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"OKPWrassling: Winter PPVs"


  

          

The last post lasted 3 months! That's gotta be a record length for us. Enthusiasm for the product is at its lowest in a long time and WWE has been seeing some pretty empty arenas. Really a shame considering they've never had more talent.

Just for the record, I have to pass this spreadsheet on after Mania (if anyone is willing to take it). It's just too time-consuming for a thing I'm losing interest in. Anyway, here are your TLC predictions!!


https://tinyurl.com/OKPTLC

  

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Remember we used to need to do these posts monthly???
Dec 13th 2018
1
I saw the problem laid out perfectly elsewhere
Dec 13th 2018
2
the thing that kills me is that the WWE acts like its so hard
Dec 13th 2018
3
all creative credit/blame is on Vince
Dec 13th 2018
5
The Rumble is always exciting, but still, they're fucking around a lot
Dec 13th 2018
4
Honest question: Who is being built to main event Mania?
Dec 14th 2018
6
the cool downs blow my mind. they really are trying to prevent The Rock ...
Dec 14th 2018
7
It's been Rousey v. Charlotte since the day after last year's Mania
Dec 14th 2018
8
I'm talking on the men's side
Dec 14th 2018
9
I think Becky has put a wrench in that
Dec 14th 2018
14
      at the very least she's in a triple threat at Mania
Dec 15th 2018
17
Seth and Miz make the most sense to me
Dec 14th 2018
10
I think Batista or Triple H could win the Rumble on some DUMB shit
Dec 14th 2018
11
      Aitch will be out a while, but I agree with this sentiment
Dec 14th 2018
12
Watch. Other. Wrestling.
Dec 14th 2018
13
Honestly, I catch up like 2-3 times a year on New Japan
Dec 14th 2018
15
      There is a chrome extension that works wonders for NJPW
Dec 14th 2018
16
Why is the spreadsheet locked, show starts at 8pm right?
Dec 16th 2018
18
Pre show started at 6pm est
Dec 16th 2018
19
      Correct, I lock at the first preshow match
Dec 17th 2018
45
This main event is fucking brutal
Dec 16th 2018
20
alright I’ve come around on Ronda
Dec 16th 2018
21
WELP.
Dec 16th 2018
22
      I'm ok with it
Dec 16th 2018
24
           No it’s not. They showed Charlotte as the fade image.
Dec 16th 2018
27
                They 100% showed both several times
Dec 16th 2018
28
                Huh? I don’t get it
Dec 17th 2018
30
                     Charlotte stole the damn show tonight
Dec 17th 2018
34
Guess we know our Mania main event
Dec 16th 2018
23
They’re going to nuke the hottest act they have going
Dec 16th 2018
25
      No, they're going to give us a triple threat match
Dec 16th 2018
26
           If you want to have that faith, great.
Dec 16th 2018
29
           I'm following the story they are telling
Dec 17th 2018
33
           I'd love to be able to do that, but they had to be dragged to get WMXXX ...
Dec 17th 2018
35
                My thoughts would be 1 of 2 things
Dec 17th 2018
36
                     Again, I point you to WM XXX
Dec 17th 2018
37
                          they eventually did it though
Dec 17th 2018
38
                               and aren't those women the three biggest stars?
Dec 17th 2018
39
                                    You guys are probably right. I just don't truss it.
Dec 17th 2018
40
                                         Your distrust is not unearned
Dec 17th 2018
41
           you're freaking out prematurely here
Dec 17th 2018
44
                if last night leads you any unexpected direction, it's a four-way
Dec 17th 2018
46
           I believe this because that’s truly where the most money is
Dec 17th 2018
31
                RE: I believe this because that’s truly where the most money is
Dec 17th 2018
32
The New Daniel Bryan dropped the promo of the year
Dec 17th 2018
42
This run is showing how talented he really is
Dec 17th 2018
43
      RE: This run is showing how talented he really is
Dec 18th 2018
54
           what's LeBraun's issue in the back?
Dec 18th 2018
56
                RE: what's LeBraun's issue in the back?
Dec 18th 2018
58
Oh wow they think we want more McMahons and hhh on screen
Dec 17th 2018
47
McMOAR is always easier than admitting their creative is flaming dogshit
Dec 17th 2018
48
my hope is that the ratings continue to sink even lower
Dec 17th 2018
49
JUST WHAT I WANTED
Dec 17th 2018
50
      I mean, *I* want more Breeze on WWE TV
Dec 17th 2018
52
Did I hear them say Larry "the Axe: Hennig died?
Dec 17th 2018
51
u did
Dec 18th 2018
55
an 8 woman gauntlet match eh??? there were 10 on stage mind you
Dec 17th 2018
53
Golden Lovers vs. Tanahashi & Ospreay (Video)
Dec 18th 2018
57
I didn't watch, but based off of what I read...
Dec 18th 2018
59
They very first match was the exact same match from TLC the night before
Dec 18th 2018
60
thats exactly what happened
Dec 18th 2018
61
Just my opinion...Mixed Match Challenge is the perfect example
Dec 20th 2018
62
I think the injuries just killed them this year
Dec 20th 2018
63
Then they put it on the PPV but put the Cruiserweight match on pre show
Dec 20th 2018
64
Leaderboard update
Dec 20th 2018
65
RIP "Mean" Gene Okerlund
Jan 02nd 2019
66
Wrestle Kingdom 13
Jan 03rd 2019
67
All Elite Wrestling
Jan 08th 2019
68
They just brought out Pac (Neville)
Jan 08th 2019
69
Oh shit, Chris Jericho!
Jan 08th 2019
70
I just found out Neville = Pac...
Jan 11th 2019
78
      I thought they were talking about X-Pac at first, smh
Jan 11th 2019
79
      That was his name on the indies before NXT.
Jan 12th 2019
80
      WWE probably owns "Neville"
Jan 13th 2019
82
very curious about this as well
Jan 08th 2019
71
NJPW wants to keep Kenny. Theyll work work AEW post-MSG collab with ROH
Jan 09th 2019
74
There’s legitimate money and talent behind this venture
Jan 08th 2019
72
I mean, they're not rookies
Jan 08th 2019
73
Word is NJPW really wants to keep Kenny Omega
Jan 09th 2019
75
Joey Janela.
Jan 09th 2019
76
      nice!
Jan 10th 2019
77
WALTER!!
Jan 12th 2019
81
Don't look now, but Raw was great last night
Jan 15th 2019
83
why do you say this?
Jan 15th 2019
84
Was cutting a promo and forgot his lines and went deer in headlights
Jan 15th 2019
85
      woof. well they already slowplayed him because of backstage politics
Jan 15th 2019
87
      This is also what happens when you script every damn thing
Jan 15th 2019
93
           I think he was given the opportunity to do his thing here
Jan 15th 2019
94
I now just assume that any time the show is good it’s an accident
Jan 15th 2019
86
Explain what I'm missing with Rousey
Jan 15th 2019
88
RE: Explain what I'm missing with Rousey <- not a damn thing. she's awfu...
Jan 15th 2019
89
I feel like they should have let her cook longer
Jan 15th 2019
90
love this
Jan 15th 2019
91
her history is baked in to her character, and her offense is solid enoug...
Jan 15th 2019
92
Stone Cold's been running "best of" while he's on vacation
Jan 17th 2019
95
Heyman has such a fascinating mind...
Jan 17th 2019
96
i listened to Dusty and Paul E today actually
Jan 17th 2019
97
i watched the first RAW of the year yesterday
Jan 17th 2019
98
You should watch this week's instead
Jan 17th 2019
99
      Is that fair though?
Jan 17th 2019
100
           Well it's not like they fired him
Jan 17th 2019
101
                RE: They ice-water challenged the shit out of him tho
Jan 19th 2019
102
Making up a mania card
Jan 19th 2019
103

