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Vex_id
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"Poll question: Can the Lakers play .500 ball without LeBron?"


  

          

Lakers are currently 1-3 without LeBron in the lineup - but the schedule turns a bit more favorable over the next stretch of games. Bron looks like he'll sit for at least another week or two - and the Lakers just need to stay afloat during that time lest they find themselves quickly snatched out of the playoff picture.

But this is an interesting time to scrutinize this team to see who can run with the wolves in the next couple of years to vie for titles. What's clear is that without a second all-star - this currently comprised roster is not sufficient to compete for a title.

Poll result (7 votes)
Yup (2 votes)Vote
Nope (4 votes)Vote
BI's team (1 votes)Vote

  

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
I say yes. Or rather, they have a better chance than previous LeBron tea...
Jan 03rd 2019
1
yea this team is certainly better than last year's Cavs
Jan 03rd 2019
6
With BI being better than PG, I don't see why not.
Jan 03rd 2019
2
lol
Jan 03rd 2019
5
BI might be the 3rd/4th best player on the team.
Jan 03rd 2019
7
they CAN, but i don't think they WILL
Jan 03rd 2019
3
Rondo being out is def hurting them with no Bron.
Jan 03rd 2019
8
We could be over .500 if we had the rest of the roster
Jan 03rd 2019
4
this team really can't afford not to be healthy for large stretches
Jan 03rd 2019
9
bad loss last night. Knicks snapped 8-game losing streak
Jan 05th 2019
10
Sure... they got a roster full of young talent, high ceilings & high iqs
Jan 05th 2019
11
and yet, they still have one of the best trade packages for N.O.
Jan 05th 2019
12
Also without Kuzma and Rondo
Jan 06th 2019
13
Rondo has been coming off the bench
Jan 06th 2019
14
      Rondo’s absence becomes extra important if LeBron is out
Jan 06th 2019
16
           For sure.
Jan 06th 2019
18
The Lakers "Young Promising Core" is a myth. It's a bunch of ehhhh playe...
Jan 06th 2019
15
Lakers now 1-5 without LeBron
Jan 06th 2019
17
Lonzo defense so good he locked himself down. Donut
Jan 06th 2019
19
remember when mo williams started crying when bron left cleveland?
Jan 06th 2019
21
lol will never forget it.
Jan 07th 2019
29
ehh...
Jan 06th 2019
22
Yikes.
Jan 06th 2019
20
The goal now is to be .500 when Lebron gets back
Jan 07th 2019
23
pretty much. I'm hoping Bron returns on Wednesday v. Detroit
Jan 07th 2019
28
      He’s not. He’s getting re-evaluated on Friday
Jan 08th 2019
34
You do realize Rondo is out too?
Jan 07th 2019
24
Rondo was the best pickup of the 'Meme Team' IMO
Jan 07th 2019
25
Again. Rondo has been out essentially all year
Jan 07th 2019
27
      NO won 48 games last year. .they're 18-22 this year.
Jan 07th 2019
30
           you're omitting the fact they had prime, motivated Cousins
Jan 09th 2019
36
                like you're omitting other injuries beside LeBron during this run..
Jan 10th 2019
70
                     lol lakers have had guys out all season.
Jan 12th 2019
97
                          Ok....
Jan 12th 2019
102
We trash, Bron is the GOAT.
Jan 07th 2019
26
This is a blessing in disguise....young'uns looked strong tonight
Jan 08th 2019
31
naw i dont want to see the Kuzma 5 experience again
Jan 08th 2019
33
It is.. they get to grow up a little more before Bron gets back..
Jan 10th 2019
71
huge win @ Dallas.
Jan 08th 2019
32
side topic: Lonzo 'Prince Rogers Rondo' Ball
Jan 09th 2019
35
Zo has home-town favoritism buoying him.
Jan 09th 2019
37
Lol he never looks like Jason Kidd
Jan 09th 2019
41
let's look at some actual facts versus your feelings
Jan 09th 2019
42
      honest question, no snark- did you watch Kidd play?
Jan 09th 2019
48
           Yes I did
Jan 09th 2019
49
                Word
Jan 09th 2019
53
                Numbers can LIE
Jan 10th 2019
54
If you pay attention to the FO, Zo isn't getting moved
Jan 09th 2019
45
      yea. and magic seems to have taken ownership over this
Jan 09th 2019
50
shipping D'Tective was always a terrible idea.
Jan 09th 2019
38
oh, in that case
Jan 09th 2019
40
I was salivating at that backcourt.
Jan 09th 2019
43
It got us Kuzma and a max salary slot
Jan 09th 2019
46
He ain’t it.
Jan 09th 2019
39
I love Lonzo. LOVE him.
Jan 09th 2019
47
He's looking suspect as a scorer
Jan 09th 2019
44
With Bron, BI, and Kuz (AND HART) why does he need to score?
Jan 09th 2019
51
RB The BreakThrough (Youtube) and some trash outlets
Jan 09th 2019
52
Kuz.
Jan 10th 2019
55
yessir and Beas, KCP, Zo, and BI. Defense was on one tonight
Jan 10th 2019
56
And it was one of those nights...
Jan 10th 2019
58
Sigh @ my Pistons
Jan 10th 2019
57
Jesus Christ do we suck
Jan 10th 2019
66
      SVG is on Dan LeBatard every Wednesday...
Jan 10th 2019
68
      damn. i had no idea he had regular gig like that.
Jan 10th 2019
69
      So SVG was the answer? Got it.
Jan 10th 2019
72
           LMAO wtf does that even mean?
Jan 10th 2019
75
41 point 0 assists lol
Jan 10th 2019
59
      Does he dress in Kobe’s old locker?
Jan 10th 2019
60
      16/24. his job is to get buckets.
Jan 10th 2019
