I'll even go so far as to say that these are ideas that should be posed with the same amount of ardor and historical analysis as you have delivered here... too bad you fucked the whole thing up by adding queerdom into the mix in a poorly veiled platform for your ( still somehow unacknowledged by you) anti-gay sentiments.

It basically boils down to that ol' saying "If you're not a part of the solution stop contributing to the problem".

Yes, the media employs diversion tactics.

Yes, Bush is just as homophobic as a lot of black men in our communities.

Yes, he should be hung out to dry for an ever-growing list of enacted injustices and bigotry.

Um...No, Criticizing the backlash to a black man sharing one of Bush's bigoted sentiments is NOT the way to solve the problem of america refusing to acknowledge white people's accountability. That aint gonna cut it, basically.

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I knew I remembered disagreeing with Aqua on this issue a few times before. Maybe I'll take a second and actually do a search.

  

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...an occasional poster/lurker. I search my own handle and the few contributions I've offered are easy to come by.

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82. "RE: nah not even... you see first..."
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>I never said
>gay means child molestor... isotope has been proven to be a
>liar on that..

I never said you did.

>two.. that blacks don't support open relationships...
>I mean are you cats even reading what I wrote? I clearly say
>that Hardaway was a dumb ass or do you white boys get to the
>'white boy' issues and stop reading? I'm saying?

The funny part is that I agree with your views on a fucked up white agenda. I said that point-blank. I don't agree with what I was trying to flush out and am still confused about, which is the way I thought you were framing homosexual rights as a white flag waving so whites could play the victim (<~ from your original post).

>It's simple fucking math...
>white people have no right to tell anyone else anything until
>they get their shit right... it's simple.

>You can't be on TV claiming political correctness when white
>people still don't understand what happened in New Orleans..
>.what's happening in Iraq... what's happened in Queens...
>where is the solidarity with that shit? It makes everything
>else seem fake...
>period.

My serious, not attempting-to-be-aggravating questions: So do white folks have to qualify themselves to be able to speak on gay rights? Or should only non-whites have discussions about homophobia until racism is dissolved? Or should whites only call other whites out for homophobia until racism is gone?

  

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that's probably why you keep saying
' never said that'

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until some undeniable, outlandish nonsense happen right... and even then all you'll say is 'aw that's too bad.'
or
'this is wrong guys'.

Nah, I don't complain enough...

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90. "RE: White folks and the gay thing..."
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To not even try and enter any real debate after reading most of them, I think it can be fairly said that un-qualified and unsubstantional generalizations and stereotypes have been thrown around here with great ease. The amount of which it is used shouldn't matter.

But the fact that everyone in here is defense, on the attack, and doesn't seem to be getting anywhere, is proof that we are all at fault for subscribing to the same notion of racism, sexism, etc.

So to push these pointless arguments forward, what can be done about whitey's problem? You know? If we're gonna use stupid jargon to refer to human beings, let's discuss how crackas can push things forward, and work on making an improvements.

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91. "which brings me to the whole point about Self Eval..."
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now mind you we all need it..
black folks needs self eval badly... to straighten out the way are kids are coming up
to straighten out our male/female relations
to straighten out the missing father syndrome
the prison system epidemic...

white folks still need a self eval...
in terms of social interaction
the promotion of stereotypes
on using mass media
on reconsidering pushing thier agenda etc...
the problem? White folks seem to think that the civil rights movement was there self eval... and it was barely the start of it...
why do they need it probably more than anyone?
cause of the initial slave relationship developed, the unbalanced playing field because of it... and the constant movement to either continute to reap the benefits of it unchallenged or to control this country no matter how horribly it's run.


we both need it... the difference?
When you are on the bottom you feel it..
when you are in power you make others feel it...
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95. "So,WHAT IS Isiah's "side of the story"?...he HATES Gays...and?"
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??




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96. "Um... see why are you lying .. . AGAIN?"
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Nah, he said he never even used the word... that they had a heated exchange, he apologized for it... but he never used the word.. .
and when white people say nigger do they get counseling?
Just curious.
Isotope...
has anyone in your family ever used the term Nigger.
any of your white or non-black friends?
Colleagues?
Neighbors?
Exactly.

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102. "^ Are you kidding me?"
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>Isotope...
>has anyone in your family ever used the term Nigger.
>any of your white or non-black friends?
>Colleagues?
>Neighbors?
>Exactly.


"Exactly" what?



I guess you just can't rap your small mind around the FACT that there white people out there who simply are NOT RACIST AT ALL...ZERO...NADA......NOT RACIST.


Not everyone thinks like YOU and millions of red neck white Americans...


Get it?

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103. "Yet you didn't answer the question now did you?"
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I love how you cats act as if I don't know white people
or I'm not friends with any white people... amazing.. haha.. it's cool tho'... now answer the question.

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109. "^ Nope..NO ONE in my family uses the 'n' word.."
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Sorry,goof.

You have GENERALIZED with the WRONG white guy.

My parents were both old hippies who actually PARTICIPATED in many civil rights rallies,protests during the late 1960's in Detriot-which is across the river from my hometown of Windsor Ontario.

By mother was actually beating up by Detriot police WHILE PREGNANT with ME.
She was lucky a group of young AA Men came to her and my fathers rescue.

Those were the days.



You have to GROW UP and realize that there are white people out there who simply are NOT RACIST AT ALL.



Is that a SPECIFIC enough answer or shall I just assume you are STUPID?
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114. "Is there anyway to prove it though?"
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>My parents were both old hippies who actually PARTICIPATED in
>many civil rights rallies,protests during the late 1960's in
>Detriot-which is across the river from my hometown of Windsor
>Ontario.

Oh oh!

>By mother was actually beating up by Detriot police WHILE
>PREGNANT with ME.
>She was lucky a group of young AA Men came to her and my
>fathers rescue.
>
>Those were the days.

Oh no!

>You have to GROW UP and realize that there are white people
>out there who simply are NOT RACIST AT ALL.

Everyone is a racist. Some have power and some don't.

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116. "I wouldn't say everyone is a racist... however ..."
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I love it when cats try to play down the power they do have in public.. only to benefit in private.
I mean no one should feel guitly for it either..
you didn't create this climate... you were born into it whether black or white..
however, if you do nothing to level the playing field..
then feel guilty
if you do not acknowledge the real right around you
then feel guilty
do not feel guilty cause your white, black, whatever... that is just ridiculous.
All white people don't have power.
Poor people, no matter their color have no voice.

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120. "RE: I wouldn't say everyone is a racist... however ..."
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>I love it when cats try to play down the power they do have
>in public.. only to benefit in private.

I do, too, and I challenge it in real life...daily.

>I mean no one should feel guitly for it either..

Guilt can be good if it leads to action.

>however, if you do nothing to level the playing field..
>then feel guilty
>if you do not acknowledge the real right around you
>then feel guilty
>do not feel guilty cause your white, black, whatever... that
>is just ridiculous.

...insidious.

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122. "Good point actually about Guilt... if it leads to action... true talk..."
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Hence, Aqua's daily White folks ten step self eval.
Haha.. notice they only respond when I discuss them...
when I discuss relevant issues and critique black folks..
they say nothing...
as soon as I critique their ass... I'm a racist.
hahaha...
so true.

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124. "I mean action...in real life though"
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I wanna know how folks are challenging racism (or any ism) in school, on the job, in their communities, etc. I don't want to hear about someone's mother being down with Huey Newton or their Black best friend. Show me the money!

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128. "Agreed... nor do I wanna hear... I eat granola bars and love hiphop"
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I am white with dreads
I own a peter tosh collection
my parents smoked weed, wears flannel, loves Dylan and marched with King.
Nosir.

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131. "^ WOW..you are a MOD?"
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"everyone is racist"..?


Really?









wow......







wow........I'm speechless.....



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133. "Indeed I am"
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...but I am not the one runnin' things.

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136. "Exactly..."
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well said Nettrice.
The always trying to tell people of color to shut up or hold their tongue..
and meanwhile they throwing parties dressing up like mexicans and indians and crazy shit.
lol.
go tell them to shut up.
lol.
Where is this investigative work when you REALLY need to be down.