Oak27
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1. "Remember we used to need to do these posts monthly???"
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Outside of Mania season these last few years have been a real struggle to stay interested. If it weren't for the backlog of Raws and PPVs from the 90's and early 2000's I wouldn't even still have my Network subscription. I honestly wish there were different tiers of subscriptions where a cheaper version came with just retro shit. I guess NXT and UK weekly shows get watched occasionally, but really the only thing I'm excited for coming out of WWE are NXT Takeovers (which they nail every single time).

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, WWE's biggest problem is there is too much god damn wrestling. On the main roster I can't think of any match up I'm dreaming of, I've quite literally already seen everything. Matches are wasted with no build then rinsed, washed and repeated over and over. There is so much in-ring talent, it's at an all-time high, but creative is at an all-time low, but at the same time I wish they wouldn't let these guys go 80%+ on Raw and SD. Save that for the PPV. Besides it being on a Sunday night, there is nothing special about PPVs anymore. We can see great matches on Raw and SD, the production/stage/etc is just as flashy on the weekly shows and if you're watching a PPV chances are there was a PPV or Network special 2-3 weeks ago. I tuned into SD the other night and saw all the ladders and tables set up, hell, they had a frigging TLC match on Raw! Why should I care about this PPV again?

But, Royal Rumble is just around the corner and we're all gonna get sucked right back in just like every other year. And Vince knows it. The product can be shit for months on end and all he needs to do is pop us at the Rumble, give us a good Mania card and give us some debuts on the Raw the next night and we'll act surprised a few months later when the product is shit again. Cause we're wrestling fans. And we're fickle.

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2. "I saw the problem laid out perfectly elsewhere"
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NXT works because they write to build the characters. They work to build motivations for everything, and the Takeovers are guideposts that allow them to make big character decisions- though they don't have to wait for those. And if you build it that way, you can make the events seem bigger.

On the main roster, everything is written to build the event. Motivations can be picked up and dropped as the event schedule demands. They're getting better at it on Smackdown, but Raw is an incredibly low bar.

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3. "the thing that kills me is that the WWE acts like its so hard"
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i was flicking thru wrassle twitter last night and i saw one of the writers whining about "waaaaaaaaah its so hard to write a good program with all the hours we have to fill" and seth rollins gets on an RTs it like "oh you fans just dont understand it's sooooo difficult"

Get
The
Fuck
Out
Of
Here

niggas got about 5 rosters worth of talent and 4 or 5 shows and a ZILLON writers*** and you can't even put together a show that has internal continuity and logic just within the episode, let alone week to week. i could write their whole TV slate by myself and it'd be better than what they come up with.

***that's half the problem right there. too many writers.

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5. "all creative credit/blame is on Vince"
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>
>niggas got about 5 rosters worth of talent and 4 or 5 shows
>and a ZILLON writers*** and you can't even put together a show
>that has internal continuity and logic just within the
>episode, let alone week to week. i could write their whole TV
>slate by myself and it'd be better than what they come up
>with.
>
>***that's half the problem right there. too many writers.

the writers come up with all sorts of great ideas and Vince rejects 99% of them.

