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"The Butler did it."


  

          

I don't really care about this news to be honest, but I'm bored at work and came up with that post title, so there's that.

link: https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/timberwolves-jimmy-butler-requests-trade/

swipe: Timberwolves' Jimmy Butler: Requests trade
by RotoWire Staff 5m ago • 1 min read UPDATE 5m ago


Butler has requested a trade from the Timberwolves, Jon Krawczynski of The Athletic reports.

Butler has reportedly given Minnesota a list of 1-3 teams that he's open to signing a contract extension with, which could give the Timberwolves a bigger return. Butler is coming off his fourth straight All-Star selection, and he averaged 22.2 points, 5.3 rebounds, 4.9 assists and 2.0 steals in 2017-18. Wherever he ends up, he'll likely continue to be a top fantasy asset.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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From my initial post:
Sep 19th 2018
1
What if Thibs manages to actually swing a good trade for Butler?
Sep 19th 2018
2
      He's been a bad president of basketball operations
Sep 19th 2018
14
           You are literally closer to Minnesota than I am
Sep 19th 2018
26
                Lot of rumors that he was going to be out had they not won that game
Sep 19th 2018
27
Nick Wiggins on Twitter..ha ha.
Sep 19th 2018
3
Ricky Rubio has an opinion as well
Sep 19th 2018
28
Thibs is trash.
Sep 19th 2018
4
knew his days there were numbered
Sep 19th 2018
5
What makes you say that?
Sep 19th 2018
7
      nothing to do with Thibs. I meant as far as Jimmy and his...
Sep 19th 2018
11
Woj: The 3 teams...Nets. Knicks. Clippers.
Sep 19th 2018
6
lmao, so we're done hearing about his insane desire to win, right?
Sep 19th 2018
8
If we're keeping it true, he's not winning in any of those places
Sep 19th 2018
15
No Chris Paul, no Blake Griffin, and no D'Andre Jordan
Sep 19th 2018
20
clippers have 2 max slots available...
Sep 20th 2018
67
so "desire" now = going to a team that is already winning?
Sep 20th 2018
74
While I don't want Butler on the Knicks
Sep 19th 2018
10
he can go new york, los angeles, still not a superstar
Sep 19th 2018
13
Mudiay, Tim hardaway Jr, 2nd rounder.
Sep 19th 2018
16
RE: Mudiay, Tim hardaway Jr, 2nd rounder.
Sep 19th 2018
18
Send him to the Big Apple for a fresh bag of dildos
Sep 19th 2018
17
Kyrie to the Knicks confirmed
Sep 19th 2018
19
yep. if not there, Brooklyn. the new Miami-type Super Team will be in NY
Sep 21st 2018
112
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO nigga please.
Sep 19th 2018
21
Location, money, and not being overshadowed
Sep 19th 2018
25
mj popcorn gif waiting for RBO
Sep 19th 2018
9
I think RBO has more animus towards Thibs that Butler
Sep 19th 2018
12
      Wrong. I hate both of those motherfuckers.
Sep 19th 2018
23
           My apologies.
Sep 19th 2018
29
                No. I like Wiggins. Overpaid? Yes. But he needs...
Sep 19th 2018
34
he hasn't done enough - r. glasper
Sep 19th 2018
22
^^underrated reply^^
Sep 20th 2018
64
lol
Oct 01st 2018
177
dude is one of the bigger look at me guys in the league
Sep 19th 2018
24
Bruh... I didn’t even fuck with the Bulls like that...
Sep 19th 2018
33
I'm in this camp
Sep 19th 2018
41
There is no way to square "being a winner" and
Sep 19th 2018
43
That Peak NBA article on The Ringer was so illuminating
Sep 19th 2018
30
Local radio saying that KAT specifically dictated that he wants Butler g...
Sep 19th 2018
31
He shitted on everybody including KAT & Wiggins.
Sep 19th 2018
32
Jimmy is an asshole and KAT doesn’t care about winning
Sep 19th 2018
35
Nope, sounds like Jimmy fucked his girl
Sep 19th 2018
37
      yeah, twitter did a full detailed account
Sep 20th 2018
83
Jimbo tired of that soft shit.
Sep 20th 2018
49
that Bulls trade looking more and more like a steal
Sep 19th 2018
36
I'm angrier at the fact that Justin Patton might never fucking play
Sep 19th 2018
38
Take this for what it's worth but
Sep 19th 2018
39
Jimmy's starting to look a lot like D12 :(
Sep 19th 2018
40
Nothing like D12
Sep 19th 2018
44
Dwight absolutely threw teammates (and coaches) under the bus
Sep 19th 2018
48
#StayJ23Stay
Sep 20th 2018
58
So we all accept now that Klay>>>> right?
Sep 19th 2018
42
I forgot that was ever a thing lol
Sep 19th 2018
45
All credit to Basaglia for creating that agenda.
Sep 20th 2018
54
lol absolutely not
Sep 19th 2018
46
hell yes
Sep 19th 2018
47
Nice try
Sep 20th 2018
50
Klay will end up with his jersey in the rafters and possibly a statue...
Sep 20th 2018
81
...and none of those things make him a better player...
Sep 20th 2018
51
      counterpoint: if the eagles repeat, i'm gonna act so stupid.
Sep 20th 2018
52
           To the winner go the spoils
Sep 20th 2018
53
                yeah, i've never had two in a short period
Sep 20th 2018
55
I see this morning that Steven Jackson
Sep 20th 2018
56
I assumed people were bored and waiting for some NBA drama to pop off
Sep 20th 2018
57
nope...he's just a former player that's outspoken on stuff
Sep 20th 2018
59
on Steven Jackson
Sep 20th 2018
65
      Lmao right these old Avirex jacket having niggaz that can’t let go
Sep 20th 2018
84
      When Steven Jackson shows up on that Disney/ESPN set
Sep 21st 2018
98
somebody needs tell Wiggy he don't want this...
Sep 20th 2018
60
At this point, the only person I want SJax to feud with is
Sep 20th 2018
61
man, he doesn't care. he got the bag.
Sep 20th 2018
62
breh, it's not just the internet with SJax...
Sep 20th 2018
63
40 year olds in doo rags STARTING internet beef w 23y/o kids
Sep 20th 2018
66
where is the admiration?
Sep 20th 2018
69
in the framing
Sep 20th 2018
75
23y/o kids <- LOL
Sep 20th 2018
70
when you're 40+
Sep 20th 2018
72
Ain't Doo rags used to style hair?
Sep 21st 2018
104
Not to mention Jackson was a better NBA player than Wiggins has been.
Sep 20th 2018
68
lol @ i'm on tv more than your brother
Sep 20th 2018
76
Don’t Jax have some prep work or some shit to do before the season?
Sep 20th 2018
79
The lack of b-ball knowledge is just stupid
Sep 20th 2018
88
Port Arthur vs.... Canada lol
Sep 21st 2018
99
Andrew doubling down on his bro's idiocy. Ouch.
Sep 21st 2018
103
Thibs would rather leave than rebuild without Jimmy
Sep 20th 2018
71
That's pretty bizarre if true.
Sep 20th 2018
73
KAT & Wiggins ain't winning nothing no time soon, we all saw how...
Sep 20th 2018
77
nobody wanna talk about that tho.
Sep 20th 2018
85
      Oh word... that had nothing to do with Thibs...
Sep 20th 2018
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           it had to do with "jimmy butler is really good"
Sep 20th 2018
87
                yikes
Sep 20th 2018
89
                Oh U in this too or are you back to wishing Reggie becomes an All Star?
Sep 21st 2018
91
                     ah yes, the injury party
Sep 21st 2018
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                          Injury Party? You still pretending Reggie is bad cuz he got injured?
Sep 21st 2018
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                               well those are some alternative facts
Sep 21st 2018
127
                                    You mean Reggie led his team to the playoffs & got swept...
Sep 21st 2018
135
                Lmao... Wall. More winning than Jimmy. AD has won as much as Jimmy.
Sep 21st 2018
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                lolz. ain't none of them dudes won nothing, bruh.
Sep 21st 2018
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                not to mention...
Sep 21st 2018
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                didn't the wiz win without wall too?
Sep 21st 2018
97
                also accurate
Sep 21st 2018
100
                     shit is hilarious.
Sep 21st 2018
106
                Yet the team beat the best team in the league when he got injured
Sep 21st 2018
120
                Jimmy has done as much as who?
Sep 21st 2018
118
                     sound like cuz.
Sep 21st 2018
119
                          Ok. Don’t sound like KAT, AD, or Wall though.
Sep 21st 2018
121
                               dogg, you sound crazy.
Sep 21st 2018
130
                                    If Jimmy went to UK he wouldn't be a shit teammate & a big bitch.
Sep 21st 2018
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                                         RE: a shit teammate & a big bitch. <-- sound like cuz
Sep 21st 2018
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                LMAO please tell me more about Reggie Jackson tho
Sep 21st 2018
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                He’s trash. He’s not an All Star. Nobody wants him.
Sep 21st 2018
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                     hes also started some playoff games. and Boogie?
Sep 21st 2018
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                          He also got swept and nobody wants him.
Sep 21st 2018
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                               a sweep is an appearance. a non-appearance is, by nature, not.
Sep 22nd 2018
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                RE: Lmao... Wall. More winning than Jimmy.
Sep 21st 2018
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                     LMAO.... You want credit for 4th option playoff appearances!
Sep 21st 2018
138
                          where's the "more winning" tho?
Sep 21st 2018
139
                               I already told you. Wall has led his team just as far as Jimmy
Sep 23rd 2018
147
                my goodness. in practice this sentence could shut down 95% of RBO's post...
Sep 21st 2018
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                That's the new default response to RBO
Sep 21st 2018
110
                Pretty wild how this thread turned out
Sep 21st 2018
129
                     Any NBA thread on OKS has the potential to go POAST
Sep 21st 2018
132
                and booker
Sep 21st 2018
115
                Everyone should try it. Cuz I’m sitting on a stack of facts.
Sep 21st 2018
122
                *running from lockerroom to the ring at top speed*
Sep 21st 2018
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                LMAO
Sep 21st 2018
105
                https://imgur.com/gallery/BDHqOQ1
Sep 21st 2018
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                That big boss man pace
Sep 21st 2018
111
                You sure about that? Cuz I spray Great Muta mist in everybody’s face
Sep 21st 2018
124
                LOL...great visual
Sep 21st 2018
126
                https://tenor.com/view/ultimate-warrior-ultimatewarrior-running-pumped-g...
Sep 22nd 2018
143
                *Costanza eating popcorn listening to his answering machine gif*
Sep 21st 2018
108
                like a strong cup of cold brew first thing in the morning
Sep 21st 2018
109
                *gets out fire extinguisher*
Sep 23rd 2018
148
He's not going to be here this time next year anyway
Sep 20th 2018
78
Thibs should just leave. period.
Sep 20th 2018
80
      RE: Thibs should just leave. period.
Sep 22nd 2018
142
Smh, complete shitshow
Sep 20th 2018
82
I would gladly welcome Kevin McHale back in any role he wants
Sep 21st 2018
102
amazing post title / body of post combo
Sep 21st 2018
113
      Unless he's trying to force Glen Taylor to fire him, I've got no
Sep 21st 2018
116
lauri markkanen, troll god.
Sep 21st 2018
114
ZLowe out here trying to make sense and throw out some deals (SWIPE)
Sep 21st 2018
125
I'm sure it's been said before
Sep 21st 2018
133
That DAL lineup looks too good, they have to make that happen
Sep 23rd 2018
146
Long Athletic swipe on how we got here
Sep 21st 2018
131
Wolves say they ain't trading Jimmy...Glen Taylor says...
Sep 22nd 2018
141
KAT got paid
Sep 22nd 2018
145
Marc Stein reporting that Miami is now Butler's preferred team
Sep 26th 2018
149
In my mind, I have already mapped out the Dion Waiters Wolves era
Sep 26th 2018
150
i know you've seen the fat dion pictures floating around
Sep 26th 2018
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      LOL, that was him?
Sep 26th 2018
153
      You still welcome that trade?
Sep 26th 2018
154
           I don't see who can offer a better potential package than Miami
Sep 26th 2018
155
      LOL..yeah, I saw that last night...
Sep 26th 2018
156
damn...Guillermo (from Dan LeBatard Show) called it the other day
Sep 26th 2018
151
BAM KAT... BAM KAT... BAM KAT... I like that.
Sep 26th 2018
157
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1045303195029917697
Sep 27th 2018
158
Ha ha.
Sep 27th 2018
159
ain't that something? (c)Pete Rock
Sep 27th 2018
160
Thibs is saying fuck it, fire (and pay) me now
Sep 27th 2018
161
https://youtu.be/E8aoHCCW35A
Sep 27th 2018
162
LOL&FOH@Ben Simmons being the ask
Sep 28th 2018
163
      I know, if there's one thing the Wolves do NOT need
Sep 28th 2018
164
           your wolves feistiness is charming