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138. "Why are ya'll messing with me?"
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>and meanwhile they throwing parties dressing up like mexicans
>and indians and crazy shit.
>lol.
>go tell them to shut up.

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142. " I was talking to Isotope not you..."
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He's the one who's been lying and creating disruption with rumors and made up nonsense.
Not you love...

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134. "Her point was that most people have preconcieved notions of"
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others..
stop sensationalizing.
Your card has already been plucked and showed to the crowd liar.
If you have something to build on the topic cool but stop coming thru with your skirt and mac mascara money. Damn...
discuss the issues stop instigating fights, lies and rumors.
The mind of children.

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104. "Racism and Homophobia isn't exactly the same thing"
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Because gay doesn't = race.

  

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105. "and you see this is why I bring up Oj... look at his response.."
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he's ready to accuse the man even though the man says he never said it..
right?
Yet white folks have hung him out to dry...

they say Bobby Brown is the worst thing that ever happened to Whitney...
yet Howard K Stern had that white bitch high as a kite the entire time he knew her, he doesn't even want for his child to have a DNA... and since he is in the Bahamas the courts can't make him...
and according to her will
if her son Daniel died (which he did, suddenly at that) then Stern gets all the bread.

If Stern was Black they would have arrested his ass as soon as his plane touched down in Miami.
If Bush were black they would have arrested him on HomeGrown Terrorist Charges on Sept. 12th.
Un. Fucking Real.
Hardaway... that's a different issue.
Michael Richards same deal.

EFlynn... 100 percent on point...
cause until they enslave over 100million homosexuals
and make them work for free for 400years... exactly...
it's not on par.

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107. "and not to mention"
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you wouldn't know a person is gay unless he or she admits it..

Even if they have "tendencies" you still can't assume they are until they admit


Minorites don't have this luxury.

A homosexuality isn't a race, it's a movement by design

  

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111. "Bingo. Exactly."
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Unless they extra with their shit it's thier business.

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113. "Question for the both of ya'll"
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If you hate whitey so much why are you all into their entertainment news? I couldn't care less about Anna Nicole Smith.

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115. "Who said we hate anyone? I never used the word WHITEY"
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and I never will. How is being honest about the state of affairs in this society hate? I mean what are YOU afraid of.... ever heard of freedom of speech?

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119. "Riiiiight"
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>and I never will.

lol

>How is being honest about the state of
>affairs in this society hate?

There's a difference between a honest dialogue and race baiting.

>I mean what are YOU afraid
>of.... ever heard of freedom of speech?

Didn't I just write "whitey"? How am I afraid of freedom of speech? Just be smart (strategic) with it is all I say.

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127. "How is saying whitey being strategic?"
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No race baiting...
this is something we ALL think about..
and yeah it's an ignorant affair
but we are dealing with ignorant people are we not?
I mean the bottom line is... it's true..
if you have benefitted from the power structure..
a you clearly without question understand the gay movement
yet you don't understand the social issues facing people of color how does that work?

Marge Schott the then owner of the Cincinnatti Reds referred to her players as 'monkeys', 'ball catching niggers' etc..
that made the news all of a day or two.
They interviewed the players and said 'how does this make you feel?' and left it there as if they couldn't assume how it would have made them feel.
She remained the owner.
She continued saying anything out of her mouth.
My point is fairness. Hardaway is a dumbass... in fact there were reports when he first joined the league that he was bi-sexual and I honestly think that's where this hate is stemming from. Dealing with that...

OH AND I'M SERIOUS...
I CHALLENGE ANYONE ON HERE TO FIND ANYTHING EVER WRITTEN BY ME USING THE WORDS
WHITEY
WHITE TRASH
HONKEY OR ANY OF THAT NONSENSE.
I DO NOT MOVE LIKE THAT.

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129. "Whitey refers to The Man"
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Back in the 60s and 70s my parents and other pro-Black hippies used the term whitey to refer to The Man or the system that kept white folks in power. It wasn't a generalization.

>but we are dealing with ignorant people are we not?

I think it's a mistake to think folks are ignorant. They know...they're more aware than you think.

>if you have benefitted from the power structure..

That's just it. Many are benefitting even as they claim they are not part of the system.

>My point is fairness.

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130. " i know what it means but this aint the 60's..."
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I mean I know, pig, whitey, honkey..
but I don't move like that... I just deal with the issues.
Period.

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135. "Oh, yes it is."
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More than you know.

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139. "hahaha... true but my point is this..."
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many elements that made the 60's didn't work...
we have to raise the bar with more streamlined approach...
tapping into sensationalism will not work...
we have to acknowledge that thier are white folks down for our cause...
being inclusive is the agenda...
I know, your saying "Aqua is that you or the CIA agent who has you held captive"... but it's true. I just don't have time to hold thier fucking hands that's all.
lol.
aint nobody ever tell me it would be alright... so I'll be damned if I do the same.
However, points can be made without referring to people outside of their name.

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123. "If you're refering to my RIP post"
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I would do that for anyone. I wasn't a fan of Anna Nicole just like I wasn't a fan of Dennis Johnson,(you should already know because I'm from The D. Deeee trooiiitttt Basketball!!) but I posted an RIP thread for him yesterday also......



The only other thing that I posted about here since the clusterfuck is that I wish the stop reporting every little thing about her.



A sick, turned dead horse got more press than she did while she was alive.


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125. "I wasn't"
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Let 'em have Anna Nicole...I'll point out the double standard later.

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162. "oh"
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well in that case, don't leave ya boy hangin....

  

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132. "As far as Anna Nicole, that is fair to bring it up cause it shows you"
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the double standard of white america.
Bobby Brown...
every comedian from Leno to Letterman got jokes about how he destroyed Whitney.
Everyone is quick to say Ike destroyed Tina. They could care less about the reality as long as they have an idol to destroy.
no one wants to hear that Whitney was a coke head sex freak before she met Bobby. That Tina might have been, shall we say, less than respectful of her marriage. Cause black men are caricatures.. animals to this society... so it fits.
Yet it's clear that Stern killed that woman and her son to get that dough. He won't even let them do a DNA test on the baby and cause of where he is located he doesn't have to. its' sick... it's like and eyebrow hasn't even been raised.
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137. "Show me proof"
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That's all I want.

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140. "proof of what?"
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I missed that.

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144. "RE: proof of what?"
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Bobby Brown, Ike Turner, Whitney being a coke head sex freak, Tina Turner being a ho, Stern killing Smith...I know there are double standards but where's the actual proof. I don't want theories or conjectures.

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145. "but you see that's my point.. .it's ALL a theory whether it's"
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Tina's side of the story or Ike's
Bobby's side of the story or Whitney's

WE were not there... so we will never know.. you have to take all those things with a grain of salt...
that's the problem with celebrity and America...
we act like we know for sho fo sho. when in reality we don't and it's best to leave it up to the Universe.
My point about Stern, if he was black... they would have hung him.

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166. "all you have to do is pay attention"
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no pun intended

  

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167. "Bingo."
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yup. Cats run they mouth so much they don't hear nothing else.

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174. "That's not proof though"
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177. "you don't trust your own consciousness.....?????"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=9&topic_id=101068&mesg_id=101068&page=#101208

  

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178. "hahaha..."
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this is true Nettrice...

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185. "What does consciousness have to do with proof?"
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It's subjective. Proof is objective and sometimes you need a little of both to deal with people.

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187. "Do you need proof to know if it's hot or cold outside"
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Does the media or some written source always have to tell you this (at that very moment)? or can you "consciously" get out of bed look out the window or step outside for minute to find out what it's like outdoors....



The point that I am trying to make is that. Don't always rely or some sort of written proof. Because just like everything else the information could be altered or at the least, become proper propoganda......

  

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191. "exactly..."
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well said.
It's like when I build with sisters about the racism black men face...
sometimes they are so busy telling me it's not true...
that they ignore the obvious...
yes.

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195. "What the does this have to do with anything?"
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>The point that I am trying to make is that. Don't always rely
>or some sort of written proof.