  

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4. "The Rumble is always exciting, but still, they're fucking around a lot"
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I honestly wish there were
>different tiers of subscriptions where a cheaper version came
>with just retro shit.

I was thinking about this but would go the opposite route myself. Don't have time to catch up on old stuff (and I caught up on most of the stuff I wanted already), but I'd love a $5 live feed/current stuff subscription.

The product can be shit for months on end and
>all he needs to do is pop us at the Rumble, give us a good
>Mania card and give us some debuts on the Raw the next night
>and we'll act surprised a few months later when the product is
>shit again. Cause we're wrestling fans. And we're fickle.

You're probably right but I think they're really playing with fire this time though. They have more competition than they've had in the last 2 decades and EVERYONE is talking about how bad their product is. I don't think they really care about ratings that much (they always blame football), but attendance is dipping a bit and that should scare them. I've seen some recent pics opposite hard cam and it looks like a TNA show from a few years back.

  

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6. "Honest question: Who is being built to main event Mania?"
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Around this time in most years it is pretty obvious who the 2 or 3 rumble contenders are and who wrestlemania will be built around, but this year, does anyone seem to have any forward momentum to main event mania?

Braun- Has been cooled beyond belief, maybe he will do it still, but it definitely was not built well to get there

Seth- Seems a likely favorite for Rumble win, especially if he loses on Sunday, he can fill the spot easy and main event any card, but that is really just plugging him in, they certainly have not built him to Mania main event story level currently

Drew Mcintyre- This is really the only guy with any forward momentum, if they keep pushing him hard he could be a Rumble winner, but he also feels a little uninspiring to me as a main main event. Literally the only guy moving forward though.

AJ- Maybe, but he is so involved in this Bryan storyline that I can't see it maintaining until Mania, doubt they send him to Raw

Finn- LOL. Similar to Seth, he could get plugged in and not be an issue, but he sure is not on a pace that makes sense

Miz- Felt like he could main event a few months ago, but now he is in this stupid storyline with Shane, why is he getting cooled down?

Seriously, who is the mania main event this year? Who is winning the Rumble, and what justification is there so far for them to be in that spot?

  

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7. "the cool downs blow my mind. they really are trying to prevent The Rock ..."
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8. "It's been Rousey v. Charlotte since the day after last year's Mania"
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9. "I'm talking on the men's side"
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The women are closing Mania for sure this year. Between Becky/Charlotte and Ronda, I hope we get a 3 way honestly

But main event mania now never really refers to just the last match, like who are the men fighting for the 2 titles and who is winning the rumble?

  

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14. "I think Becky has put a wrench in that"
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Not enough to call it just yet, but I don't think Vince can possibly be stubborn enough to ignore this.

  

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17. "at the very least she's in a triple threat at Mania"
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but it's possible it's a one-on-one with her and ronda and charlotte just gets involved.

  

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10. "Seth and Miz make the most sense to me"
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but you're right that the momentum is all off for every dude on the roster. It's still crazy to me that they've fucked up Braun's momentum completely.

  

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11. "I think Batista or Triple H could win the Rumble on some DUMB shit"
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12. "Aitch will be out a while, but I agree with this sentiment"
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One site was saying The Rock was penciled in to win and challenge Roman but the plan changed when Roman left. Other people disputed that, but it's believable enough and this is a weird year where they could pull some shit like that.

  

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13. "Watch. Other. Wrestling."
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Yes, WWE main roster product is stale now. I've found other things to do with my Monday nights and I'll tune into Smackdown because it is a bit better than Raw. But there are other promotions out there who put on a really good show that actually make sense.

Wrestle Kingdom 13 is on Jan. 4th. Just sayin, you could always start there and watch New Years Dash the next day.

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15. "Honestly, I catch up like 2-3 times a year on New Japan"
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and a huge part of that is their app and their website sucks. I'm pretty smart and I find it to be impossible to navigate even when it's translated.

  

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16. "There is a chrome extension that works wonders for NJPW"
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It's called NJPWext. Not only does it translate automatically it also organizes the matches a bit better. I watch on the Xbox using the edge browser but I don't find the site that bad to navigate, then again I've gotten used to it by now to the point I can find anything I need.

It's the best money I spend on wrestling and some of those cards I take off of work the next day just so I can stay up and watch when it airs live.

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18. "Why is the spreadsheet locked, show starts at 8pm right?"
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We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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19. "Pre show started at 6pm est"
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The main show has always started at 7pm est since they went back to being Raw/Smackdown on same show.

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45. "Correct, I lock at the first preshow match"
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Which was the cruiserweights around 6:30 EST

  

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20. "This main event is fucking brutal"
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If Charlotte doesn't have a broken rib or 2 she isn't human

  

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21. "alright I’ve come around on Ronda"
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I thought she was great against Charlotte, and did well against Nia Jaxx
tonight too. I don’t watch Raw anymore so not sure if the promos have improved at all, but she’s bringing it in these PPVs and getting better. I’m glad she’s having real matches and not just no selling and doing the same couple moves in squash matches. She earned my respect taking that beating against Charlotte, and she made Nia look
good while still looking strong. I’m sold.

  

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22. "WELP. "
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That was fucking dumb.

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24. "I'm ok with it"
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I'd prefer a clean ending to a classic match, but it's about long term storytelling and the story is this triple threat at Mania.

  

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27. "No it’s not. They showed Charlotte as the fade image. "
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They didn’t show Becky. We’ll get Becky/Asuka on the pre-show. They learned absolutely nothing from WCW.

