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Basaglia
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"GRAND WASHING: Is Carmelo bout to be out the league?"


  

          

Rockets bout to cut him for turning them from contenders to “Anymore tenders?”

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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year 17, he’s played a lot more minutes than anyone from Duke
Nov 11th 2018
1
that’s powerful stuff there.
Nov 11th 2018
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      agreed
Nov 12th 2018
36
Nah, some team will find a use for him.
Nov 11th 2018
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I hope he retires. He has had a great career.
Nov 11th 2018
14
How soon after a telethon can you have another telethon?
Nov 11th 2018
4
In your honest opinion: does this surpass the iverson L?
Nov 11th 2018
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      Yes. And I viewed both pretty similarly as great players who couldn't ad...
Nov 11th 2018
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           His game would've aged gracefully. But The Game didn't.
Nov 11th 2018
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                breh, I been saying this for a minute...
Nov 11th 2018
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                Absolutely correct
Nov 12th 2018
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                Quality reply. In an otherwise shit post
Nov 12th 2018
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                I disagree. Yes, the game is faster, but there’s still a place...
Nov 12th 2018
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                     RE: I disagree. Yes, the game is faster, but there’s still a place...
Nov 12th 2018
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                     I guess I felt like that went without saying.
Nov 12th 2018
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                     He can? It's been a while since hes proven be can do
Nov 12th 2018
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Melo: washed. Wade: washed. Bosh: retired
Nov 11th 2018
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AnaBronic
Nov 11th 2018
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this is a shithead post smh
Nov 12th 2018
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      Yeah, Bosh should've been left out.
Nov 12th 2018
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      Broussard just said exactly the same thing (mentioning Bosh)
Nov 12th 2018
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      pretend it was cancer then.
Nov 12th 2018
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           again - nobody is speaking ill upon Bosh
Nov 13th 2018
45
      What else is new?
Nov 12th 2018
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      .....all he said was “retired”
Nov 12th 2018
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           at best, it was in bad taste.
Nov 13th 2018
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                Here's Broussard saying the exact same thing i said
Nov 13th 2018
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                     LMAO at using Scene Fucker Broussard as a bastion of anything
Nov 14th 2018
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                          k.
Nov 14th 2018
56
pancake face.
Nov 11th 2018
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Time to download duolingo and start learning mandarin / cantonese
Nov 11th 2018
10
We ain’t trippin. Keep shooting that shit Melo
Nov 11th 2018
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He should go to Washedington for the true lulz
Nov 11th 2018
15
Lebron & Wade defend their fat Springfield Bound Cousin
Nov 12th 2018
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I feel like Wade just searched for that phrase on Twitter
Nov 12th 2018
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this fat scrub couldn't even keep plain ass Lala
Nov 12th 2018
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THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXHIBITION
Nov 12th 2018
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NEXT STOP, BUSDRIVER!
Nov 13th 2018
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Is there any team he could make better?
Nov 12th 2018
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Ghost Ballers
Nov 12th 2018
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the jump
Nov 12th 2018
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he should've just retired last summer.
Nov 12th 2018
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I just wanna know how Houston thought this woulda worked
Nov 12th 2018
34
waiT tiLL HE plAys wiT CP3zZ!!!! (c)
Nov 12th 2018
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ugh, yuck...
Nov 12th 2018
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*contemplates writing pro Kyrie rappity rap
Nov 12th 2018
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is Melo that type of 17 year vet?
Nov 13th 2018
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Nigga washed like a beached whale
Nov 13th 2018
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6ers are circling the water for the release lol
Nov 13th 2018
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he'd fit perfectly with the team LA has assembled.
Nov 13th 2018
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They tankin?
Nov 13th 2018
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you must mean the clippers.
Nov 13th 2018
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      nah, i'm talking about the team that added Rondo, lance, beasley and
Nov 13th 2018
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           nah im straight w/ who we got.
Nov 14th 2018
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                I'm sure
Nov 14th 2018
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26 years old, goes to the toughest market
Nov 14th 2018
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Agreed
Nov 14th 2018
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Yeah, the “losing” is a recent narrative
Nov 14th 2018
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Making the playoffs 67% of the time matters? For a star? LMAO
Dec 07th 2018
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      And what should he have done different?
Dec 07th 2018
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      Become a well-rounded player and a real superstar?
Dec 08th 2018
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      Denver was a good situation and he traded it for NYK
Dec 08th 2018
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           RE: Denver was a good situation and he traded it for NYK
Dec 09th 2018
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                RE: Denver was a good situation and he traded it for NYK
Dec 09th 2018
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                     He went to NY to team up with MVP candidate Amare
Dec 09th 2018
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      AI made the playoffs 57% of the time? LMAOOOOOOO
Dec 10th 2018
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T-Mac was way more electric than Melo but makes a good point
Nov 14th 2018
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he could be a Ricky Pierce type scorer off the bench.....
Nov 14th 2018
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Hmm
Nov 14th 2018
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kiss of death.
Nov 14th 2018
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Absolutely.
Nov 14th 2018
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      RE: Absolutely.
Nov 14th 2018
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Like having Michael Irvin as a character witness at your trial
Nov 16th 2018
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Does he clear waivers?
Nov 15th 2018
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they're not even waiving him...he just won't be with the team
Nov 15th 2018
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Report: Lakers have 'no interest' in acquiring Carmelo Anthony
Dec 07th 2018
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Carmelo Anthony is the last great American ball hog (SWIPE)...
Dec 07th 2018
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      Pop/Melo/Beauty in the game>>>>>Run around real fast and chuck 3’s
Dec 07th 2018
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           And pretty soon, they'll rue the day they gave an aged CP3 $160m...
Dec 07th 2018
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                :-)
Dec 07th 2018
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                Yeah, probably....because he’ll get old and probably keep getting hurt
Dec 07th 2018
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DJR
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1. "year 17, he’s played a lot more minutes than anyone from Duke"
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Your guys have all been role players by age 28.