Doesn't have to be written. It could be a photo, an audio clip, a video...

>Because just like everything
>else the information could be altered or at the least, become
>proper propoganda......

That's right. Anything can become propaganda, so I take it all with a grain of salt until my reasoning shows me other otherwise.

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No matter where you read it,
Or who said it,
Even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense.” ~ Buddha

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198. "RE: What the does this have to do with anything?"
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>
>Doesn't have to be written. It could be a photo, an audio
>clip, a video...
>
>


Come on Net... I know you better....

A photo can be altered with Photoshop.... people do it all the time

I'm produce music independently at my home. I have all kinds of software and hardware programs and products that alters all kinds of audio in all formats....

If I work it hard enough I can easily manipulate a piece of audio and make it something that it wasn't. I can even mix it so proper that you would swear it sounded original..

I even got a Video program that allows me to rip original video files and DVD movies and I can splice take out and insert audio tracks, video frames, whatever....


We are in the information age now, anything can be "fixed"

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199. "Exhibit A (this happens to be my office desktop)"
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http://www.need4sheed.com/wallpapers.html


Peep The Piston Haze Photo in the second row, far right side

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200. "You do realize you are responding to a digital artist/teacher?"
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;)


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Or who said it,
Even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense." ~ Buddha

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201. "Well then you should know better"
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than to take "certain" photos at face value

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202. "You keep missing my quote"
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"Believe nothing.
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Or who said it,
Even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense." ~ Buddha

There is no reason in the world you can make me believe something unless I choose to believe it. Proof refers to any evidence that helps to establish the truth of something. However, it also can refer to a sound argument free from emotions or reactions. For example, a series of statements showing that if one thing is true something else necessarily follows from it. Racism isn't true because I say so but I can make comparisons and sound arguments to prove that it is so.

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204. "Exactly you've proved my point"
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There is no reason in the world you can make me believe something unless I choose to believe it.


I read the whole reply but there was no need to go any further.

If you noticed what I said in the post that I linked you to eariler, you should realize that what you just wrote is the essence of the Science of Knowledge.....


I/not I

Self/not Self....

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~~~~~~~~~~~~
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108. "RE: White folks and the gay thing..."
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you and your rules.

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112. "Hmm... so I guess the White Power Structure doesn't have rules?"
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hahaha... right Aqua controls everything.
I love how everything I said went ignored..
cause your preoccupied with me? Lol. Exactly.

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117. "RE: Hmm... so I guess the White Power Structure doesn't have rules?"
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>hahaha... right Aqua controls everything.
>I love how everything I said went ignored..
>cause your preoccupied with me? Lol. Exactly.
>

"so I guess the White Power Structure doesn't have rules?"

You're stating the obvious, as usual, which has nothing to do with you and how you react to a given situation. It would appear you are controlled...

And delusional as usual. If someone asks you a question that strikes at the heart of what you're saying you always start tossing a certain fish all over the place.

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118. "hahaha... that's it? If you spent this much time discussing the issues"
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and not me... you'd be aiight. Haha... take that Dr.Phil shit elsewhere potnah, how about actually discussing the issue and reading the post... there's a thought... a post... meant to be read..hmmm.. I should trademark that concept.
hahaha...

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209. "RE: hahaha... that's it? If you spent this much time discussing the iss..."
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>and not me... you'd be aiight. Haha... take that Dr.Phil
>shit elsewhere potnah, how about actually discussing the issue
>and reading the post... there's a thought... a post... meant
>to be read..hmmm.. I should trademark that concept.
>hahaha...
>

Spent this much time? Took me like 5 seconds to reply and 15 to read your post. Yes, I read it. This is a prime example of why having some sort of civil discussion with you is frivolous.

I'm not Dr. Phil-ing you.

So, since white folks have color issues it is hypocritical for them to champion equality, however you would like to define that word, for gay folks. I'll grant the hypocrisy and assumptions (because it's easier). We, therefore, should not address the gay issue and instead focus solely on race until...until what?

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220. "Here... I swear ya'll get straight salty fighting for attention..here mo..."
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so I guess the White Power Structure doesn't have rules?"

(
You're stating the obvious, as usual, which has nothing to do with you and how you react to a given situation. It would appear you are controlled... )

See this is why I didn't respond... how exactly is you taking weak ass shots a discussion? Again, so worried about Aqua.. .and not the topic. Typical, you damn right i'm not responding... your not worth the time trying to talk like this. Yawn. Do better.

(And delusional as usual. If someone asks you a question that strikes at the heart of what you're saying you always start tossing a certain fish all over the place.)

I can't believe I wasted my time entertaining your foolish diatribe.
Bitter are we?
lol.

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232. "RE: Here... I swear ya'll get straight salty fighting for attention..her..."
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Why didn't you make this reply in 118?

I asked you a question and you didn't answer.

Please stop with the salty/I want attention bullshit. I've made 1515 posts since...I don't even remember when I joined...way back.

edit: can you answer in a civil manner, por favor?

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TOPIC... I MEAN HOW HARD IS IT TO GET THAT?

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121. "Thoughts"
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Since when are queer rights a white-only agenda?

And What is the actual order in which we should be dealing with all the forms of discrimination and oppression in society? Who's first? Who's last? Because I always thought that since the opportunities for equality and justice are so hard to get, and so hard to come by, if you have a chance to get it - take it, and fuck it if it means a "less oppressed" group of people get theirs before another "more oppressed". If the perfect storm for justice comes along, you don't just let it pass you buy because the other group didn't get their turn yet . . . or not?

Maybe I'm being too simplistic here - but I think that if you're straight up wrong on something, you're wrong - and it shouldn't matter if you come from a group that's experienced oppression or not. ie - I don't care if South Asians in Canada have experienced serious racism in their time here - it ain't cool to be sexist or tolerate spousal abuse. That's a difference matter and has little to do with the very real discrimination they faced. It doesn't mean you get a free pass.

Just like I don't understand this notion that no one who happens to be white can call out black folks who are hateful towards queer folks. Or a white non-Jew has no business telling an Israeli that the occupation is a gross human rights violation, because they've never experienced anti-semitism, and as a white non-Jew person they're part of a group that still promotes anti-semitism, so they should shut up.

What this whole debate illustrates is how each group seems to have some issues with really embracing full equality and justice for all (let's not let the queer community off, I know a few queer black folks who've had serious issues with racist white queer people in the community).

I really think this just all amounts to finger pointing and excuses. The only difference really is that straight white men have more power than anyone else - not that they're any more guilty of bullshit than anyone else.

I think some people are just looking for ways to avoid dealing with nasty things within their own communities.

  

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126. "Thank GOD for The Sauce... this is what I'm talking about..."
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(Since when are queer rights a white-only agenda?)

It's not... however in regards to never actuall being the victim in this country... they love it when the spotlight is on. It's like when a mall shooting happens in Co or Iowa... or some columbine shit.
The Victims purposely hug in front of the Camera... crying and looking into each others eyes. It's sick. If someone was killed you get your babies and get the fuck outta there, cameras or not...
but they love to ham it up with the woe is me. Cause they have been the guilty party for so long in this country... this is a platform they will exploit and make sensational. It's like their way of saying 'yeah so how do you like it?' haha.. I mean Civil rights for all people should be the movement. Period.

(And What is the actual order in which we should be dealing with all the forms of discrimination and oppression in society? Who's first? Who's last?)

You deal with it as it was dealt to you. let's not play stupid money.
White fucks got some serious shit to deal with.
Let's start with the Native Americans and the descendents of slavery.
Let's get that leveled playing field. I could answer that question all day cause aint a damn thing grey about it.

( Because I always thought that since the opportunities for equality and justice are so hard to get, and so hard to come by, if you have a chance to get it - take it, and fuck it if it means a "less oppressed" group of people get theirs before another "more oppressed".)

which is the basis of all supremecy... nah... see that's how this country was built. So when that less oppressed group gets heated, bags up some guns and wage war... don't be surprised taking that approach. Karma money.

