4. "You didn't blame Jason Kidd for holding Giannis back" In response to Reply # 1
Russ is a former MVP who added an MVP level player. Still lost bad. Billy sucks but he didnt tell Russ to keep chucking bricks all game ____________________
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10. "RE: Nope. Michael Malone." In response to Reply # 8
> >>Budenholzer is reaping the benefits of players Kidd >developed >>just like Nick Nurse is reaping the benefits of players >Dwane >>Casey developed. > >If he doesn't get credit for Jokic, no one gets credit for >anyone.
I'll allow it, he still can't get upset in the first round by a 7 seed
14. "doesn't clear Russ...your OE impression isn't working" In response to Reply # 1
Very, very few would argue with you that Donovan doesn't deserve to get fried and ultimately fired.
And even fewer would argue against the white privilege running rampant in the NBA- particularly with coaches.
Its not really a debate.
But Donovan being awful doesn't mean Russ didn't just get murked.
Dame shoots better from 30+ feet than Russ does from 15.
Donovan can't shoot for Russ. Nor can he defend for him. Nor can he magically wave his hand and make Russ more consistent. Nah, Russ looks awful here. Even mentally/emotionally, Dame kicked his ass.
And I like Russ, but he gets fried. Rules are rules.
Hopefully they get a new coach. But Russ still has to smarten up. Maybe more than any star I can think of. Though PG seems to be getting dumber by association too.
6. "Breh Dame already deep fried him like he was on a county fair menu" In response to Reply # 0
I love Russ's talent and intensity but he's definitely at a crossroads in his career. Will he legacy be as one of the best players of this generation or as the leader of the rest of the best?
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
>also, PG is clearly hurt, but it was him I saw not making >plays down the stretch. > >russ is what he is and played as he played. it's weird how he >gets all the blame all the time > >www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
22. "come on we know how tight the west has been." In response to Reply # 21
and okc was in the 3/4 position at times during the year.
this was almost a pick series, if anything the odds were swung slightly (maybe not even the usual six points a night) for portland because they hosted the series. they got whipped in games 1 and 2, as a team they played terrible and russ was terrible. then in game 5 his opposite number totally dominated the game and stole the clincher.
if this when 7 and/or russ balled out, fine, but as it is, yeah, this is quite fry-able.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
26. "I had not read those predictions" In response to Reply # 20
all of the conversation I focused on was how bad okc looked coming down the stretch. Russell hasn't looked good all season and PG is clearly injured.
I'm not saying dude can't be criticized, he's supposed to be a top player and he went out in the first round. but acting like Dame and CJ -- even without Nurkic -- are some bums is bizarre. They got the 3rd seed in a really good western conference and Kanter has been great for them.
Even going out 4-1, considering what george hasn't been able to do, isn't shameful to me
but the thunder swept the blazers 4-0 in the regular season, all with nurkic. most of the analytics i saw pre-series had okc at 70-80% favorites to win.
the seeding isn't really significant imo, these teams were all clustered together and leapfrogging one another for 90% of the season.
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
31. "who's saying they are bums? wtf?" In response to Reply # 26
what's being said here is that dame is elite and probably turned the corner on a recent league mvp. nobody is acting like he was out here getting eliminated by ricky rubio's backup ...
that was last year.
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39. "dude. three straight first-round exits." In response to Reply # 34
>and losing to them gets you fried because.... what again?
doesn't matter who the coach is, when you're an elite/top-10 talent with respectable talent around you, you get fried for three straight first-round exits. and it's not like this is a new thing and russ has been singled out. cp3 was the laughingstock of the league for like a decade.
this year he objectively played like shit. shot 36% from the floor and didn't play anything near effective defense on lillard. defending him against this justified frying makes little sense. dude earned the criticism.
dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
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43. "it's nuts that ppl are trying to play up this "3 vs 6" angle." In response to Reply # 39
EVERYONE had okc winning this series. EVERYONE was talking about how they'd lucked into an easy path to the conf finals.
like, this was just 2 weeks ago. now all of a sudden they're scrappy underdogs? wtf.
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
48. "Right. And he did." In response to Reply # 46 Thu Apr-25-19 04:13 PM by khn
Portland getting swept in the first round last year as a higher seed *with* Dame getting shit on by Jrue Holliday was a disaster. For the team and especially him. That plus the Nurkic injury had the Blazers looking like a real soft target.
51. "damn man this is as obtuse as i've seen you" In response to Reply # 34
and that's saying something.
we are talking about his individual performance, which was weak AF, while his opposite number torched him.
i'm not even saying that they *should* have won the series. it was as much of a toss-up as any first round series this year. i had portland winning in 7. but they won in 5 and russy's performances ranged from substandard to embarrassing in some huge games (sucked in games 1 and 2, usual mess of high-usage and low-efficiency in game 5, etc). this isn't just about losing--had they lost in 7 games and it was a duel between the two stars, fine--this is how about they lost and how it fits into a broader pattern of losing.
playing shitty gets you fried. getting lit up gets you fried. you're over-thinking this.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
right, because there's nothing to disagree with about what I actually said.