  

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3. "that’s powerful stuff there."
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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36. "agreed"
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2. "Nah, some team will find a use for him."
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The Rockets were/are a bad fit, but that doesn't mean he won't fit it anywhere else.

He'll figure out that the he has to adapt his game and embrace being a catch and shoot player. He has to realize the game has passed him by if he stays the course.

And it's not his fault the Rockets are underachieving. That was going to be a bad defensive team even before he signed with them.

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14. "I hope he retires. He has had a great career. "
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4. "How soon after a telethon can you have another telethon? "
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Basaglia
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5. "In your honest opinion: does this surpass the iverson L?"
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AI joint was jive sudden. This been slow and excruciating.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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6. "Yes. And I viewed both pretty similarly as great players who couldn't ad..."
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to playing any other way.

But A.I. was 5'11" and had all of those injuries plus wear and tear on his body. We knew that was bound to happen and it'd be fast.

Melo fell off a cliff in an instant. And it's been a long gradual step down every year for it seems like forever now. Plus, you really could make the case that his game should've aged gracefully.

I mean D-Wade is older and was an uber athlete and he still finds ways to contribute.

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11. "His game would've aged gracefully. But The Game didn't."
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Carmelo Anthony is BUILT for 1995-2010. He will go down as an all-time "missed his window" type of player. It's a short season so far but everyone is clamboring over themselves to point out how the top paces of all-time are on pace to be held by half the league this year. Melo needs 97 point wins and triple threat technique from the elbow. The game gave up on that, rapidly, just when his body couldn't get used to anything else.


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12. "breh, I been saying this for a minute..."
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he actually commented a few times last season that Russ run too fast, lol...he was like "I don't even try to keep up a lot of times".

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19. "Absolutely correct"
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21. "Quality reply. In an otherwise shit post"
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23. "I disagree. Yes, the game is faster, but there’s still a place..."
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for someone like Melo.

It’s still basketball. It’s never meant to be played whichever way becomes trendy..

Melo can dribble, pass, shoot, & rebound. Those skills are always needed.

But you have to be willing to adapt, adjust, and maybe accept a diminished role.

He didn’t want to play pf up until a few years ago.

He could be a small ball five or some shit coming off the bench and averaging a clean 14 ppg and helping a team win.