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28. "They 100% showed both several times"
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This is going to be a triple threat match. She could easily have just cost Charlotte the match, she cost them both the match.

  

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30. "Huh? I don’t get it"
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She clearly screwed both of them.

Becky was the champ.

Becky will be the one the fans are behind.

Triple threat match.

Regardless, Charlotte is still the greatest. I know it’s cool how Becky caught fire and all. But Charlotte is....the best. Easily.

  

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34. "Charlotte stole the damn show tonight"
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I get the Charlotte hate because people love Becky and hate anyone who is just constantly put in the spot, but Charlotte is the greatest. She's top 3 performer on the roster male or female and her character development during the match was amazing.

She is not Roman Reigns or Cena being shoved there too early when it isn't earned, she is their top star. Becky is hot right now and you ride the hot hand, but people talk about Charlotte like she doesn't deserve to be a focus of the show.

All that said, this is clearly a triple threat match set up for Mania.

  

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23. "Guess we know our Mania main event"
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I mean we knew it, but it's official now

  

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25. "They’re going to nuke the hottest act they have going"
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For the “known.” FFS.

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26. "No, they're going to give us a triple threat match"
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29. "If you want to have that faith, great. "
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This is the same company that nerfed Asuka until oh, two weeks ago, put the title back on Lesnar after Reigns had to drop the title.

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33. "I'm following the story they are telling"
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They are telling a 3 way rivalry. There is no way this isn't a triple threat at mania baring an injury or something

  

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35. "I'd love to be able to do that, but they had to be dragged to get WMXXX ..."
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Shit, if not for the Curtain Call, I don't know that Austin happens for them.

It's a good story if they do the triple threat, but I don't think they'll pull the trigger on including Becky. From Vince's perspective, they don't need to. They were able to test-balloon Charlotte versus Ronda and everyone loved it when Charlotte broke out the Kendo. So what do they need Becky for? They've already got Rousey and the daughter of Ric Flair to put on Sportscenter between January and April.

Plus they can just have Becky chase her title back. They have an out, and I don't trust Vince McMahon with an out.

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36. "My thoughts would be 1 of 2 things"
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1 would be the schmoz finish to the Rubmle where Charlotte and Becky tie or some controversy happens and it just results in a triple threat match. Maybe they get told you can each challange champ, charlotte chooses Ronda and then Becky does the same thing to a huge roar.

2. Would be they toy with us, annouce charlotte vs Ronda really early, like in January but Becky wins the Rumble and instead of taking the easy 1 on 1 match she jumps into the already announced match.

I just can't see them blowing this one, it is their mania main event and the 3 biggest stars they have right now.

  

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37. "Again, I point you to WM XXX"
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They had to be dragged kicking and screaming to include Daniel Bryan in that. The most over dude in YEARS, and they had to Rube Goldberg him into the main event.

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38. "they eventually did it though"
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i dont see how this women's thing doesnt end up as a triple threat.

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39. "and aren't those women the three biggest stars?"
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Ronda, Charlotte, and Becky are probably their three most over and interesting stars right now. Isn't that what you want at the top of your show? It seems like a rare situation where EVERYONE wins - the fans, the company, the performers themselves. Vince gets his mainstream attention, the fans get a great match, the girls get legend status.

  

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40. "You guys are probably right. I just don't truss it."
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And honestly, Ronda marching down felt too much like Lesnar at Hell in a Cell to me. 🤷‍♂️

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41. "Your distrust is not unearned"
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I just think they're doing this one right, it's been done perfectly so far and last night was the big move

  

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44. "you're freaking out prematurely here"
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Nothing about last night suggests anything but a triple threat. In fact, if it is a one-on-one I think it's more likely they go Lynch vs. Rousey and run back Charlotte-Asuka (after running Charlotte-Ronda again at the Rumble).

  

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46. "if last night leads you any unexpected direction, it's a four-way"
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Four ways are rarely good, but on paper it would check all of the boxes

- legacy pro wrestler in Charlotte
- mainstream athlete in Ronda
- Asian representative
- European representative

suddenly, it's an international mega match

tho I hope they don't include Asuka. The promos are going to be too important and she can't really cut them. Sorry if that comes off xenophobic.

  

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31. "I believe this because that’s truly where the most money is"
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Ronda Rousey
Ric Flair’s daughter
Irish girl Stone Cold

In an all female main event for the first time ever? It’s an ATM machine

You can tour these three women around. And knowing that’s the set in stone main event going into the show only makes for even more anticipation. I think it’s realistic.

You gotta pull out all the stops.

Now Becky probably doesn’t win that match. But who knows.

  

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32. "RE: I believe this because that’s truly where the most money is"
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>
>Ronda Rousey
>Ric Flair’s daughter
>Irish girl Stone Cold
>
>In an all female main event for the first time ever? It’s an
>ATM machine
>
>You can tour these three women around. And knowing that’s
>the set in stone main event going into the show only makes for
>even more anticipation. I think it’s realistic.
>
>You gotta pull out all the stops.
>
>Now Becky probably doesn’t win that match. But who knows.

She could Benoit/Eddie Mania XX that shit and come out with the win. As always, the aftermath booking is more key.

Also, heel Ronda gives us a shot at a really good time here. If they do heel Flair too, then Becky is set up amazingly.

  

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42. "The New Daniel Bryan dropped the promo of the year"
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https://youtu.be/FhoZ40puo2A?t=1282

my guy is WYLIN as a heel lmao.

