At this point there is no need to ever debate this obvious fact again.

#bradygoat




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before this game. he didn't do anything to taint his legacy, but he wasn't special either. defense won this one.

either way, I can't argue against him.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

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actually, the 3 SB losses do.

4-0 > 6 participation trophies

good god, not this argument again.
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I'm still unsure what the argument is for Tom and how it would be improved by his subpar performance last night??

Just aggregate rings?


In football???


GTFOH


Bill the GOAT coach and he showed us why last night. He coulda won that with Nick Foles.

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that's the equivalent of Michael Jordan being on a Finals team and only hitting 3 free throws out of 4 attempts. and that's the ONLY stat line

motherfucker put up "Worse than Dilfer" numbers in a conference championship AND a Super Bowl back to back... and THAT'S y'all's GOAT?

because rings?

FOH

that shit was bait.

Shouts to Joe Montana getting benched in a playoff games for sucking that bad on what most people thought was the best 49ers team of his era.

but it wasn't a super bowl so...that's better somehow?

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The NFC won all the Super Bowls back then. Giants and Washington both won multiple titles. Bears had one of the best teams of all time.

A lot harder to come out of that NFC than the 00s or 10s AFC.

on hits that are now no longer allowed in the NFL

And I don’t care about or particularly like or dislike either of them. My Giants faired more than ok against both of them in big games. Just trying to be fair. When comparing across eras, context matters.

Almost has the same effect as Gina Grad plopping into my lap. Almost.

by stating that the AFC wasnt beating anyone else either

did SF ever play a SB against a team as good as the 2001 Rams, 2014 Seahawks, or even the 2018 Rams?

Steelers and Colts have won Super Bowls and PIT has never beaten Brady in the playoffs. 0-3 in AFCCG

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

Even he's come around this morning and admitted what we've all known for the last five years

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GOATs don't cheat, and they don't drop steaming turds like this in championship games.

This is the equivalent of a Jordan Finals win where all he did in the entire game was hit 3 of 4 FGs.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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was the one that took him over the top.

he was actively underwhelming save for one drive. but that one drive mattered.

GOAT

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

if that dude gets Theismanned, you bet your ASS I will party.

Y'all didn't disappoint lol

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He was a nonfactor.

same application as here, Stephon Gimore was the MVP, Brady barely mattered.

<-Fear Ameer

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"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

if you play bad and lose you get the blame

Pretty sure Billicheat not playing Butler was a huge reason they lost.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

That touchdown drive and those perfect passes to Gronk put the dagger in the game. And lets not forget the two game winning drives he had against Kansas City to get them here. Haters are just being absurd at this point

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9 Super Bowl appearances and 6 wins is WAAAAYYYYYY more impressive than 4 appearances with no losses. The this isn't the NBA - to make it to the Super Bowl in a single elimination tournament is MUCH more difficult than making it to the NBA Finals through rounds of 7. In a round of 7, the best team wins much more often than in a single elimination when one individual good or bad performance can swing the fate of a team. In the NBA most years it's a foregone conclusion that a team from one conference (or both some years) will make the Finals. Not in the NFL. Making 9 Super Bowls is insane, and he's done it in many different ways.


And lets not forget the two game
>winning drives he had against Kansas City to get them here.
>Haters are just being absurd at this point

Hasn’t caused me no trouble.

I find the constant “GOAT” stuff kinda annoying though. He’s up there. Got a great argument for it. This game was pedestrian though.

I'm no longer cheering for the Pats, but yeesh, Brady's GOAT and it basically ain't close anymore.

The Montana folks are adorable. THE NFC WAS SUPER TOUGH ! HE NEVER LOST (EXCEPT ALL THOSE EARLY PLAYOFF EXITS) ! lol. So cute.


>RE: The people arguing Montana look more embarrassing every year
>I'm no longer cheering for the Pats, but yeesh, Brady's GOAT
>and it basically ain't close anymore.

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serious question

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Career shortening and affecting hits.

That aspect of the game doesn’t exist anymore.

That’s why you can’t look solely at numbers that depend on longevity. Longevity then vs. now are a lot different.

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Think about how ridiculousy different the rules are.