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26. "RE: I disagree. Yes, the game is faster, but there’s still a place..."
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I agree. It's not like Melo's skillset precludes him from being a respectable player in the NBA, that is just ridiculous.



It's not like we are talking about a 260lb blocking fullback in today's NFL*, Melo either doesn't have the desire to adjust or he simply can't get his body to respond. It's probably a combination of the two.





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27. "I guess I felt like that went without saying."
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Mon Nov-12-18 11:09 AM by Nodima

  

          

If the guy still wants to jab step from the elbow and pull up just outside the paint with the occasional dribble drive, and refuses to post up and bang for a quality 18-22 minutes a game rather than just wander around the key in a different decade for 30 minutes a game that's on him. But that's the guy we're talking about, and this NBA doesn't need him.


Also keep in mind I'm the kind of guy that puts AI and Melo in his five favorite players ever conversation. I have a knack for liking guys that don't age gracefully, and I see this going the same way. Melo will be 37 years old demanding the ball like he's back in upstate New York.


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32. "He can? It's been a while since hes proven be can do"
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Any of those well.

<Melo can dribble, pass, shoot, & rebound

Maybe dribble.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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7. "Melo: washed. Wade: washed. Bosh: retired"
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Bron: still in the mix as best player in the game.

But everyone's crying about defense in October and not appreciating the superhuman longevity trajectory.

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9. "AnaBronic"
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>Bron: still in the mix


  

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18. "this is a shithead post smh"
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life threatening bloodclots are supposed to to say something about Bosh as a player?

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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29. "Yeah, Bosh should've been left out."
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He was doing 19 and 7.5 when his career was ended due to circumstances beyond his control.

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31. "Broussard just said exactly the same thing (mentioning Bosh)"
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as well as David West and others from that draft class. It's relevant to bring up the obvious point: durability requires hard work as much as it does good fortune. Bosh was dealt a bad hand - but throughout the course of 15+ years in a career - things happen - such that it's remarkable to have a guy still at the top after this long.

What's the point? Nobody else out of that draft class is relevant anymore except LeBron.

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37. "pretend it was cancer then. "
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because that would have the same input from his "durability" as pulmonary thrombosis

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45. "again - nobody is speaking ill upon Bosh"
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you're just hurt.

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33. "What else is new?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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40. ".....all he said was “retired”"
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Though I agree, he should’ve left Bosh out given the circumstances of his retirement, I didn’t assume any malice or snark intended towards Bosh.

It was just pro LeBron. Like all his posts.

  

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48. "at best, it was in bad taste."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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50. "Here's Broussard saying the exact same thing i said"
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(after I said it btw) - 7 minute mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3pZXaltb7o

Funny how nobody cried foul or checked Broussard for stating a non-controversial basic fact.

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55. "LMAO at using Scene Fucker Broussard as a bastion of anything"
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8. "pancake face."
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10. "Time to download duolingo and start learning mandarin / cantonese "
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If he wants money he could go to China a la Marbury and get paid big money

But I don't think he has what it takes to bang in the NBA anymore

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13. "We ain’t trippin. Keep shooting that shit Melo"
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15. "He should go to Washedington for the true lulz"
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16. "Lebron & Wade defend their fat Springfield Bound Cousin"
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https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1061879534172041217

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17. "I feel like Wade just searched for that phrase on Twitter "
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20. "this fat scrub couldn't even keep plain ass Lala"
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nevermind a full time job

  

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30. "THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXHIBITION"
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>nevermind a full time job
>
>


Be careful, Melo still has money & connections. Don't be out in these streets looking like Powdered Toastman.

  

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51. "NEXT STOP, BUSDRIVER!"
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22. "Is there any team he could make better?"
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24. "Ghost Ballers "
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25. "the jump"
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28. "he should've just retired last summer."
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34. "I just wanna know how Houston thought this woulda worked"
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Cp3 musta convinced them right?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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35. "waiT tiLL HE plAys wiT CP3zZ!!!! (c)"
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38. "ugh, yuck..."
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https://twitter.com/vndsgn/status/1062046778470662144

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39. "*contemplates writing pro Kyrie rappity rap"
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43. "is Melo that type of 17 year vet?"
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41. "Nigga washed like a beached whale"
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42. "6ers are circling the water for the release lol"
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44. "he'd fit perfectly with the team LA has assembled."
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46. "They tankin?"
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47. "you must mean the clippers."
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49. "nah, i'm talking about the team that added Rondo, lance, beasley and "
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javale this offseason.

