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ThaTruth
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"Poll question: Who's winning the Heisman?"


  

          

Poll result (17 votes)
Tagovailoa (7 votes)Vote
Murray (8 votes)Vote
Haskins (2 votes)Vote

  

  

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Likely will be Tua, but Murray’s numbers...
Dec 03rd 2018
1
what about Haskins' numbers?
Dec 03rd 2018
2
King Tua or bust
Dec 03rd 2018
3
so him getting Wally Pipped in the championship game doesn't matter?
Dec 03rd 2018
4
      nope. sometimes you get hurt.
Dec 03rd 2018
6
           He played in one close game and played like asscheeks.
Dec 03rd 2018
9
I'd say Tua in a landslide
Dec 03rd 2018
5
if Tua wins they just need to call it the Steve Nash Award
Dec 03rd 2018
7
Stats argument. Tua sat many 4th quarters
Dec 05th 2018
53
without tua bama is still in the playoffs
Dec 03rd 2018
8
Kyler by a comfortable margin.
Dec 03rd 2018
10
I agree, it should be Kyler
Dec 04th 2018
12
Pretty simple experiment:
Dec 04th 2018
16
No he hasn't.
Dec 04th 2018
22
Haskins deserves it the most...nm
Dec 04th 2018
11
I agree, dude was unreal I think people just hate tOSU lol
Dec 04th 2018
14
Haskins has been unreal. But he has the worst loss.
Dec 04th 2018
17
      He still has better passing numbers than everybody and it’s not really...
Dec 04th 2018
19
           Yup.
Dec 04th 2018
29
it will be Murray because...
Dec 04th 2018
13
Yeah, can't play poorly in the one close game you play.
Dec 04th 2018
15
      right, Bama probably would’ve been undefeated with Hurts at QB....
Dec 04th 2018
18
           Well, Austin Kendall may have put up better passing numbers than Murray
Dec 04th 2018
20
                LOL. We don't need bullshit hypotheticals with Alabama.
Dec 04th 2018
23
                     I'm Team Murray all day, but the setup is a huge plus
Dec 04th 2018
25
                          so basically any QB you plug into that system is going to put up numbers
Dec 04th 2018
26
                               Baker won a Heisman and went #1
Dec 04th 2018
27
                                    you saying Kendall would put up better numbers than Murray is not a good...
Dec 04th 2018
28
                                         Same situation as Tua/Hurts
Dec 04th 2018
30
                                              was Austin Kendall 26-2 as a starter and conference player of the year?
Dec 04th 2018
31
                                                   We'll find out next year
Dec 04th 2018
33
                                                        wasn't that the kid trying to troll Ohio State from the bench?
Dec 04th 2018
42
                                                             He called their defense “basic” in pregame interviews in 2016
Dec 04th 2018
43
                                                                  that basic defense beat the shit out of the sooners in norman tho
Dec 04th 2018
48
Slinging munies in Boca
Dec 04th 2018
21
MUUURRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY!
Dec 05th 2018
54
Baker Mayfield killed Kyler Murray's chances
Dec 04th 2018
24
in order of most important to their team: 1. Kyler 2. Tua 3. Haskins
Dec 04th 2018
32
so 1 loss knocks Haskins out? didn't Lamar Jackson win with 4 losses?
Dec 04th 2018
35
      lol he has no idea what hes talking about
Dec 04th 2018
39
      There’s a combined two losses between the three candidates
Dec 04th 2018
46
           I wasn't aware he played defense
Dec 04th 2018
47
                people are trying wayyyyyy too hard with the purdue stuff at this point
Dec 05th 2018
52
                     https://goo.gl/images/Ybrxag
Dec 05th 2018
55
The Heisman Trophy is not an MVP award
Dec 04th 2018
34
exactly so the guy with the best passing numbers of the 3 at least...
Dec 04th 2018
36
it's relevant in a roundabout way
Dec 04th 2018
37
      so Murray gets more credit...for losing to Texas?
Dec 04th 2018
38
           how did murray play in that game? I'm asking cause i don't remember
Dec 04th 2018
40
                he had two turnovers that led to 10 points
Dec 04th 2018
41
                     Tua has the worst bad game of the 3, by miles.
Dec 04th 2018
44
                          Haskins had a mediocore stretch
Dec 04th 2018
45
                               Haskins not really in it to me. & The Hurts thing kills Tua imo.
Dec 04th 2018
49
                                    Even with Haskins mediocre stretch his numbers are still better
Dec 04th 2018
50
                                         Tua sat whole second halves, played few close games.
Dec 05th 2018
51
Murray: AP Player of the Year
Dec 06th 2018
56
With those weak ass numbers.. What a joke
Dec 06th 2018
57
Does ESPN know that Haskins is also a finalist?
Dec 07th 2018
58
its fucking asburd
Dec 07th 2018
59
Everyone knows he’s a product of the system
Dec 07th 2018
60
      ^^^ still bitter
Dec 07th 2018
61
      that system that led to JT's prolific passing numbers?
Dec 07th 2018
62
           Troy Smith only won bc he was in Tressel's explosive offense
Dec 07th 2018
63
           urban's a genius
Dec 07th 2018
64
                Except he was way more productive than any other Urban QB at TOSU
Dec 08th 2018
67
                     it's hard to debate someone that the sky is blue
Dec 08th 2018
68
                          I guess Mariota didnt deserve his Heisman bc of "the system"
Dec 08th 2018
70
                               https://goo.gl/images/qr7Nk3
Dec 08th 2018
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                                    you already posted that shit, and it was dumb the first time
Dec 08th 2018
73
                                         Haskins should’ve stopped the fake fg
Dec 08th 2018
76
                                              he did play shitty against Purdue though
Dec 08th 2018
80
                                                   true but it's not anywhere the disqualifying game
Dec 08th 2018
83
ESPN trying to throw Tua in the bushes
Dec 08th 2018
65
Bum ass couldn't even finish his conference game...
Dec 08th 2018
66
If Tua plays anything better than terribly, he wins it.
Dec 08th 2018
69
Murray would be a deserving winner
Dec 08th 2018
71
Lol what? Ppl were fellating him all season long
Dec 08th 2018
74
      Relative to Tua, both he and Haskins got overshadowed
Dec 08th 2018
77
           Can't lie -- Guru and 3X being authentically mad is endearing
Dec 09th 2018
88
lol
Dec 08th 2018
75
I'd love to know who the 4 people who voted for Will Grier are (link)
Dec 08th 2018
78
I want to know who voted for Quinnen Williams
Dec 08th 2018
79
      agreed.
Dec 08th 2018
82
I was wrong, congrats to Kyler
Dec 08th 2018
81
Yeah, I believe I saw where OU Heisman QB's are 0-3
Dec 09th 2018
84
there wasn’t a question
Dec 09th 2018
85
against defenses softer than your grandma's oatmeal cookies
Dec 09th 2018
86
      Softer than boiled Perdue chicken wings?
Dec 09th 2018
87
           Lol, all love.. No worries nm
Dec 09th 2018
89

