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builtfromwax
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"Mark Lerner says, "Bryce Harper...SEE YOU LATER!!!""


          

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/12/07/mark-lerner-bryce-harper-i-think-theyve-decided-move/?utm_term=.ec82e47569e5

Apparently, a 10 yr $300M contract ain't enough; even if Bryce wanted to come back, Mark Lerner says the offer is off the table:

“If he comes back , it’s a strong possibility that we won’t be able to make it work. But I really don’t expect him to come back at this point. I think they’ve decided to move on. There’s just too much money out there that he’d be leaving on the table. That’s just not Mr. Boras’s M.O., to leave money on the table.”

  

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Trout better
Dec 07th 2018
1
RE: Trout better
Feb 28th 2019
20
Holding out hope this is a negotiation tactic
Dec 07th 2018
2
even if it is, the Lerners have let beloved players go before...
Dec 07th 2018
3
      He’s different from everyone else
Dec 07th 2018
4
Phillies get him for 13 yrs/$330M...
Feb 28th 2019
5
I predict, this will not end well
Feb 28th 2019
6
I hope he never wins a World Series
Feb 28th 2019
7
I don't believe he has the capability to endear himself to Philadelphia
Feb 28th 2019
9
and even after that contract is over... BOBBY BONILLA STILL GETTING PAID
Feb 28th 2019
10
      Excellent work Doc
Feb 28th 2019
13
      LOL
Feb 28th 2019
16
Every single time...
Feb 28th 2019
8
Tigers will pay Miggy $154M from now to 2023
Feb 28th 2019
22
So, serious question: How many championships would it take...
Feb 28th 2019
11
Winning even one is hard. If he’s the catalyst for one, it was worth i...
Feb 28th 2019
14
bruh, your line of questioning needs to be addressed by someone who...
Feb 28th 2019
17
it's really weird. They know it too, that's why Boras is trying to spin ...
Feb 28th 2019
18
1
Feb 28th 2019
19
possibly none
Feb 28th 2019
23
If he sells enough tshirts, jerseys, tickets, etc...
Mar 01st 2019
28
Phillies pulled a Rangers and bid against themselves
Feb 28th 2019
12
His agent is the GOAT.
Feb 28th 2019
15
I wish we got fake Mickey Mantle instead of real Bryce Harper but OK
Feb 28th 2019
21
*shrug*
Feb 28th 2019
24
One day later: what a hoe move
Mar 01st 2019
25
Sounds like the Nats offer was mostly deferred money
Mar 01st 2019
26
Well that tells me they didn’t really want Harper back then
Mar 01st 2019
27

HecticHavoc
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1. "Trout better"
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20. "RE: Trout better"
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and tbh, it's not even close.

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Tiger Woods
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2. "Holding out hope this is a negotiation tactic"
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Almost like he’s signaling to the rest of baseball - “he’s not worth what he’s asking”

  

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builtfromwax
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3. "even if it is, the Lerners have let beloved players go before..."
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Fri Dec-07-18 05:43 PM by builtfromwax

          

...none to the level or stature of Bryce, but their interest is in the long term competitiveness of the franchise. regardless of his bat, the Lerners might feel Bryce's contract demands jeopardizes that long term competitive continuity they want to uphold.

if so, i can understand it. even the Yankees closed their wallets after YEARS of spending and rebuilt their core through a balance between the draft, trades and free agency.

  

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4. "He’s different from everyone else "
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Not even Scherzer matters as much to DC as Bryce, and Strasburg doesn’t even compare. Bryce’s only peer is Ovi. He’s a special guy, the hype is deserved and I’m still holding out (a frail) hope that he stays

  

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builtfromwax
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5. "Phillies get him for 13 yrs/$330M..."
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...that just looks like a shitty deal.

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6. "I predict, this will not end well"
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The addition to what the Phils already have, puts them in contention for the division...no doubt

I predict, Harper will do well for a few years

...make some mistakes in the media and engaging with the fanbase...

and when that production disappears...I'll say after year 5 ~ 32 years old

The fanbase will turn on him and try to run him out of town...after having not achieved the goal of a WS W

THIS DOES NOT END WELL.

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7. "I hope he never wins a World Series"
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and we'll see how well the city treats him when he hits, like, .180 for an entire July

  

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bentagain
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9. "I don't believe he has the capability to endear himself to Philadelphia"
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i.e. dude seems like a total douche

not busting it down the line
club house fight, and getting the worse of it
etc...

That shit is not going to play in Philly

He'll smile and make nice for awhile, while them checks get cashed

but like you said, let him hit a slump, he'll start lashing out...and get a wakeup call from a fanbase having none of it

We boo'd Jimmy Rollins for jogging to 1st.