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57. "nah im straight w/ who we got."
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58. "I'm sure"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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52. "26 years old, goes to the toughest market"
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wins, gets to playoffs despite only one other star showing up who gets injured. 10 of the 15 seasons he has been in the NBA he was on a playoff squad.

He could have just scored 30 a game for a shit squad, but he accepted the challenge....Melo did his thing to the best of his ability.

Still a HOFer, 25,000 points.....a unique player who was amongst the best for a solid decade. No shame in that.

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53. "Agreed"
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This gotta be tough for him

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54. "Yeah, the “losing” is a recent narrative "
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Going to the playoffs his first 10 seasons with previously terrible Denver and NY, was a solid accomplishment. WCF with Denver. Winning 54 with that ragtag Knicks squad. For most of his career his teams were consistent winners.

Top 20 all time scorer. Historically he’s grouped with Dominique, Pierce, Drexler, McGrady....those type of players? Nothing wrong with that.

  

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73. "Making the playoffs 67% of the time matters? For a star? LMAO"
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I also don't get this "could have scored 30 for a shit team but he took the challenge" comment. He is what he is. A guy with first-ballot talent who became a just-barely HOF'er. If he does go in first-ballot, it'll be fueled by his dominant season in college and time with USA. As an NBA player only he is definitely not a first-ballot guy, he just didn't achieve all that much. Nice scorer though, very good one-on-one offensive player for sure. Sick hands and a great pull-up jimmy

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74. "And what should he have done different?"
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The only logical answer is “get out of Denver earlier and sign with Miami in 2010” or “don’t resign with the Knicks in 2014”. And that’s only a recent narrative. Once upon a time you got applauded for staying with your team. You also got applauded for shit like having good footwork and a variety of ways to score. Not anymore though.

On the court, he always produced. He was one of the best scorers and best wings in the game from like 06-14.

Again, he spent almost his whole career in DENVER AND NY and we want to talk about “not winning enough”. Lol.

  

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76. "Become a well-rounded player and a real superstar?"
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77. "Denver was a good situation and he traded it for NYK"
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You're on that Rudy Giuliani right now. Don't act like that dude is a fuckin victim of circumstance on that point, or that those two teams at the time of the trade (or the last 20 years, really) are comparable.

(edit - I say this all in response to your last point)

Melo's played with superstars. He's played on stacked teams. He's played as the lead. He's had every iteration of every situation a "superstar" could have to do some real winning and he never did. But he did score a lot.

  

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78. "RE: Denver was a good situation and he traded it for NYK"
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>You're on that Rudy Giuliani right now. Don't act like that
>dude is a fuckin victim of circumstance on that point, or that
>those two teams at the time of the trade (or the last 20
>years, really) are comparable.

Denver was DENVER. They were the worst franchise in the league when Melo got there. He made it a “good” situation. They weren’t going beyond what they’d already done.

>(edit - I say this all in response to your last point)
>
>Melo's played with superstars.

Who? Iverson and Amare for a couple weeks?

He's played on stacked teams.

When?

>He's played as the lead. He's had every iteration of every
>situation a "superstar" could have to do some real winning and
>he never did. But he did score a lot.

Bullshit. He led the Nuggets, whose bench consisted of Kleiza, Anthony Carter and fuckin Birdman, to the WCF. And he led a rag tag Knicks squad, whose second best player got his ass kicked by Roy Hibbert in the playoffs, to 54 wins. He never had the squad that any other superstars had.

  

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79. "RE: Denver was a good situation and he traded it for NYK"
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>>You're on that Rudy Giuliani right now. Don't act like that
>>dude is a fuckin victim of circumstance on that point, or
>that
>>those two teams at the time of the trade (or the last 20
>>years, really) are comparable.
>
>Denver was DENVER. They were the worst franchise in the
>league when Melo got there. He made it a “good”
>situation. They weren’t going beyond what they’d already
>done.