B9
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1. "Likely will be Tua, but Murray’s numbers..."
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ThaTruth
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2. "what about Haskins' numbers?"
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3. "King Tua or bust"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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4. "so him getting Wally Pipped in the championship game doesn't matter?"
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6. "nope. sometimes you get hurt."
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for the totality of the season he was comfortably the most impressive player of anyone i've seen

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9. "He played in one close game and played like asscheeks. "
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>for the totality of the season he was comfortably the most
>impressive player of anyone i've seen

If his backup isn't former conference offensive player
of the year and saves him, this isn't even a discussion.

  

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5. "I'd say Tua in a landslide"
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but the SEC Championship made it interesting

either way, a really strong year for quarterbacks (Haskins would be a leader in a lot of seasons)

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7. "if Tua wins they just need to call it the Steve Nash Award"
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the Heisman has been convoluted into this Steve Nash MVP formula where only wins matter so it will obviously be Tua.

my vote for Heisman and O'Brien is Kyler Murray, but he may only get the O'Brien, if that.
-- had 2 100 yard games, 2 90 yard games, 2 70 yard games
-- only averaged less than 5 ypc in two games
-- 892 rushin yards, 7.3 YPC, 11 TDs. only 123 attempts.

really impressed with Haskins push at the end to solidify himself as a contender

3 quarterbacks threw for 4000+ yards this year. pass attempts to get there:
Haskins (4580): 496
Minshew (4477): 613
Murray (4053): 340

he has arguably the best passing stats (but again, Haskins the last 3 games did shoot a little hole into this post) and then ran for that.

no player has * E V E R * done what Murray did this season. we are going to give it to Tua bc he balled hard at Bama? a lot of people balled hard this year.

dont want this to seem as Tua hate but in the eternal words of RexLongFellow, Come On Man.