Where receivers line up. Jamming receivers. Not being allowed to TOUCH QB's etc etc etc..

It's a completely different sport. Can anyone honestly can say they think Tom Brady would have lasted 20 years in the NFL that Marino, Elway and Montana worked in?

Nah.

Brady got sacked once in the entire playoffs this season. And it was baby taps. And his team put up 13 points in the lamest super bowl ever.

There's the low/no contact NFL that he played in, and then the Real football that used to be played.

IMO, it can't be compared. Gotta separate it.

Montana played 9 healthy seasons maybe, Brady & Manning & Brees etc.. 15+

>Think about how ridiculousy different the rules are.
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>Where receivers line up. Jamming receivers. Not being allowed
>to TOUCH QB's etc etc etc..
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>It's a completely different sport. Can anyone honestly can say
>they think Tom Brady would have lasted 20 years in the NFL
>that Marino, Elway and Montana worked in?
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>Nah.
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>Brady got sacked once in the entire playoffs this season. And
>it was baby taps. And his team put up 13 points in the lamest
>super bowl ever.
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>There's the low/no contact NFL that he played in, and then the
>Real football that used to be played.
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>IMO, it can't be compared. Gotta separate it.
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>Montana played 9 healthy seasons maybe, Brady & Manning &
>Brees etc.. 15+

No professional sport has been so altered to favor offense like the NFL, and no position has been so protected as the QB.

This does not diminish Brady's extended greatness over all these years, because he can only play the competition in front of him under the rules in existence during his time, but it's disingenuous to act like these are the same conditions. We're not talking about the players having better fitness and nutrition making them bigger faster stronger, these are the RULES being changed to allow them more opportunities and less resistance in their attempts to score.

I stopped saying MJ was the GOAT in bball just because he never had an opportunity to play against some of the all timers. I'd do the same in this regard. I would rate the best QB in each of 3 phases of the NFL: Unitas, Montana, Brady

>Think about how ridiculousy different the rules are.
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>Where receivers line up. Jamming receivers. Not being allowed
>to TOUCH QB's etc etc etc..
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>It's a completely different sport. Can anyone honestly can say
>they think Tom Brady would have lasted 20 years in the NFL
>that Marino, Elway and Montana worked in?
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>Nah.
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>Brady got sacked once in the entire playoffs this season. And
>it was baby taps. And his team put up 13 points in the lamest
>super bowl ever.
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>There's the low/no contact NFL that he played in, and then the
>Real football that used to be played.
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>IMO, it can't be compared. Gotta separate it.
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>Montana played 9 healthy seasons maybe, Brady & Manning &
>Brees etc.. 15+


These idiots don't even have an answer

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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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However I will conveniently take the position that he's the best ever or not the best ever to troll the fuck out of anyone who has a strong opinion about this. It's so easy.

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if the only thing standing in their way is an andy reid team in the playoffs...you know how thats going.

doesn't matter what he accomplishes he took a big ol dump on his hopes at a legit legacy...

And kickers to meet his needs. Stop crying



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"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

margaurito got caught with plaster in his gloves... have other fighters done it for a competitive edge before... sure.. is it right? no... did it ruin his legacy and any sense of legitimacy for any of his fights? absolutely.. at least Brady's transgressions didn't result in folks getting their faces smashed TF up but it still pisses on his legacy imo.

>margaurito got caught with plaster in his gloves... have
>other fighters done it for a competitive edge before... sure..
>is it right? no... did it ruin his legacy and any sense of
>legitimacy for any of his fights? absolutely.. at least
>Brady's transgressions didn't result in folks getting their
>faces smashed TF up but it still pisses on his legacy imo.

allegedly adjusting the air in a football is a common practice for all QB's and Kickers. And there was NEVER any proof that Brady made that happen. Nothing is tainted. Folks are just bitter because he's almost unstoppable.


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"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

>allegedly adjusting the air in a football is a common practice
>for all QB's and Kickers. And there was NEVER any proof that
>Brady made that happen. Nothing is tainted. Folks are just
>bitter because he's almost unstoppable.