What on Earth does that have to do with him stupidly manufacturing a trade to NYK? And/or why you're citing his winding up in New York as some kind of difficulty that was foisted on him? He swapped a good squad with a good coach and a good gm for a downgrade across the board. That's objectively true, and no one else's fault. You're acting like he was left unprotected in an expansion draft, lol.

  

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80. "He went to NY to team up with MVP candidate Amare"
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in the weaker East. He only got to play with that version of Amare for a couple weeks. I guess that was his fault too?

  

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81. "AI made the playoffs 57% of the time? LMAOOOOOOO"
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>with first-ballot talent who became a just-barely HOF'er. If
>he does go in first-ballot, it'll be fueled by his dominant
>season in college and time with USA. As an NBA player only he
>is definitely not a first-ballot guy,

98.2% bball-ref HOF probability (that metric is NBA only btw). higher than George Gervin, Willis Reed, Jerry Lucas, Bob Lanier, James Worthy, Nate Thurmond, Walt Bellamy, and Wes Unseld, among others. And made the playoffs more than AI.

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59. "T-Mac was way more electric than Melo but makes a good point"
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When you're the man and have always been the man, sometimes it makes sense to just hang 'em up when you can't be that anymore. Basically it was better for him to just get on with his life rather than be bored and mopey at the end of a bench.


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60. "he could be a Ricky Pierce type scorer off the bench....."
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but Melo as a 6th or 7th man is like Iverson as a backup PG....

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61. "Hmm"
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https://twitter.com/alleniverson/status/1062378874946883585

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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62. "kiss of death."
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63. "Absolutely. "
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64. "RE: Absolutely. "
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https://giphy.com/gifs/nba-basketball-houston-rockets-mario-elie-26BkMKub5l24MvpkY

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67. "Like having Michael Irvin as a character witness at your trial"
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Which, stunningly, Nate Newton actually relied on during one of his various proceedings.

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65. "Does he clear waivers?"
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66. "they're not even waiving him...he just won't be with the team"
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68. "Report: Lakers have 'no interest' in acquiring Carmelo Anthony"
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https://sports.yahoo.com/report-lakers-no-interest-acquiring-carmelo-anthony-181839073.html

Report: Lakers have 'no interest' in acquiring Carmelo Anthony

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Carmelo Anthony is in search of a new team and L.A. took itself out of any contention. (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer, File)
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Though LeBron James may want his friend Carmelo Anthony next to him on the court at Staples Center, his employer does not.

The Los Angeles Lakers have “no interest” in signing Anthony, who “parted ways” with the Houston Rockets 10 games into the season. Anthony is still on the Rockets payroll at a league-minimum $2.4 million and can’t be traded until Dec. 15.

Flames were stoked Thursday when The Athletic reported James would be interested in Anthony going west to L.A., where James moved during the offseason.

Report: James wants Anthony in LA
James and Anthony are part of the “Banana Boat” crew with Dwyane Wade and Chris Paul. The 2003 draftees go on vacations together as well as make joint statements for social justice.

The Athletic published a report Thursday that according to sources James still believes Anthony can play and that he didn’t want to see the 34-year-old star’s career end on this latest sour note with Houston.

The Athletic reported that no request had been made by James to the Lakers front office, “nor would there be.”

The Lakers have “no interest” in acquiring Anthony, per a tweet by the Los Angeles Times’ Brad Turner early Friday afternoon.

According to Turner’s sources, James has not talked to the front office about signing his friend. Turner also revealed that Anthony’s representatives called the Lakers to gauge any interest.

Anthony and Paul have played together, as have Wade and James two separate times. They reached the Finals all four seasons they played together in Miami, winning two titles.

After James returned home to the Cleveland Cavaliers, he brought Wade there in September 2017. Wade was traded back to the Miami Heat five months later.

As for people wanting to “attach players to the Lakers now,” that’s what happens when you sign a GOAT. As we saw with Wade and James in Cleveland.