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53. "Stats argument. Tua sat many 4th quarters"
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8. "without tua bama is still in the playoffs"
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shit they could lose 2 games and still be in the playoffs.

gimme murray or haskins who both carried their team this year and made countless clutch plays with the game on the line.

  

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10. "Kyler by a comfortable margin. "
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He's actually been better than everyone by a comfortable
margin

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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12. "I agree, it should be Kyler"
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Tua winning it would be like when Ingram won in '09. A player on the best team award.

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16. "Pretty simple experiment: "
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>Tua winning it would be like when Ingram won in '09. A
>player on the best team award.

What is Alabama like without Tua this year?

They are also undefeated and demolishing teams

The stats are less gaudy but Hurts was SEC Offensive
player of the years as a Freshman. He's already lead
an undefeated team to within a Deshaun Watson drive
of the championship.

Think about Oklahoma without Murray?

Bwahhahahahahahahahahhahah


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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22. "No he hasn't. "
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>He's actually been better than everyone by a comfortable
>margin
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>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
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>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
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>(C)Keith Murray, "

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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11. "Haskins deserves it the most...nm"
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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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14. "I agree, dude was unreal I think people just hate tOSU lol"
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17. "Haskins has been unreal. But he has the worst loss. "
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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19. "He still has better passing numbers than everybody and it’s not really..."
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close.

You do that in a major conference with 1 loss and the conference championship it’s hard to ignore.

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29. "Yup."
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>close.
>
>You do that in a major conference with 1 loss and the
>conference championship it’s hard to ignore.

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13. "it will be Murray because..."
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1. his team is in the last four
2. unlike Tua he played the whole game (and has better stats as a result - i know this is not Tua's fault it's just facts).
3. Tua just struggled against GA and Hurts bailed the team out. This is a voters final impression of Tua this year.

it probably should go to Tua but points number 2 and 3 give voters a cop out to not vote Tua.

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15. "Yeah, can't play poorly in the one close game you play. "
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And then the guy who took Bama to within pennies of
the chip two years ago bail you out

It proves that your team doesn't need you

You cannot win the Heisman that way

  

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18. "right, Bama probably would’ve been undefeated with Hurts at QB...."
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would tOSU and OU have only 1 loss with their backup quarterbacks?

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20. "Well, Austin Kendall may have put up better passing numbers than Murray"
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He’s not nearly as mobile and he was actually hurt for most of September, but he is more of a traditional pocket passer ala Bradford and with the OU line having maybe 4 or 5 NFL starters on it (same as Bama?), he could have racked up insane throwing numbers. We will see next year.

  

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23. "LOL. We don't need bullshit hypotheticals with Alabama. "
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>He’s not nearly as mobile and he was actually hurt for most
>of September, but he is more of a traditional pocket passer
>ala Bradford and with the OU line having maybe 4 or 5 NFL
>starters on it (same as Bama?), he could have racked up insane
>throwing numbers. We will see next year.

We already saw Jalen Hurts lead them to an undefeated
season and within a drive of the chip as a Freshman. He
was SEC Offensive Player of the year, for crying out loud

As for Kyler re: "traditional pocket passer" bwaahahahahah

Every NFL Scouts have been wowed by Kyler's pocket ability.
What makes him terrifying is specifically that he doesn't
lose any pocket excellence while still being fast and mobile.
So Murray is still a finalist even without running. He slings.

  

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25. "I'm Team Murray all day, but the setup is a huge plus"
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Not much different, other than the backfield, to last year with Baker, who put up crazy numbers too. With more depth at running back, this offense could have been even better. Austin Kendall is taller and slower, but has a cannon for an arm. He was hurt a good chunk of preseason and September, which is why Murray played late into dusted games (true freshman the only other scholarship QB on the roster).
As to scouts, I don't think many are really looking at him seriously given both his size and the contract he already signed. The days of Bo and Deion are over and he's made it pretty clear that he wants to play baseball; can't blame him, though I have no clue what his ceiling is in that sport.

  

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26. "so basically any QB you plug into that system is going to put up numbers"
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27. "Baker won a Heisman and went #1"
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Scouts and execs don't draft on trophy wins; those are just things that happened to have happened. That was because of his talent.
Kyler put up huge numbers, too, because of his talent but the system and pieces around him (and pretty much any Heisman QB from a major program) help a lot. He wouldn't be playing at OU if he wasn't massively talented.

  

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28. "you saying Kendall would put up better numbers than Murray is not a good..."
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look.