62
      Is anyone else going to shoot better than 67%?
Jan 10th 2019
67
Lakers now 3-5 without LeBron - Kuz is real
Jan 10th 2019
61
Kuz is the difference...
Jan 10th 2019
63
he got that dog in him.
Jan 10th 2019
64
he's a big ass boobie gibson
Jan 12th 2019
85
Yup... great thing that Luke said last night...
Jan 10th 2019
65
The D has been top 3 in def rating since Bron was injured
Jan 10th 2019
73
      Their D had already improved - they were top 10 in many categories
Jan 10th 2019
74
           Def rating was 13th prior, off rating was 17th
Jan 10th 2019
76
*Smh*
Jan 11th 2019
77
went from a 6-point game to a 20-point game just like that.
Jan 11th 2019
78
Yea. Awful basketball by the Lakers.
Jan 12th 2019
79
Damn, who locked Kuzma?
Jan 12th 2019
81
      He locked himself. Boy thinks he’s arrived.
Jan 12th 2019
83
Yeah, y’all got it in for Bi
Jan 12th 2019
80
lol, you’re so determined to be a Lakers malcontent
Jan 12th 2019
82
i do what i do
Jan 12th 2019
84
Reality has it out for BI
Jan 12th 2019
86
Justise better than your big brickin bitch
Jan 12th 2019
90
BI is a very good player, just not a star
Jan 12th 2019
87
Dude is avg AF, but
Jan 12th 2019
89
      Being a top 10 individual def rating player = average
Jan 12th 2019
92
Offensively, he isn't being used correctly
Jan 12th 2019
93
Where are you getting these adv. metrics from?
Jan 12th 2019
100
      Synergy data
Jan 13th 2019
104
           Thx
Jan 17th 2019
121
0 assists...talk about that
Jan 12th 2019
94
      That was before Bron ruined his development
Jan 12th 2019
96
if there was ever a question as to whether LAL needed Bron
Jan 12th 2019
88
Who was asking that question?
Jan 12th 2019
91
      not to mention the over-simplistic "logic" that...
Jan 12th 2019
95
      RE: not to mention the over-simplistic "logic" that...
Jan 12th 2019
99
           oh i forgot, no one ages AND that money doesnt get spent elsewhere
Jan 12th 2019
103
      plenty people - both here and bloggers in L.A.
Jan 12th 2019
98
           Julius Randle is good
Jan 12th 2019
101
           RE: Julius Randle is good
Jan 13th 2019
106
           No need for simplistic, selective context or trying to prop Lebron
Jan 13th 2019
105
                that's for sure - Bron doesn't need anything to prop him up
Jan 13th 2019
107
                     The sensitivity & empty platitudes have arrived, like clockwork
Jan 13th 2019
108
                          Bro I'm done arguing with these fucking parasites..
Jan 13th 2019
109
Coaching staff looks fed up with these listless young dudes
Jan 13th 2019
110
Lol. They just lost to the worst team in the league.
Jan 13th 2019
111
which so happens to be the team LeBron left.
Jan 14th 2019
113
      Laugh that shit up. Looks like Bron was sippin an adult beverage again.
Jan 14th 2019
114
           LOL
Jan 14th 2019
116
Not when we're giving his fucking charity signing three 3's in three min...
Jan 13th 2019
112
KCP had an off game tonight, he's been very good though
Jan 14th 2019
115
yikes! It's getting ugly. 3-7 w/ out Bron
Jan 14th 2019
117
woof.
Jan 14th 2019
118
Man.....
Jan 14th 2019
119
Randles a pretty big piece, but sure.
Jan 14th 2019
120
no reason to trade the young talent....
Jan 18th 2019
123
Kuz is a good player. Lonzo is showing signs of being a good player
Jan 18th 2019
126
      >I'm out on Ingram as a meaningful Laker
Jan 18th 2019
127
           Sure he aint that dog but he & Zo are elite defenders
Jan 18th 2019
143
                Not shunning his defensive presence at all.
Jan 18th 2019
144
Terrible foul by Lonzo, terrible last play call by Luke. Ugh
Jan 18th 2019
122
Keep playing, keep grinding, keep learning
Jan 18th 2019
124
Kuz.
Jan 18th 2019
125
Most impressive win of the year IMO -- now 5-7 w/ out Bron
Jan 18th 2019
128
first 6 games without Bron 1-5, last 6 games without Bron 4-2...
Jan 18th 2019
129
easily could be 6-6 w/ out Bron right now (meltdown at Sac)
Jan 18th 2019
130
yep...
Jan 18th 2019
131
like most things the results of the adjustments don't happen instantaneo...
Jan 18th 2019
134
Well they made up for nearly blowing that one.
Jan 18th 2019
132
Zubac is balling.
Jan 18th 2019
133
He goes on spurts offensively where he's unstoppable
Jan 18th 2019
135
if he's gonna give you 20+ and 10+,
Jan 18th 2019
138
ZuPac is the fucking man. I'm glad he's rebounded this year
Jan 18th 2019
136
didn't seem like he got many chances
Jan 18th 2019
137
he always had offensive game he needed to work on his defense
Jan 18th 2019
139
      true
Jan 18th 2019
140
           Also sounds like McGee and Chandler have been mentors...
Jan 18th 2019
145
                I'm glad to see that too.
Jan 18th 2019
146
He picked up an injury over the summer which stalled him
Jan 18th 2019
141
He deserves it, dude put in a ton of work
Jan 18th 2019
142
      it shows.
Jan 18th 2019
147
Solid first half, some of Walton’s rotations are still head-scratchers...
Jan 19th 2019
148
PJ Tucker is like a fullback on those moving screens
Jan 19th 2019
149
We got bailed out on that call but
Jan 19th 2019
150
Way to jinx, dummy.
Jan 19th 2019
152
Ugh. Not the place I’d like to be.
Jan 19th 2019
151