( If the perfect storm for justice comes along, you don't just let it pass you buy because the other group didn't get their turn yet . . . or not? )
the perfect storm?
That's my point.... how can the group that is responsible for the storm to begin with now declare when it's justice? Isn't that Charles Manson becoming a reverend? lol.

(Maybe I'm being too simplistic here - but I think that if you're straight up wrong on something, you're wrong - and it shouldn't matter if you come from a group that's experienced oppression or not.)

Oh Agreed. The issue with Hardaway, again for the umpteenth time.. he was flat out wrong. He's a fucking dumb ass ball player namean... i don't expect anything solid from him outside of his playing ability. Yeah sure. The cat from Grey's Anatomy has said again and again he never used that word... however i find it funny that in a country that reveres John Wayne, that no one ever mentions the fact he wouldn't even work with black actors and used the word nigger like saying 'hi'. It's just the typical american double standard.
Also, the cat Isiah has never even been given the chance to explain his side of the story... he's was guilty from jump. Mind you, if he did say those things... then he's wrong no getting around it.
However, how is it he gets more press than Bush creating lies on Iraq and Iran and all the innocent people killed in
Iraq
Iran
Lebanon
Palestine? it shows us where our priorities are.

( ie - I don't care if South Asians in Canada have experienced serious racism in their time here - it ain't cool to be sexist or tolerate spousal abuse.)

You don't care? Hmm... how does that work? One thing social, will lead to two thing social... so...

( That's a difference matter and has little to do with the very real discrimination they faced. It doesn't mean you get a free pass.)

Hmm? What? Who said anything about a free pass? Are you sure you read what was written? I mean I think your slipping here.

(Just like I don't understand this notion that no one who happens to be white can call out black folks who are hateful towards queer folks.)

That's not the point... it's just white folks have some fucking nerve considering they have never dealt with thier own issues collectively... all i will say to that is Katrina. perfect example.


( Or a white non-Jew has no business telling an Israeli that the occupation is a gross human rights violation, because they've never experienced anti-semitism, and as a white non-Jew person they're part of a group that still promotes anti-semitism, so they should shut up.)

Murder and theft is murder and theft.

(What this whole debate illustrates is how each group seems to have some issues with really embracing full equality and justice for all)

Bingo

(let's not let the queer community off, I know a few queer black folks who've had serious issues with racist white queer people in the community).
Please... many gay white men suffer from an elitist mentality.
I don't recall seeing Glad marching on belalf of Katrina or Iraq.
Bottom line is no one is exempt from mistakes... no race, person, color, religion... no one.

(I really think this just all amounts to finger pointing and excuses. The only difference really is that straight white men have more power than anyone else - not that they're any more guilty of bullshit than anyone else.)
I think they are more guilty of bullshit than anyone else..
you just said it... they have more power. I wouldn't even say their straight which is another conversation... lol.

(I think some people are just looking for ways to avoid dealing with nasty things within their own communities.)

Please...
I think ALL people avoid what's in their backyard...
Again... when I criticize black folks..
white people say nothinng..
when I criticize white folks they are up and arms and don't ever seem to remember it goes both ways.
namean.

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141. "OkPlayer has lost its BRAIN."
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I'm seeing a MOD cast ALL WHITE PEOPLE as being inwardly RACIST "whether they know it or not" because they have not financed the ENTIRE fuckin Revolution.



So I'm making shit up about how my parents gave their fuckin BLOOD for the US Civil Rights Movement?


You picked the wrong WHITE guy to CHILDISHLY GENERALIZE with.


So,are MODs permitted to make STUPID comments about OkPlayer members?


Your insinuations are just PATHETIC.



"oh-oh" is fuckin right.


Grow the FUCK UP and pull your head out of your AMERICAN ass.
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143. "Isotope your a fucking LIAR... she NEVER said that..."
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and again..
to pluck your card again... show us where..
cause her exact statement was
"All people are racist" she NEVER said all white people are racist... again... are you that desperate for attention?
Why are you on her straight making shit up?
your a fucking child. Ridiculous.

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147. "Yes I did and I stand by it"
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I wrote "everyone is racist", or

If you are not part of the solution...

For example, if I just stood by and let these faculty where I work get away with targeting and preventing an above average Black male student from getting his degree then I would be spitting in the face of my mother who was prevented from graduating valedictorian because she was a Black woman and it was the 60s. I would be kicking dust on my sister who was valedictorian and not allowed to speak. Most of the faculty/staff of color are standing by and I know for a fact that they have similar stories.

And that's just this month!

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150. "exactly."
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And that's why I called him a Liar with Mac mascara.
Yup.

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161. "^ Nice work.."
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Over the last 2 years I've spent about $40 k producing,recording and making videos for local Caribbean artists who would otherwise have ZERO support from anyone else.

I spent $15 k alone in VIDEOs for local Caribbean musicians ,actors and poets.

I put my money where my mouth is and I'm still spending at LEAST $1000.00 per MONTH on local AfroCaribbean Culture.

Thats includes
-a documentary about a Nigerian/Canadian machanical engineer and his life story.
-a short film featuring a Jamaican spoken word peot.
-4 Music videos featuring AfroCaribbean Musicians.
-4 CD's in the works.
-and a $40 000.oo Mac Studio I built SPECIFICALLY for local Caribbean Artists to have FREE access to.

This doesn't include the countless AfroCaribbean fund raisers and events I've contributed my time and resources to...usually for FREE.

But I'm sure thats some kind of creeping RACISM,right?




How much CASH,time and energy do YOU spend on YOUR community PER fuckin MONTH?









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163. "first off... WHERE DOES THIS POST SAY ISOTOPE IS A RACIST?"
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WHERE WAS THAT IN THE ORIGINAL POSTING?
ALSO... HOW IS IT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS WHAT WE FEEL?
WHAT NIGGAZ NEED TO BE SINGING AND DANCING FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT?
YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT BE CRITICAL OF EVERYWORD SAID..
YET NEVER ADDRESSED THE ACTUAL TOPIC
WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS SEEM LIKE SOMEONE IS CALLING YOU OUT?

DID YOU MISS LITTLE STATEMENTS LIKE
ALL POOR PEOPLE HAVE NO VOICE
I DON'T USE WORDS LIKE WHITEY AND CRACKA
ALL PEOPLE NEED A SELF EVAL??
I MEAN WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

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172. "What are you trying to prove? And to whom?"
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>Over the last 2 years I've spent about $40 k
>producing,recording and making videos for local Caribbean
>artists who would otherwise have ZERO support from anyone
>else.

Okay...but that still does not prove you don't have racist tendencies. The fact that you took my statement, "everyone is racist" to mean that "all white people are racist" and worse, "I am a racist" is suspect. Do you see me talking about all the white people I help daily as proof I am not racist? Nope, yet I do have a little of it in me and I work on it everyday.

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149. "I am NOT racist."
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PERIOD.


Can you READ that?


I am NOT RACIST <----did you get that part?

Thats means NOT FUCKING AT ALL!!


Maybe thats just something you can't rap your little brain around.
(I say little--not because you are AA---but,because you are pretty dumb.)

Maybe you just can't fathom that possibility.

But as a Grown Man --you should THINK about for it for ONE fuckin SECOND.



Your mind is so lost in the STUPIDITY that is the USA...I do pity you....that you are so detached from Objective Reality that everything is SUBJECTIVE to your racist reality.


You have co-opted racism as your world view....and you think thats CLEVER..
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151. "Who cares you are a LIAR."
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that's enough for me.

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268. "You are an idiot, however"
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You seem to have reacted to the original post in a way that many white people do when confronted with the sad reality of the current state of affairs in the West, and specifically America itself - to get defensive, and to point the finger at others, or back at the person making the original observation.


Maybe it is due to the overwhelming sense of self-centredness and ego-mania that plagues the United States, but I can say with some confidence the original poster was not refering to you in particular. In fact, no one cares about you specifically, or what your family is/does. Certainly, you can't refute the overall message that the poster was trying to get across, the irony that is white people 'advising' others on political correctness, or on the immorality of bigotry, when they (we) are the biggest purportators of it in the first place.