Where ever a star player goes in this modern NBA, goes rumors about whom else will join him to create a superteam. Plenty of players would want to play with James, even if Kevin Durant thinks that’s more a product of “fanboys in the media.”

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69. "Carmelo Anthony is the last great American ball hog (SWIPE)..."
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I hate that my guy gotta go out this way.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25459090/carmelo-anthony-last-great-american-ball-hog

Thursday, December 6, 2018
Carmelo Anthony is the last great American ball hog
By Kirk Goldsberry
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Last Monday in Chicago, San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich arrived at his pregame interview in the gloomy concourse of the United Center, the house that Michael Jordan built. So many of the league's iconic highlights played out here in the 1990s, and those images seemed to be on Pop's mind.

In response to a ho-hum question about the state of the Spurs, Pop took the chance to lament the aesthetic of the NBA in 2018.

"There's no basketball anymore, there's no beauty in it," he said.

It was a startling statement from the best coach of the era, whose own championship team from just five seasons ago played arguably the most beautiful version of the sport we've ever seen.

Pop honed in: "Now you look at a stat sheet after a game and the first thing you look at is the 3s. If you made 3s and the other team didn't, you win. You don't even look at the rebounds or the turnovers or how much transition D was involved. You don't even care.

"These days there's such an emphasis on the 3 because it's proven to be analytically correct."

That's the perfect choice of words -- "analytically correct" -- to connote the invisible algorithmic hand that now guides virtually all the action we see in NBA arenas. Front offices assign every part of the game bond ratings and credit scores. Financial terms such as efficiency, asset and value have infiltrated the discussion. Offensive tactics are homogenizing, while many tried-and-true forms of scoring fall by the wayside.

A prime example of what has been left behind: Carmelo Anthony, who is only by technicality still a member of the Houston Rockets.

The 2003 class
In June 2003, a group of amateurs including LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and Melo became professionals. Few draft classes can match such superstar clout, and over the past 15 seasons, those dudes have come to define the post-Jordan NBA.

That same month, Michael Lewis published "Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game." Lewis, a former bond salesman on Wall Street, wove a dazzling narrative with a clear takeaway: The integration of financial reasoning, data and computation was bound to reshape pro sports forever. He was right.

At the time, the NBA was in an awkward spot. Every promising young player, from Vince Carter to Kobe Bryant, was labeled the next MJ.

Jordan rewired how we understand basketball greatness as he dominated in new and breathtaking ways. MJ's most iconic moments featured him beating a defender off the bounce. He taught a generation that the path to the highest levels of hoops glory began with a dribble and culminated with heroic, unassisted buckets.

Jordan elevated pro hoops to new heights, but he did so via a virtuosic, isolationist aesthetic that tempted potential superstars into some bad habits. His approach was designed to overcome handsy defenses back when contact was the cornerstone of perimeter stifling. As with any iconic performer, his greatness was singular and suited to his own time.

The stars of the 2003 draft class got to meditate on MJ's hero ball for years. But as the game changed, so did the league's top young superstars -- embracing ball movement, 3-point shooting and defensive versatility. Well, most of them.

It was clear from the jump that Anthony was special. I'll always remember watching Melo's 2003 Syracuse team upset Oklahoma in the regional final of the NCAA tournament. Carmelo was killing it, effortlessly blending speed, size, power, finesse and athleticism while putting up 20 points and 10 boards in beautiful ways I'd never seen integrated so well in college hoops. Fadeaways, post moves, dunks, putbacks and 3-pointers -- the kid had it all, and he was using it to drive his team to the Final Four.

While many top prospects play with a raw, frenetic energy, Carmelo was cool. His poise stood out within the hectic, hyperactive setting of college basketball. Even in the national championship game versus Kansas, there was a knowing smoothness to his game. Rewatching that matchup, you're struck by Melo's easy smile as he puts up numbers in the biggest game of his life. It seems as if he's playing a pickup game in front of 54,000 people at the Superdome.

Anthony was bound for glory. LeBron was going to be the first pick, but Anthony was a sure thing. His predraft analysis was glowing.

