14. "You said create though. " In response to Reply # 13
You also said rebound.
You probably do watch more Suns than I do if you watch all the Suns games.
I do watch the Suns though.
I can also guarantee that I’ve seen way more Brad Beal than you and he is absolutely not an elite defender. In fact aside from a random tweet or Wizards message board, that’s the first I ever heard that.
Does defense come into play for All-NBA? I dunno. I see Jokic First Team. The great defense of Steph Curry? Same? Kemba?
maybe switch kawhi and bron, but the rest is spot on.
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18. "I put Kawhi first team but I see an argument all over for him" In response to Reply # 2 Wed Mar-27-19 02:23 PM by ConcreteCharlie
He's missed a lot of time to be first team but when he's been healthy he's played at a first team level. You can sorta say the same for LeBron but not really, since the groin injury he's looked mad half-assed.
The OP has George and I can feel that, he's played his best season since before the injury and probably his best season period.
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kawhi playing the full season absolutely pushes PG to 2nd team.
kawhi missing 20ish games with "dnp-load mgmt" puts him in a debate w bron for the 4th forward spot.
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15. "I thought Center was the most debatable " In response to Reply # 4
Between Jokic and Embiid.
And between who gets 3rd team. Davis is still Davis. I just don’t see him getting it this year, even though he’s still the best center. Gobert has an argument.
He’s not as good as KAT, but Vucevic has had a hell of a year. In another season he’d have a legit argument for 3rd.
dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Wed Mar-27-19 04:56 PM
23. "of the top 4 teams in both conferences" In response to Reply # 21
denver's got by far the biggest gap btwn 1st and 2nd best player. i love murray as a future, and i know we're all pretending that he's already a stud, but he isn't. 15.3 PER, .091 WS/48, .533 TS%. dude is mid asf. he wouldn't even start on philly, he'd be their 5th or 6th best player.
and factor in the time that barton/harris/millsap have missed and yeah, joker's definitely done more w/ less, and in a stronger conf.
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
whether or not murray would start for the sixers is neither here nor there. the point is that he wouldn't be their 2nd best player, or even their 3rd best.
embiid's had more help, in a weaker conference, and joker's team still has a better record. that's why i have him 1st team and embiid 2nd.
sheesh.
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31. "He'd be their fifth starter though, big drop from his role in Denver" In response to Reply # 25 Thu Mar-28-19 01:34 PM by ConcreteCharlie
Murray has been a core guy for them the past two years, he wouldn't be that on the Sixers but then again we're talking about the second best starting five in basketball. He would be a huge help to their roster though, put him in over Redick and that would bring them up a whole level, especially if Redick could then come off the bench and run the second unit.
Again I am not trying to take anything from Jokic here, we are talking about the very top spot at the position in the league though
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30. "I buy the more with less argument, sure, but ..." In response to Reply # 21
we aren't talking MVP, we're talking All-NBA designations here.
Also Embiid was in that boat last year, that's just a matter of where their respective teams are in their process.
You look at PER they are pretty even. Embiid scores more (seven points), rebounds (three per game) more. From an assist standpoint strictly obviously Jokic has a big edge but in terms of floor spacing and moving the ball they are a lot more similar. TS% Embiid's is very slightly higher. I just don't see an argument in terms of their individual performance for Jokic here. MVP voting, sure, he might finish higher but that isn't at issue here. It's a strict comparison of their performance. And I haven't even mentioned defense here, where it's basically like comparing Kidd with Nash in that era.
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33. "thanks for proving yet again that i'm not the problem. " In response to Reply # 0
24 and 7 on 49, 40 and 87 splits.
and he not better than kemba 30 year-old not making the playoffs ass?
y'all gave that boy shit (and still do) for not getting those harangody, samardo, fat dion, gee, manny harris, etc. cavs teams to the playoffs and we shooting bail to FUCKING KEMBA.
this is a clear "i like this player more PERSONALLY" selection by y'all niggas.
shits getting real old and wack, dogg. but, i always gotta be the asshole when i point out the blatant bullshit y'all be on.
PER better than pretty much everybody y'all selected over him.
now, i hope he does team with KD and they just skull fuck the league the next 5 years.
34. "LOL" In response to Reply # 33 Sat Mar-30-19 10:55 PM by Stadiq
Your boy came back and the team got significantly worse. Not a good look.
You keep wanting to make it about the Cavs 5+ years ago, but he is on a good squad RIGHT NOW and under-achieving.
Why don't you talk about that?
I'm not sure he'd make the 4th team if it was a thing. (I ignored that you think making the THIRD TEAM is somehow where you thought your man crush would end up...LOL LOL. Third ream is the bar, huh? I'm crying....)
He and KD would be a win for the media looking for nonsense/overly emotional quotes...nothing else. Well the Knicks would make the 2nd round I guess. Cool?
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86672 posts
Sat Mar-30-19 11:14 PM
35. "Actually, Hayward came back." In response to Reply # 34
>Your boy came back and the team got significantly worse. Not >a good look.
Kyrie is still second out of the major Celtics players in On/Off numbers (Tatum the only player ahead of him). He also leads the team in BPM and VORP, so basically every metric suggests the team is better with him on the court. Even factoring in the fact that the Celtics won a good amount when Kyrie was out... the team performed better on the whole this year with Kyrie in.