Sep 28th 2018
165
           Thanks!
Sep 28th 2018
166
           Yeah Wolves don’t need the 1 Point Koala pounding the rock to dust
Sep 28th 2018
167
           What if Wiggins was Australian and had even less range?
Sep 28th 2018
170
           We're holding out for a bag of dildos (c) Minny
Sep 28th 2018
168
                Thibs already has no leverage, dude
Sep 28th 2018
169
seeing onTwitter that Butler to Houston is gaining real traction...
Sep 28th 2018
171
LOL MOREY HATERS LOL
Sep 28th 2018
172
lulz...yep. if he pulls this off, mofos gonna be beside themselves
Sep 29th 2018
173
      best exec in the league, bar none.
Sep 29th 2018
175
           really?!
Oct 03rd 2018
187
Gordon and Tucker should be a done deal...
Sep 29th 2018
174
yahoo will miss dan devine.
Oct 01st 2018
176
Local ESPN radio affiliate has news on some potential deals
Oct 03rd 2018
178
How likely would Houston or Milwaukee
Oct 03rd 2018
179
Jimmy is from Texas so he might actually stick in Houston
Oct 03rd 2018
182
      Uh huh. Mr. I Work 1,000 % Harder Than Everyone Else
Oct 03rd 2018
183
           pretty sure they're friends.
Oct 03rd 2018
184
                Uh huh... I need footage of Jimmy’s face when Melo underbet his books.
Oct 03rd 2018
185
                "fuck you mean '4 and a possible'???"
Oct 03rd 2018
190
                     bitch nigga you lettin Jacks walk????
Oct 03rd 2018
191
                What about Butler and Chris Paul?
Oct 03rd 2018
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                That too. When CPPlea hurts his hammy & Jimmy says...
Oct 03rd 2018
189
                until lala posts on IG
Oct 03rd 2018
188
                     Nice lol
Oct 04th 2018
196
Those trades are poo
Oct 03rd 2018
180
Brogdon at least offers a good young player on a cheap contract
Oct 03rd 2018
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      Ehhh Brogdon is gonna be 26 in Dec
Oct 03rd 2018
193
Phx wants Teague so they might get involved
Oct 03rd 2018
181
Heat: stop fuckin around, Tom
Oct 04th 2018
194
If the Heat aren't willing to include Richardson, they can fuck off
Oct 04th 2018
195
No new trade news, but the Rockets are gonna get fined for tampering
Oct 09th 2018
197
https://twitter.com/FusaroESPN/status/1050026678926397441
Oct 10th 2018
198
That seems like a weird sticking point for Houston
Oct 10th 2018
199
      he'd be a huge rotational loss tho
Oct 10th 2018
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           Yup, he means more than you'd think
Oct 10th 2018
207
At this point are we sure he even rocks with Thibs?
Oct 10th 2018
200
He's back at practice and extra shouty
Oct 10th 2018
202
      they cant win w/o him. he washed em w/ the THIRD STRING
Oct 10th 2018
203
      Just going from Twitter, this practice has eclipsed the first Fab Five o...
Oct 10th 2018
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      They can definitely win without him. He needs to be gone.
Oct 10th 2018
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      RE: They can definitely win without him. He needs to be gone.
Oct 10th 2018
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           3rd when he got hurt. trash before him, and w him in civvies.
Oct 10th 2018
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                100
Oct 10th 2018
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      lolz.
Oct 10th 2018
211
      Goddamn! I'm neutral on Jimmy but that is some baller shit.
Oct 10th 2018
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      laughing out loud imagining this scene
Oct 10th 2018
205
      Wolves got to trade him now before Spo/Pringles get nervous
Oct 10th 2018
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           If Thibs can't reign him in at this point, which coach can?
Oct 10th 2018
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           i think the issue is the young Wolves players
Oct 10th 2018
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           ^^^
Oct 10th 2018
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           They should take a lesson from the guy who demanded a trade to the Nets
Oct 10th 2018
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           Yes, the Wolves should take lessons from perennial winner Jimmy Butler
Oct 10th 2018
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                they blew a 3 seed without him
Oct 10th 2018
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                     They also almost got swept with him.
Oct 10th 2018
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           RE: If Thibs can't reign him in at this point, which coach can?
Oct 10th 2018
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           He talked his way off the Bulls and now here.
Oct 10th 2018
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                RE: He talked his way off the Bulls and now here.
Oct 10th 2018
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                     No. He acted like a dickhead during his last year on the Bulls.
Oct 10th 2018
236
                          I don't know if you noticed this RBO, but Rondo went to Kentucky. n/m
Oct 10th 2018
237
                               Rondo, model team mate, since spring 2018.
Oct 10th 2018
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                                    Rondo... winning & great teammate since.... forever
Oct 10th 2018
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                                         Rondo kinda works in favor of the Jimmy Butler argument
Oct 11th 2018
260
                                              Who gets fed up with Rondo first?
Oct 11th 2018
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           why are we still assuming Thibs is some kinda Butler-whisperer?
Oct 10th 2018
229
           If Spo can handle Whiteside's crazy ass, he can handle Butler.
Oct 10th 2018
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      YES!! I want him to go FULL Randy Orton, lol
Oct 10th 2018
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      this is funny
Oct 10th 2018
220
      Jimmy speaks on it with Rachel Nichols...
Oct 10th 2018
222
Someone had to be recording this practice, right?
Oct 10th 2018
216
Just watched the ESPN interview. Hollywood as hell but he has a point
Oct 10th 2018
224
Jimmy's agent played this brilliantly
Oct 10th 2018
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YUP.
Oct 10th 2018
231
I wouldn’t disagree that the squad needs to toughen up.
Oct 10th 2018
230
the leader should stay aloof, distant, and play Fortnite
Oct 10th 2018
232
Aloof or distant, you’re on the Timberwolves now?
Oct 10th 2018
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RE: I wouldn’t disagree that the squad needs to toughen up.
Oct 10th 2018
233
      He’s neither Jordan or Gary Payton or Jordan Payton or Michael Gary
Oct 10th 2018
234
He's completely right.
Oct 10th 2018
238
Seems like everyone is happy about this aside from KAT and Wiggs.
Oct 10th 2018
240
      The source is SVG fam?
Oct 10th 2018
242
I watched a snippet of the interview on Youtube
Oct 11th 2018
266
I'm sorry: This is an AMAZING story. You guys are simps & wimps.
Oct 10th 2018
241
This is how I feel. He walked headfirst into the fire with gasoline
Oct 10th 2018
244
yeah he kept it 10000% real
Oct 10th 2018
245
      And then gave an interview about practice to Rachel Nichols who...
Oct 10th 2018
247
           Rachel admitted she was called...
Oct 10th 2018
249
           Not much else needs to be said.
Oct 10th 2018
254
"You guys" - like 2 people.
Oct 10th 2018
250
Let me cook
Oct 11th 2018
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my only complaint about Jimmy
Oct 11th 2018
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it's why I can't get mad at dude
Oct 11th 2018
259
thing is, he isn't good enough to act like this
Oct 11th 2018
261
2nd team All NBA in an era with all-time great SGs is pretty great.
Oct 11th 2018
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      nah. He’s Melo/PG level in any area
Oct 11th 2018
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           Melo is a Hall of Famer. By definition, you can't shit on that.
Oct 12th 2018
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ALL of this:
Oct 11th 2018
262
      Literally, huh?
Oct 11th 2018
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           Yes
Oct 11th 2018
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I agree
Oct 11th 2018
263
This is why you should never be coach and GM
Oct 11th 2018
293
How about Ben Simmons starts shooting with his feet.
Oct 11th 2018
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      i understand (c) sir smoke a lot
Oct 12th 2018
306
it really is the most non fake thug/studio gangster shit i've seen
Oct 13th 2018
309
This is only the first practice.....
Oct 10th 2018
251
Smh, he’s not going to do this elsewhere
Oct 10th 2018
253
      If we being honest: Jimmy *is* Jordan-level intense
Oct 11th 2018
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           basically
Oct 11th 2018
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           Yeah, I don’t question his work ethic
Oct 11th 2018
281
                Did he really beat the starters or not?
Oct 11th 2018
292
We in here talking about practice?
Oct 10th 2018
252
How the hell Ima yell at my teammates better in PRACTICE?
Oct 11th 2018
270
If there is no other reason to see Jimmy get traded
Oct 11th 2018
258
Hey bro. If you’re still thinking a health Brandon Knight isn’t star...
Oct 11th 2018
273
What is this whole thing based on?
Oct 11th 2018
283
      This whole series
Oct 11th 2018
284
           He cost the Wolves the series?
Oct 11th 2018
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                He played like shit and got outplayed by capella
Oct 11th 2018
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Now I'm reading reports on twitter
Oct 11th 2018
265
At this point, I'd take J-Rich, Fat Dion and a second rounder
Oct 11th 2018
267
Timberwolves All-Star Jimmy Butler called a players-only meeting today, ...
Oct 11th 2018
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This team wins 30 games tops
Oct 11th 2018
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are all NBA stars sociopaths?
Oct 11th 2018
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sociopath?
Oct 11th 2018
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      These guys are 22....Jimmy wasn’t even in the league until he was 22
Oct 11th 2018
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           But he’s so passionate & really loves playing basketball.
Oct 11th 2018
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                so mad so sad
Oct 11th 2018
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And now Teague and John Lucas III saying there was no meeting
Oct 11th 2018
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      Darius Johnson-Odom didn't know about it either
Oct 11th 2018
288
      WTF, now Gourgi Dieng is yelling at reporters on Twitter?
Oct 11th 2018
295
      dont you dare try to fall into the pit that is the Phoenix Suns
Oct 11th 2018
298
      this guy is comedy
Oct 11th 2018
297
Y'all can buy this Masterpiece Theater shit if y'all want
Oct 11th 2018
277
Yeah, I mean good for him, but it's obvious what's going on
Oct 11th 2018
278
Thats what klay is doing to KD
Oct 11th 2018
290
Huh? Where is Klay saying that?
Oct 11th 2018
294
I don't understand what his angle is.
Oct 11th 2018
296
that already happened tho. he won and he deserved (and got) the credit
Oct 11th 2018
299
yeah idk how it gets more cut and dry than that.
Oct 12th 2018
308
His act is transparent
Oct 11th 2018
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lolz!
Oct 11th 2018
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ABOUT JIMMY BUTLER COMING INTO PRACTICE
Oct 11th 2018
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      He admitted the best players on the team are KAT and Wiggs
Oct 11th 2018
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According to Miami reporters, THIBS is the one who blew up
Oct 12th 2018
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Season opener tonight in San Antonio and he's still here!
Oct 17th 2018
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1. "From my initial post:"
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This shitshow of an organization. There's NO reason this shouldn't have been hashed out in July, but why do that when you can put everything off until the week before training camp opens? The only silver lining is this means Thibs is gone by (at latest) the end of the 2018-19 season. There is effectively no reason to keep him on board. And hopefully it means KAT's going to reup as well. Can we just make KAT player/GM and let him pack the team with all of HIS friends? When the Vikings are out of it come mid-October, I'm going to be really mad.