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43. "This run is showing how talented he really is"
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To be the biggest babyface of a decade, and turn around into a heel that gets actually booed, not Xpac heat, not cheered because he is cool, but booed because the crowd actually respects his heel work.

Not only that but to basically unveil an adapted all new move set to work more as a heel.

He is an all timer

  

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54. "RE: This run is showing how talented he really is"
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>To be the biggest babyface of a decade, and turn around into
>a heel that gets actually booed, not Xpac heat, not cheered
>because he is cool, but booed because the crowd actually
>respects his heel work.
>
>Not only that but to basically unveil an adapted all new move
>set to work more as a heel.
>
>He is an all timer

The babyface run is his genius on display. This heel run is like a return to his American Dragon shit...down to the small package! It damn sure is fun. And it was a good call. WWE actually has a few good calls rolling in the midst of their broken Raw format dragging them down. NXT is still a paradise of 80s love letter goodness with best Indy ever match quality. And the stories!? The ridiculously good characters? The more committed booking! Good times.

To me, the Dean turn was a great call that has since been amazingly botched. Horrible situation overall. I wonder when they knew Roman was possibly gone. And I wonder who thought that tlc match layout was what anyone wanted.

It sucks like hell that they didn’t want to pull the trigger on Get These Hands because of backstage shortcomings. Big boy might’ve screwed himself forever with that shit if true. He certainly screwed us out of a fun title run that would’ve booked itself. He could have been Brock with more appearances, fun title defenses where folks throw everything at him to try to win and occasional gags and jokes. He could’ve gotten a lot folks over by having good showings against him.

I know for sure that I will be amped when Brock goes away without the title for a while. I dgaf what other examples folks can show me, not having an existing big belt champ on Mondays is bullshit and it ruins the show BEFORE we get the horrid 20 minute setups and 1.5 hours of fluff to further ruin it. It’s unwatchable without ffwd. I’m basically retired from even forwarding through it most weeks until Mania season.

And the IC title ain’t a fair replacement. Cena did grand work making the belt gain some weight but still...it ain’t the same as having a main dude to go after and build stories around. It ruins the midcard and jobbers too. Why would I care about any of those fools? Their feuds ain’t shit. They aren’t getting title shots. Their random matches just fill the time. Getting over is an accident. It’s a bad format.

  

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56. "what's LeBraun's issue in the back?"
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58. "RE: what's LeBraun's issue in the back?"
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>

Punctuality allegedly. And maybe he didn’t do enough ring-kissing and/or grabbing when he was being pushed pretty heavily. Feathers got ruffled. He didn’t go out of his way to fluff said feathers. He got hurt. Folks made faces and had convos. And now we’re here. He’s pretty cold. He’s not Mr. Glorious Bobby Roode cold but still.

Side: I still don’t know who Roode pissed off to be cooled off so much so fast. Dude should’ve at least been best days wwf Jeff Jarrett. Dude isn’t amazing but he’s a solid hand who can have decent to good matches if you put the light on him and let him win a little when it counts. But oh well. These folks found out a way to make folks turn on a Dean/Seth match. And Cesaro still doesn’t matter forreal. It’s some high highs and a TPain-level and amount of lows for wwe now.

The network is supreme tho!

  

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47. "Oh wow they think we want more McMahons and hhh on screen"
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48. "McMOAR is always easier than admitting their creative is flaming dogshit"
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It's also a slow season as it is, even in light of just how bad it is, with an uptick usually coming during RR season, so they can further stroke the McEgo's when that happens.

Without a direct competitor kicking their asses week after week, they'll never make significant creative changes, because that means admitting that their creative is a longstanding dumpster fire.

They also likely have enough brainless, easily pleased sycophants that they can point to in order to justify the putrid septic tank tha that is the current product.

  

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49. "my hope is that the ratings continue to sink even lower"
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50. " JUST WHAT I WANTED"
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Even MORE McMofos, Tyler Breeze, and kuchadors-a-plenty

and there's another hour and a half to go...yippee.

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52. "I mean, *I* want more Breeze on WWE TV"
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But that's because dude is very, very good in the ring, and a glorious doofus outside of it.

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51. "Did I hear them say Larry "the Axe: Hennig died?"
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55. "u did"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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53. "an 8 woman gauntlet match eh??? there were 10 on stage mind you"
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not including stephanie either lmao

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57. "Golden Lovers vs. Tanahashi & Ospreay (Video)"
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https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6z0t9y

Get hype motherfuckers!

This match here was great, these guys are gonna tear the roof off the Tokyo Dome on Jan 4th.

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59. "I didn't watch, but based off of what I read..."
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they opened the show with the same old McMahons, promised something fresh, then did the same show they've done for two months

  

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60. "They very first match was the exact same match from TLC the night before"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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61. "thats exactly what happened"
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im willing to give them the BOTD but just off of that, nothing was different. and no one on earth has ever wanted an hour long 8 woman gauntlet match. soon as that hit i was done w/ raw.

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62. "Just my opinion...Mixed Match Challenge is the perfect example"
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of how WWE takes a good idea, then overproduces it to death.

Season One was a nice novelty, a decent distraction from the regular TV programming.

Then Season Two...they force-fed it into the TV shows trying to generate interest that isn't there, then they resorted to the MLB all star game winner gets home field option (because that was such a great idea) to give the winners the #30 spot in Royal Rumble - which essentially made the 30 spot irrelevant (no one thinks R Truth can win, and Carmella as a face sucks). Way too many injuries (when Strowman/Bliss ended up as Ember Moon/Hawkins...ugh) and of course the Dance breaks were funny once but every time and now on matches on SD for each of them...c'mon. WWE can kill anything with overexposure, and this is a microcosm of that.