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despite only needing to score a td or two in pretty much all of his post season games he found a way to drive down the field to have a kicker bail him out again.

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"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

>despite only needing to score a td or two in pretty much all
>of his post season games he found a way to drive down the
>field to have a kicker bail him out again.

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wherever the league tries to move, he's ahead of it.

this dink and dunk shit is his fuckin' creation.

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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

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it's amazing how people who's job it is to watch film view Brady so differently than know-nothings.

cliff notes...

-brady processes pre and post faster than anyone maybe ever

-brady's patience is undervalued. he takes those quick-hitters for 5-7 yards because they're there and there's no need to get greedy looking for huge gains, when you can be establishing rhythm and building confidence and keeping D off the field.

-brady plays within stucture better than any QB ever...OC's dream QB, because he makes the proper reads and doesn't go off script and let's people do their fucking jobs.

-rodgers more talented, but lacks discipline, which is why he he ain't on tom level. called him a "jazz player"...goes outside structure too often and leaves plenty of open productive throws on the field.


so basically he calling tom a system QB...because he can play well in any fucking system

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>it's amazing how people who's job it is to watch film view
>Brady so differently than know-nothings.
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>-brady processes pre and post faster than anyone maybe ever

Debatable but seems realistic

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>-brady's patience is undervalued. he takes those quick-hitters
>for 5-7 yards because they're there and there's no need to get
>greedy looking for huge gains, when you can be establishing
>rhythm and building confidence and keeping D off the field.

Seems accurate

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>-brady plays within stucture better than any QB ever...OC's
>dream QB, because he makes the proper reads and doesn't go off
>script and let's people do their fucking jobs.

Montana invented that

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>-rodgers more talented, but lacks discipline, which is why he
>he ain't on tom level. called him a "jazz player"...goes
>outside structure too often and leaves plenty of open
>productive throws on the field.

Rodgers? Okay, yeah, agreed, that sounds correct.

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>so basically he calling tom a system QB...because he can play
>well in any fucking system

Also sounds correct.


He is obviously one of the best QB's ever.



The jump from that to undisputed GOAT is where the evidence in lacking

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>The jump from that to undisputed GOAT is where the evidence in
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Other people have done those things too, or other things of equal or more value.

For example. Joe Montana was great pre-and-post snap. We have both statistical evidence, our own eyes, and the words of his teammates and coaches.

Different era, but Montana changed the way people played offense and defense and he killed the 46 defense dead in it's crib.

Or you could say Walsh did…but then we would get into Brady/Belicheat territory. Also, when he put Steve Young in charge, Steve couldn't stay on script*

*In a vacuum, Steve better than Tom but let's stay on task

So Montana, amazing pre-and-post snap.


Montana was much more mobile*, mobility is a thing that is also good right? Just like all the other things that go into quarterbacking, right?

*Have to wonder if Brady statue would have lasted two seasons the way he moves out there.


Montana fought off a HOFer for his job, and had a psycho coach who tried to play mind-games with his great QBs in ways that just wouldn't happen in this era. Imagine BElicgeck insisting on keeping Jimmy G and then making them alternate series' and halves, all the while cracking jokes in the media?

Montana had a better arm and less blown big moments than Tom. Splitting hairs? Yes, but if we are counting Tom's aggregate big moments let's also count his overthrows to open guys that cost titles.

And as has been said a million times, Montana played in a different era so it's very difficult to compare.

I could go on.

Tom is one of the best ever.

I don't see evidence of GOAT

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you've never been able to reconcile him getting benched IN HIS PRIME during a playoff game because he absolutely lost the team the game. for whatever reason, he was not himself.

Tom not on this list

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000628679/article/ten-worst-playoff-performances-by-qbs-in-the-modern-era


And just because it didn't happen in the SB don't mean it didn't happen.

for all the romanticizing, joe threw for a paltry ass 150 yards against cincy for his first ring.

joe was trash against the giants in 85. and WAY MORE trash against them in 87. if tom brady got his ass beat by 40+ and threw for 98 yards and two picks...man, stop.


you are valiant in your efforts, dogg. i give you that. but i grew up s montana fan. i have EXCELLENT recall. he's not better than brady.