And really, how retarded was your assumption that the poster was equating molestation in the Catholic church to homosexuality. If you could see outside your particular box, you may have been able to see that he was simply saying that with that problem in their own back yards (which has been yet to be fixed,) how dare they critize others, who have yet to allow such outrages in their community.


The arguement you have made is what wastes so much time when these discussions (so rarely) come to light... You can't deny the overall truthfullness of what the original poster discussed.





  

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146. "#129"
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>I'm seeing a MOD cast ALL WHITE PEOPLE as being inwardly
>RACIST "whether they know it or not" because they have not
>financed the ENTIRE fuckin Revolution.

Oh stop it now. Here's what I wrote:

"Back in the 60s and 70s my parents and other pro-Black hippies used the term whitey to refer to The Man or the system that kept white folks in power. It wasn't a generalization."

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148. "that's not what he's referring to.. he's referring to your statement"
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that all people are racist.
So you see why I called him a liar?
He spun your statement into 'all white people are racist'.
How does that work?

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152. "lmao...I can defend my statement"
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>that all people are racist.

!!!

Stop namecalling.

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153. "I just hate liars yo... I mean damn..."
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I hate how cats can ignore the entire subject and just personalize everything..
I guess the guilty will speak.

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154. "Notice how we're not discussing gay folks, anymore"
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lol

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155. "Excatly... that's my point... okay back to the topic at hand..."
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Got a question for you..
how do you feel about gay men adopting kids?
Just a question.

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156. "lmao"
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>Got a question for you..
>how do you feel about gay men adopting kids?

I don't care about no gay men adopting kids! As long as they're good parents it doesn't matter to me.

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157. "Exactly."
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Also...
if you had a son... who was say.. 5
would you let a gay man who lived alone watch him?
yes, welcome to "clear the air" with Aqua Smiley your host..
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158. "RE: Exactly."
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>Also...
>if you had a son... who was say.. 5
>would you let a gay man who lived alone watch him?

Hell, yeah...considering some the heterosexual male freaks I've met.

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159. "RE: #129"
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>"Back in the 60s and 70s my parents and other pro-Black
>hippies used the term whitey to refer to The Man or the system
>that kept white folks in power. It wasn't a generalization."

So,because the term "whitey" is used by black folk -THEREFORE- MY parents MUST have used the "n" word to describe AA's?


wow......what happened OkPlayers brain?


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164. "WHAT???? HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT?"
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I mean are you high or what?
Come out them islands for a minute dawg... damn...
why are making these horrible connecting of the dots?

First... Nettrice said Whitey..
I asked you the questions... just so you know we are two different people.
So I see, your not a liar... you just aint on point... whatever ganja you blazing pass it to me... damn.

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169. "RE: #129"
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>So,because the term "whitey" is used by black folk -THEREFORE-
>MY parents MUST have used the "n" word to describe AA's?

If you know of a system where AAs or "niggas" are running ish then please enlighten me. Otherwise, stop showing your scales...or should I say 'horns'. lol

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160. "Back on TOPIC-I'm still curious about Isiahs "side of the story"..."
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I'd like to see what Netrice says about that .




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165. "just caue nettrice is black don't mean Isiah lives with her or some shit"
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How the hell would she know?
you have to be high. Have to.

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173. "This whole exchange is heelarious"
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...and sad.

It's a good thing I'm bored.

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176. "well let's go back to the issues.. .question..."
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do you think promotion of sexuality as a political platform merely to be a tactic in sensationalism and offers the possibility of exclusion? iN other words...

if the concept of being 'gay' wasn't used... and just the concept of 'justice for all' wouldn't that parallel people to work together to combat injustice?
I personally feel that once you present your sexuality for anyone, promote it on any level... you have lost the argument.
What you think?

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188. "RE: well let's go back to the issues.. .question..."
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>I personally feel that once you present your sexuality for
>anyone, promote it on any level... you have lost the
>argument.
>What you think?


I think you are a homophobe because you think gays are "promoting" something or have an "agenda".

^^ This is the THE EXACT SAME rhetoric that gay bashers employ.



But, you aren't a homophobe ,are you?


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168. "I'm just curious-what does she think about Isiahs comments..?"
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She 's said NOTHING but to agree with your silly ramblings and pat YOU on the back for your lucid and riveting bullshit.

If you can ask white people "has a family ever used the 'n' word" why can't I ask Nettrice what she thinks about poor Isiahs homophobic "side of the story"?

Right?

You have no idea how convoluted you 2 look--skipping around Isiahs naked stupidity.


You aren't gay bashing BUT you insist Isiah has a "side of the story" to tell about his gay bashing.....wtf?





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170. "lol...your isshews are showing"
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>She 's said NOTHING but to agree with your silly ramblings

I don't usually agree with anyone's ramblings unless it makes sense.

>and pat YOU on the back for your lucid and riveting bullshit.

^^^Childish statement^^^

>If you can ask white people "has a family ever used the 'n'
>word" why can't I ask Nettrice what she thinks about poor
>Isiahs homophobic "side of the story"?

Personally, I think Isaiah Washington has some bones in his closet but I will let him tell folks what they are. lol I will say that he has a history of 'popping off' at the wrong people (he got his ass shot, too). Another person who popped off was Michael Richards and, being fair, I did not see that guy go through what Washington is going through (this is called a double standard). It is interesting to me how people are talking b.s. about the Washington situation without being there or know exactly what went down. All I see/hear are knee-jerk reactions.

When "mature" people have a disagreement they usually sit down and work things out instead of namecalling. I know a little about Washington's history and I know that he has a temper...and does stupid ish without thinking about the consequences. I know a few posters like that on this board. I know that homosexuality is still a taboo in the more conservative Black communities in the U.S. and that Black homosexuals have an even rougher time than white ones. This brings me back to race, again. I can't escape it and I don't ever run from it or see myself as immune of it. Sexuality is another touchy subject in Black communities as is explored in another post about Byron Hurt's film, Beyond Beats.

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175. "I don't think one portion of that statement is true..."
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" I know that homosexuality is still a taboo in the more conservative Black communities in the U.S. and that Black homosexuals have an even rougher time than white ones."

At least not in Baltimore/DC...
also if you look at the amount of younger gay cats coming up it doesnt ring true also...
now if your saying black people as a collective sure...
but I don't know how I feel about that...

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179. "RE: lol...your isshews are showing"
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> Another person who popped
>off was Michael Richards and, being fair, I did not see that
>guy go through what Washington is going through (this is
>called a double standard).


I guess you haven't been paying attention.
I've seen him get crucified all over the internet and TV-->--and RIGHTFULLY so.
His career is probably OVER.
Good riddance that fuckin goof.

How about Isiah...will he STILL Be a Billionaire athlete?



>When "mature" people have a disagreement they usually sit down
>and work things out instead of namecalling. I know a little
>about Washington's history and I know that he has a
>temper...and does stupid ish without thinking about the
>consequences.


STILL ZERO comments on the SPECIFICs of Washingtons STUPID comments.


Don't give me some racial run around.

Just SAY IT without qualification--Washington is a Homophobic MORON.


Yes/no?

Or are AA's absolved of moral judgements simply because they have brown skin and white people made them slaves for 500 years?


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184. "Haven't you heard?"
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Black people have moral authority.

>I guess you haven't been paying attention.

You need to pay closer attention. If Richards was still starring in Seinfeld we would see the difference/double standard more. His career was already over when he decided to show his scales.

>STILL ZERO comments on the SPECIFICs of Washingtons STUPID
>comments.
>
>
>Don't give me some racial run around.

I answered your question. It's just not the answer you want to hear. Oh well...

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190. "STILL ZERO DIRECT commentary on Isiah."
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Is he a gay basher or not?

Is there some qualifications we need to hear about Washingtons "side of the story"?

So,because Sienfield is cancelled-Richards career is already over?

Steve Martin quite SNL back in 1970's--he's an had quite the CAREER since then.

Richards career is OVER...NOW.


How about Washingtons?


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192. "Are you slow money? I mean for real... I think we answered your"
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foolish rant... Isiah is not on these boards
and he has NOT gone public about his position other than saying he didn't say it...
there has been no interview with him...
I mean how foolish are you being right now son?

