"Poll question: Who is in a worse position after the Trade Deadline"
While many purport that the Lakers are hurt the most from this fiasco of a week - there is a strong argument to be made that they will actually be better off (in the end) for this deal not going through right now.
The Lakers essentially offered the house - they would've grossly overpaid for AD for the luxury to get him right now - but a Laker team with Bron/AD but not other valuable moving parts (no BI, Lonzo, Hart, Kuz, Zu, Rondo & multiple picks) would've been an immense price to pay to land AD when there's a target-rich environment this Summer to explore (Kawhi, Kemba, Klay, KD, Kyrie etc...). The Lakers now get a chance to further develop their young core and head into the off-season with significant cap-space flexibility to land big fish.
Conversely - the Pels likely just balked at an offer that will likely turn out to be the best return value for AD. Sure, many speculate that opening up negotiations with other teams is the smart thing to do (and there's logic to that) - what will these other teams reasonably offer for AD without express interest in signing with them? The notion that Boston will offer Tatum, Rozier, Brown and multiple picks is naive. AD doesn't want to be there. What other package would be as compelling as the Lakers rich offer? Now, the Pels have to deal with a malcontent AD playing out the rest of the season with a dead-end mentality and no incentive for the team to grow. Had they dealt w/ the Lakers - they begin their resurgence right now with significant young talent to be excited about.
Sure, the Pels stuck it to the Lakers and it likely felt good (in the short term by "winning" this battle) to feel like they didn't bend to Rich Paul and superstar mobility/agency - but did they win the long-term war? I think as this season rolls along, summer comes & goes - and the Pels are in a situation of going into yet another season with the prospect of AD still on the roster - they will then have to make a move out of desperation and will likely take much lesser deal for AD.
They can feel good from an emo perspective of not dealing with the Lakers - but will their franchise be better off because of it?
Will be interesting to revisit this in several months to see how this plays out - but my money is on the Pels not being able to land nearly the return value that was just offered (rather recklessly) via the Lakers who were willing to grossly overpay.
1. "I don't think either was significantly affected" In response to Reply # 0
The drag on the Lakers was temporary and while I don't get their one move it doesn't seem like a make-or-break kind of transaction. The the Pelicans tidied up their roster/cap with some moves but again nothing out of this world. The main thing they did was roll over the Davis saga into the summer, which was the prudent thing to do. All the other stuff was popcorn-worthy but insignificant in the long run
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
18. "yea this idea that Kuz and Lonzo aren't going to be diff. makers" In response to Reply # 3
is crazy. Kuz in particular has grown tremendously this year and really risen to the occasion in playing well w/ Bron. These guys are super young and are still 5 years away from entering their prime years - and already are solid starters in this league.
But it wasn't just that they offered Zo and Kuz - but B.I., Hart, Zu (some reports even throwing Rondo in there) and multiple draft picks.
That's *exceptional* trade value for a player that publicly wants out.
What did the T'Wolves get for Butler? Not that much.
S.A. got DeRozan - who is a poor man's Kawhi in every sense (still a fine player).
Pels had the opportunity to grab multiple young guys - all with the potential to break out and become all-stars at some point.
I think time will show that this idea that Tatum is *so* much better than Kuz is premature and silly. Boston won't offer the assets that L.A. just offered up on a platter.
But alas - lot of ppl stay in that #HurtLocker in this game - and that jilted feeling can greatly affect state-of-mind and one's ability to make the smart, long-term business decision that is healthy for an organization. -->
6. "I'm in the minority but i think the Pels were smart to reject the trade" In response to Reply # 0
We have seen what a team of BI, Kuz and Ball can be. A bottom team in the west. If NOLA were to accept they would be looking to build with those 3. If they have any incling that Taytum and Boston's picks are a possibility you have to wait it out and see what you can get out of them. Also the Laker's picks would probably be late first rounders so they would not receive any cornerstone pieces from the trade to build around with the exception of Kuz who is the only one i really see with all star potential.
13. "the beauty is - we will see." In response to Reply # 7
I do not think the Lakers offer what they just offered. Technically - they can't (since Zubac is now gone) - and I don't think they will offer the extra moving pieces. They may still offer Kuz & Lonzo or Kuz & BI - but I don't see them offering *everything* like they just did.
22. "Right they may have painted themselves into a worse corner now lol" In response to Reply # 21 Sat Feb-16-19 09:22 AM by ThaTruth
>loooooootta people loud and wrong about this situation. > >Pels starting to realize their short term satisfaction in >"sticking it" to the Lakers is not serving their long term >interests. > >This will be fun to watch unfold as Ainge offers Brown, Rozier >and a draft pick lol. > >-->
You know Danny Ferry is tight with Pop, he may slide in there, getting Demps dumb ass fired might have been the plan all along
24. "RE: If the Pels gave a crap about the Lakers offer" In response to Reply # 23
>Demps would have been fired before the deadline and Gayle >Benson and associates would have accepted the offer. > >Laker fans should prepare to be disappointed this summer in >getting AD. Good thing there is quite a bit of other talent >out there to assemble around 'Bron before he gets too old.
most people know that, getting AD was a long shot anyway