And Murray didn't exactly light it up at Texas A&M so the OU system MAY weigh heavily into his success. Because of his size Murray definitely wouldn't go #1 even without the potential baseball commitment.

>Scouts and execs don't draft on trophy wins; those are just
>things that happened to have happened. That was because of his
>talent.
>Kyler put up huge numbers, too, because of his talent but the
>system and pieces around him (and pretty much any Heisman QB
>from a major program) help a lot. He wouldn't be playing at OU
>if he wasn't massively talented.

Oh and Sam Bradford won a Heisman and was drafted #1 too so that means whatever.

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30. "Same situation as Tua/Hurts"
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Alabama would have likely been Alabama if Hurts was playing all year. No knock on Tua or Jalen, just speaks to the depth and system around those players as well as their individual top-tier talent as QBs.

  

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31. "was Austin Kendall 26-2 as a starter and conference player of the year?"
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We know what Hurts is whereas you're speculating about Kendall.

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33. "We'll find out next year"
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The hype out of spring and his recruitment a few years back, he'll be pretty good.

  

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42. "wasn't that the kid trying to troll Ohio State from the bench?"
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43. "He called their defense “basic” in pregame interviews in 2016"
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Then they made a “Basic D” sign in Columbus to taunt him last year...and Baker threw damn near 400 on them...

Why a backup Freshman QB was giving pregame interviews is a mystery of the Stoops era.

  

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48. "that basic defense beat the shit out of the sooners in norman tho"
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so yea, he still looked pretty fucking stupid.


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21. "Slinging munies in Boca"
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Just a coupla menches yukking it up

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54. "MUUURRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY!"
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24. "Baker Mayfield killed Kyler Murray's chances"
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They're not giving it to an OU QB two years in a row, and most people probably voted before the SEC chip game.

It's going to be Tua.

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32. "in order of most important to their team: 1. Kyler 2. Tua 3. Haskins"
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and that's the order the voting will come in

Oklahoma loses three games minimum without him

Alabama probably still makes the playoff without Tua, but Tua made them even more impressive than usual

Haskins played well albeit a little more inconsistently than the other two, and his resume has an awful loss on it

  

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35. "so 1 loss knocks Haskins out? didn't Lamar Jackson win with 4 losses?"
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39. "lol he has no idea what hes talking about"
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>

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46. "There’s a combined two losses between the three candidates "
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Given that unique context, it’s fair. Buckeyes didn’t just lose to Purdue either, they got scraped and Haskins was a big reason why.

  

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47. "I wasn't aware he played defense "
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>Haskins was a
>big reason why.



He set career highs in completions and passing yards, and he even connected on 67.1 percent of his throws vs Purdue


Do you even watch college football

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52. "people are trying wayyyyyy too hard with the purdue stuff at this point"
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the talking heads ran with it and now people who don't even really follow cfb are following suit

  

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55. "https://goo.gl/images/Ybrxag"
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https://goo.gl/images/Ybrxag

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34. "The Heisman Trophy is not an MVP award"
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it goes to the best player in college football, not the one who is most valuable to his team's success.

The argument about what Bama would be without Tua vs what OU would be without Murray is completely irrelevant.

Both of them have a claim on being the best player this year, but "most valuable" isn't part of it.

I think Tua gets it because I don't think voters want to give it to an OU QB 2 years in a row, which isn't really Murray's fault, but it's reality.

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36. "exactly so the guy with the best passing numbers of the 3 at least..."
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deserves consideration.

>it goes to the best player in college football, not the one
>who is most valuable to his team's success.
>
>The argument about what Bama would be without Tua vs what OU
>would be without Murray is completely irrelevant.
>
>Both of them have a claim on being the best player this year,
>but "most valuable" isn't part of it.
>
>I think Tua gets it because I don't think voters want to give
>it to an OU QB 2 years in a row, which isn't really Murray's
>fault, but it's reality.

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37. "it's relevant in a roundabout way"
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>The argument about what Bama would be without Tua vs what OU
>would be without Murray is completely irrelevant.

because if your team is stacked with future first round draft picks (hypothetical) then maybe it's less about you and your abilities and more to do with your surrounding cast.

there's absolutely something to be said for carrying your team when they needed you most. when bama needed someone to step up and save their season...it wasn't Tua who did it.

  

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38. "so Murray gets more credit...for losing to Texas?"
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>there's absolutely something to be said for carrying your team
>when they needed you most. when bama needed someone to step up
>and save their season...it wasn't Tua who did it.