Dr Claw
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1. "I say yes. Or rather, they have a better chance than previous LeBron tea..."
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which bodes well for when LeBron (and Rondo) come back

  

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6. "yea this team is certainly better than last year's Cavs"
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(and we're seeing the evidence of just how bad that team was now) - which does bode well, but in order to really compete this team will have to continue to grow at an accelerated pace, which is a lot to ask for a young core in their early 20's.
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2. "With BI being better than PG, I don't see why not."
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5. "lol"
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Vex_id
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7. "BI might be the 3rd/4th best player on the team."
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good role player.

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3. "they CAN, but i don't think they WILL"
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without Lebron AND Rondo.

the rest of the gang is talented, they play hard, but they're dumb as all fuck and lord almighty they cannot shoot FTs to save their lives. basically what you'd expect out of a young supporting cast without their main horse and a strong leader

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8. "Rondo being out is def hurting them with no Bron."
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he's on his second surgery of the year - two freak injuries. Better to happen now as opposed to May.


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4. "We could be over .500 if we had the rest of the roster"
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Missing Rondo, Chandler hobbled, Kuzma hobbled & potentially out, Mcgee recovering from a serious respiratory illness...team is running on fumes down the stretch of games, all compounded by missing free throws.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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9. "this team really can't afford not to be healthy for large stretches"
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Just as I believe they could win 10 straight if healthy and rolling, they could easily lose 10 of 12 with key guys missing and the turnovers/poor free throw shooting plaguing.
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10. "bad loss last night. Knicks snapped 8-game losing streak"
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Lakers now 1-4 without Bron.

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11. "Sure... they got a roster full of young talent, high ceilings & high iqs"
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... that they're just gathering to offer in a package for Anthony Davis.

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12. "and yet, they still have one of the best trade packages for N.O."
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Other than LAL and Boston - what better trade packages could be offered in the foreseeable future?

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13. "Also without Kuzma and Rondo"
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hard to win without three starters

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14. "Rondo has been coming off the bench"
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and hasn't been available for most of the season thus far.

Kuz was in the lineup at the beginning of this stretch - and should play tomorrow in Dallas.

But yea - this team can't sustain with its core continually sidelined to injury.

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16. "Rondo’s absence becomes extra important if LeBron is out"
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Rondo was great on Christmas. He could have that type of impact and help keep things afloat with LeBron out. He’s not as necessary when LeBron is healthy.

Likewise, Kuzma is also a killer as his ability to create offense for himself becomes extra important with LeBron out, let alone LeBron and Rondo. Killer combo of injuries at the same time.

  

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18. "For sure."
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but this team shouldn't have such dramatic drop-off without Rondo. They should play better tomorrow night with Kuz back.


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15. "The Lakers "Young Promising Core" is a myth. It's a bunch of ehhhh playe..."
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who wouldn't get talked about if they weren't on the Lakers.

Probably should've tried to move all of them years ago, when other GM's were actually fooled.

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17. "Lakers now 1-5 without LeBron"
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This team went from being discussed as a viable threat in the Western Conference (after beating GSW on Christmas Day and being a top 4 seed) to being out of the playoff picture in just 2 weeks without LeBron lol.

This team is a 30-35 win team w/ out LeBron. No other player in the game creates such a land-shift in a team's stature as does LeBron. Cleveland is the worst team in the East this year. With LeBron they are conference champions.

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19. "Lonzo defense so good he locked himself down. Donut"
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21. "remember when mo williams started crying when bron left cleveland?"
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niggas know it dont get no sweeter.

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29. "lol will never forget it."
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22. "ehh..."
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..if this were just about Lebron's absence, I might be concerned.

Rondo & Kuz are significant absences as well.

I'm more concerned about Rondo's overall availability/health this year than Bron.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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20. "Yikes. "
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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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23. "The goal now is to be .500 when Lebron gets back"
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If his return is on Sunday at home against Cleveland, that means winning one of the next three games.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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28. "pretty much. I'm hoping Bron returns on Wednesday v. Detroit"
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LA2Philly
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34. "He’s not. He’s getting re-evaluated on Friday "
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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24. "You do realize Rondo is out too?"
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He was integral to helping the Lakers take back control of the GS game where were eventually blew them out. Lonzo is not ready to run the show full time. If Rondo was there we'd be .500.

Also, the GS game should count. When Bron went out we had a +20 point lead and GS got it back down to 2 points. Yet we ended up winning by a wider margin that when LeBron was playing. That doesn't happen without Rondo.


Hell look at New Orleans with Rondo last year and without him this year.. yikes...

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25. "Rondo was the best pickup of the 'Meme Team' IMO"
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>Hell look at New Orleans with Rondo last year and without him
>this year.. yikes...

wanted him last year in CLE but alas...