I said he got outplayed.
y'all are the ones rapidly jumping back and forth between FRY HIM and WELL THEY'RE JUST AS GOOD AS PORTLAND THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BTW THE 3 AND THE 6...with him playing the same way he did in the series, during the season
66. "i don't know how many other people you're arguing with" In response to Reply # 63
and i don't care.
can we agree that 1) he got outplayed 2) he played poorly by any objective standard and 3) the teams were close but the series was not overall?
those seems like pretty concrete facts. now, interpretations thereof? i am not saying he is a choker or a regular-season player or whatever. but they have had winnable series and haven't been winning them. they don't seem like they are going to do great things with this group. now how can they change the team around him to make it successful? seems like their options are kind of limited, even though they do have a couple young guys who might step forward.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
67. "I don't really disagree with any of those things?" In response to Reply # 66
he played poorly all season and in the series.
his #1 value this year appeared to be basically as a comfort blanket for paul george to play with more confidence than we've ever seen because of whatever weird chemistry they have. the problem is that he got hurt.
paul was too injured to make up the difference in this series, adams is...whatever has happened to him, and russ could not go to another level.
the bad news for okc is that I don't think they can contend for a championship. but maybe that's ok? If they're relatively healthy I think they have years to go as a good team
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70. "George's stats for this series were virtually equal to his reg season" In response to Reply # 67
Except for 3 spots. He didn't shoot as well from 3, his steals were down slightly and his TO's almost doubled.
PG was balling. OKC should have won this series IMO. I think Russ (while stacking up his normal stats) just ran into the reality that his inefficiency equals death in a 7 game series.
And to your point, he played like this all year. So to everyone else's point, Russ is mostly the catalyst here considering dude has a 31% usage rate he refuses to diminish/defer a portion off.
Truth is, Russ should be a SG who drives to score or drives and kicks when he has the ball and should have around a 22% usage rate. They should have a distributor next to him who can shoot the 3 in the upper 30's at minimum.
As it stands, he's a guard who relies heavily on his athleticism to carry him and he's on the wrong side of 30 for that to be his game's crutch.
Hopefully, he'll tweak a few things, work on his J, watch film, realize Schroeder or PG can carry the load on O more and come back next year for a serious run.
74. "I feel like I covered this?" In response to Reply # 73
getting got by damian lillard & co. isn't embarrassing imo. if he came out and choked that'd be one thing, but playing the way he's been playing is definitively not choking.
I don't think the FRY HIM is about what happened on the court. I don't give a fuck if he's not respectful of the media and I don't even really care about him talking shit to lillard.
75. "how bad do you have to be to get fried then?" In response to Reply # 74 Sun Apr-28-19 06:50 PM by ConcreteCharlie
you have to play bad against a bad opponent who also plays great? seems like an impossible standard. how often does that happen? are you out here frying usa bball for 2004 still waiting on another opportunity?
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dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Thu Apr-25-19 02:59 PM
37. "if i'm presti, i'm taking calls." In response to Reply # 36
there's no real path to contention given the current state of their books, and he's at a point in his career when you could still get close to 100c on the dollar.
gimme lonzo, kuzma, a 1st and some cap relief and i'm pulling the trigger.
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
42. "RE: if i'm presti, i'm taking calls." In response to Reply # 37
>there's no real path to contention given the current state of >their books, and he's at a point in his career when you could >still get close to 100c on the dollar. > >gimme lonzo, kuzma, a 1st and some cap relief and i'm pulling >the trigger.
dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Thu Apr-25-19 05:33 PM
55. "tbh if i'm presti i'm pressing eject. " In response to Reply # 53
feels like the right time. pretty sure he could bag the lakers gig if he wants it.
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Thu Apr-25-19 10:44 PM
68. "i mean, you can substitute whatever package you like." In response to Reply # 61 Thu Apr-25-19 10:47 PM by dula dibiasi
my point is i don't think it would be crazy to consider moving him, for the right package.
if I'm presti I'm at least kicking the tires. what's the alternative, run it back? I've seen some ppl mention moving adams but idk what that really gets them in return that moves the needle.
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
76. "coaching change is obligatory." In response to Reply # 68
i dunno enough about their cap and shit to say for sure but i bet they have no money with three big ass contracts plus the rest of the roster. maybe adams+their souls for AD or something wild like that but let's not get too far off into speculative talk radio territory. but yeah i'd say make a coaching change first. i'd take calls on russ but the offer would have to be overwhelming.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
52. "Yeah, pass the buck. The organization has been pretty solid." In response to Reply # 36
They have managed their assets pretty well post-Harden trade (obviously they bungled that) and rolled with the punches. He could be in many worse situations. They have shown him love and he's shown it back.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
62. "I forgot how fucking stupid some of y’all are about the NBA " In response to Reply # 0
Fuck me... Russ is a loose cannon, but only because there is about a thimble of coaching or team building going on around him. Idiots acting like averaging a triple double in the NBA is some easy thing to do, even if a handful of boards are stat padding... garbage people.
78. "Grant shot 50% and 45% from 3" In response to Reply # 0
Blocked shots. Played his ass off with 16/8/3 blocks on 7/8 shooting in the elimination game.
Adams is Adams. Schroeder played as well as he could given the roll. PG didn’t match his pre-injury MVP level season, but he still put up huge numbers on 43% shooting(not great, but not meltdown Russ level).
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