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40. "how did murray play in that game? I'm asking cause i don't remember"
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murray shouldn't be penalized for OU's horrid defense.

but if your team going undefeated is a prereq for winning the heisman then you're going to have to narrow the field quite a bit.

  

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41. "he had two turnovers that led to 10 points"
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one a bad pick he just misread and the other a soft fumble inside his own red-zone to put Texas up 14. Texas wasn't able to stop him otherwise, but even with OU's horrific defense he contributed to the loss.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here...really all three have their merits.

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44. "Tua has the worst bad game of the 3, by miles. "
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>one a bad pick he just misread and the other a soft fumble
>inside his own red-zone to put Texas up 14. Texas wasn't able
>to stop him otherwise, but even with OU's horrific defense he
>contributed to the loss.
>
>I'm just playing devil's advocate here...really all three have
>their merits.

He looked dreadful and they lose if Hurts doesn't save them.

  

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45. "Haskins had a mediocore stretch"
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where he really fell out of the discussion. the goal line offense was horrid and that probably cost OSU the game at purdue. It also led to the tate martell package which didn't fare much better. I blame this mostly on coaching but having your Heisman caliber qb getting pulled in goal line situations isn't a very good look.

with all that said, his last 3 games were insanely good and very much deserves to be in the discussion. but this season was not without some rough patches.

  

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49. "Haskins not really in it to me. & The Hurts thing kills Tua imo. "
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Haskins is an archer, but isn't in the discussion
here.

The entire question about Tua was whether the team
needed him or not.

His backup was a drive away from a chip, and was SEC
Offensive Player of the year, and outplayed him in the
SEC Championship. You can't be the best player in college
and have that happen.

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50. "Even with Haskins mediocre stretch his numbers are still better"
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...than both Tua and Kyler Murray.

the Heisman has always largely been predicated on numbers as much as the other intangibles you guys are blabbering about in here.

That Purdue loss isnt on him, but rather Urban Meyer, Ryan Day and Greg Schiano

it should be Haskins, Murray and then Tua

>
>Haskins is an archer, but isn't in the discussion
>here.
>
>The entire question about Tua was whether the team
>needed him or not.
>
>His backup was a drive away from a chip, and was SEC
>Offensive Player of the year, and outplayed him in the
>SEC Championship. You can't be the best player in college
>and have that happen.
>
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>
>
>
>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

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51. "Tua sat whole second halves, played few close games. "
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So his numbers would be the highest, by far, if
he played in some shootouts like Haskins did

Tua's only problem is that he fucked up bad in
the one game that he couldn't have afforded to.
Being bailed by his backup made it worse.

Kyler seems like the safest pick now

  

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56. "Murray: AP Player of the Year"
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Baker won it last year...

  

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57. "With those weak ass numbers.. What a joke"
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>Baker won it last year...

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58. "Does ESPN know that Haskins is also a finalist?"
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sheesh

  

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59. "its fucking asburd"
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60. "Everyone knows he’s a product of the system"
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And the talent around him, and there’s no way another system OSU qb will fool the voters with two obviously better QBs in front of him.

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61. "^^^ still bitter"
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>And the talent around him, and there’s no way another
>system OSU qb will fool the voters with two obviously better
>QBs in front of him.


he is not the typical prototype QB in urbans system so you're full of shit

edit, and alabama has arguably more talent than we do.

sooners not that far off either.


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62. "that system that led to JT's prolific passing numbers?"
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I don't even know where you're going with this

  

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63. " Troy Smith only won bc he was in Tressel's explosive offense"
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you know, the world-renowned scoreboard lighting up offenses that he fielded every year

this year's loss really took a toll on him

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64. "urban's a genius"
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he tweaks the offense around his qb and always has. it's why he's one of the ten (five?) best cfb coaches ever, but it's also why no one should confuse haskins, who is exactly as productive as the average urban meyer qb, with tua or murray.

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67. "Except he was way more productive than any other Urban QB at TOSU"
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>also why no one should confuse haskins, who is exactly as
>productive as the average urban meyer qb


So no, he wasn't your average urban qb... you're wrong, again as usual.


The goal post moving / idiocy in this entire post is astounding





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68. "it's hard to debate someone that the sky is blue"
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the stats are what they are

  

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70. "I guess Mariota didnt deserve his Heisman bc of "the system""
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>the stats are what they are


or Tim Tebow or Matt Leinert or ......