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Numba_33
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2. "What if Thibs manages to actually swing a good trade for Butler?"
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Would you be happier then? I'm guessing you don't like his coaching style and want him out of town ASAP regardless of what happens.

I almost feel bad making this post before you did since I'm certain you are much more invested with what goes down than I am.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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Marauder21
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14. "He's been a bad president of basketball operations"
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Outside of the initial trade for Butler last summer, he's been very hit or miss. The best thing you can say about the rest of the Timberbulls is at least they're not on long-term deals. He's alienated just about everyone else and it seems like his continuing presence is what's been most alienating to KAT signing an extension.

If he's alienating the guys that aren't "his" and the best of his guys wants out regardless, then what value is he really bringing to the organization?

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26. "You are literally closer to Minnesota than I am"
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and more importantly, you are a fan of the team while I'm not, so I'll take your word for it.

I do wonder how much capital he has with the front office given that they did make and win in the playoffs last year. Just so I'm clear, I think it was a huge mistake to give him that front office gig and I don't value him too highly as a coach.

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27. "Lot of rumors that he was going to be out had they not won that game"
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on the last day of the season to clinch a playoff spot. Him and the owner have been butting heads since last year and the team has been pretty divided.

But yes, he never should have been given front office power. The only coach who has ever been successful at that is Pop (and Pat Riley for a little bit, though even he had to stop coaching.)

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3. "Nick Wiggins on Twitter..ha ha."
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https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/1042475158995443713

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28. "Ricky Rubio has an opinion as well"
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https://twitter.com/rickyrubio9/status/1042480472855437312

No word on Chandler Parson's travel plans, though.

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4. "Thibs is trash."
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5. "knew his days there were numbered"
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7. "What makes you say that?"
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I thought the rumor was that Thibs was a loyalist to his former Bulls players and valued them over KAT and Wiggins.

Is that Fake News?

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11. "nothing to do with Thibs. I meant as far as Jimmy and his..."
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growing frustration with his teammates.

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6. "Woj: The 3 teams...Nets. Knicks. Clippers."
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1042479195371266050

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8. "lmao, so we're done hearing about his insane desire to win, right?"
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because idk what kind of winning he thinks he's doing in those two places.

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15. "If we're keeping it true, he's not winning in any of those places"
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The Clippers kept it interesting at the end of last season, but even with Butler, I don't think they'd be a lock for the play-offs. And if they did make the play-offs, they sure ain't vying for a high seed.

And I'm assuming the Clippers have space for one max spot next season? If so, I wouldn't be so sure they'd go after Butler instead of Leonard.

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20. "No Chris Paul, no Blake Griffin, and no D'Andre Jordan"
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so the Clippers should have plenty of cash for next year's free agency, right? Of the three teams, I'm guessing the Clippers would be the most likely to part with draft picks since the Knicks front office just said two or so days ago they wouldn't use picks for trades and I would hope the Nets front office would be very very leary of using picks since they got terrible return with those KG and Paul Pierce trades years ago.

Remarkable how fun the NBA free agency market is.

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67. "clippers have 2 max slots available..."
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..along with Beverly, Harris, & Williams.

the rebuild is well under way and landing Butler would certainly help their chances @ other elite free agents (ie" Kawhi).


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74. "so "desire" now = going to a team that is already winning?"
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(the inverse isnt true either btw)

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10. "While I don't want Butler on the Knicks"
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because I don't see him doing enough to help the Knicks get over the hump, the only positive to that rumor is that it's entirely possible Thibs will want Noah and the Knicks could actual get something back
for his Chernobyl-like toxic contract.

That would be cool.

And just to be clear to folks that will argue with me, I am well aware the Butler is a marked improvement over the current shooting guards on the Knicks; I just don't view him as a top level player that can result in winning results with him as the leader.

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13. "he can go new york, los angeles, still not a superstar"
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16. "Mudiay, Tim hardaway Jr, 2nd rounder."
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lego

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18. "RE: Mudiay, Tim hardaway Jr, 2nd rounder."
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>lego

link: https://www.yahoo.com/news/knicks-arent-going-trade-draft-picks-anymore-start-193952106.html

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The Knicks aren't going to trade their draft picks anymore, which is a start

Over the past 18 seasons, the New York Knicks have won a single solitary playoff series. It was a first-round victory over the Boston Celtics in 2013, coming off a 54-win regular season in which early injuries forced coach Mike Woodson to play small with Carmelo Anthony at power forward alongside a two-point-guard backcourt in an offensively potent ball-moving and 3-point-shooting attack. One round later, Woodson infamously zagged the other way during the conference semifinals against the Indiana Pacers because, well, “the East is big, man.” The move didn’t pan out; with the Knicks’ offense shackled and the bigger frontcourts unable to keep Indy off the glass and out of the paint, the Pacers eliminated New York in six games.

It feels instructive that the best Knicks season in two decades was, basically, an accident, and that once everyone went back to the intended plan, the party was over and the losing resumed. The consistent struggle to both craft a sensible plan for building and maintaining a competitive roster, and to stick with it throughout any growing pains that might arise, has been the lone constant throughout that 18-year span, during which the Knicks have employed 12 coaches and six lead basketball operations executives. (Well, there’s one other constant, but that might be a symptom/disease kind of situation.)

But after years of chasing would-be saviors at every turn, making penny-wise but pound-foolish moves that leveraged future assets and flexibility in search of better present-day fortunes, and stubbornly adhering to the ill-considered adage that You Can’t Rebuild In New York — y’know, the kind of stuff that might make a fan quit — the Knicks might finally be committing to walking a more measured path, and trying a bold new strategy: behaving like a normal NBA team.

Or, at least, that’s the way Knicks president Steve Mills, general manager Scott Perry and head coach David Fizdale made it sound during a town hall meeting with season-ticket holders on Monday night:

From Ian Begley of ESPN:

“What we’re not going to do is take shortcuts,” said Mills, who was general manager under Jackson. “We’re not going to trade our draft picks. … We’re going to build this team the right way. What we’re not going to do is trade away assets to get a that we can go get on our own later.”

It’s an approach that differs from what’s come before, and one that Mills understands browbeaten Knicks fans might not necessarily believe until they see it in action, from Marc Berman of the New York Post:

“You have a reason to be skeptical,” Mills said. “All we can do is by demonstrating what we do. We’re sticking with the plan. Since Scott’s been aboard, we’ve been true to what we said we’d do. I’m a New Yorker. I don’t want what happened in the past to happen again.”

Perry added, “You have two patient personalities up here too in Steve and I — not overreacting, staying the course.”

That tack might frustrate some fans who, after five straight sub-.500 and playoff-free seasons, just want to see the Knicks play in some games that matter, and don’t much care about what it costs the front office to make that happen sooner rather than later. But it certainly seems like a sober reading of the lay of the land for a franchise that has, over the past dozen years or so, watched a number of its first-round picks blossom into quality contributors for other teams.

The 2004 trade that brought Stephon Marbury back home sent a 2010 No. 1 to Phoenix, which was later redirected to Utah; that turned into Gordon Hayward. The 2005 deal that brought Eddy Curry to New York sent 2006 and 2007 first-rounders to Chicago; they turned into LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah.

The 2011 three-team mega-swap that landed Anthony — and busted up the guts of a pretty fun little nucleus that then-personnel chief Donnie Walsh had been building to play in Mike D’Antoni’s offense — saw the Knicks send out a 2014 first-rounder and the right to swap 2016 picks; they turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray. And the 2013 trade that, for reasons that remain nearly impossible to fathom, brought Andrea Bargnani to Broadway included a 2016 first-rounder; that turned into Jakob Poeltl.

Draft picks are slippery things, of course, and there’s no guarantee that the Knicks’ various front offices at the times of those selections would have made the same picks, or that the players chosen would’ve developed as well in New York as they did in the specific circumstances in which they actually wound up landing. The issue, though, is that those picks present possibilities — the chance to land special talents on cost-controlled deals, and to accumulate enough gifted youth to create the core of a team that can grow together and consistently compete for a handful of years.