Is he a gaybasher or not?
What??? Even if he said faggot in a heated moment doesn't make him a gay basher...
it doesn't mean he doesn't have gay friends or sides with civil unions etc... it may mean he took the word lightly in front of others and has no idea how this would affect him...

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194. "Here's your answer...take it or leave it"
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"Personally, I think Isaiah Washington has some bones in his closet but I will let him tell folks what they are. lol I will say that he has a history of 'popping off' at the wrong people (he got his ass shot, too). Another person who popped off was Michael Richards and, being fair, I did not see that guy go through what Washington is going through (this is called a double standard). It is interesting to me how people are talking b.s. about the Washington situation without being there or know exactly what went down. All I see/hear are knee-jerk reactions.

When "mature" people have a disagreement they usually sit down and work things out instead of namecalling. I know a little about Washington's history and I know that he has a temper...and does stupid ish without thinking about the consequences. I know a few posters like that on this board. I know that homosexuality is still a taboo in the more conservative Black communities in the U.S. and that Black homosexuals have an even rougher time than white ones. This brings me back to race, again. I can't escape it and I don't ever run from it or see myself as immune of it. Sexuality is another touchy subject in Black communities as is explored in another post about Byron Hurt's film, Beyond Beats."

I'm not trying to do your dance. I cut and pasted from my previous email.

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171. "Probably cause your silly ass kirked out when I asked it... so."
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why should she answer you?
not to mention I asked you about YOUR family...
you asked her about some nigga she's probably never met...
see the difference
you GOT to be HIGH.
Straight up.

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180. "I already discussed my family much more than I care to.."
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and you simply dismissed it as fairy tale that I made up.

Nettrice said "oh-oh" like I'm some typical white american...nice WEAK assumption
...how ADULT and "mature".



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181. "Oh I did? Where did I say that? There you go lying again..."
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I mean if your going to engage in conversation don't you think it's best to deal with what we ACTUALLY said?

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182. "YOu don't have the GUTS to SAY what you MEAN."
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You just tip toe around shit.

-One sentence you SAY you are not a homophobe.
-in the NEXT sentence you exhort us to check for a retarded homophobes "side of the story" and decry the hypocritical treatment of a fuckin retarded HOMOPHOBE.


Who gives a fuck about the irrelevant issue of hypocrisy when dealing such a SIMPLE issue?


Was Isiah WRONG or NOT?

There is ZERO reason to QUALIFY your answer.


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183. "Um... let me show you how ridiculous you are..."
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-One sentence you SAY you are not a homophobe.

I'm not.

-in the NEXT sentence you exhort us to check for a retarded homophobes "side of the story" and decry the hypocritical treatment of a fuckin retarded HOMOPHOBE.

So now he's a retarded homophobe even tho' you nor I have heard his side of the story? See this is what makes you white.
lol.
This is exactly my point. Beleiving the hype machine..
ready to lynch someone and you don't even know what happened.
I mean... how silly is that?
Tim Hardaway... he fucked up... that's a fact. We know this. I have said this about 12times in this post and you don't get it.
I guess if niggaz aint letting you film them and smoke with em... we can't understand what's going on?
My point? I never said Isiah was innocent or guilty... I wasn't there... his colleagues have teamed up against them... his all white colleagues at that. Does that make him a guilty man? No.
If he DID say it, of course, regardless of what color he is.
haha... unreal.

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186. "AGAIN..WHAT IS his "side of the story"..he HATES gays...and?"
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Go ahead.

Since you seem to have the inside track...TELL us.

Incidentally...is there a "side of the story" for racists and bigots?

Is there a "side of the story" for ANYONE who deals in HATE?



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189. "Um... you are a clown... sorry man your not even of sound mind..."
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straight up...
I think anyone with a ounce of common sense would realize what I said...
so you want his side of the story yet you have already declared him a homophobe and trash. Hmmm. Nice.

As I pointed out at least 15 times...
he hasn't shared his side of the story..
all he's said is he has never said that word...

as far as racists and bigots are concerned... everyone has a side of the story...

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193. "So,there is a Gay Bashing "side to the story",right?"
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>As I pointed out at least 15 times...
>he hasn't shared his side of the story..
>all he's said is he has never said that word...
>
>as far as racists and bigots are concerned... everyone has a
>side of the story...


REALLY?


So the Afrikaaners in aparthied era SA had a "side of the story" that we should have considered?

How about the KKK guys who lynched Black Men ?
Is there a "side of the story" we should consider?

How about the gay bashers that beat and kill gays?
Is there a "side of the story" we should SERIOUSLY consider?

The cops that put 46 slugs into Diallo?
Is there a "side to the story" we missed?


By no means am I equating racism with homophobia.

No doubt gays have had it a LOT easier that Black Americans...by a LONG shot.
(excluding AA gays of course)


What "side of the story" do we NEED to know about ignorance and HATE?

Please enlighten me.





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196. "RE: So,there is a Gay Bashing "side to the story",right?"
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>By no means am I equating racism with homophobia.

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197. "Whats Hardaways' "side of the story"?"
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205. "Aqua -isms..."
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"Being gay is on par with the one white girl who lvoes black men and must fuck black men. She's identifying with something that is beyond her normal setting (perhaps family, friends, church what have you) but forgets it all to do what she lusts/loves"

"what I am saying is...
if people complain about blacks trying to act white or white trying to act black... how can they be accepting of gays? it's the same thing... technically... or vice versa...
it's one in the same... they are stepping outside of the so called 'normal'realm in both instances...."


"historically persecuted? by whom?
Catholic priests... gay
american presidents... gay
famous composers... gay
famous writers... gay
masons....gay"

"a political party based on sexuality is dumb.Where does it stop? When pedophiles create a huge political base... does that then mean they are right? How does one's sexuality find a political place?"

......and he never made parallels between queers and pedophiles? Riiight.

I say we need to conduct an OK fundraiser to get Aqua a gift cerificate to the same place GLAAD sent Mr. Washington

Refer to post 203 to collect my two cents for the cause...

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210. "^ And we have a Mod coming to Aqua's aid."
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Acceding to his weak insinuations.



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211. "What?"
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~~~~~~~~~~~~
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215. "It was actually the other way around"
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...and it's unnecessary. You need to stop twisting other people's words around to fit your p.o.v.

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216. "Yu like those Aqua-ism's,Nettrice?"
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yes/no?

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218. "Everything you said is a LIE."
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So thanks for painting yourself.

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224. "RE: Everything you said is a LIE."
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Kid, I could resort to name calling like you have (no one appreciates the accusation of being A LIAR), but I'll just say I really hope you one day realize a better approach to getting your point across, b/c I do think you're a great thinker, writer at times, and that your degree of self/societal analysis as illustrated through some of your posts is noteworthy.

With that said, I'd would've assumed this would go without saying for someone such as yourself, but since it's apparently not, I'll drop a gem:

Attempting to condescend, belittle and/or ridicule people who take time out of their day to contribute to a discussion prompted by you isnt exactly going to get your point across. The fact that your point is inherently homophobic doesnt help either.

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226. "Let's discuss THIS post... I'm here waiting on you."
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Homophobic? Lol.
No sir... not at all. But you see, this is what I'm talking about.
Now, just to be clear..
on this post there was an original typo... we have already pointed that out... but if you read my responses you will see a consistancy...
there isn't anything homophobic about what I have said.

That, um post you posteD? I'm not too sure about that one...
I will say this..
you cannot compare the struggle of black folks to gays.. .

that's not changing potnah... whether you understand that or not.

pick ur poison, I'm here.

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227. "RE: Let's discuss THIS post... I'm here waiting on you."
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Honestly aqua, there isnt much more to discuss because the last point of discussion that I made in the post "you're not so sure about" applies to this one as well:

"No one charged you with bashing anything except the possibility of the inclusion of queers in the black agenda. Your whole arguement is fundementally based on alienating queers from our communities, invalidating our roles in said communities, and distinguishing yourself/ the black agenda from our interests as queer black folk."

Which negates a united black community and is, whether you see it or not, homophobic.