  

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27. "Again. Rondo has been out essentially all year"
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he's had two freak injuries/surgeries and has only appeared in 14 games thus far this year. Lakers really need him right now but he hasn't been an integral/consistent starter yet. Once he gets healthy, his impact will be felt (as it was in the G.S. game) - but it's kind of hard to pin this 1-5 losing skid on Rondo being out when he's been out essentially all season thus far.


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30. "NO won 48 games last year. .they're 18-22 this year."
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cmon brah...
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36. "you're omitting the fact they had prime, motivated Cousins"
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and have had significant injuries this year.

Rondo is solid - but he ain't the land-shift presence that you're making him out to be.

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70. "like you're omitting other injuries beside LeBron during this run.."
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Rondo, McGee, Beasley, Kuzma have all missed games during this timeframe..

and 3-5 is disingenuous if you consider what happened in the GS game and how they ended up blowing the Warriors out with LeBron out of the game.


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97. "lol lakers have had guys out all season."
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>Rondo, McGee, Beasley, Kuzma have all missed games during
>this timeframe..

Lakers went on a great run w/ LeBron with Beasley, Rondo & Ingram out several games -- this is a deep team and they should be able tread water with LeBron out when their core has remained relatively intact through the stretch.

>and 3-5 is disingenuous if you consider what happened in the
>GS game and how they ended up blowing the Warriors out with
>LeBron out of the game.

After they had built a lead w/ LeBron in the game.

But you're right - the lakers aren't 3-5 w/ out LeBron during this stretch - they're 3-6.

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102. "Ok...."
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>>Rondo, McGee, Beasley, Kuzma have all missed games during
>>this timeframe..
>
>Lakers went on a great run w/ LeBron with Beasley, Rondo &
>Ingram out several games -- this is a deep team and they
>should be able tread water with LeBron out when their core has
>remained relatively intact through the stretch.
>
>>and 3-5 is disingenuous if you consider what happened in the
>>GS game and how they ended up blowing the Warriors out with
>>LeBron out of the game.
>
>After they had built a lead w/ LeBron in the game.
>
>But you're right - the lakers aren't 3-5 w/ out LeBron during
>this stretch - they're 3-6.
>
>-->
Yeah.. as guys were during the stretch were LeBron is out... lol
Dude GS got the 18 point lead down to 2 points and the Lakers won by +20...

And they were 4-6 to start the season *with* LeBron playing..

*shrug*..

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26. "We trash, Bron is the GOAT."
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

2014 DAMALI Football Pool Champion

  

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31. "This is a blessing in disguise....young'uns looked strong tonight"
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BI/ZO/HART with Kuz and Bron as the Lakers Death lineup could be intriguing this spring.


Bron being out is giving them the opportunity to find their games together.

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33. "naw i dont want to see the Kuzma 5 experience again"
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we leaked buckets like the titanic and he was taking such a beating that it was killing him on the offensive side.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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71. "It is.. they get to grow up a little more before Bron gets back.."
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They won't be totally reliant on him to make things happen. He can just orchestrate plays at key moments to help them win games. Bron can truly get his Magic on going forward. Control the game.

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32. "huge win @ Dallas."
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35. "side topic: Lonzo 'Prince Rogers Rondo' Ball"
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what's y'all's take on him? because he looking wild sus right now, on the cusp of booty

to the point I'm beginning to wonder if shipping off Randle and Beige Messiah was a good idea.

  

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37. "Zo has home-town favoritism buoying him. "
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If he didn't have the local buzz that he has - I think fans would be very low on him at this point. Hate to say that I agree with SAS - but i do re: Lonzo. Sometimes he looks like he doesn't necessarily care for the game and plays wildly indifferent -- other times he's engaged and looks like Jason Kidd 2.0. He did miss preseason and is coming off serious injury (so the first 20 games really was his training camp) - but I'm hoping to see more fire in him moving forward. I think it's safe to say that he'd very much be in play for a blockbuster trade featuring multiple Lakers in exchange for a Big Fish.

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41. "Lol he never looks like Jason Kidd"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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42. "let's look at some actual facts versus your feelings"
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Jason Kidd (rookie year):
11+ ppg
7+ apg
5+ rbg
FG%: 38%
3pt FG%: 23%

Lonzo Ball (rookie year):
10+ ppg
7+ apg
7 rbg
FG%: 36%
3pt FG% 30%

yea i guess you're right. No similarities whatsoever.

J. Kidd came into the league as a swiss-army knife guy who needed to work on his shooting - and transformed from a bad shooter to a reliable spot-up 3 point shooter, very good from the free throw strike (after being abysmal early in his career as a shooter).

but yea - nothing alike.


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48. "honest question, no snark- did you watch Kidd play?"
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You seem like a younger dude, which is fine.


But, did you watch Kidd's early days? Specifically his Rookie year, because that's what you are comparing?

He was special- especially as the season went on.


Lonzo ain't special. And that's okay. But he just isn't.

  

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49. "Yes I did"
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I was quite young when he was a rookie - but watched him in Dallas and much more so in New Jersey.

>He was special- especially as the season went on.
>
>
>Lonzo ain't special. And that's okay. But he just isn't.

I may be in the minority - but I think Lonzo shows flashes of being very special. It took Kidd quite some time to develop into the hall-of-famer he is. I'm not saying Lonzo will become that caliber of player - but he shows flashes of being that kind of potential.