You still have to make the right picks, and do the hard work of helping the prospects you choose reach or exceed their expected potential. Generally speaking, though, keeping your draft capital (and, ideally, seeking more) and using it to load your roster with inexpensive players with high ceilings seems like a smart starting point for a team closer to the beginning of a rebuilding project than the end of one … which the Knicks, despite a dismal half-decade, very much are. Mills, Perry and Fizdale appear to be aware of this, and seem comfortable with allowing their growing collection of young players — rising (in more ways than one) sophomore guard Frank Ntilikina, 2018 draftees Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson, comparative graybeard swingman Tim Hardaway Jr., and “second draft” reclamation projects like Trey Burke, Mario Hezonja, Emmanuel Mudiay and Noah Vonleh — to take their lumps and learn on the job under Fizdale’s watchful eye, and to dip back into the lottery next summer and keep the process moving along.

That patience also appears to extend to the organization’s approach to the rehabilitation of star forward Kristaps Porzingis, who suffered a torn left ACL in February. Rumored return dates for the 7-foot-3 Latvian have varied, but a Knicks team more likely playing for pingpong balls than postseason positioning this season seems set to err on the side of caution, according to Steve Popper of Newsday:

“Our goal is not to do anything that jeopardizes K.P.’s future as being one of the foundational pieces of this team,” Mills said. “He’s back. we’ll have some medical evaluations of him this week and we’ll start to develop what the right plan is for him to come back. We’re not going to do anything that jeopardizes the future of this franchise and we’re going to be consistent and stay true to that.”

So: Porzingis will get all the time he needs, the kids will get their chance to learn by doing (and failing), and the front office will under no circumstances re-enact the ‘Melo deal to try to land an All-Star that they might be able to get in free agency in a year’s time … even if one might, y’know, hypothetically, be available pretty soon.

“Our main focus is the ’18-’19 season,” Perry told fans at the town meeting. “As much as we talked about having cap space, in all honesty, we are trying not to get too far ahead of ourselves. This team requires our undivided attention. I understand fans drifting to the future. Once it gets to ’19, we can have that conversation.”

That’s the thing about trying to build something. If you screw up a step at the beginning, you’re going to pay for it down the line.

“If our culture isn’t right, the free agent market doesn’t matter,” Fizdale said.

And if the supporting talent and financial flexibility aren’t right, the story’s the same. So the Knicks plan to keep their powder dry, hold onto their picks, develop their young guys, get their centerpiece healthy and see where things stand come the summer. That’s likely going to mean another season full of losses. Maybe this time, though, there really will be some sunshine on the other side of the storm.

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Dan Devine is a writer and editor for Yahoo Sports. Have a tip? Email him at devine@yahoosports.com or follow him on Twitter!

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17. "Send him to the Big Apple for a fresh bag of dildos "
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Maybe get RHJ if it's the Nets or one of the Knicks dumb PG's and see if you can get a super protected draft pick out of it and be done.

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19. "Kyrie to the Knicks confirmed"
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112. "yep. if not there, Brooklyn. the new Miami-type Super Team will be in NY"
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21. "LMAOOOOOOOOOOO nigga please."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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25. "Location, money, and not being overshadowed"
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Ego like a mfer. Now all those Bulls stories make sense

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9. "mj popcorn gif waiting for RBO"
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12. "I think RBO has more animus towards Thibs that Butler"
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so I don't think this rumor floats his boat to that high a level.

I could be wrong though.

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23. "Wrong. I hate both of those motherfuckers."
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Butler for being a total dickhead and a horrible leader wherever he goes while at the same time being so pressed to be considered a superstar.

And Thibs for being a horrible coach and bringing Butler and his host of loser Bulls to the Wolves.

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29. "My apologies."
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You calling Thibs a 1950's butcher stuck out in my head so much, I thought all your hatred was strictly focused on him.

Out of curiosity, do you dislike Wiggins as much as Bags does?

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34. "No. I like Wiggins. Overpaid? Yes. But he needs..."
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guys behind him to thrive.

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22. "he hasn't done enough - r. glasper"
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to act like that

  

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64. "^^underrated reply^^"
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24. "dude is one of the bigger look at me guys in the league"
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and one of the cornier ones too.

not surprised about his teams/cities of choice, even with him constantly talking about his otherworldly working ethic and will to win.

he's got more marky mark in him than true alpha dog.



  

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33. "Bruh... I didn’t even fuck with the Bulls like that..."
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but the way he tried to play the vets there was despicable.

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43. "There is no way to square "being a winner" and "
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"wanting to play for the Nets." At all

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30. "That Peak NBA article on The Ringer was so illuminating"
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If you had everybody on this team in their peak season, and the rumors of adding Smoakeem Noah turned out to be true, Thibs would have the best team in the league on paper.

This guy is so stuck in 2008 it’s wild.

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31. "Local radio saying that KAT specifically dictated that he wants Butler g..."
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or he's not resigning with the team.

They played together ONE season, wtf happened? This seems deeper than "hard ass vet with a chip on his shoulder doesn't respect younger #1 overall superstar's hustle."

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32. "He shitted on everybody including KAT & Wiggins."
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That’s the play of a guy who doesn’t want to be there in the first place.

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35. "Jimmy is an asshole and KAT doesn’t care about winning"
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Karl Abdur Raheem

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37. "Nope, sounds like Jimmy fucked his girl"
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according to Wolves Twitter, we are dealing with a full on Tony Parker/Brent Barry situation. Don't compare it to the three J's in Dallas from the 90's, this is just some white lady who likes to drop the N word on social media, not Toni Braxton.

https://twitter.com/jakewatroba/status/1042535921617436674

Your thing was weirder, though, you should write about it.

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83. "yeah, twitter did a full detailed account"
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let it also be known he was posting on Gabby Unions IG, and DWade probly knew about KAT...

but it sounds like Jimmy definitely got down w KATs girl.

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49. "Jimbo tired of that soft shit."
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Probably was giving Kat and Wiggs the blues in that locker room.

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36. "that Bulls trade looking more and more like a steal"
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Wolves should've stuck with their youth movement until the right player came along, and that wasn't Jimmy. He's a diva, shit leader, and as the #1 guy will dominate the team, alienate his teammates, and at best lead them to an eighth seed in the playoffs where he underperforms while getting swept.

Lauri, Lavine,Dunn >>>>>>

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38. "I'm angrier at the fact that Justin Patton might never fucking play"
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than anything else in that trade.

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39. "Take this for what it's worth but"
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https://twitter.com/ThisIsMarlena/status/1042549134023122944

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40. "Jimmy's starting to look a lot like D12 :("
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44. "Nothing like D12"
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Dwight is a HOF’er, was a MVP level talent, a winner, and got injured. He also doesn’t throw teammates under the bus.

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48. "Dwight absolutely threw teammates (and coaches) under the bus"
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He’s also pretty famously burned every bridge on every team he’s ever been on.

It’s comparable.

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58. "#StayJ23Stay"
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42. "So we all accept now that Klay>>>> right?"
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He'd certainly never pull this dumb shit.

He's content with enjoying his three rings, walking his dog, and banging IG models.

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45. "I forgot that was ever a thing lol "
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54. "All credit to Basaglia for creating that agenda. "
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And to some of the goofy Bulls fans to try so hard to fight against it especially when it was clear which direction things are going.

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46. "lol absolutely not"
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3rd or 4th best player on a few title teams is a fun ass career to be sure

but nah

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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47. "hell yes"
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Klay all day over Jimmy

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50. "Nice try"
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Jimmy is an asshole. He was also a top ten player last year, something klay will never ever ever ever be.

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81. "Klay will end up with his jersey in the rafters and possibly a statue..."
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...in front of the Chase Center. Not to mention the possibility of a few more rings

Butler better hold on tight to that ONE season, ‘cause that’s all he’s got in comparison to Klay.

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51. "...and none of those things make him a better player..."
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and that's ok. Klay seems like a solid ass dude, but stop.

<<<< the Tate-over, ya breaks over

  

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52. "counterpoint: if the eagles repeat, i'm gonna act so stupid."
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things i'll argue: carson is already a top 10 all time qb, alshon>antonio, fletcher>aaron donald. maybe we should just let hood cook.

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53. "To the winner go the spoils"
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If the Eagles win, you can say whatever you feel without repercussions. That’s how it works.

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55. "yeah, i've never had two in a short period"
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with the phils in 2008 and this one, i'm just so happy that i don't even feel like talking shit.

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56. "I see this morning that Steven Jackson"
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is somehow involved with this; does anyone know how or why? Is he Jimmy Butler's half-brother or something?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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57. "I assumed people were bored and waiting for some NBA drama to pop off"
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Has anyone asked Gilbert Arenas to comment?

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59. "nope...he's just a former player that's outspoken on stuff"
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<<<< the Tate-over, ya breaks over

  

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65. "on Steven Jackson"
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i am amused by the whole "I'm from the old school" while injecting yourself into something that has ZERO to do with you

and doing it via a (actually a series of) selfie video



  

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84. "Lmao right these old Avirex jacket having niggaz that can’t let go"
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Wanna provide sound bites while staying friends with the current stars. Shits sad.

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98. "When Steven Jackson shows up on that Disney/ESPN set"
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and eventually talks about this, I'm curious how he'll sound. I imagine the co-hosts around him will try to instigate to drive up attention.

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60. "somebody needs tell Wiggy he don't want this..."
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and tell his hype-man/brother to chill. Full "drama" breakdown, lol:
https://clutchpoints.com/timberwolves-news-andrew-wiggins-gets-into-nsfw-beef-with-stephen-jackson-over-jimmy-butler/

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61. "At this point, the only person I want SJax to feud with is"
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Charles Oakley.

Only person who could go toe to toe with him IMO.

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62. "man, he doesn't care. he got the bag."
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now he can get back to jacking up shots and losing like he likes to do

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63. "breh, it's not just the internet with SJax..."
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you're only one trip to the club from getting Steve Francis'd.

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66. "40 year olds in doo rags STARTING internet beef w 23y/o kids"
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is that what is admired?

c'mon man

  

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69. "where is the admiration?"
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<<<< the Tate-over, ya breaks over

  

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75. "in the framing"
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"they don't want that smoke" is different than "sjax, what is you doin?"

in a "burying the lede" kinda way

you clarified though

  

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70. "23y/o kids <- LOL"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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72. "when you're 40+"
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a 23y/o is BARELY an adult from a life experience perspective

especially today when folks are generally less mature

but the point is REALLY that a 40 year old man on the internet picking at a 23 year old is dumb to me

but if *thats* whats cool now, just go on and rip another page out the recipe book and tee-hee

  

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104. "Ain't Doo rags used to style hair?"
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Dude got waves right? What's the knock for?

  

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68. "Not to mention Jackson was a better NBA player than Wiggins has been."
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Wiggins calling him a bum is a poor idea for real-world reasons, but it's also a poor reflection of his own self-image.

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76. "lol @ i'm on tv more than your brother"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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79. "Don’t Jax have some prep work or some shit to do before the season?"
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88. "The lack of b-ball knowledge is just stupid"
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Talking about the Spurs and some 6.5 ppg, smh.

He was 18-20 ppg on some good Indiana and GS teams.

There’s no excuse for saying dumb shit like that when you can just google it.

