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"Poll question: Who is in a worse position after the Trade Deadline"


  

          

While many purport that the Lakers are hurt the most from this fiasco of a week - there is a strong argument to be made that they will actually be better off (in the end) for this deal not going through right now.

The Lakers essentially offered the house - they would've grossly overpaid for AD for the luxury to get him right now - but a Laker team with Bron/AD but not other valuable moving parts (no BI, Lonzo, Hart, Kuz, Zu, Rondo & multiple picks) would've been an immense price to pay to land AD when there's a target-rich environment this Summer to explore (Kawhi, Kemba, Klay, KD, Kyrie etc...). The Lakers now get a chance to further develop their young core and head into the off-season with significant cap-space flexibility to land big fish.

Conversely - the Pels likely just balked at an offer that will likely turn out to be the best return value for AD. Sure, many speculate that opening up negotiations with other teams is the smart thing to do (and there's logic to that) - what will these other teams reasonably offer for AD without express interest in signing with them? The notion that Boston will offer Tatum, Rozier, Brown and multiple picks is naive. AD doesn't want to be there. What other package would be as compelling as the Lakers rich offer? Now, the Pels have to deal with a malcontent AD playing out the rest of the season with a dead-end mentality and no incentive for the team to grow. Had they dealt w/ the Lakers - they begin their resurgence right now with significant young talent to be excited about.

Sure, the Pels stuck it to the Lakers and it likely felt good (in the short term by "winning" this battle) to feel like they didn't bend to Rich Paul and superstar mobility/agency - but did they win the long-term war? I think as this season rolls along, summer comes & goes - and the Pels are in a situation of going into yet another season with the prospect of AD still on the roster - they will then have to make a move out of desperation and will likely take much lesser deal for AD.

They can feel good from an emo perspective of not dealing with the Lakers - but will their franchise be better off because of it?

Will be interesting to revisit this in several months to see how this plays out - but my money is on the Pels not being able to land nearly the return value that was just offered (rather recklessly) via the Lakers who were willing to grossly overpay.

Poll result (17 votes)
Pels (5 votes)Vote
Lakers (12 votes)Vote
I'm Chris Mannix (0 votes)Vote

  

  

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I don't think either was significantly affected
Feb 08th 2019
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Hopefully, the kids are more mentally tough than we think they are...
Feb 08th 2019
2
If the Lakers really offered Kuzma & Ball, the Pelicans lost.
Feb 08th 2019
3
Lmao... Build what?
Feb 08th 2019
4
Build for your future,
Feb 08th 2019
5
      Ingram averaged 20,5, and 4 in January
Feb 09th 2019
10
yea this idea that Kuz and Lonzo aren't going to be diff. makers
Feb 09th 2019
18
I'm in the minority but i think the Pels were smart to reject the trade
Feb 09th 2019
6
Smh, what team led by 3 20-22 year olds isn’t bottom of the West?
Feb 09th 2019
9
The lakers gon offer the house again in the summer
Feb 09th 2019
7
Exactly.
Feb 09th 2019
11
AD don’t want Boston and the Knicks are the Knicks
Feb 09th 2019
12
the beauty is - we will see.
Feb 09th 2019
13
How will Boston perform down the stretch?
Feb 09th 2019
8
?
Feb 09th 2019
19
AD booed at home in first appearance since deadline
Feb 09th 2019
14
Lol they were chanting for him in the 4th qtr
Feb 09th 2019
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      lol yea they will warm up to the idea of him wanting out of N.O.
Feb 09th 2019
17
LAL; I think KD and Kawhi will remember this debacle
Feb 09th 2019
15
AD leaves team mid-way through game lol.
Feb 16th 2019
20
Demps fired lmao
Feb 16th 2019
21
Right they may have painted themselves into a worse corner now lol
Feb 16th 2019
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If the Pels gave a crap about the Lakers offer
Feb 17th 2019
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      RE: If the Pels gave a crap about the Lakers offer
Feb 17th 2019
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      Lol right
Feb 17th 2019
25

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1. "I don't think either was significantly affected"
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The drag on the Lakers was temporary and while I don't get their one move it doesn't seem like a make-or-break kind of transaction. The the Pelicans tidied up their roster/cap with some moves but again nothing out of this world. The main thing they did was roll over the Davis saga into the summer, which was the prudent thing to do. All the other stuff was popcorn-worthy but insignificant in the long run

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2. "Hopefully, the kids are more mentally tough than we think they are..."
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All of these dudes take it personally but forget they're playing a game that's also a business.

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3. "If the Lakers really offered Kuzma & Ball, the Pelicans lost."
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I'm not high on Ingram, and picks are iffy...but you can build with Kuz & Lonzo.


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4. "Lmao... Build what?"
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If you can build with Kuzma & Ball then the Lakers shouldn’t have to make a trade. Right?

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5. "Build for your future,"
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I think Kuzma is an All-Star by season 4, and Lonzo is a solid starter. They won't get two better young guys than that.