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63. "I think the injuries just killed them this year"
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I'm not saying this idea was a home run, but we ask them for fresh things and to mix it up a little bit and this is one of those things that is just different from same old formula.

The #30 spot would have been good if not for all the big names dropping out, so then they went the joke route. R Truth won't win but that's ok. Last year #30 was just as useless with Ziggler "returning" just to lose.

He'll do a little joke, Carmella will do a dance and probably get tossed, it'll be a light hearted moment and ultimately not matter.

  

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64. "Then they put it on the PPV but put the Cruiserweight match on pre show"
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That shit made no sense.

"But it had stipulations!"
As soon as you seen the finals you know that NONE of the people involved are going to have any chance of winning their respectful Rumble matches. I would have agreed if it was someone who we all thought had a chance but none of these individuals are going to have a main event at Mania so again what was the point?

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65. "Leaderboard update"
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https://tinyurl.com/ycxm7n2y

Oak won Survivor Series, Max ran away with TLC. Af in lead by 1 over Max.

  

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66. "RIP "Mean" Gene Okerlund"
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One of the best wrestling interviewers EVER!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbcCO7OBafA

Send for the man
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67. "Wrestle Kingdom 13"
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January 4th (tonight) at 2am EST is going to be one of the biggest shows of the year.

You can watch on njpwworld.com. It's a little under $10 a month so a few cents cheaper than wwe network and you can access their back catalog. Live events are listed at the top of the site in a yellow banner. I watch using the Edge browser on Xbox one. They also have a firestick app.

FITE.TV is showing it for $34 which you'd have to be crazy to pick this option over their official site.

I'm being a real man and watching it live but o highly suggest you check this out any way you can and avoid spoilers also. Last years card was insane and this year has out sold it.

I did an entire write up to help people with what's going into this card but since this site is still the same as the early 2000s it timed me out since I was doing it at work and I refuse to do it again so just google the match ups if you don't know already.

I'm pulling for Kenny to get a win over Tana and I'm praying no one dies during the Ibush vs Osperay match.

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68. "All Elite Wrestling"
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Watching their kickoff press conference thing on YouTube right now.

How big do you think this thing could be? I'm interested to see what their relationship will be (if any) with Ring of Honor and NJPW.

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69. "They just brought out Pac (Neville)"
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70. "Oh shit, Chris Jericho!"
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78. "I just found out Neville = Pac..."
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why the name change (and why pac?)

does the guy just have the most boring names? lol

  

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79. "I thought they were talking about X-Pac at first, smh"
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80. "That was his name on the indies before NXT. "
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82. "WWE probably owns "Neville""
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71. "very curious about this as well"
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>How big do you think this thing could be? I'm interested to
>see what their relationship will be (if any) with Ring of
>Honor and NJPW.

Based on the bidding wars happening rn I'd venture to say AEW and ROH will not have a relationship, but New Japan might (although they still have a relationship with ROH, so maybe they don't want to jeopardize that?).

  

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74. "NJPW wants to keep Kenny. Theyll work work AEW post-MSG collab with ROH"
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*****

"I mean, if at any point in your life you have to publically say that you don't like your a$$ played with, you have to look back and realize you made at least a couple wrong turns..." -Stadiq

  

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72. "There’s legitimate money and talent behind this venture"
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I think they may soon find that doing episodic TV and booking several PPVs a year instead of one is hard, but i don’t doubt those guys will bust their asses to try to make it happen.

Even still, I feel like they need Kenny Omega. Jericho is old and doughy, and props to his hustle but Cody isn’t Kenny Omega. Kenny Omega is an obvious mega star, a clear main eventer anywhere in the world. They’ll survive if Omega decides to go to the WWE, but they’ll have a legitimate shot if he joins the Elite guys.

  

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73. "I mean, they're not rookies"
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They've been doing episodic content (yeah, it's not a regular wrestling show, but it's still story-based) for a couple of years now. They've been around and studied under some excellent hands in terms of producing shows on a consistent basis (The Bucks, much though I'm not a fan, started in PWG, which was wrestler run, they spent a few years in Chikara during their best storytelling era; and Cody was able to glean quite a bit from Big Dust in the last years of his life)

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75. "Word is NJPW really wants to keep Kenny Omega"
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And I think this works great with Kenny and AEW if his conditions are they have a working relationship with them. NJPW is already pushing for a bigger expansion into the US and honestly with AEW being one of the hottest topics in wrestling they could use it to their advantage.

I think New Japan is ready to give this man what he wants, and I really feel like he'd like to stay in Japan. Dude loves it there and is a Japanese citizen at this point. A relationship between New Japan and AEW doesn't hurt anyone, it only helps both promotions.

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76. "Joey Janela. "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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77. "nice!"
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81. "WALTER!!"
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83. "Don't look now, but Raw was great last night"
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A hard reset button hit on a lot of stories.

It sucks that Braun got ruined, but he did, and last week it was obvious that he is not a guy to carry the company. The switch to Balor at Rumble is very interesting.

Lashley getting IC belt doesn't mean a ton, but at least it ends this Dean/Seth thing that was going nowhere and sets Seth up for Rumble win.

Seth vs Balor at Mania is possible? Be still my mark heart.

The show itself just flowed and wasn't boring for 3 hours, I think they may actually be starting to get it and feel some fear from AEW just existing.