-exquisite vision
-elite play-making/passing instincts
-unselfish
-capable of playing/processing at a very fast rate
-fast hands and great size at PG to defend at a high level

He's not Kidd, of course. But Kidd wasn't the eventual star he turned out to be during his rookie year, either.

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53. "Word"
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>I was quite young when he was a rookie - but watched him in
>Dallas and much more so in New Jersey.
>
>>He was special- especially as the season went on.
>>
>>
>>Lonzo ain't special. And that's okay. But he just isn't.
>
>I may be in the minority - but I think Lonzo shows flashes of
>being very special. It took Kidd quite some time to develop
>into the hall-of-famer he is. I'm not saying Lonzo will
>become that caliber of player - but he shows flashes of being
>that kind of potential.
>
>-exquisite vision
>-elite play-making/passing instincts
>-unselfish
>-capable of playing/processing at a very fast rate
>-fast hands and great size at PG to defend at a high level
>
>He's not Kidd, of course. But Kidd wasn't the eventual star
>he turned out to be during his rookie year, either.
>
>-->

I don't really have a dog in this fight.

I actually think the Kidd comparisons early on, and now, are a little unfair to Zo because that is a very high bar in my opinion.

I don't think he'll hit that bar obviously, but I do think folks should be patient while also having reasonable expectations.


I haven't watched every game of course, but he does seem too passive/not engaged a lot of the time.

There are some Laker fans that over-rate him, and others. Like, if it takes flipping BI and Lonzo to land something special, you do it. No question.

  

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54. "Numbers can LIE"
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I like Lonzo, and I think he can be at least a 2-time all star....but Jason Kidd was ELITE ELITE ELITE at every level, 2-time Mr. California, consensus AA in college, etc.

Zo's numbers are very similar to Kidd's, but he ain't having that impact.


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45. "If you pay attention to the FO, Zo isn't getting moved"
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The FO and staff all talk about the same things: defensive identity, playing fast, and playing unselfish. Lonzo does all three of those things at an elite level. Yes his offensive hesitation is frustrating but he in terms of what we want to do as a team and bringing in another max player this summer, a low usage player who can fill many cracks while being an all-pro defender and pushing the pace is exactly what you want.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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L D E A

  

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50. "yea. and magic seems to have taken ownership over this"
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I like Lonzo a lot - but I think even the FO would move him if it meant receiving AD in a packaged deal. Outside of that you're probably right - he'll be staying.


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38. "shipping D'Tective was always a terrible idea."
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but i believe it got us Kuzma in the end iirc.

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40. "oh, in that case"
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>but i believe it got us Kuzma in the end iirc.

I can see it. Kuzma is the kind of dude you need on the team. I kinda wish D'Tective (LMAO) could have stuck around

  

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43. "I was salivating at that backcourt."
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Their skillsets were perfectly complementary. Getting rid of Mozgov had to happen though and that probably soured the relationship between Mintz and the Lakers, leading to Randle not sticking around.

  

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46. "It got us Kuzma and a max salary slot"
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I'll take that any day of the week for DLo...and that's coming from someone who was and still is one of his most ardent supporters. It worked out for all parties involved.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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39. "He ain’t it."
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Been saying it since his college days.
He’ll be an average pro and that’s fine.

<---
Fuck a sig, my presence is enough.

  

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47. "I love Lonzo. LOVE him."
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Never loved and rooted for a player as much as him since young FroBe.

And not so much because Lonzo's a UCLA cat, but because, philosophically, there's so much about his game that I love: understated, super unselfish, vision for days, doesn't care about his own stats, all business in interviews. Absolute consummate team player.

But that same sort of demeanor shows up in weird ways on the court. He doesn't care about his stats but he's visibly affected when his shots not falling. He can disengage from games after mistakes. But when he's on? He's a fucking black hole on defense and no one on the team runs the fast break better than him.

Saw a comment on reddit that really makes sense to me... Lonzo's like a basketball savant with a preternatual understanding of the game that decades-long stars will never achieve but he flunked out of Basketball 101 and is complete shit at some of the most basic fundmentals. This weird dichotomy explains his polarizatation, regardless of whether you're a fan of him or not.

I love him so much but goddamn is he frustrating. You're right, he may really just be an average pro. And that's fine... and terrifying.

  

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44. "He's looking suspect as a scorer"
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Fortunately, there's a lot more to basketball than scoring. If you really want to see his impact, look at his individual and team defensive ratings. Same goes for BI currently.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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51. "With Bron, BI, and Kuz (AND HART) why does he need to score?"
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I think Rondo is actually a better comparison than Kidd.

And this guy as far as his defense is better than young Rondo, shoots better than young Rondo, and has the benefit of Bron and Magic in learning how to properly run a team in the half court offense.


I think late in the season and in the playoffs is where dude's defense is going to shine, because he's Rondo quick and 6'6"...

If he is shooting 35% or better from 3 the rest of the season, they are in good shape with him.

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52. "RB The BreakThrough (Youtube) and some trash outlets"
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reporting that Bron has a hernia and will miss at least another month.

Hope they're trolling for likes. Can't find anything credible to substantiate it.