One particular scouting report from 2003 captured the essence of Anthony's game in a nutshell: " fluid player who shows great athleticism despite not having overly explosive leaping ability ... innate feel for the game that most players have to develop."

Simply put, Anthony looked like the most-skilled big man in a generational draft class, and he'd just shown his championship credentials on college basketball's biggest stage. The scouts had difficulty homing in on any major weaknesses, but there were a few minor concerns at the time, such as in this assessment:

"He needs to improve on his perimeter defense such as lateral quickness and footwork. ... Anthony at times can be such a dominant scorer that he can freeze teammates out of a game."

This would metastasize over time. As the NBA slowly walked away from hero ball, Anthony's shortcomings eventually snowballed into dealbreakers.

Melo in limbo
It's unclear where Melo will get another chance to play NBA basketball, which seems crazy for a healthy 10-time All-Star who is just 34.

The problem: Anthony embraces an analytically incorrect style. He never updated his system. Like a kid playing Sega Genesis in the time of Red Dead Redemption, his game is woefully out of date. This fact became abundantly clear in the first round of the 2018 Western Conference playoffs between the Oklahoma City Thunder and Utah Jazz.

Look at the second half of Game 5. Anthony and the Thunder were down 3-1 in the series, trying to save their season. After Jae Crowder hit a 3 in Anthony's face early in the third quarter, the Thunder found themselves down 25. Russell Westbrook drained two quick 3s and cut the lead. The Jazz called timeout, and Billy Donovan subbed out Anthony for Jerami Grant. Seven minutes later, Melo was still on the bench, and the Thunder had roared back, tying the score to start the fourth.

ESPN's Royce Young described the scene on the bench: " was seen begging assistant Mo Cheeks to come back in, and finally got his wish with 7:58 left in the fourth."

But after the Jazz targeted Anthony on a pick-and-roll that ended with Donovan Mitchell torching Anthony on a basic switch, Donovan had no choice. He again pulled Anthony in favor of Grant, who played crunch time for the Thunder as they held on to win by eight.

That Mitchell layup embodies a key weakness in Anthony's portfolio. When he entered the league, hand-checking and physicality could've kept players like Mitchell at bay. But those days are gone, and now bigs are not only forbidden from camping out under the basket, they are also expected to keep up stride for stride with guards.

If brutal sequences like that suggested the Thunder might be better off without Anthony, this on/off data from the Jazz series proved it:

• In 194 minutes with Anthony on the court, the Jazz outscored the Thunder by 58 points and the Thunder had a net rating of minus-12.6.

• In the 94 minutes with Anthony on the bench, the Thunder outscored the Jazz by 32 points and had a net rating of plus-18.1.

Those splits paint a drastic picture. But here's a more drastic fact: After dumping Melo in an offseason transaction, the 2018-19 Thunder suddenly have the most efficient defense in the NBA.

Advanced stats have never been kind to Melo on D, but what about on offense? After all, he was one of the most gifted young scorers of his era. Welp, those stats are also unkind.

For individual scorers, perhaps no statistic is as revealing as true shooting percentage (TS%), which measures a player's overall efficiency while taking into account the added value of 3-pointers as well as free throws. Even in his best years, Melo excelled at beautiful and difficult shot types that are now largely frowned upon. He was good from dumb spots. He was great at the wrong thing at the wrong time.

Anthony's career TS% is 54.2, below the current NBA average of 55.7. His best season through this lens was 2007-08, when he logged a healthy 56.8 mark. However, even that number is paltry compared to that of other superstars and fellow members of his vaunted draft cohort.

True shooting percentages
Player Career TS% Peak TS%
Stephen Curry 62.3 67.5
Kevin Durant 61.2 65.1
James Harden 60.8 66.0
LeBron James 58.7 64.9
Chris Bosh 57.1 59.7
Dwyane Wade 55.6 58.8
Tim Duncan 55.1 57.9
Kobe Bryant 55.0 58.0
Carmelo Anthony 54.2 56.8
Anthony was never able to combine volume and efficiency as well as the other top scorers of his era. But a closer look here reveals that the league's best young scorers are putting up much higher TS% than the older guys ever did. The MVPs of this decade are all more efficient, thanks in large part to adopting analytically correct shot diets that emphasize 3-point shooting while limiting the midrange.