  

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84. "why do you say this?"
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>It sucks that Braun got ruined, but he did, and last week it
>was obvious that he is not a guy to carry the company.

i didnt watch last week so what happened?

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85. "Was cutting a promo and forgot his lines and went deer in headlights"
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This has happened to Reigns before too. Maybe, ya know, don’t ask these meat heads to memorize scripts an hour before they go on live TV? But nonetheless, was a bad scene, and it didn’t help that Brock was laughing at him during the long pause.

  

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87. "woof. well they already slowplayed him because of backstage politics"
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so yeah he might be toast.

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93. "This is also what happens when you script every damn thing"
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A lot of these guys don't even know how to go out there and cut a promo of their own because they're force feeding them all this unrealistic shit, and often changes things right before the show starts.

Can't just hand them a mic and say "go out there and talk your shit", even though for a few that would make a bit more sense. All they really need to do is tell them some key points to focus on during the promo and let them do their own thing. Makes me think that's why so many people that could cut a decent promo seem so awkward now, and those that never had to do it result in this happening.

If you forget lines you should be able to recover quickly. Lot of these guys rely too much on the script now, probably for fear if they go off it Vince will lose his fucking mind.

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94. "I think he was given the opportunity to do his thing here"
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I think on last week's raw (and this week's) it felt like a lot of guys were being given the chance to do it on their own.

Finn, Drew, Corbin, Lashley/Lio. None of them felt scripted, it felt much more here are some talking points go figure it out.

I think Braun got the same shot and just could not do it. I don't think he was forgetting lines, I think he legit had no idea how to keep the segment going and that is what really hurt him.

  

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86. "I now just assume that any time the show is good it’s an accident"
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Even still, I flipped over from the Maryland game for a second and saw Baron Corbin with a mic in his hand. Again.

  

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88. "Explain what I'm missing with Rousey"
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Most of you praise her here, but I see nothing to warrant it. My friends here think she's great. I don't see great. I don't see good. I see mediocre in-ring talent. Can't use the "she's new" excuse anymore...been there a year. Her mic skills are just this side of George "the Animal" Steele". Every match is Meany face, maybe a judo throw, armbar. On top of all of that, though it shouldn't matter, she is the least attractive woman on either roster.

I realize that I bear some animosity against her because she came in off the street, used Piper's moniker, and grabbed the belt ahead of so many mire deserving women that built the division, but honestly, besides all that, if she were good, I'f hive her props. Show me where I'm wrong.

(Hopefully this thing with Sasha will make her drop the belt to set up her inevitable WM match)

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89. "RE: Explain what I'm missing with Rousey <- not a damn thing. she's awfu..."
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90. "I feel like they should have let her cook longer"
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I feel like she does have the presence, but I do feel she could have used a bit more training before a title shot. I think we were all excited that she did so well in the first match, that was because she came in off the street and normally most people from another profession turned wrestler doesn't do THAT well.

I think her chasing the title would have been a bit more exciting, and I do think now that a surprise loss would probably help her. I'm just tired of Sasha winning the title only to lose it shortly after. Right now I'm not even sure what to do with her from now until Wrestlemania. She may be facing Lynch, Flair, or both come April, so you can't really turn her heel before then. After that they need to really make her an asshole. And if you give her Paul Hayman after (I pray ta GOD!) Brock loses the title then I think they may have something really good to work with.

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91. "love this"
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>After that they need to really
>make her an asshole. And if you give her Paul Hayman after (I
>pray ta GOD!) Brock loses the title then I think they may have
>something really good to work with.

  

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92. "her history is baked in to her character, and her offense is solid enoug..."
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To begin with, I really only think there's like 4 or 5 legitimate women performers. Women's wrestling, at least serious mainstream women's wrestling, is still in its infancy stages. As characters go and as in-ring offense is concerned, I believe Charlotte, Becky, Asuka, and I guess Nia Jax just because she's big. But most of these women are still just awful and their offense looks like 10 year old boys fighting on the playground - like Bayley, Natalya, Sasha Banks, Alicia Fox, Naomi...it just doesn't cut it. They're not physical or believable enough.

So just in the context of the women's division in general, Rousey stands out just based on what you already know about her. Top that off with believable and unorthodox offense, offense that's rooted in actual combat sports, and you get a credible character in an area of the roster that badly needs one.

At face value, sure, she doesn't really do anything especially well. And man is she a terrible promo (they trust her way too much in this area). But she's almost important by default to me, largely because most of her peers don't seem important at all.

  

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95. "Stone Cold's been running "best of" while he's on vacation"
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The Duthty interview is great; the Cena interview is pretty exceptional (the best part is - "If I'm in the ring with you and getting that mixed reaction, shouldn't that piss *you* off?"); the Heyman one is fascinating for a few reasons - one, the story of Austin and Steamboat having some booking disagreements, and two, the missed potential of the Brock/Cena story (during which the interview took place).

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96. "Heyman has such a fascinating mind..."
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I remember that Austin podcast from when it first aired and his perspective on things is genuinely fascinating.

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97. "i listened to Dusty and Paul E today actually"
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and right at this moment watching WCW Saturday Night during the Paul E vs Madusa angle,and he had me dying a second ago

hes the fuckin man

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98. "i watched the first RAW of the year yesterday"
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my first full RAW in well over 10 years. probably closer to 15-18 years

it ws fucking terrible. the show and the product. the announcers were GOD AWFUL. I didnt even hear their names, and when Michael Cole is more entertaining than BOTH color ppl...not a great look.