Hayward has negative On/Off numbers for the year, and Jaylen Brown went from a +8.4 to a -2.4 On/Off this year. You can't blame that dip on Kyrie, because those are year-long numbers. Brown either was fluky good last season or has struggled to adjust to playing fewer minutes due to Hayward's return. Or both. (Brown also has the worst BPM and VORP of any notable Celtic this year.) So... yeah.
36. "My dude, can this be about PERFORMANCE, please!?!?" In response to Reply # 34 Sat Mar-30-19 11:18 PM by Basaglia
All this shit you talking is narrative and perception. He made them worse? Oh, because last years they had a 16 game win streak WITH HIM and they struggled down the stretch of the regular season WITHOUT him before they went on a playoff run. They almost lost in the first round. No one remembers all that because the anti-Kyrie agenda on basketball twitter is powerful as fuck right now and is infecting fans and analysts who used to have good sense. People dislike dude over shit that has nothing to do with PERFORMANCE. All them young Celtics niggas annointed look suspect as fuck this season. Rozier been CHEEKS. Rather than have a honest assessment and recalibration of their ceilings (which were overblown like fuck off a month of playoffs), niggas just throw it at Kyrie feet like “oh, he ain’t LEAD THEM CORRECTLY.”
How the fuck Kemba 30 and not making the playoffs in the east with that roster? When that nigga gon ever crack 45%...shit 43?
Y’all can keep tryna rewrite Kyrie legacy all the fuck y’all want, it don’t change these facts...
Dame was born to sell in the postseason and if Kyrie ever put up 18ppg on sub-40 shooting and was thoroughly dominated by the opposing PG, niggas woulda boycotted for him to have to give his ring back.
Kemba is a lame ass Rudy story. Same volume scoring every season. Same overlooking them bum ass 6-24 games that KEEP HIS FG% TRASH!
Russ is a loud, aggressive FUCK UP. He gon be 35 and niggas still gon be praising him for trying hard while he launch from 28 with 15 or more on the shot clock when his team up 5 with 1:30 to go.
Edit: my bad for not seeing who I was responding to. You been a fuckin hater. Still on get back from 2016. SMH.
37. "you that aggy over a damn 3rd team snub?" In response to Reply # 33
Kemba singlehandidly has had that garbage Hornets team in playoff contention all year, so I went with him. But Kyrie’s got a good argument for it too. Very good numbers. Ultimately I went with who I thought would actually get it at each spot.
You get aggy no one mention bum ass grant as a top 25 player under 25. Fuck outta here.
“Oh, Kyrie got a good case, too” ....lol, man I keep tryna pinpoint when shit went left for Kyrie in the media (meanwhile fans and corporate America been friends, as is the case with SUPERSTARS) because this the third all-NBA in a row he gon miss and people always got “reasons” and I gotta see niggas I know gon be ringless footnotes of an era getting the nod.
39. "His team is trash, dogg." In response to Reply # 33 Sun Mar-31-19 03:33 AM by Ryan M
Plus he’s been all aggro and weird in the media...who have a say in this.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t make it given his team’s shitty performance and his terrible attitude. Kemba has more points, more rebounds, less assists, less team wins, and less dumb media comments.
40. "I’m supposed to believe 13 games over 500 is trash" In response to Reply # 39
Look, that Lakers have been TRASH. The Celtics have been disappointing, but so have the Rockets. Need I point out where OKC was predicted to finish? They in the last playoff spot. Pathetic.
All these excuses having nothing to do with PERFORMANCE ain’t gonna get it done.
And Kemba doesn’t average more boards. Not that you care, because all you gonna do is hang on to that inflated padded scoring average for dear life.
“Weird” with the media would have kept off a lot of dudes who made it in recent years. The only “weird” thing about Kyrie is he left Bron after Bron conspired to trade him because Bron was tired of KD dicking him down in June and fucking up his 2016 legacy. People hold that against Kyrie because they can’t talk about him outside the context of Lebron. That much is obvious.
44. "Yeah, why lie about Houston? They’re the 3rd seed. " In response to Reply # 42
I’m mad about something that HAS happened. Bitches on OKP doing agenda analysis he again and mentioned dudes with inflated meaningless stats on bum ass teams over a guy with better stats and a winning team.
for me it's nothing against kyrie personally. he's having a fucking amazing season, easily his best ever. 24/7/5 on 59% true shooting? that's a 6 person list, and they're all one namers (wilt, bird, magic, jordan, lebron, harden)
so yeah, i wouldn't be mad at him on 3rd team.
i omitted him more as a protest vote, against that team. they're a joke. biggest disappointment in the league by far. i'm personally not comfortable rewarding them with *any* postseason awards recognition. they don't deserve it. if kyrie is collateral damage, so be it.
i'm also not about to knock kemba (whose best teammate is what, jeremy lamb? nic batum? cody zeller??) for missing the playoffs. give him horford and tatum and them boys and i think he'd be aight.
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dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Sun Mar-31-19 02:12 PM
48. "is what it is, nigga. be mad." In response to Reply # 47
he making it IRL anyway.
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