I already said the Lakers shouldn't make ANY trades this season, lets see who's not trash, so far the only buster is Ingram.



>If you can build with Kuzma & Ball then the Lakers
>shouldn’t have to make a trade. Right?
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>****Charlie Murphy voice****
>WRONG.
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10. "Ingram averaged 20,5, and 4 in January"
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He’s good.

  

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18. "yea this idea that Kuz and Lonzo aren't going to be diff. makers"
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is crazy. Kuz in particular has grown tremendously this year and really risen to the occasion in playing well w/ Bron. These guys are super young and are still 5 years away from entering their prime years - and already are solid starters in this league.

But it wasn't just that they offered Zo and Kuz - but B.I., Hart, Zu (some reports even throwing Rondo in there) and multiple draft picks.

That's *exceptional* trade value for a player that publicly wants out.

What did the T'Wolves get for Butler? Not that much.

S.A. got DeRozan - who is a poor man's Kawhi in every sense (still a fine player).

Pels had the opportunity to grab multiple young guys - all with the potential to break out and become all-stars at some point.

I think time will show that this idea that Tatum is *so* much better than Kuz is premature and silly. Boston won't offer the assets that L.A. just offered up on a platter.

But alas - lot of ppl stay in that #HurtLocker in this game - and that jilted feeling can greatly affect state-of-mind and one's ability to make the smart, long-term business decision that is healthy for an organization.
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6. "I'm in the minority but i think the Pels were smart to reject the trade"
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We have seen what a team of BI, Kuz and Ball can be. A bottom team in the west. If NOLA were to accept they would be looking to build with those 3. If they have any incling that Taytum and Boston's picks are a possibility you have to wait it out and see what you can get out of them. Also the Laker's picks would probably be late first rounders so they would not receive any cornerstone pieces from the trade to build around with the exception of Kuz who is the only one i really see with all star potential.

  

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9. "Smh, what team led by 3 20-22 year olds isn’t bottom of the West?"
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7. "The lakers gon offer the house again in the summer"
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The pels will have that offer and likely more.

Its fairly obvious.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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11. "Exactly."
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And that same deal HAS to be there to compete with the other options that come from New York (if they win the lottery) and Boston.

Pels were smart to wait.

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12. "AD don’t want Boston and the Knicks are the Knicks "
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He’ll be a Laker.

  

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13. "the beauty is - we will see."
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I do not think the Lakers offer what they just offered. Technically - they can't (since Zubac is now gone) - and I don't think they will offer the extra moving pieces. They may still offer Kuz & Lonzo or Kuz & BI - but I don't see them offering *everything* like they just did.

But we shall see.

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8. "How will Boston perform down the stretch?"
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19. "?"
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14. "AD booed at home in first appearance since deadline"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Zy5-pTmII

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16. "Lol they were chanting for him in the 4th qtr"
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That was cute while it lasted tho

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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17. "lol yea they will warm up to the idea of him wanting out of N.O."
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15. "LAL; I think KD and Kawhi will remember this debacle "
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If they were still considering either as a possible FA signing

I doubt that will happen given their aversion to the social spotlight and how these negotiations seemed to have played out publicly in real time

Also, they've essentially put all of their eggs in the AD basket

How can any player feel confident going to LAL after they've made the entire roster available

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20. "AD leaves team mid-way through game lol."
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Yea it's working out real well for the Pels.
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21. "Demps fired lmao"
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loooooootta people loud and wrong about this situation.

Pels starting to realize their short term satisfaction in "sticking it" to the Lakers is not serving their long term interests.

This will be fun to watch unfold as Ainge offers Brown, Rozier and a draft pick lol.

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22. "Right they may have painted themselves into a worse corner now lol"
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>loooooootta people loud and wrong about this situation.
>
>Pels starting to realize their short term satisfaction in
>"sticking it" to the Lakers is not serving their long term
>interests.
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>This will be fun to watch unfold as Ainge offers Brown, Rozier
>and a draft pick lol.
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You know Danny Ferry is tight with Pop, he may slide in there, getting Demps dumb ass fired might have been the plan all along

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23. "If the Pels gave a crap about the Lakers offer"
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Demps would have been fired before the deadline and Gayle Benson and associates would have accepted the offer.

Laker fans should prepare to be disappointed this summer in getting AD. Good thing there is quite a bit of other talent out there to assemble around 'Bron before he gets too old.



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24. "RE: If the Pels gave a crap about the Lakers offer"
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>Demps would have been fired before the deadline and Gayle
>Benson and associates would have accepted the offer.
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>Laker fans should prepare to be disappointed this summer in
>getting AD. Good thing there is quite a bit of other talent
>out there to assemble around 'Bron before he gets too old.

most people know that, getting AD was a long shot anyway

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25. "Lol right"
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Demps would have been fired before the deadline and Gayle Benson and associates would have accepted the offer.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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