"Kyrie Irving Hot Takes = One-Way Ticket To Temecula"
this is bigger than dropping 40 on Philly in an OT win, doing what he does best (incredible feats of scoring)
lately, I've seen these wild takes about how he's killing the Celtics, stifling the growth of the team (and particularly Jaylen Brown and Gordon Hayward). not here but elsewhere, from Celtics fans/watchers, even.
I thought this would be OVER when he was away from LeBron (and by that extension a team in a city that is the butt of everyone's jokes), but they persist... and intensify
it's almost as if he's truly filling the void Kobe left.
(one thing I'll say about the Celtics: Marcus Morris is a damn problem, moving him to the starting line up has shown him to be a quietly effective wing.)
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86672 posts
Thu Dec-27-18 02:10 PM
1. "I just love how vehemently those people ignore the numbers." In response to Reply # 0
They're already ignoring their eyes, but they're also ignoring the stats. What are they using for the basis of their arguments?
He has, of anyone playing meaningful minutes on the Celtics: - the best plus/minus - the best On/Off differential - the best win shares - the best win shares per 48
If you want to ignore those stats, fine. Look at ones you understand. He has a career best assists-per-36 and his best assist rate since his rookie year. A 33.9% assist rate paired with an 11.6% TO rate. Career-best rebounding and steal rates. Career-best DRtg. His best two PERs and true shooting percentages? This season and last season. Shooting near his career-best 3-point percentage. They've won 11 of their last 15 games.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86672 posts
Fri Dec-28-18 02:58 AM
6. "Yeah, and I was stupid. " In response to Reply # 5
Just out of college Longo rode a college Longo agenda that was based on nothing but feelings. It's not a surprise that agenda ended in a giant L for exactly that reason.
Maybe the people making these anti-Kyrie comments are doing the same thing I did with Dirk. And I'm here to tell them, with first-hand knowledge, that that's a stupid thing to do.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86672 posts
Fri Dec-28-18 11:03 AM
12. "Correct! Luckily, as indicated by the enormous amount of stats..." In response to Reply # 9
... this isn't one of those. This isn't me saying Mason Plumlee > Anthony Davis or some dumb shit. There are a shitload of numbers to back any pro-Kyrie argument up.
13. "haha true. I respect the Plum Dogg enthusiasm though" In response to Reply # 12
>... this isn't one of those. This isn't me saying Mason >Plumlee > Anthony Davis or some dumb shit. There are a >shitload of numbers to back any pro-Kyrie argument up.
I actually respect when people are clear as to where their biases are (because virtually every sports fan/commentator has bias and leans towards a player/team in some way). The key is to make the sound arguments supporting your bias - which you do rather religiously.
As an Illini kid growing up (Kendall Gill was the guy I posited as the elite wingman in the late 90's lol) - I'm just annoyed by the embarrassment of riches in Durham.
>I actually respect when people are clear as to where their >biases are (because virtually every sports fan/commentator has >bias and leans towards a player/team in some way). The key is >to make the sound arguments supporting your bias - which you >do rather religiously.
I try hard to do this. Obviously a lot harder with projections for young guys, since there's less data, but I try to at least be honest about the one-and-done's potential downfalls while still getting excited for their upside.
>As an Illini kid growing up (Kendall Gill was the guy I >posited as the elite wingman in the late 90's lol) - I'm just >annoyed by the embarrassment of riches in Durham.
Ha! I get it. Lord knows if UNC were landing recruits like this, I'd be wildly annoyed too.
Re: the Illini-- man, I'm really rooting for Brad Underwood. Would love to see the Illini back where they should be, and Underwood has been a hell of a coach to this point in his career. They're obviously still really young, but the shoot-lots-of-3s-and-pressure-like-hell style has kept them competitive without the crucial component of, y'know, winning the games. They've had *brutal* luck both this year and last in close games-- bottom 10 in the NCAA both years in close games falling their way. Which suggests that they should regress and start winning them soon enough. In theory.
I suspect they'll get there eventually, it's just taking a bit longer as he gets more of "his guys" on the floor. Frazier, Dosunmu, and Giorgi is a really nice core going into next year though. I could argue that'd be a Top 5 returning trio in the Big 10 in 2019/2020.
>thru a LeBron narrative.. Mofos stay hating on Kyrie.. Hating >on Steph... Hating on KD... It's sad.. .lol >LeBron been over for 2 years now.. they won't let go.. lol > >Kyrie is a young bull...
Bwahahahah
Kyrie was Bron's sidekick
Durant and Steph had to team up to beat Lebron
So Lebron is the central figure in every guy you just named
Kyrie his the biggest clutch shot in LeBron's career. Ray Allen hit the 2nd.. lol
Again, more LeBron narrative bullshit. KD left erratic ass Russ to go to the place that was the best fit & best chance to win. KD wasn't being blocked by LeBron.. lol
Shit was all gravy when Bron did it in Miami.. Live by the superteam, die by the superteam.. oh well...
19. "LMAO Horry hit clutchest of Kobe/Duncan/Shaq careers, Einstein" In response to Reply # 16
>Kyrie his the biggest clutch shot in LeBron's career. Ray >Allen hit the 2nd.. lol
LMAOOOOO
Bob Horry hit biggest shots of THREE of their careers Fuck you talking about
Bwhahahahahahahahhahahahahaha
>Again, more LeBron narrative bullshit. KD left erratic ass >Russ to go to the place that was the best fit & best chance to >win. KD wasn't being blocked by LeBron.. lol
Bruh they had to team up to beat Lebron, after Lebron farted in the 73 win dinner....bwahahahahaahahah good for them, like Golden State but Lebron COMPLETELY RUNS THE LEAGUE. He MADE THEM TEAM UP.....OH it's true
>Shit was all gravy when Bron did it in Miami.. Live by the >superteam, die by the superteam.. oh well...
Oh, I'm not mad, but to say Lebron doesn't run the league is LMAOOOOOOO
He does. Where he goes dictates everything about what everyone does. The WHOLE LEAGUE was waiting to see where he went. Why? Because it dictates everyone else's moves. Just like KD to GS. GS won 73 worthless ass games and got punched in the nose by Lebron the God...oh youmad
8. "Straw man. Who’s saying this?" In response to Reply # 0
>lately, I've seen these wild takes about how he's killing the >Celtics, stifling the growth of the team (and particularly >Jaylen Brown and Gordon Hayward). not here but elsewhere, from >Celtics fans/watchers, even.
But yeah, Kyrie is probably a top 5 pg in the league. He’s great.
---- bshelly
"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God
11. "curious: what takes are you seeing that say he's killing the C's?" In response to Reply # 0
Because the lion-share of Kyrie takes I see are all about how he's allegedly the greatest closer in the game - and has proven that he can be the guy on a championship caliber team (even though that actually hasn't been proven). Most of the takes I see give him the benefit of the doubt on his Cleveland exit, and even credit him for making the move to the Celtics (even though he was traded there).
For a guy who demanded a trade mid-contract and hasn't yet proven to be a substantive difference-maker to a team that was already very successful without him, he's rather beloved as a killer and somebody who is credited for wanting to be the man even if it meant leaving a perennial winner/conference champion.
21. "Facebook link I found that resembles these takes" In response to Reply # 11
this is way more nuanced than "Kyrie fault" mind you but people run with the Kyrie criticism here and go wild with it: https://tinyurl.com/Celtics-Riches
TL/DR: Celtics are an embarrassment of riches and Brad don't know what to do with it
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