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55. "Kuz. "
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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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56. " yessir and Beas, KCP, Zo, and BI. Defense was on one tonight"
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Third in defensive efficiency since Lebron got hurt...that's clearly our foundation. Just need to get the offense going

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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58. "And it was one of those nights... "
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https://cdn-b-east.streamable.com/video/mp4/y8bgl_1.mp4?token=G-Rn4Xul8aAAqzdK5tiC8A&expires=1547110496


https://cdn-b-east.streamable.com/video/mp4/kslwe_1.mp4?token=vu1EJfqE58Rb9XQMaTIMNQ&expires=1547110387

https://cdn-b-east.streamable.com/video/mp4/ype9o_1.mp4?token=7DctsqnhLqCiii-2qnGFyQ&expires=1547110501  

be still my beating heart

  

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57. "Sigh @ my Pistons"
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The offspring :-D

PSN & XBL: LOQuent

  

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66. "Jesus Christ do we suck"
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NO WAY this healthy ass starting 5 is 5 games under .500 under SVG right now

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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68. "SVG is on Dan LeBatard every Wednesday..."
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one of my favorite days of the week. They literally celebrated when he got fired, because then he could be on the show for a full day, ever week...lol

...push the white Wraith, when they see me they flip
paint the top red like D. Wade's lips - Conway

  

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69. "damn. i had no idea he had regular gig like that."
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gonna have to check that out. aside from wishing he was still our coach for floor reasons, i love his personality.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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72. "So SVG was the answer? Got it."
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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75. "LMAO wtf does that even mean?"
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no one said he was "the answer"

i said they wouldnt be this trash

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59. "41 point 0 assists lol"
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Damn man...that 41 in 29 mins is great but you gotta damn near try not to have 1 fucking assist.

  

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60. "Does he dress in Kobe’s old locker?"
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BrooklynWHAT
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62. "16/24. his job is to get buckets."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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LA2Philly
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67. "Is anyone else going to shoot better than 67%?"
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If not and unless you're doubled, keep shooting. The best part of his game last night was that he got nearly all his looks within the flow.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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61. "Lakers now 3-5 without LeBron - Kuz is real"
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The win at Dallas followed by last night's win were huge for this team's confidence.

It's reassuring to see that this is not Cleveland (who were 4-26 w/out LeBron in the lineup).

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63. "Kuz is the difference..."
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..the entire lineup feeds off his energy.

he's supercharged.

His work with Kobe is showing.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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64. "he got that dog in him."
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he aint scared to let it fly and he aint shook to play alongside lebron.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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85. "he's a big ass boobie gibson"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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65. "Yup... great thing that Luke said last night..."
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is basically that his work ethic is insane. And not just that, he's proactive in seeking out guidance from older players.

  

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LA2Philly
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73. "The D has been top 3 in def rating since Bron was injured"
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But the offensive rating was 30th before last night, much of which was due to Kuz being out.

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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74. "Their D had already improved - they were top 10 in many categories"
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>But the offensive rating was 30th before last night, much of
>which was due to Kuz being out.

Kuz only sat for 2 games out of the 8 they've played w/ out lebron - so not sure what you mean by "much" of it was due to him being out.


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LA2Philly
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76. "Def rating was 13th prior, off rating was 17th"
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Which was just fine for a team that was continuing to find its identity and Lebron pacing himself (as he needs to be, there's a reason we don't play him at the small ball 5 but you will see that a lot more come playoffs time).

As for the 2.5 games Kuz missed, that's when the offensive rating completely tanked. However, the team has been defending their tail off since lebron went out, it's a great sign as we ramp up and head into the final parts of the season where Lebron will lock-in and add to it.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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77. "*Smh*"
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<---
Fuck a sig, my presence is enough.

  

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78. "went from a 6-point game to a 20-point game just like that."
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While the Lakers can erase a lead as fast as just about any team - they can also get run up on with the same speed.

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79. "Yea. Awful basketball by the Lakers."
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<---
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81. "Damn, who locked Kuzma?"
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83. "He locked himself. Boy thinks he’s arrived."
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80. "Yeah, y’all got it in for Bi"
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Kuz can be absolutely fucking terrible and y’all dont say shit
Lonzo can just be...Lonzo. And he get a pass

But y’all be mad when BI stays the most consistent of all of them, but it don’t matter because he don’t have that one huge game every other week like them. Even when he went for 29/6 the other day, Lonzo trash ass game was the lead headline

Get my guy the fuck off this team with this rapidly aging ass nigga. They not winning shit and they not gettin nobody

____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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82. "lol, you’re so determined to be a Lakers malcontent"
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posting like Chris Morris leaving his shoes untied for practice and shit.

  

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84. "i do what i do"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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86. "Reality has it out for BI"
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https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html

----
bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

  

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90. "Justise better than your big brickin bitch"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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87. "BI is a very good player, just not a star"
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he ain't PG - and that's ok.

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89. "Dude is avg AF, but"
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Lonzo is a lowkey bust. If the Lakers drafted De'Aaron Fox they'd be a much better team this year.

  

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LA2Philly
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92. "Being a top 10 individual def rating player = average"
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Good one.

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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LA2Philly
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93. "Offensively, he isn't being used correctly"
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He's not a isolation scorer or good PnR creator right now. Yet, nearly 72% of his possessions have been Iso or PnR since Lebron left with injury. There's a complete mismatch between his current skill and his usage. I definitely believe he will grow into those roles.

However, he's absolutely devastating out of a triple threat and secondary attacker (like the game-sealing play against Dallas where he got the pass from Zo, instant swing-through to attack the lane, perfect pass to Javale for an easy dunk). To that point, his PPP is over 1.2 playing off the ball.

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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100. "Where are you getting these adv. metrics from?"
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The NBA stats site?

Not coming at you, simply curious.