  

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99. "Port Arthur vs.... Canada lol "
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stand down you little shit bird

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103. "Andrew doubling down on his bro's idiocy. Ouch. "
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That actually made me sad to see Sjax get called a bum. By anyone much less an NBA player. Wasn't dude undrafted... he had to grind harder than anyone of his time to get those contracts. That alone deserves the utmost respect. And on top of all that he averaged close to 20ppg a handful of seaaons all while playing like a dog on the defensive end. Andrew Wiggins is now shitlisted for me.

  

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71. "Thibs would rather leave than rebuild without Jimmy"
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It's as if he reads Jon Gruden complaining about not having an elite pass rusher and thinks "fuck that, I'll show YOU a stuck-in-the-past coach with zero self-awareness!"

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73. "That's pretty bizarre if true."
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How possible is it for the ownership to 86 both Thibs and Butler? That's probably asking too much since the season is going to start soon, right?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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77. "KAT & Wiggins ain't winning nothing no time soon, we all saw how..."
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that team folded when Butler got hurt

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dula dibiasi
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85. "nobody wanna talk about that tho."
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wolves were 3rd in the west and surging when butler got hurt.

and had the winning percentage and point differential of a bottom 5 lotto team in the 23 games he missed.

that big bitch KAT shows up when they need it and maybe their season ends differently.

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86. "Oh word... that had nothing to do with Thibs... "
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and missing a guy they traded 3 pieces for?

Oh my bad this is the same Jimmy that valiantly led all those Bulls contenders.

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dula dibiasi
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87. "it had to do with "jimmy butler is really good""
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and also with "that team ain't sniffed the playoffs since spree was feeding his family, and butler in his first year there had them 3rd in the west and surging, and when he got hurt they turned right back into pumpkins"

it's just facts.

>Oh my bad this is the same Jimmy that valiantly led all those
>Bulls contenders.

if only he could be more like wall. and KAT. and AD. and cuz. all that winning they've done.

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89. "yikes"
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>if only he could be more like wall. and KAT. and AD. and cuz.
>all that winning they've done.

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91. "Oh U in this too or are you back to wishing Reggie becomes an All Star?"
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Lemme know.

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94. "ah yes, the injury party"
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its kinda weird that youre still mad enough about stuff that happened 2 years ago to party on a dude thats missed 100 games since then

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117. "Injury Party? You still pretending Reggie is bad cuz he got injured?"
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Lmao!

No, he’s just trash.

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127. "well those are some alternative facts"
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bc after Wall commented on Reggie Jacksons contract, Reggie won a few EC player of the month awards and led his team to the playoffs while Wall stayed home

he hasnt been healthy since then, so...

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135. "You mean Reggie led his team to the playoffs & got swept..."
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while playing embarrassingly bad and like the garbage can he is. And ever since that crowning achievement of getting swept in the playoffs you've been tying his shit performance to his injury?

You meant that right?

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90. "Lmao... Wall. More winning than Jimmy. AD has won as much as Jimmy."
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KAT 22.

Boogie was winning and got hurt.

So let’s talk about it fam. Jimmy pushing 30 and ain’t done shit in the league.

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93. "lolz. ain't none of them dudes won nothing, bruh. "
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>Boogie was winning and got hurt.

if that's your standard of "winning" then so was jimmy, dumb nigga.

>So let’s talk about it fam. Jimmy pushing 30 and ain’t
>done shit in the league.

ummm no. marquis teague ain't done shit in the league.

jimmy a 30th pick that actually overachieved like a motherfucker. done just as much as your top 5 guys.

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95. "not to mention..."
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>>Boogie was winning and got hurt.
>
>if that's your standard of "winning" then so was jimmy, dumb
>nigga.

the winning actually increased post-achilles

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97. "didn't the wiz win without wall too?"
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lolz

i know KAT and them was trash without jimmy tho

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100. "also accurate"
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not to mention Jimmy came back at less than 100% for their last 3 games so that KAT and Wiggins didnt blow the lead he left them

he did 21/3/3/3 on 51% shooting. +30. 3-0.

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106. "shit is hilarious. "
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in the month before butler got hurt, dec 18 thru jan 18, minnesota won 12 of 17, lifting them to 3rd in the west behind houston and the warriors. over that stretch butler averaged 26/5/5/2 on 50/40/90 shooting splits, and every basketball site on the interwebz had him in their mvp top 5.

then he goes down and their scoring differential per 100 possessions drops from +10, one of the best in the league, to a +1, the same as the lakers.

these are just facts.

i actually like KAT, but fuck that loser ass nigga. dude ain't about to blame butler for everything that goes wrong with that team just because he don't like him. foh.

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120. "Yet the team beat the best team in the league when he got injured"
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Weird

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118. "Jimmy has done as much as who?"
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Alienate players on every team he’s played on?

Led teams to advance in the playoffs once at Age Twenty Fucking Nine?

Oh he blew a 2-0 lead going that Rondo gifted him and Wade to the Celtics.

And he also let James Harden set his dumbass on fire for a playoff series.

He did all of that.

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119. "sound like cuz."
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well... except the playoffs part.

https://tinyurl.com/thibsfaultright

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121. "Ok. Don’t sound like KAT, AD, or Wall though."
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130. "dogg, you sound crazy."
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ain't none of them cats been past rd 2. same as jimmy.

2015 butler - best player on a 50 win team

wall ever done that? nope
AD? nuh uh
KAT? lulz

where's all the winning?

if butler (aka what mkg was SPOSED to be) was a UK alum and had the exact same career you'd be in here sucking farts out his ass.

  

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136. "If Jimmy went to UK he wouldn't be a shit teammate & a big bitch."
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You holding your hat on the one time they won 50 games... for real fam?

Jimmy been the best player on a team the at has gotten out of the first round ONCE.

Jimmy has finished at best in the Top 10 in MVP voting once.

That's not Anthony Davis who just finished Top 3.

That's not John Wall who last year finished in the Top 7.

Karl Towns already has half as many All NBA appearances as Jimmy at age 22.

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140. "RE: a shit teammate & a big bitch. <-- sound like cuz"
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>
>You holding your hat on the one time they won 50 games... for
>real fam?
>
>Jimmy been the best player on a team the at has gotten out of
>the first round ONCE.
>
>Jimmy has finished at best in the Top 10 in MVP voting once.
>
>That's not Anthony Davis who just finished Top 3.
>
>That's not John Wall who last year finished in the Top 7.
>
>Karl Towns already has half as many All NBA appearances as
>Jimmy at age 22.

so they haven't won more. cool.

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96. "LMAO please tell me more about Reggie Jackson tho"
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>Boogie was winning and got hurt.

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123. "He’s trash. He’s not an All Star. Nobody wants him."
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Is that enough?

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128. "hes also started some playoff games. and Boogie?"
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137. "He also got swept and nobody wants him."
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144. "a sweep is an appearance. a non-appearance is, by nature, not."
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134. "RE: Lmao... Wall. More winning than Jimmy."
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you sure about that?

best regular season win total:
butler - 50
wall - 49

+.500 seasons:
butler - 7 of 7
wall - 5 of 8

playoff appearances:
butler - 6
wall - 4

2nd rd appearances:
butler - 2
wall - 2

numbers looking crooked like king kong shook it

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138. "LMAO.... You want credit for 4th option playoff appearances!"
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You know you reaching now you goofy ass nigga.

That nigga wasn't even starting for the season.

That's how you know we having 2 different conversations. If you don't get the fuck outta my face.

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139. "where's the "more winning" tho?"
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what more has wall won? i don't see it.

butler's started 40 of his 43 playoff games. was the #1 option the year they won 50 (wall's never won 50 btw)

where's the "more winning", fam? what's wall won?

make a case. or stfu.

i never said butler's won shit. he hasn't. what i said was that them UK bitches you always in here mancrushing on ain't won shit either. fuck nigga.

how was your summer btw?

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147. "I already told you. Wall has led his team just as far as Jimmy"
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more often.

And Wall has actually been a on the cusp of advancing to the Conf Finals.

Not Jimmy though.

And as far as AD, Boogie, KAT, and Wall goes, it's a lot tougher being top picks and pulling franchises up from the bottom on your back to lead them to the playoffs. Jimmy is an overachiever who got drafted by a playoff contender. And he had you fooled that he was like that. But we all know what Jimmy is now. A team killer. Did that to the Bulls. Now the Wolves.

My summer was good bro. Yours?

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92. "my goodness. in practice this sentence could shut down 95% of RBO's post..."
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>if only he could be more like wall. and KAT. and AD. and cuz.
>all that winning they've done.

  

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110. "That's the new default response to RBO"
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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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129. "Pretty wild how this thread turned out"
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I didn't see this thread evolving or devolving RBO turning into Real Billy Whipping Boy.

Pretty interesting turn of events.

To be clear, I'm completely neutral on this seemingly new agenda because none of the folks involved are on the Knicks, which is the sole interest I care about.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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132. "Any NBA thread on OKS has the potential to go POAST"
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once Kentucky or Duke get invoked.

"DeMarcus Cousins does nice PSA about bike safety" could easily go double plat if the right agendas get fed.

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115. "and booker"
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----
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122. "Everyone should try it. Cuz I’m sitting on a stack of facts."
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101. "*running from lockerroom to the ring at top speed*"
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TAG ME IN!!!!!

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105. "LMAO"
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107. "https://imgur.com/gallery/BDHqOQ1"
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https://imgur.com/gallery/BDHqOQ1

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111. "That big boss man pace"
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he would be a great fit in today's NBA. Run the lanes, great switch versatiity

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124. "You sure about that? Cuz I spray Great Muta mist in everybody’s face"
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126. "LOL...great visual"
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<<<< the Tate-over, ya breaks over

  

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108. "*Costanza eating popcorn listening to his answering machine gif*"
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109. "like a strong cup of cold brew first thing in the morning"
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148. "*gets out fire extinguisher*"
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goddamn lmao.

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78. "He's not going to be here this time next year anyway"
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He won't be gone before the season starts, but there's zero chance he is brought back after the season ends.

Like he has ANY leverage in this situation.

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80. "Thibs should just leave. period."
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nobody thinks hes a good coach...he just tryin to earl campbell niggas into retirement

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142. "RE: Thibs should just leave. period."
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>nobody thinks hes a good coach...he just tryin to earl
>campbell niggas into retirement



Shit...lol

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82. "Smh, complete shitshow "
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102. "I would gladly welcome Kevin McHale back in any role he wants"
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if it meant Thibs was gone.

This dumbass would be the type of poker player who keeps bluffing after he already lost the hand.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1043160715773784064

Story filed to ESPN: Rival executives lobbing calls to Minnesota’s front office on possibility of trading for Jimmy Butler are getting inquires shut down. Minnesota is telling teams that Butler’s an elite player and franchise intends to keep him.