The fact that I'm queer black man calling you out on this doesnt make it so, the fact that those ARE things you typed and however you try to backpeddle or knit pick over terminology, phrasing, or interpretation the sentiments that you back up your posts with would in fact undermine any contribution/ inclusion of queers if everyone subscribed to them.

...and please dont try to tell me that everyone already does.

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228. "RE: Let's discuss THIS post... I'm here waiting on you."
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(Honestly aqua, there isnt much more to discuss because the last point of discussion that I made in the post "you're not so sure about" applies to this one as well:

"No one charged you with bashing anything except the possibility of the inclusion of queers in the black agenda. Your whole arguement is fundementally based on alienating queers from our communities, invalidating our roles in said communities, and distinguishing yourself/ the black agenda from our interests as queer black folk.")

Hmmm? Nah not even... in fact, I have made the point over and over in this very post that robbing any man of his civil rights is ridiculous... I have cited that what about being black and gay?
Where does that leave many? The Black community in Baltimore isn't some hide under a rock community as you suggest. One man or any man couldn't rob them of their power nor should they. That isn't the point of this post. I invite you to read the entire post... not select portions.


(Which negates a united black community and is, whether you see it or not, homophobic.)

The Black Community does have homophobia... but it is not homophobic.
Meaning, all communities have homophobia... but that doesn't mean collectively they are. Black people have a strange relationship with themselves. Most black people will love Luther... but not relate to the gay man living in thier building. One of the reasons of this is sensationalism versus basic education. Sure gay men have been equated to the lowest commond denominator traditionally in our community, however that myth has long been dispelled through your James Baldwin's or your regular working man in your own hood.
Nah, can't co-sign. Sure the black community is built on the hypermale sexual component... sure... but so is the Italian community, the Irish community, the Mexican community... so we all suffer from that hidden misunderstanding.


(The fact that I'm queer black man calling you out on this doesnt make it so, the fact that those ARE things you typed and however you try to backpeddle or knit pick over terminology, phrasing, or interpretation the sentiments that you back up your posts with would in fact undermine any contribution/ inclusion of queers if everyone subscribed to them.)

Yawn. Again, if you want to discuss THIS post... I'm all for it..
Period. I stand behind any and everything I say... and when I don't...
I'll let you know.
K?
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231. "RE: Let's discuss THIS post... I'm here waiting on you."
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>"Hmmm? Nah not even... in fact, I have made the point over and over in this very post that robbing any man of his civil rights is ridiculous... I have cited that what about being black and gay?
Where does that leave many? The Black community in Baltimore isn't some hide under a rock community as you suggest. One man or any man couldn't rob them of their power nor should they. That isn't the point of this post. I invite you to read the entire post... not select portions."




I did and it wasnt easy. I'm relatively aware of the black community in Baltimore (I have friends who are attending MICA) and I dont think I suggested it was under a rock.

Yeah, you did bring those points up, and even if you're right that anyone and everyone's civil rights are impervious to change (which I believe they are not, however ridiculous that sounds to you) that doesnt mean peope arent trying obviously.


>"The Black Community does have homophobia... but it is not homophobic."

Typed with a grin---> I was referring to...um..your homophobia. Lemme say that I know you are a progressive thinker, aqua and I can appreciate and I have grown from a few of the things you and some other OK's have posted in the sense that I wasnt familiar with "x" POV or topic and was incited to go search out info on it.

That said, there are things that you type that undermine your credibility when it comes to the discussion of queerdom and there's no getting around that until you see and understand what I and others are referring to.



>" I stand behind any and everything I say... and when I don't...
I'll let you know.
K?
We can still build if you want to."


Understood. And I'm glad, b/c good discourse is few and far between.

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236. "RE: Let's discuss THIS post... I'm here waiting on you."
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>"Hmmm? Nah not even... in fact, I have made the point over and over in this very post that robbing any man of his civil rights is ridiculous... I have cited that what about being black and gay?
Where does that leave many? The Black community in Baltimore isn't some hide under a rock community as you suggest. One man or any man couldn't rob them of their power nor should they. That isn't the point of this post. I invite you to read the entire post... not select portions."




I did and it wasnt easy.

((((((OF COURSE NOT LOOK WHO i'M DEALING WITH. I MEAN YOU HAVE CATS ON HERE MAKING UP SHIT TO GET THEIR POV ACROSS. THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED YOU TALK TO ME, GET IT STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH ))))

I'm relatively aware of the black community in Baltimore (I have friends who are attending MICA) and I dont think I suggested it was under a rock.

Yeah, you did bring those points up, and even if you're right that anyone and everyone's civil rights are impervious to change (which I believe they are not, however ridiculous that sounds to you) that doesnt mean peope arent trying obviously.

((((BUT YOU SEE, MY WHOLE POINT IS THAT WHEN REACHING FOR A CIVIL AGENDA, INCLUSIVENESS IS THE KEY... NOT EXCLUSION... THE GAY COMMUNITY HAS IN MANY REGARDS SUFFERED FROM THIS ASPSECT POLITICIALLY... OF COURSE IT COMES BACK TO EDUCATION VERSUS SENSATIONALISM OF THE SO CALLED HETEROSEXUAL COMMUNITY... HOWEVER... IN BALTIMORE i SEE A ILL PARALLEL OF CO-EXISTANCE. PERHAPS IT'S MORE TRADITIONAL FOR COMMUNITIES TO RESPOND LIKE THAT.. .HOWEVER BALTIMORE'S GAY COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VOCAL, THRIVING, AND VIBRANT FOR MANY YEARS... WELL INTO THE 60-70S SO MAYBE THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. EITHER WAY, ONE MAN'S INJUSTICE IS AN INJUSTICE FOR ALL OF US.
I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THE MOVEMENT TO 'STOP' CIVIL UNIONS FOR GAY MARRIAGE... HOWEVER, I THINK AN ISSUE FOR ME IS EVEN CALLING IT GAY MARRIAGE AS OPPPOSSED TO WHAT IT REALLY IS... MARRIAGE. TO ME THAT'S AN INSTANT ALIENATION NOT UNLIKE USING THE TERM MINORITY... WHICH ISN'T EVEN ACCURATE AND SOMETHING I DON'T USE.))))


>"The Black Community does have homophobia... but it is not homophobic."

(((Typed with a grin---> I was referring to...um..your homophobia.)))\

LISTEN MONEY, THAT'S NOTHING MORE THAN AN ACCUSATION. i WILL NOT RUN WITH ANY COOKIE CUTTER IDEAS... BUT TRUST ME ON THIS, YOUR WRONG. HOMOPHOBIA IS THE PROCESS OF NOT UNDERSTANDING TEH GAY CULTURE, ALIENATING THEM... CHASTISING THEM. i AM NOT HOMOPHOBIC... HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT GOING TO BE CRITICAL OF THEIR MOVEMENT AS I AM WITH EVERYONE'S MOVEMENT, BLACK ACTIVISM, WHITE LIBERALISM, CONSERVATISM, ETC... IT'S HOW WE LEARN TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER BETTER. THE GAY MOVEMENT HAS FLAWS TOO. SORRY TO BE THE ONE TO SAY IT BUT IT'S TRUE.

(( Lemme say that I know you are a progressive thinker, aqua and I can appreciate and I have grown from a few of the things you and some other OK's have posted in the sense that I wasnt familiar with "x" POV or topic and was incited to go search out info on it.)))

BINGO. WHICH REALLY IS THE POINT. MORE THAN YOU REALIZE.

(((That said, there are things that you type that undermine your credibility when it comes to the discussion of queerdom and there's no getting around that until you see and understand what I and others are referring to))))

WAIT, I REMEMBER YOU. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT ILL CONVERSATION WE HAD.. .YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER... IF YOU REMEMBER THAT CONVERASTION.
NAH, I'M NOT INTO BASHING ANYONE. AT ALL, I DEAL WITH FACTUAL INFORMATION AT ALL COUNTS... SOMETIMES CERTAIN THINGS ARE STATED TO JAR ONE'S MIND... HOWEVER HATE IS NEVER THE AGENDA. YOU WILL FIND MORE HATE IN SOMEONE WHO DELIBERATELY COMES TO MY POST AND MAKES UP THINGS ... THAT'S HATE. HOWEVER I AM ALWAYS OPEN TO SHARE AND LEARN. I'M NO ONE'S TEACHER... I'M ALWAYS THE STUDENT.