  

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LA2Philly
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104. "Synergy data"
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---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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121. "Thx"
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94. "0 assists...talk about that"
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Yep, Kuz had an off night

Then again, nobody's made threads claiming he's the next great LAL superstar

How many ON nights BI had...3...4...?

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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96. "That was before Bron ruined his development "
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And hard to get dimes when everyone shootin like trash except you

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88. "if there was ever a question as to whether LAL needed Bron"
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pretty sure the answer is clear.

I remember a lot of people being upset that this team was being "thwarted" by LeBron. Thwarted from what? 10th seed in the West?

Magic and RP have done a great job of putting together this team - but without LeBron they are very ordinary.

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LA2Philly
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91. "Who was asking that question?"
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Your slant has been obvious in this post but what non-idiotic Laker fan (Kobestans are included in the idiot group) was saying we don't need Lebron?

If we kept the same team as last season, they would have been a 42-45 win team if healthy, but with Lebron we were on pace for 50+ in his first season and steadily improving.

Obviously the team benefits greatly from Lebron, specifically on the offensive end, and the team's defensive rating without him (now 3rd in the league since his injury) will only get better as he steps into 4th and 5th gear.

I don't see what the need is to create strawman arguments to try and prop up Lebron. His greatness is self-evident to those who actually view the game through an objective lens.

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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95. "not to mention the over-simplistic "logic" that..."
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playing with Lebron for 3 months, then missing him, is somehow an adequate representation of what the team would be with an entirely different system of organization had he not come at all

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99. "RE: not to mention the over-simplistic "logic" that..."
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>playing with Lebron for 3 months, then missing him, is
>somehow an adequate representation of what the team would be
>with an entirely different system of organization had he not
>come at all

"entirely diff. system of organization had he not come at all" -- you mean like what happened last year when they won 35 games?

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103. "oh i forgot, no one ages AND that money doesnt get spent elsewhere"
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my bad

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98. "plenty people - both here and bloggers in L.A."
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>
>If we kept the same team as last season, they would have been
>a 42-45 win team if healthy

That's optimistic and not based on any evidence. They are 3-6 w out LeBron right now and the schedule hasn't exactly been super difficult. I'd say they're closer to a 38 win team w/ out LeBron.

but we agree: this teams needs LeBron to be relevant.


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101. "Julius Randle is good"
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Outlook seemed to be competing for .500.

It was a promising young team showing improvement.....LeBron wouldn’t have signed if it wasn’t.

  

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106. "RE: Julius Randle is good"
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>Outlook seemed to be competing for .500.
>
>It was a promising young team showing improvement.....LeBron
>wouldn’t have signed if it wasn’t.

I agree. Lakers do have a promising young core - but that does have to translate on the floor and convert into W's - and the Lakers are trying to balance being patient w/ the young core to being able to compete now with LeBron's 3/4-year window. Not easy to accomplish.

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LA2Philly
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105. "No need for simplistic, selective context or trying to prop Lebron"
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Both are silly and unnecessary

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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107. "that's for sure - Bron doesn't need anything to prop him up"
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but your subliminal jabs and Kobestan citizenship are leaking all over these boards.


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LA2Philly
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108. "The sensitivity & empty platitudes have arrived, like clockwork"
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And there goes all chances of actually having an honest conversation.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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LegacyNS
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109. "Bro I'm done arguing with these fucking parasites.."
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The same dudes was shitting on the Lakers a decade ago. I don't recall them being at any parades in the past.. to hell with these team hoppin, bandwagon ass leeches... they have ZERO ownership or credibility in Lakerland...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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110. "Coaching staff looks fed up with these listless young dudes "
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<---
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111. "Lol. They just lost to the worst team in the league."
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Damn shame

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113. "which so happens to be the team LeBron left."
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so, allow me to LOL it up here

  

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114. "Laugh that shit up. Looks like Bron was sippin an adult beverage again."
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>so, allow me to LOL it up here

<---
Fuck a sig, my presence is enough.

  

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116. "LOL"
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Cold Truth
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112. "Not when we're giving his fucking charity signing three 3's in three min..."
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At the end of a tight game. Had he hit ONE this shit would be tied right now.

  

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LA2Philly
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115. "KCP had an off game tonight, he's been very good though"
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The real problem right now offensively is JHart....17% on his last 35 three's, 37.2 TS% over the last month. Kuz, Zo, and BI played relatively well tonight but got no help from those around them. Javale is also clearly tired due to a higher minute load than he's used to plus the respiratory infection that killed his conditioning plus he already has asthma to boot...then you add in Chandler's back acting up....plenty of blame to go around.

The offensive without Lebron - namely the three point shooting and FT shooting - are just fucking abysmal. 29th in the league on wide open looks, 19th on open looks, dead last on catch and shoot threes, dead last in FT's. Defensive rating has been top three but my goodness, the offensive reating is now dead last by a significant margin.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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117. "yikes! It's getting ugly. 3-7 w/ out Bron"
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and losing to some really bad teams *at home*

Not like this.

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BrooklynWHAT
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118. "woof."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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119. "Man....."
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Like I said on Twitter....The wild part about how laughable the Lakers have been without James is that the lineup is largely the same team constructed before dude signed on (sans added vets). Magic and crew overvalued their young talent and missed out on potential trades.

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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Ryan M
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120. "Randles a pretty big piece, but sure. "
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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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123. "no reason to trade the young talent...."
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players who are 20, 21, 22 can be inconsistent some times but we playing the long game here..