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10. "and even after that contract is over... BOBBY BONILLA STILL GETTING PAID"
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13. "Excellent work Doc"
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16. "LOL"
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The year is 2045, water is currency and the government of the United States of America has collapsed, leaving roving gangs of warlords vying for control over the bombed out territories from which they have made makeshift communities.

And Bobby Bonilla still gets a check from the Mets, right on time.

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8. "Every single time..."
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someone signs a 10 year deal, the last 2-4 years are regrets for the team. Every time.

So the Phils give him THIRTEEN YEARS!!!

That is a minimum or 5 years of paying for garbage. Nice job Sillies!!

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22. "Tigers will pay Miggy $154M from now to 2023"
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but at least thats a reward contract for what hes already done here

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11. "So, serious question: How many championships would it take..."
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...to make the deal worth 13 years? Since most people in here are figuring he's going to be an injury prone one-baseman by year 8 or 9, how many rings does Harper contribute to in order to make those lean years "worth it"?

Is one or two enough? Does it have to be something gaudy and sustained? What does he have to do to earn a lifetime pass?

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14. "Winning even one is hard. If he’s the catalyst for one, it was worth i..."
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Meaning if he’s the primary driver - hits like 280+ in a postseason runs with clutch hits and a big spot walkoff in a game - then it was worth it.

Think A-Rod on the 2009 Yankees run

  

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17. "bruh, your line of questioning needs to be addressed by someone who..."
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...actually gives a f*ck! like a Phillies fan. LOL!!!

seriously tho', as someone who frequently attends Nationals games, i'm glad he's not in DC any more.

that said, this is the weirdest contract in sports history. money aside, it's just weird.

  

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18. "it's really weird. They know it too, that's why Boras is trying to spin ..."
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19. "1"
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Using the 2008 example

and the associated 5 years of being in WS contention

That would be worth it, IMO

1 ring...and 5 years of playoffs

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23. "possibly none"
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i dont care that the Tigers are shoveling money at Miguel Cabrera bc he won 4 batting titles, 2 MVPs, 2 ALCS, 7SS, and a Triple Crown

from 2008-2016 (~1300 games) he gave us .325/308/1050

no ring, 100% worth it

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28. "If he sells enough tshirts, jerseys, tickets, etc..."
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none

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12. "Phillies pulled a Rangers and bid against themselves"
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15. "His agent is the GOAT."
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This deal looks trash by the end of year six at best. I'm kinda upset he signed right now because mlb the show 19 was just about to come out without a cover athlete.

  

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21. "I wish we got fake Mickey Mantle instead of real Bryce Harper but OK"
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This negotiation was laughably bad and so too was the reporting on it. Those two things are linked, in a way.

How can it be that the Harper camp was "using the Giants and Dodgers" to get more from the Phillies? They came to the table with the most total dollars and the longest contract from the start and it stayed that way. If anything he used the Phillies to try to get the Dodgers (and perhaps the Giants) to extend their offers over more years. When that didn't happen, he decided to enroll at his safety school.

From the Phillies perspective, how the hell do you see that no one is offering a deal longer than five (possibly) six years and end up giving him this kind of deal? At best he should have gotten the same deal Machado did.

There is something about the way the Phils are going about this build-up that doesn't inspire confidence. At least the division is kind of whatever (though Atlanta could get even better), but thinking big time (pennants, WS), eh, I don't see it happening with this kind of approach

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24. "*shrug*"
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I've seen this day coming for a long time so hardly surprised. or affected.

it'll be a bummer if he captures a title or more with Philly during that stretch, but can't overpay just to keep him away from rivals.

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25. "One day later: what a hoe move"
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26. "Sounds like the Nats offer was mostly deferred money"
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And he wanted more than 10 years (SF was willing to give him 12.)

https://deadspin.com/these-were-bryce-harpers-other-offers-1832983665

And the Nationals’ reported 10-year, $300 million offer made to Harper before the end of the regular season? It included so much deferred money (it would have paid Harper through the year 2053) that its present-day value wasn’t in the same ballpark as the other offers. $184 million, according to Verducci, or $240 million, per the Post’s Neil Greenberg. The math on deferred contracts is tricky, but since the former figure is coming via Boras and the latter via the Nats, you should feel safe pegging the true value as somewhere in between.

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27. "Well that tells me they didn’t really want Harper back then"
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So they made an offer that sounded big that the majority of fans will think was huge, knowing full well Harper would decline it and they could move on saying “well we tried”

The guy they’re hell bent on keeping is Rendon. Apparently preliminary conversations about an extension have already started

  

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