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72. "https://goo.gl/images/qr7Nk3"
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https://goo.gl/images/qr7Nk3

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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73. "you already posted that shit, and it was dumb the first time"
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career highs in completions and passing yards vs Purdue, and connected on 67.1 percent of his throws

he doesnt play defense. but he is a better QB than everyone on that stage tonight.


lamar jackson had 4 losses, and still won.

thaw out that chicken and eat it raw


edit, also LMAO @ you not having seen 5 better QBs than Murray

talk about absurdity

>
>https://goo.gl/images/qr7Nk3
>
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>
>
>
>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

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76. "Haskins should’ve stopped the fake fg"
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And not committed all those defensive personal fouls on 3rd and long

  

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80. "he did play shitty against Purdue though"
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83. "true but it's not anywhere the disqualifying game"
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that these lunatics make it out to be nor was the game even relatively his fault

  

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65. "ESPN trying to throw Tua in the bushes "
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One of those QBs is undefeated.

Of course they're playing up the drama to get people to tune in

But the running story in college football has been the unprecedented performance of Bama's offense

Which was so good games were over by the start of the 4th quarter

Now we're suppose to believe the Murray kid is better because Tua didn't finish the SEC championship game...?

C'mon

It's Tua's award.

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66. "Bum ass couldn't even finish his conference game..."
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>One of those QBs is undefeated.
>
>Of course they're playing up the drama to get people to tune
>in
>
>But the running story in college football has been the
>unprecedented performance of Bama's offense
>
>Which was so good games were over by the start of the 4th
>quarter
>
>Now we're suppose to believe the Murray kid is better because
>Tua didn't finish the SEC championship game...?
>
>C'mon
>
>It's Tua's award.

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69. "If Tua plays anything better than terribly, he wins it. "
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But he was awful.

Not mediocre.

Awful.

  

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71. "Murray would be a deserving winner"
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Even if it i for show, he SHOULD be getting hype because he was arguably underrated for most of the season (since Tuamania sucked up all the oxygen.)

But I think Tua's winning.

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guru0509
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74. "Lol what? Ppl were fellating him all season long "
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>Even if it i for show, he SHOULD be getting hype because he
>was arguably underrated for most of the season (since Tuamania
>sucked up all the oxygen.)


Dual athlete, baseball contract blah blah blah

He got plenty of publicity



>But I think Tua's winning.

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77. "Relative to Tua, both he and Haskins got overshadowed"
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88. "Can't lie -- Guru and 3X being authentically mad is endearing"
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This post was better than I expected

Sorry I was being a dick

Y'all are nice guys, Guru is my man, real solid dude


That said: Perdue free-range chicken wings > Haskins


DAMMIT, what is WRONG with me

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75. "lol"
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Which is why they talked to Tua, Murray and left Haskins in the cold on the broadcast?

Alabama, with a ton of great players throughout their rich football history, has two of the most questionable Heisman winners in Ingram and Henry.

Tua winning would be the most deserving of the three yet although I think Murray is better.

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dillinjah
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78. "I'd love to know who the 4 people who voted for Will Grier are (link)"
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https://twitter.com/Andy_Staples/status/1071586402670923777

...not sure how someone votes for grier over murray after that Okla win @ WVa.

It was pretty obvious who the better qb was.

  

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79. "I want to know who voted for Quinnen Williams"
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and shake his hand

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82. "agreed."
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>and shake his hand

  

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81. "I was wrong, congrats to Kyler"
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As I said above, a deserving winner. Historically, it's not great to be the Heisman winner heading into this type of game over someone you beat, but it's a fitting reward for the best pseudo one and done QB season since Cam Newton.

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84. "Yeah, I believe I saw where OU Heisman QB's are 0-3"
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after winning the award

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HecticHavoc
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85. "there wasn’t a question "
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Kyler was the better passer than Haskins this year too, so even ignoring the hilariously superb rushing stats he still was the best QB this year

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86. "against defenses softer than your grandma's oatmeal cookies"
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>Kyler was the better passer than Haskins this year too,

wrong.


so
>even ignoring the hilariously superb rushing stats he still
>was the best QB this year


he's not a bad scrambling qb. ive seen better.

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87. "Softer than boiled Perdue chicken wings? "
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>>Kyler was the better passer than Haskins this year too,
>
>wrong.
>
>
> so
>>even ignoring the hilariously superb rushing stats he still
>>was the best QB this year
>
>
>he's not a bad scrambling qb. ive seen better.

Nah sike, you're a good dude, I'm just being a dick
ignore me

  

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89. "Lol, all love.. No worries nm"
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>Nah sike, you're a good dude, I'm just being a dick
>ignore me

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