  

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126. "Kuz is a good player. Lonzo is showing signs of being a good player"
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I'm out on Ingram as a meaningful starter, at least any time soon.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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127. "&gt;I'm out on Ingram as a meaningful Laker"
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>I'm out on Ingram as a meaningful starter, at least any time
>soon.

Three years in and w/o Lebron around right now and he still ain't showed any signs, to me, of becoming a legit #1 or #2 option to carry a team.

As mentioned above, Magic overvalued the young players and didn't make trades that could have really benefited the organization for now and the future.

Not saying that dude's a bum at all but he ain't that dog we hoped he would have become by now.

--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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LA2Philly
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143. "Sure he aint that dog but he & Zo are elite defenders"
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BI has, by far, the best defensive rating on the team. We don't need him to be that dog but he can be a devastating scorer off the ball (backed up by his PPP off the ball #'s). The key for him offensively will be confidence in and quantity of his 3-pt shooting.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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Creole
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144. "Not shunning his defensive presence at all."
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>BI has, by far, the best defensive rating on the team. We
>don't need him to be that dog but he can be a devastating
>scorer off the ball (backed up by his PPP off the ball #'s).
>The key for him offensively will be confidence in and quantity
>of his 3-pt shooting.

Magic and Rob kept him around because they believe he can be an All-Star. I don't see that out of him right now.

Mainly, I'm still thinking of the day when Lebron rolls out. Dude is, despite still playing at a great and high level, on the downside of his career. I was at the game, in ATL, when Kobe "badly" injured his left ankle. For him, it seemed to be all downhill after that. A month later, he ruptured that left Achilles.

All that to say, I just hope that smart decisions are made to keep the team in must-watch contending status for years to come.

--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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Ryan M
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122. "Terrible foul by Lonzo, terrible last play call by Luke. Ugh "
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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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124. "Keep playing, keep grinding, keep learning"
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Best team W of the year. Everyone contributed. The struggle makes you stronger.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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125. "Kuz."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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128. "Most impressive win of the year IMO -- now 5-7 w/ out Bron"
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This team is showing real resolve in going into a very hostile territory without their leader, and gutting out a gritty win.

Really needed it going into a very tough scheduling stretch over the next few weeks.

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129. "first 6 games without Bron 1-5, last 6 games without Bron 4-2..."
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these guys are super young, that majority of our core is 21-23 years old, they're still learning how to play NBA basketball

"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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130. "easily could be 6-6 w/ out Bron right now (meltdown at Sac)"
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If they didn't have the unsightly losses to Cleveland & New York at home - it'd be a very different vibe right now.
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131. "yep..."
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>If they didn't have the unsightly losses to Cleveland & New
>York at home - it'd be a very different vibe right now.
>-->

"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

2014 DAMALI Football Pool Champion

  

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134. "like most things the results of the adjustments don't happen instantaneo..."
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Ryan M
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132. "Well they made up for nearly blowing that one. "
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Excellent recovery by Lonzo. BI with great D and career high assists. Zu with a career game. Kuuuuuuz of course. And Josh Hart winning every 50-50 ball. Great win out of what could have been a terrible loss

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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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133. "Zubac is balling."
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I'm glad he's getting some time. he making the most of it.

nah, you trippin

  

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135. "He goes on spurts offensively where he's unstoppable"
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His chemistry with Bron off the pick and roll is crazy. I actually think you could make the case for starting him (his productivity early has been exceptional when he starts).

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138. "if he's gonna give you 20+ and 10+,"
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it'll be hard not to start him. but I'm cool with them rotating the centers at this point.

I think I'm most impressed with his hands. he never misses a pass. he can also shoot it with both with a good soft touch once it leaves his hands.

nah, you trippin

  

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136. "ZuPac is the fucking man. I'm glad he's rebounded this year"
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idk wtf he was on last year.

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137. "didn't seem like he got many chances"
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last year.

nah, you trippin

  

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139. "he always had offensive game he needed to work on his defense"
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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140. "true"
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nah, you trippin

  

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145. "Also sounds like McGee and Chandler have been mentors..."
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Love to see that vet+youngins relationship up and down the roster

  

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146. "I'm glad to see that too."
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I was worried that Zu would get buried once Chandler got there.

McGee has also been a good surprise on the offensive side.

nah, you trippin

  

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141. "He picked up an injury over the summer which stalled him"
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He wasn't able to get into good shape which snowballed into his game and everything else

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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142. "He deserves it, dude put in a ton of work"
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Physically, his conditioning & strength is much better which not only means he's stronger in the paint and can move better laterally but it also bleeds into better decision-making as well.

That being said, the biggest improvement is his reading of the game. He really understands how to set screens and then open up passing lanes by dropping into the pocket. Defensively, he's anticipating which gives him an extra split second to recover and protect the paint.

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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147. "it shows."
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he's in the right spots at the right times a lot more now.

nah, you trippin

  

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148. "Solid first half, some of Walton’s rotations are still head-scratchers..."
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why that foreign dude from Kansas sees the floor I have no idea, he is not good at anything.

They’re making Harden work, Kuz is Kuzing.

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149. "PJ Tucker is like a fullback on those moving screens "
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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150. "We got bailed out on that call but"
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We were probably gonna win anyway

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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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152. "Way to jinx, dummy. "
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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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151. "Ugh. Not the place I’d like to be. "
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Let Zu shoot those FTs!

Edit- Nailed it

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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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