(((>" I stand behind any and everything I say... and when I don't...
I'll let you know.
K?
We can still build if you want to."


Understood. And I'm glad, b/c good discourse is few and far between.)))

AGREED, BUT NOW THAT YOUR BACK WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN... AGAIN.
TRUST... I REMEMBER YOU HOMIE...
i MEAN JUST LOOK AT WHAT WAS WRITTEN ON HERE...
LOOK AT THE RESPONSES FROM A CERTAIN FEW... THAT'S NOT DISCOURSE..
INSULTS
ACCUSATIONS THAT ARE INACCURATE
DISRESPECT AT EVERY TURN. NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID... BUT BECAUSE THEY FEAR THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX UNLESS THAT BOX COMES WITH THEIR COLOR OR RELIGION OR LANGUAGE OR FAV. SOMETHING.
I WON'T EVEN SPEAK ON IT... RE-READ THE ENTIRE POST.
YOU'LL SEE.

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240. "RE: Let's discuss THIS post... I'm here waiting on you."
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>"((((((OF COURSE NOT LOOK WHO i'M DEALING WITH. I MEAN YOU HAVE CATS ON HERE MAKING UP SHIT TO GET THEIR POV ACROSS. THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED YOU TALK TO ME, GET IT STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH ))))"

On getting things straight from the horses mouth... wait, I'll get back to this near the end.

>"I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THE MOVEMENT TO 'STOP' CIVIL UNIONS FOR GAY MARRIAGE... HOWEVER, I THINK AN ISSUE FOR ME IS EVEN CALLING IT GAY MARRIAGE AS OPPPOSSED TO WHAT IT REALLY IS... MARRIAGE. TO ME THAT'S AN INSTANT ALIENATION NOT UNLIKE USING THE TERM MINORITY... WHICH ISN'T EVEN ACCURATE AND SOMETHING I DON'T USE.))))"

True. And I think we both know a "civil union/marriage" isnt just a ceremnony. I agree that attatching "gay" to marriage is alienating. I dont even use the term "gay" in referring to the people I know who are exclusively queer because they dont represent what the gay culture has become. And I definately dont use it in reference to myslef because a.) I'm not exclusive when it comes to gender, and B.) I certainly dont identify with gay culture...much lol.


LISTEN MONEY, THAT'S NOTHING MORE THAN AN ACCUSATION. i WILL NOT RUN WITH ANY COOKIE CUTTER IDEAS... BUT TRUST ME ON THIS, YOUR WRONG. HOMOPHOBIA IS THE PROCESS OF NOT UNDERSTANDING TEH GAY CULTURE, ALIENATING THEM... CHASTISING THEM. i AM NOT HOMOPHOBIC... HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT GOING TO BE CRITICAL OF THEIR MOVEMENT AS I AM WITH EVERYONE'S MOVEMENT, BLACK ACTIVISM, WHITE LIBERALISM, CONSERVATISM, ETC... IT'S HOW WE LEARN TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER BETTER. THE GAY MOVEMENT HAS FLAWS TOO. SORRY TO BE THE ONE TO SAY IT BUT IT'S TRUE.

Yeah it is. I posted a link to our first convo, aqua, and quoted you from it in this post. In whatever context, those quotes support my accusation. Maybe you're not as homophobic or "anti-queer" (if that makes you feel better) as some other people who have been called out on it recently, but ...hey I think I've already said what I wanted to.



>"BINGO. WHICH REALLY IS THE POINT. MORE THAN YOU REALIZE."

How is that, when I brought it up? lol j/k...kind of.


WAIT, I REMEMBER YOU. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT ILL CONVERSATION WE HAD.. .YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER... IF YOU REMEMBER THAT CONVERASTION.
NAH, I'M NOT INTO BASHING ANYONE. AT ALL, I DEAL WITH FACTUAL INFORMATION AT ALL COUNTS... SOMETIMES CERTAIN THINGS ARE STATED TO JAR ONE'S MIND... HOWEVER HATE IS NEVER THE AGENDA. YOU WILL FIND MORE HATE IN SOMEONE WHO DELIBERATELY COMES TO MY POST AND MAKES UP THINGS ... THAT'S HATE. HOWEVER I AM ALWAYS OPEN TO SHARE AND LEARN. I'M NO ONE'S TEACHER... I'M ALWAYS THE STUDENT.

I didnt just remember our conversation ,I posted a link to it...? Unless you're referring to another?



AGREED, BUT NOW THAT YOUR BACK WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN... AGAIN.
TRUST... I REMEMBER YOU HOMIE...
i MEAN JUST LOOK AT WHAT WAS WRITTEN ON HERE...
LOOK AT THE RESPONSES FROM A CERTAIN FEW... THAT'S NOT DISCOURSE..
INSULTS
ACCUSATIONS THAT ARE INACCURATE
DISRESPECT AT EVERY TURN. NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID... BUT BECAUSE THEY FEAR THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX UNLESS THAT BOX COMES WITH THEIR COLOR OR RELIGION OR LANGUAGE OR FAV. SOMETHING.
I WON'T EVEN SPEAK ON IT... RE-READ THE ENTIRE POST.
YOU'LL SEE.

Hey, for as many of those personal attacks I've seen directed at you , I've read some from you that were unwarrented, especially when at times the points you were making were valid/ truth and wouldve been reflected over easier had they not been accompanied by a snark.

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True. And I think we both know a "civil union/marriage" isnt just a ceremnony. I agree that attatching "gay" to marriage is alienating. I dont even use the term "gay" in referring to the people I know who are exclusively queer because they dont represent what the gay culture has become. And I definately dont use it in reference to myslef because a.) I'm not exclusive when it comes to gender, and B.) I certainly dont identify with gay culture...much lol.



*** I think that it is what it is to you... ceremony or more... that's your choice... no different than someone telling you your 'ceremony is real or fake'.. namean...***


Yeah it is. I posted a link to our first convo, aqua, and quoted you from it in this post. In whatever context, those quotes support my accusation. Maybe you're not as homophobic or "anti-queer" (if that makes you feel better) as some other people who have been called out on it recently, but ...hey I think I've already said what I wanted to.

*** listen you being gay is one thing... you being gay and acting as the voice of all gay people is quite another... you can call me anti- queer, whatever makes you feel good... I'm not worried about that... many people on here call me racist and I'm not... so please... shoot away, however, if any logical person actually takes the time to read what I wrote they'll know better... it may be a little too progressive for some... however considering you have AGREED WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING I WROTE... DON'T YOU THINK YOU ARE NOW JUST SPEAKING TO BE SEEN AND HEARD AS OPPOSSED TO ANYTHING ELSE? LOL****



I didnt just remember our conversation ,I posted a link to it...? Unless you're referring to another?

**ACTUALLY YES I AM...***


Hey, for as many of those personal attacks I've seen directed at you , I've read some from you that were unwarrented, especially when at times the points you were making were valid/ truth and wouldve been reflected over easier had they not been accompanied by a snark.

*YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING... YOU STARTED OUT POSTING ON THIS SUBJECT WITH PERSONAL ATTACKS.. AND ACTING AS IF YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ELECTED VOICE FOR GAY CATS... AND YOUR NOT. TRUST ME... YOUR A GAY POSTER... FINE... BUT LET'S NOT ASSUME ANY POWER OR FOLLOWING YOU DO NOT HAVE... OF COURSE THESE CLOWNS ON HERE ARE GONNA RUN BEHIND YOU CAUSE THEY HAVE A VENDETTA AGAINST AQUA, THEY HAVE AT LEAST 13 POSTS AND NOT ONE DAMN THING TO SAY... LOL... SO TRUST... I'M GOING NOWHERE.. HAHAHAH*

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