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113. "amazing post title / body of post combo"
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116. "Unless he's trying to force Glen Taylor to fire him, I've got no"
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other explanation for how he's acting.

He has ZERO leverage. With ownership, with his players, with other teams who want to trade for Jimmy, with anyone. This is from Woj's story today:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24753358/minnesota-timberwolves-rebuffing-jimmy-butler-trade-calls

Nevertheless, Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor has become fully engaged in the decision-making process on a potential Butler trade and is far more open to the idea of orchestrating a deal than president of basketball operations Tom Thibodeau and GM Scott Layden, league sources said.

Opposing teams believe the fastest avenue to a Butler deal is engaging Taylor, league sources said. Taylor is attending the NBA's Board of Governors meetings today in New York, which include owners and top basketball executives.

Taylor has overseen high-profile Minnesota stars getting traded in the past, including Kevin Garnett and Kevin Love.




So it's up to our dipshit owner to make a major basketball decision because the President of Basketball Operations is either too proud to admit he has to or he's just doing George Costanza and trying to force a firing/payout. Training camp starts next week and who knows if Jimmy's even going to show up.

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114. "lauri markkanen, troll god."
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https://twitter.com/MarkkanenLauri/status/1042761436051628032?s=19

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125. "ZLowe out here trying to make sense and throw out some deals (SWIPE)"
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That Wizards deal would be too good for the Wolves, I'm almost mad at him for including it and giving me a faint glimmer of positivity. OKS Bulls contingent, please ignore paragraphs 8 and 9, they're not for you.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24753362/zach-lowe-trade-market-minnesota-timberwolves-jimmy-butler

The initial trade market for Jimmy Butler is confused and cool, league sources say, as teams contemplate their appetite for risk and wonder whether the Timberwolves can coalesce around trade talks -- or whether Tom Thibodeau's reported desire to keep Butler at all costs wins the day.

The three teams on Butler's preferred list -- Brooklyn, New York, and the Los Angeles Clippers, per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski -- might engage Butler in something of a game of chicken. Butler wants the full five-year, $190 million max contract only his incumbent team can offer him this summer. Offer that, and you are in pole position for a borderline top-10 player -- unless you are the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Earning pole position costs you whatever you send out for Butler, and something of an unstated obligation to offer that full five-year, $190 million deal. Those three teams are likely concerned about both costs -- not just the outgoing trade assets.

Butler is 29, with Tom Thibodeau miles and recent knee issues. A lot of teams would be queasy agreeing to pay him $40-plus million as he approaches age 35. That has dampened the early market, though teams are surely posturing to at least some degree -- just as the Wolves might be in rebuffing initial calls, per Wojnarowski on Friday. Teams will also have to be confident Butler -- contemplating his third team after conflict at the first two -- dramatically increases their chances at landing another star.

If the return is much less than what Minnesota sent out for Butler -- and it will be -- there will be a rush to mock the Wolves and condemn Thibodeau's hilariously predictable run as coach and general manager. The Wolves are already humiliated. They watched Wednesday night's dumb, Wiggins-centric Instagram drama like everyone else. There is a strong desire within parts of the organization -- particularly the business side, which has had a cool relationship with Thibodeau for a year now -- to deal Butler before Monday's media day, so that it does not become a circus (or worse).

Thibodeau's stewardship is, of course, the wild card. He loves Butler and wants to win. He may have been coaching for his job this season regardless. Wojnarowski reports Thibodeau has no desire to trade Butler even at risk of losing Butler for nothing in July. In that case, Thibodeau doesn't care as much about July as he does April, which is part of the problem in hiring him as GM and coach.

Potential suitors are curious: When does Glen Taylor, the Wolves' owner, take control of the situation? What would that mean for Thibodeau's immediate future?

Getting movable assets in return for a player, even blah ones like first-round picks in the 20s or mildly interesting young guys on decent contracts, is always better than losing a player for nothing. (Movable is the key word. Losing someone for nothing can be a good thing, as it perhaps would have been for Chicago in the case of Zach LaVine and the monster offer sheet. Time will tell.)

The overall Butler exchange will almost certainly end up a net loss for the Wolves. The pick they received from Chicago became Justin Patton, who is about to miss another season with another foot injury. But don't exaggerate the cost. LaVine earning nearly $19 million per season will be a negative unless he learns defense. Kris Dunn made a leap last season, but it was a leap from "one of the very worst players in the league" to "somewhere still way south of league-average starting point guard." I'm optimistic he can improve. Chicago's coaching staff lifted him up in ways Minnesota's did not. He is a killer on defense. But he's almost 25. He is not a prospect.

In the end, the only meaningful cost of the Butler trade might end up being Lauri Markkanen, and there is no guarantee the Wolves would have selected him. (My best intel then and now is that they would have.) Still: That hurts. But there is also a world in which avoiding Years 4 and 5 of Butler's next mega-deal -- the deal Thibodeau is dying to pay -- ends up a blessing for the Wolves. Recoup something, even a pick in the low 20s, and restock the roster with players who fit the timelines of Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins.

Butler was worth a shot. Minnesota knew the risks. That those risks have come to pass does not make the Butler trade itself some clueless debacle.

Two other complications haven't been discussed enough in the early reaction to Butler's trade demand:

Minnesota is only about $1.5 million below the luxury tax. They will not want to go so far over it by taking on salary in a trade that getting back under becomes too challenging. Remember: Only one team -- the Kings -- is carrying cap space into the season for use as a potential dumping ground.

The Wolves would like to dump Gorgui Dieng in any Butler deal, league sources say. Dieng is a backup set to earn $48 million over the next three seasons. Good luck, and thanks to the summer of 2016! Swallowing Dieng will be a non-starter for almost everyone, even if a few suitors could do so while still maintaining one max-level cap slot for this summer. (Minnesota could in theory find a third team to take Dieng, but things get tricky as more teams enter a deal.)

Let's run through some deals:

CLIPPERS

The Clips have among the easiest ready-made offers that would satisfy Thibodeau's presumed desire to chase a playoff spot: Tobias Harris, one of Lou Williams/Patrick Beverley/Avery Bradley (not tradable until Jan. 15)/Milos Teodosic, and a future first-round pick (conveyed two years after the pick they already owe Boston via the disastrous Jeff Green deal). Some of those combinations would vault Minnesota over the tax, complicating talks. The Clips could substitute Jerome Robinson for the pick, or add Robinson (though I doubt they would do that).

It would be shocking if they included Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, league sources say.

They would surely prefer swapping Danilo Gallinari instead of Harris, since Gallo's deal carries through the 2019-20 season -- cramping their cap space. But as long as they don't take Dieng, the Clippers have plenty of paths to a second max cap slot. (The Clippers can also build deals in which they send out Gallinari, take Dieng alongside Butler, and still maintain a max slot. One example: Gallinari, Williams, Boban Marjanovic, and a heavily protected future first-round pick -- if even necessary -- for Butler and Dieng. Later they would need to renounce outgoing free agents, including Harris, and perhaps dump or stretch some other guys. It's doable.)

Pairing Leonard and Butler seems to be one of their dream endgames. That said, there is no indication the Clippers have acted aggressively -- or much at all -- so far, sources say.
BROOKLYN

If the Butler market gets frothy enough, Brooklyn can grease the wheels with this offer in which they absorb Dieng:

Allen Crabbe, Caris LeVert, Kenneth Faried, and Denver's top-12 protected first-round pick for Butler and Dieng.

That saves Minnesota about $2 million in 2018-19 salary. Renounce everyone in July -- including D'Angelo Russell and Spencer Dinwiddie, who play a sort of important position -- and Brooklyn could eke out another max slot.

The Wolves would surely prefer DeMarre Carroll, on an expiring deal, over Crabbe, but the Nets have no realistic way to clear that second max slot and take Dieng without jettisoning Crabbe man. Removing both Crabbe and Dieng unlocks some simpler deals.

At first blush, this looks like a lot for Brooklyn to give up. LeVert is good. But he also projects as someone who could top out as the fourth-best player on a good team. Denver's pick could end up No. 20 or worse. Ditching Crabbe's deal is a plus. If the Nets think Butler is worth $190 million and can attract a good star, they would think about this.
NEW YORK

The Knicks have three premium assets: Frank Ntilikina, Kevin Knox, and their 2019 first-round pick. They would surely cap the bidding at one, if they even get that far -- which they likely won't, given recent vows against trading anything for players they might be able to sign in free agency. Minnesota would probably demand two of those three. No deal.

Trading Tim Hardaway Jr. and Knox for Butler would leave New York just short of another max slot, even if they waive Joakim Noah with the stretch provision and wait until the summer to re-sign Kristaps Porzingis. (They obviously aren't trading Porzingis for Butler.)

Expanding the deal to include both Courtney Lee (going out) and Dieng (coming in) makes the cap math even more gruesome.

PHILADELPHIA

The Sixers' omission from Butler's list was curious. If he wants to win, this is the spot: in the East, with two blossoming superstars. Philly is running out of time to add a third star, though given their trove of trade assets -- including Chicago's 2019 second-rounder and Miami's unprotected 2021 first-round pick -- they could always work the trade market even after Ben Simmons' inevitable max kicks in in 2020.

I'd bet heavily against Philly putting any two of Markelle Fultz, Dario Saric, and the Heat pick in any package for Butler. (Saric is really good, with two cheap seasons left on his rookie deal.) Right now, they might not even include one.

Fultz and Robert Covington works, but the Sixers likely aren't ready to bail on Fultz. Other versions: Covington, Saric, and Mike Muscala for Butler; Covington, Wilson Chandler, and some first-round pick for Butler.

You could get really ambitious and do: Butler and Taj Gibson for Fultz, Covington, Chandler, and a first-rounder. As long as we're alienating Thibs, let's trade all the TimberBulls! But again: That is likely too rich for Philly.

Simmons is 22. Joel Embiid is 24. The Sixers are already monitoring the on- and off-court vibe between them. Would they pay Minnesota's price to introduce Butler after witnessing fallout from Butler's icy relationship with young guys in both Chicago and Minny? Also: Butler is a career 34 percent shooter from deep. Is he really the best fit next to Simmons and Embiid?
MIAMI

Wojnarowski has already reported the Heat could try to butt their way into the Butler sweepstakes. They are free to trade their first-round picks in 2019 and 2023, though they should probably stop doing that. Butler would love Miami's "wear extra padding for practice" culture. Pat Riley is always hunting stars, confident in the appeal of South Beach.

Problem: Miami can't trade Wayne Ellington's handy $6 million salary until Dec. 15. (He also has the right to veto any trade.) Most of their hefty, long contacts have zero trade appeal. Minnesota would want Miami's best stuff. They'd probably ask at first for Josh Richardson, Bam Adebayo, and Justise Winslow, and I doubt Miami would deal away its entire young core for Butler. Replace one of Adebayo and Winslow with Ellington -- or offer only Richardson and Winslow, keeping Adebayo off-limits -- and things get more realistic.