Here's the thing about the best shooting-efficiency metrics in a sport that awards 50 percent more points for 24-footers than 21-footers: They are just as much a reflection of where a player shoots as they are how good a shooter he is.

It wouldn't matter if Carmelo Anthony and Kobe Bryant were more gifted shooters than James Harden. Harden's stats look better because he avoids the midrange as much he as avoids shaving cream.

Scoring champions
Player FG% Midrange share (%)* 3P share (%) TS%
Kobe Bryant (05-06) 45.0 47.9 23.8 55.9
Carmelo Anthony (12-13) 44.9 38.6 27.8 56.0
James Harden (17-18) 44.9 11.0 47.9 61.9
*From 10 feet to 3-point line, via Basketball-Reference

Harden's analytically correct shot diet is the key to his game. Anthony made 44.9 percent of his shots in 2012-13. Harden made the exact same amount in 2017-18, but his TS% dwarfs Melo's because Harden took more 3s and free throws than any other player in the league.

Zero-sum superstardom
Three-point shooting is just a symptom, and analytics are agnostic. The style of play we're watching right now -- and the style that is incompatible with Carmelo -- can also be attributed to a handful of legislative decisions that intentionally reformed the game. If Melo is a dinosaur, then the rule changes of 2004 just might be the meteor.

The champion 2003-04 Detroit Pistons blended hand-checking on the perimeter and clogging up the paint as key means to stifle Kobe Bryant's offense in the NBA Finals. They muddied up the game and held the vaunted Lakers to fewer than 90 points in each of their four victories. For some, it was a brilliant defensive triumph, but for others it was ugly. And ugly wasn't good for a league desperate to pull itself out of its post-Jordan malaise.

Following the 2004 Finals, the NBA decided to change some things, as recapped here: "New rules were introduced to curtail hand-checking, clarify blocking fouls and call defensive three seconds to open up the game."

Those changes jolted the entire value system of the NBA at the beginning of Melo's career, elevating guards and wings while demoting big men. Suddenly there were new kinds of superstars. Steve Nash, a brilliant yet relatively slight playmaker, emerged to win the league's next two MVP awards as he ran the league's fastest and most open offense.

But superstardom is a zero-sum game. As guards ran wild, lateral quickness and switchability started to become more important for larger defenders. It didn't happen overnight, but size and strength gradually became less important for bigs as speed, spacing and versatility became paramount.

Consider this: In the 10 years before the 2004 rule changes, the NBA handed out its MVP trophy to bigs seven times. In the 14 years since, it has happened only once. Bigs are more replaceable than ever, and so is interior play.

"The inside game is kaputski." Popovich said last week. "You've got to have downhill players. You've got to have people that can penetrate and kick. You've got to have people who can switch. You've got to have big guys who can play little guys."

As an analyst, I've been among the foot soldiers in the Moneyball brigade. But as a fan watching while the league chases the efficiency dragon further down the trail, it's worth asking: What are we sacrificing in the process?

If present trends continue, we will never see gorgeous midrange monsters like Kobe, Melo, Dirk or Jordan again. That's some of the beauty we will lose, but we will see a lot more Hardens in part because the league is well aware of the stats encoded here:

Like MJ and Kobe, Carmelo Anthony loves to shoot from those blue areas. Unfortunately for him, in a league obsessed with analytical correctness, nobody finds that valuable anymore. That beauty is old-school now.

--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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DJR
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70. "Pop/Melo/Beauty in the game>>>>>Run around real fast and chuck 3’s"
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Rockets got smoked by the Wolves and Jazz this week. Paul is back.

They need to find a new scapegoat in a hurry. These guys can’t keep talking about Melo forever when there’s no new material.

  

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71. "And pretty soon, they'll rue the day they gave an aged CP3 $160m..."
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72. ":-)"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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75. "Yeah, probably....because he’ll get old and probably keep getting hurt"
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But he can’t be the scapegoat. It’s GOT to be the fault of someone making a minimum salary that comes off the bench. Precedent.

  

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