Does anyone sell anymore? Selling is what gives it the appearance of competition, but everything last night looked like either a choreographed dance routine, or a table read featuring the worlds worst actors. Like why should i care about any of those people? Why should i not be disgusted that they gave Piper's gimmick to Rousey? Listening to Braun Stroman taunt Lesnar, I was honestly embarassed for him, because Lex fuckin Luger was better on the mic than that.

I read Justin Roberts' book last year and a running theme was the WWF killing stuff as it started to get hot. I came to the conclusion off of 2 hours of programming that the WWE is in the business of NOT making stars. Script the vitality out of everything so no one's personality ever comes out (except for Cena for 30 seconds in the beginning), choreograph the fuck out of every match so no one has a chance to tell their own story, then everyone has to do exactly what Jean Paul tells them to because no one has any leverage.

The whole show was soulless, seizure inducing, and plastic as fuck. Im keeping the Network for the tape libraries, but the current stuff is pretty bland.

After Charlotte-Asuka at WM last year ive been hovering around thinking i might have been missing out. I turned it off immediately after bc i didnt want to be let down by the rest. No im glad i did bc i realize that they are EASILY the two most charismatic personalities AND best WORKers in the whole company. So of course their program ended as soon as they both got over hard as fuck AND got the belt over. Speaking of...Lesnar's belt looks fucking stupid. Id take a fingerpoke just to get out of having to wear it in public.

This became way more of a rant than I set out to do, but fuck. It was terrible. But given that the discussion is centered entirely around the booking, and not great matches or hilarious promos, I guess I should have known.

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99. "You should watch this week's instead"
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That episode you are referencing they were very clearly letting a few people fly on their own to see how it goes.

We saw Braun fail miserably and the next week we saw the fall out.

We saw Finn do great and the next week we saw the reward.

There was a hard reset hit on the 2019 plans on this past RAw and I think it's a result of what happened when they stopped overscripting that raw you are talking about to see what would happen.

  

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100. "Is that fair though?"
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I’m asking because I really don’t know. Do these guys ever have the opportunity to fly on their own for promos? You can’t just go out and do it if you’ve never practiced it IMO.

I remember reading Jericho’s book and he said he got good at doing promos in WCW by hanging around when they would film promos that would be run locally in towns that they were coming to for live events. He’d fill in when a bigger name couldn’t make it, and got a ton of practice. When he started getting serious mic time, he was ready.

Has Braun ever cut a nonscripted promo?

Regardless, they blew it on him a long time ago. He was white hot for awhile and it never went anywhere.

  

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101. "Well it's not like they fired him"
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But it's probably fair to say, oh shit it's Wrestlemania season and you've cooled down even if it's our fault. Now you did this terrible promo and we realize you are not the face we want main eventing the most important time of the year right now.

Edit:

We are clearly heading to the Becky/Charlotte/Ronda main event

But now it seems maybe we will get something like a Finn vs Seth Universal title rematch as the 2nd main event which given their lack of building anyone all year would be a great result.

  

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102. "RE: They ice-water challenged the shit out of him tho"
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>But it's probably fair to say, oh shit it's Wrestlemania
>season and you've cooled down even if it's our fault. Now you
>did this terrible promo and we realize you are not the face we
>want main eventing the most important time of the year right
>now.
>
>Edit:
>
>We are clearly heading to the Becky/Charlotte/Ronda main
>event
>
>But now it seems maybe we will get something like a Finn vs
>Seth Universal title rematch as the 2nd main event which given
>their lack of building anyone all year would be a great
>result.
>

Rollins was probably on for one of the Mania mains for the longest. He's carried some pretty lean material for quite a while. I assumed that he was slotted for a main as soon as they knew Roman was most likely out.

Brawn has probably been out of the loop on those plans for just as long. They're just not doing him any favors by leaving him in these monster upper mid-card blue balls spots. They keep getting to a point where they deeply need to pull the trigger on him and then they just don't. They basically killed him when he just got F5'd and slayed. It was a confirmed killing in my eyes when Roman kicked out of 4 of those joints at Mania after that.

OR

Strowman is basically Samoa Joe with backstage stunts. He can be fun and occasionally awesome, but there's no good reason to expect him to win any important matches. Shiiiid, they're both turning into Bray Wyatts with less blabbering. I'm sad about this.

I'm mildly horrified about what this Mania card could turn into outside of the women's matches. They basically can't mess up those matches. We'll see. Bootista is gonna get a spot too. And I wonder who Cena gets thrown to if the big dude from NXT's anxiety issues don't subside in time.

  

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103. "Making up a mania card"
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Can we do that at this point?

Is Brock gonna be there slanging suplexes?

Is Cena gonna forreal keep sporting that Lance Catamaran?

Allegedly Bautista is getting someone. He wanted Haitch but oops..they had to go make some money on a rando DX reunion/Brothers of Destruction match.

Taker?

HBK?

Dwayne Johnson?

Shiiiid, I don't think we make up a reasonable Mania card right now with all of these old folks potentially being on the scene to eat a big match. And if a now-beloved Finn, big Drew, Rollins, Bryan, and AJ are all going to get decent matches too, something's gotta give! Cien Almas deserves something sweet to do too damnit!

Ronda and The Man (and maybe Charlotte) are gonna main event this thing tho, right?

I hope like hell that AEW makes WWE at least pretend to try to put their best foot forward pretty soon. For now, I like that a bunch of limbo dudes on the WWE roster already appear to be grumbling about rolling out to AEW, Impact, Japan, or somewhere other than WWE. That almost has to lead to good things overall, right? Right?

  

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