The Heat could in theory add in a Tyler Johnson/Dieng exchange, since Johnson's deal expires one year earlier than Dieng's. But most permutations of that (and some of the above deals) have Miami adding extra salary, and they are already over the tax.
WASHINGTON

How about Otto Porter, Kelly Oubre, and Markieff Morris for Gibson and Butler? Would the Wiz have to toss in a pick? I'm unconvinced. Minnesota gets three legit rotation players for a post-Butler playoff push, and two versatile young wings in Oubre and Porter. This deal pushes Minnesota a hair over the tax, but they'd be able to duck back under. (The simpler deal -- Porter and Oubre for Butler -- takes Minnesota too far over.)

Washington has no means to pay Oubre with John Wall, Bradley Beal, and Porter earning (gulp) $92 million between them in 2019-20. If Butler walks, getting off Porter's salary and opening some breathing room -- even if Porter is a really good complementary player -- eases the pain. It might be worth the risk.
PORTLAND

A few folks have floated the notion of Portland trading CJ McCollum for Butler and filler. I don't mind it, even if there's next-to-zero chance Butler would give any assurances about staying in Portland. It almost works like the Kawhi Leonard trade in Toronto: If Butler bolts, you trade Damian Lillard and rebuild.

Portland's track record suggests they would like to add Butler to the Lillard/McCollum duo for one all-in run, but no such deal appears to exist.
DENVER

The Nuggets were prepared to move Gary Harris and a first-round pick for Kevin Love around the 2017 draft, so why not throw a similar package -- Harris, Trey Lyles, one heavily protected pick -- at Minnesota? What about without the pick?

I'd still wager against it. The Nuggets love their young core, and the chemistry they are building together; I doubt they upend it for a rental.
DALLAS

The Mavs might push to include Harrison Barnes; swapping Wes Matthews and a future first-round pick (that would transfer two years after the pick Dallas owes Atlanta via the Luka Doncic trade) would leave them short of max-level cap space after acquiring Butler. Then again, maybe they wouldn't care; they could re-sign DeAndre Jordan, stay over the cap, and build some sort of mutant hybrid team around Jordan, Barnes, Butler, Doncic, and Dennis Smith Jr.

Another option: Barnes, Dwight Powell, and a protected first-round pick for Butler and Dieng. Dallas in this scenario would have another max cap slot to chase a Butler running mate -- though they'd have to renounce their rights to Jordan to get it.

This feels like a blah deal for both teams -- a slightly disappointing return for the Wolves, and muddled, thin leftover core in Dallas. But if the market gets really cool and the Mavs have some appetite for risk, their first-round pick could become a valuable chip.

HOUSTON

And the door opens: Eric Gordon, PJ Tucker, and an unprotected (and almost certainly crappy) first-round pick for Butler, anyone? Gordon, Marquese Chriss, and an unprotected pick also works -- though not until Oct. 31, when the Rockets can trade Chriss in combination with other players. The Chriss version also adds about $3.7 million to Houston's books, and multiples of that to their tax bill.

Do those deals suck for the Wolves? Yes. Yes, they do. But it's better than letting Butler walk for nothing. You know Daryl Morey will risk everything for stars who could pull Houston closer to the Warriors. I'm telling you: We are going to hear from Houston before this is over.
TORONTO

I didn't really get the early Raptors/Butler buzz. Minnesota should not want Serge Ibaka or Jonas Valanciunas. A package of Danny Green, Fred VanVleet (ineligible to be traded until Jan. 15) and a protected first-round pick could work, but the Raptors know they have to be ready to rebuild if Leonard bolts. I'm not sure they want to dip any further into their stash of picks and young guys -- VanVleet, Delon Wright, OG Anunoby, and Pascal Siakam -- to recruit another star on an expiring deal.
ORLANDO

I'm surprised how many rival executives suggested the Magic. This front office has a long runway. I don't think they'd veer off course for Butler, even if they could get him at a reduced price.
MILWAUKEE

The Bucks placed a courtesy "keep us in the loop" call with Minnesota, sources say, and a package built around Khris Middleton (also set to be a free agent) and one future asset -- a pick, Thon Maker, something -- makes some sense. I just don't see it. Milwaukee has a better chance retaining Middleton than they'd have with Butler.
LAKERS

The Lakers can't trade any of their recently signed free agents until winter, meaning they'd have to trade most of their young guys -- including both Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball -- to get him now. Not happening. The winter could bring more intrigue, if Butler is still in Minnesota and the Lakers disappoint.
BOSTON

Finally! A big-name trade arrives without Boston as an oft-mentioned suitor! There really isn't a deal that makes sense until the Celtics can trade Marcus Smart in mid-January, and even then, the Celtics aren't sending out any of their five best players for Butler.

A mystery suitor could emerge. The Wolves could drag this into the season, hoping Butler reconciles with the team or some rival suffers an injury that creates desperation. The Wolves will canvas the whole league -- regardless of who ends up doing the canvassing.

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133. "I'm sure it's been said before"
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and it'll be said again, but Zach Lowe is a gem. That is an amazing amount of detailed work done in very short time, given that this news came out a few days ago.

Given all his NBA insider news and insight, I'm amazed he remains being a Knicks fan and hasn't gone neutral at this point.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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146. "That DAL lineup looks too good, they have to make that happen "
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+ with the sexual harassment issues

Winning makes people forget

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131. "Long Athletic swipe on how we got here"
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Krawczynski is the local reporter who first broke the story (along with Shams) and is plugged in as anyone to this shitshow of an organization. So Thibs knew on SOME level that this was going to happen back in July and did nothing with the hope that he could maybe squeak out another playoff appearance (in the Western Conference with a team where half the players hate the other half) and save his job?

Apologies to Randy Wittman, Thibs is officially the dumbest non-Rambis coach in the history of this franchise.

https://theathletic.com/536185/2018/09/21/jimmy-butler-tom-thibodeau-timberwolves-reunion-divorce-glen-taylor/

It​ was just 15 months ago​ that Jimmy​ Butler walked​ into​ the​ Mall​ of​ America, wearing a sharp blue suit​​ as he sat down next to his old — and new — coach, Tom Thibodeau.

Butler craned his neck upward, taking in the scene as hundreds of success-starved Wolves fans lined all three balconies that encircled the mall’s rotunda, eager to get a look at the All-NBA player that was there to vault their long-suffering team into relevance.

Butler smiled and put his right hand on Thibodeau’s left shoulder. The two ex-Bulls were together again, and the typically all-business coach relented to allow the introductory press conference to be pumped full of the pomp, circumstance and commerce-driven buzz of one of the Twin Cities’ defining, if uninspiring, venues.

In his opening remarks, Butler thanked Thibodeau, who had just finished an underwhelming first season in Minnesota. The mutual respect between the two was evident from the outset and served as the foundation for the optimism that said the Timberwolves were about to arrive.

“Thibs has molded me into the player that I am today,” Butler said that day. “He gets a lot of that credit. He really does. I don’t want to sit here and talk about him for 10 straight minutes, because I can.

“When I came into this league as a kid, that’s literally what I was. I did not know what I was getting myself into. Thibs let me know you have to work in order to make it, each and every day. When nobody’s looking, you’re working. When the cameras are on you, you’re working. I became a halfway decent basketball player because of that.”

Thibodeau wore a tie that was just a shade darker than Bulls red and a smile wider than anyone had seen during his first year in Minnesota, elated to be reunited with the living embodiment of his relentless mindset. Seated in the front row was Karl-Anthony Towns, Butler’s new running mate who was going to soak up his veteran knowledge and adopt some of Butler’s competitive edge to take his game to another level.

“Karl, for being here,” Butler said, locking eyes with Towns. “He did not have to be here. That just shows who he is, thank you for that.”

This was supposed to be the dawning of a new day in Timberwolves land, an emphatic sweeping away of the dysfunction, misfortune and losing that had plagued the franchise for so long. Butler was exactly what these young Wolves, and this grinder of a coach, needed to take the next step from up-and-coming to here-and-now.

The second season of this reunion hasn’t even begun, and all of that turmoil and hardship has returned. And Jimmy Butler is right in the middle of it all.

He has requested a trade from the Timberwolves less than a week before training camp begins, thrusting the organization, and his beloved coach, into chaos as a summer’s worth of whispers about chemistry issues, unhappiness and tension has finally spilled into plain public view. And just like that first press conference, drama-seeking fans, gossip-drunk players and executives across the league who smell blood in the water are crowding around the railings to get a glimpse of it all.

The enormous strides that many expected the young Wolves to take in Thibodeau’s first season were more akin to baby steps. Towns, Andrew Wiggins and Zach LaVine showed some improvement under Thibs in 2016-17, but the Wolves won just two more games than they did the previous year while being coached by Sam Mitchell. So the coach and president launched an ambitious plan to inject the team with veteran toughness and grit, and it started with Butler.

The franchise, including owner Glen Taylor and the business side of the operation, was eager to get back to winning as well. The Wolves had gone 13 straight seasons without making the playoffs, at the time the longest active drought in the NBA. Tickets were hard to sell, there were only so many times the marketing department could tout an exciting new rebuild, and Taylor wasn’t getting any younger.

On draft night in 2017, the Wolves sent youngsters LaVine and Kris Dunn along with the No. 7 overall pick to Chicago for Butler and the No. 16 pick. It was hailed as a heist at the time. Give up three unproven commodities in exchange for one of the best players in the league, who also happens to be incredibly close with a coach who didn’t exactly endear himself with many in the organization, and you another solid piece in the draft choice, Justin Patton? It was a no-brainer.

What followed was not a make-over, it was a full-on facelift. Ricky Rubio was jettisoned for Jeff Teague. Taj Gibson was brought in to supplant Gorgui Dieng in the starting lineup. Jamal Crawford was added to a bench that would eventually get Derrick Rose as well. The TimberBulls were formed with the express purpose of bringing Chicago toughness to Minnesota Nice.

And there were tangible signs that it was working. Their 47 wins were tied for fifth-most in franchise history. Butler and Towns were All-Stars. The Wolves sold out 18 games, more than any season since 1990-91 and made the playoffs for the first time since 2004. But the concerns about sustainability have been there for months.

During that rollicking introduction at the mall, the one in which he gave out his phone number and challenged any of his critics to call him and let him know directly if they had a problem, Butler promised to help recruit “players a lot better than I am” and help Thibodeau remake the culture to transform the cute pups into real, snarling wolves.

Towns accompanied Butler on a flight back to Los Angeles after that press conference, and the two tried to start to build the foundation of what everyone expected would be a formidable pairing. Butler embraced the role of leader and tone-setter from the moment he hit the court.

“I hope that’s part of my role here, to make sure everybody’s doing the right things, playing with energy on both ends of the floor,” Butler said after an early-season win over Oklahoma City. “We’ve got a really talented group of guys. When everybody’s swinging the ball and team offense and team defense and team everything, we’re going to be all right.”

Fans gravitated to his unfiltered bravado and quotes like, “The lights are coming on now. This is when the real MFers come to play.” Early in the season, he took a deferential approach, preferring to hang back on offense and allow Towns, Wiggins, Teague and the rest of his new team the opportunity to shoot while expending more of his energy on the defensive side of the court.

“He’s a very, very, very unselfish player,” Wiggins told The Athletic in November. “I think he feeds off of other people playing well. He makes everyone play well. He gets us easy shots, just makes it easier for everyone around him. He’s the type of guy you need to win.”

He was a barker and a biter, never hesitating to forcefully challenge teammates to raise their effort, their work ethic and their defensive approach. Such was the case on a flight to New Orleans on Nov. 28, when Butler lit into his teammates after a 92-89 home loss to Washington.

“To tell you the truth, fear will make you do a lot of things that you don’t know that you could do,” Butler told The Athletic in January. “So if I strike fear in somebody and they know I’m not playing around, they’re going to do it. But if you just talk to them softly and all of that, the majority of the time it don’t work.”

As the Timberwolves started to climb the Western Conference standings in January and things appeared to be clicking, Thibodeau had a go-to phrase when asked about Butler’s contributions.

“He’s changed everything,” the coach would say, sending the clear message that everything in this franchise needed to change. There had been too much losing for too long, and Thibodeau wasn’t going to tolerate it any longer. This franchise, in the eyes of Thibs and in the eyes of Butler, needed to ditch the pleasantries, eschew the flowers and chocolates and start kicking some ass.

The Wolves reached as high as third in the West before things started to wobble. Butler’s sore knee flared up. He sat out four games in January, did not play in the All-Star game and then had surgery that caused him to miss 17 games down the stretch. The Wolves went 8-9 during his absence, causing them to lose ground in an air-tight playoff race.

Butler worked hard to get back before the end of the season, joining the team for the final three regular-season games, including a stirring overtime victory over Denver in the finale that propelled the Wolves into the playoffs.

The Wolves drew top-seeded Houston in the first round, an overwhelming mismatch for a team that had a star still working his way back from injury. They put up a fight in Game 1 in Houston and won Game 3 at Target Center. But on the morning of Game 4, the Chicago Sun-Times published a story in which Butler questioned the commitment of some of his teammates.

“I put so much into this game and I only play to win. I don’t play for any individual stats or accolades. And at times I get lost in how everybody is not built the way that I’m built,” Butler told the newspaper.

“The same with Thibs. People don’t understand that he puts so much time into his craft. He understands what it takes. But sometimes I just look around, and I don’t understand how or why you all don’t love to get better the way that I do.”

It had emerged as a recurring theme in the Wolves locker room. Some players respected Butler’s work ethic, admired how he came to NBA stardom through the back door — homelessness in high school, junior college, hardly playing as a rookie in Chicago. They appreciated his intensity and drive and didn’t mind if he called them out privately when it needed to be done.

Others grew tired of hearing Butler talk about how hard he worked and how much it meant to him and chafed at the implication that they didn’t take things seriously enough.

But there are personality conflicts on every team, and the belief internally as the season came to a close was that those would not be fatal. Sure, Butler was annoyed and Wiggins was frustrated, but a summer away from each other and a return to a team that had serious hopes of slugging it out in the West may have been enough to bridge those gaps.

As the season wound down, Taylor said he hoped that Butler would help recruit more players to the Wolves, just as he had promised in his opening press conference. But when his agent, Bernie Lee, told The Pioneer Press that it was the Wolves’ job to recruit him, not Butler’s job to recruit others, alarm bells started to go off.

After working his way back from the knee surgery and helping the Wolves into the playoffs, Butler was hopeful that the Wolves would renegotiate and extend his contract this summer, a move that would have taken significant roster moves to pull off.

Thibodeau and Taylor didn’t see that as realistic if they wanted to hold on to a playoff-caliber team. So they did the only thing they could do under the rules of the CBA: they offered Butler a four-year, $110 million extension. Butler could get a five-year, $188 million from the Wolves or a four-year, $139 million deal with another team after this season, so he turned that down.

The contract, the desire to play on a contender, the issues with Towns and Wiggins, the size of the market, there are so many factors that affect a decision like this for Butler.

Reports started to trickle out about Butler wanting to play elsewhere with other stars. Add to it Towns not immediately signing a maximum contract offer extended in July and there were reasons to be concerned about the volatility floating through the air. Thibodeau brushed aside those worries, chalking them up to baseless internet fodder.

“I’ve been around a long time; I don’t buy into any of that stuff,” Thibodeau said during an appearance at the Star Tribune booth at the state fair in August. “You have to distinguish what’s real and what’s not real. You never heard any of that come from Jimmy’s mouth. It’s always a source close to Jimmy. If Jimmy has something to say to someone, he usually says it directly. …

“The biggest thing is chemistry on the floor and winning. How efficient they are tells you there’s strong chemistry on the floor.”

With all of the rumors in the air, at least one team reached out to the Timberwolves in July to ask about Butler’s availability, sources said. But they were quickly rebuffed.

All of the while, Butler stayed away from Minnesota, traveling overseas and spending time at his home in California. When the calendar turned to September, only a few of the Timberwolves trickled into Minneapolis to start preparing for camp, including Minnesota native Tyus Jones, free-agent addition Anthony Tolliver, Teague and rookies Josh Okogie and Keita Bates-Diop. Another red flag.

With less than one week to go before media day on Sept. 24, Thibodeau was summoned to California for a meeting with Butler. He was planning on asking to be traded, but in the days leading up to the meeting several wondered if he would stick to his stance or soften it when Thibodeau charted his vision for the upcoming season.

As Thibodeau laid out his plans, Butler told his coach that he wanted to be elsewhere. Thibodeau resisted, saying he couldn’t trade him because he wanted to make another playoff run this year. But Butler held firm.

When the news went public, Wiggins’ brother Nick tweeted “Hallelujah!” touching off a social media skirmish with Butler and Stephen Jackson, of all people. Timberwolves players, staff and officials throughout the league watched in amazement as some of the issues that Thibodeau downplayed for months were laid right out in the open.

The four-time All-Star has received a torrent of criticism for the timing of his request. It has put Thibodeau in an incredibly difficult position with little leverage as other teams start to swoop in to try to take advantage. But sources say this week was not the first time Butler made it known to Thibodeau that he was unhappy and did not see a long-term future with the franchise. When it became clear early in the summer that he was not going to get the renegotiation and extension, those feelings were made known to Thibodeau, sources said.

What remains unclear is how definitive Butler was in his earlier remarks. Did he say that he wanted a trade? Did he say the he did not intend to sign an extension with the team when he becomes a free agent on July 1, 2019? Or did he merely convey some disenchantment at the current state of the situation?

No matter how strong the message was, it was unlikely to be granted by Thibodeau, who is so closely aligned with Butler that any steps he takes forward in Minnesota without Butler by his side could weaken him to a degree that will be difficult to overcome.

The Timberwolves have been quiet through all of this, stunned that it has gotten this far, fuming at Butler’s abandonment of a coach he respects and privately wondering just how ugly it’s going to get.

Thibodeau has rebuffed trade calls to this point, even of the informal “what would it take?” variety that several teams have started to initiate, sources said. His hold on both positions in the organization hasn’t been strong for quite some time and it’s well known throughout the franchise that his relationship with Taylor got off to a bit of a rocky start.

By all accounts, Thibodeau has been much more accessible and engaging with Taylor, and many in the organization, this summer. He has been working to establish relationships that he simply ignored in his first two seasons on the job, knowing full well that Year 3 could be considered make or break for the Thibodeau-Layden pairing.

Any signs of momentum or positive vibes were extinguished this week, and no one knows how this ends.

For Thibodeau, this is far worse than the deterioration of his relationship with Rubio, a favorite of Taylor’s but one Thibodeau inherited who didn’t fit his style or his mentality.

This is Jimmy Butler. Thibs’ hand-picked pride and joy. The one who pledged to have his back through thick and thin and drag this woebegone franchise out of the dank cellar and into the spotlight.

Now he wants out. And there remains a real possibility that he will not report to training camp next week if a trade has not been consummated, sources said.

Trading Butler likely would mean a step back in the upcoming season, which would put Thibodeau’s job in jeopardy. But keeping him, re-inserting him into a locker room that has only grown more volatile with the events of this week, and risking losing him for nothing at the end of next season would be an equally big risk for the franchise’s long-term future.

In the past, as ESPN alluded to on Friday, Taylor has not hesitated to get involved in these kinds of scenarios. He was integral in working with Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert to help Flip Saunders trade Kevin Love to Cleveland for Wiggins. He resisted Thibodeau’s urges to trade Rubio until Rubio himself went to Taylor and asked out. He has also ushered other players out who have been looking to move on including Al Jefferson, Mike James and Corey Brewer.

Now, if Thibodeau continues to hold the line, Taylor may have to do it again. Rival teams are aware that they may have to go through the owner to get any traction on a deal and Butler may have to engage Taylor personally as well to see this through. Taylor is in New York this week for league meetings, and at least one team approached him but was told to funnel their inquiries to the Wolves’ front office, sources said.

Whatever happens, Thibodeau will have an enormous task on his hands when it comes to simply coaching a team full of players who know that his most trusted lieutenant, the one he empowered like no other in the organization, has turned on him and the franchise.

Fifteen months ago, Tom Thibodeau and Jimmy Butler reunited in an attempt to roust a forever-slumbering franchise. Instead, the marriage hasn’t even made it past the honeymoon phase.

Now, with training camp right around the corner, chaos has descended upon Minnesota again. Thibodeau is backed into a corner, and Butler was the one who put him there.

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141. "Wolves say they ain't trading Jimmy...Glen Taylor says..."
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145. "KAT got paid"
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So I'm guessing Thibs has come around to doing what needs to be done with Jimmy. "But he's not a WINNER," cries some weirdo, "Jah's going to be the tallest Popeye's employee in history six months from now" says another.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24765399/karl-anthony-towns-agrees-super-max-deal-timberwolves

In a deal that cements him as the franchise's long-term cornerstone, Minnesota Timberwolves All-Star center Karl-Anthony Towns has agreed to a five-year, $190 million super-maximum extension, league sources told ESPN.

Towns' agent, Leon Rose of CAA Sports, informed the organization of Towns' intention to sign the extension on Saturday night, sources said. The Timberwolves report for media day on Monday and begin training camp on Tuesday.

In a statement, Towns said: "On June 25, 2015, I was drafted to and committed to the Minnesota Timberwolves. On September 22, 2018, I made a recommitment to the Wolves and have the same feelings of excitement that I felt back in 2015.

"I promise to the fans, my teammates and the organization to keep the vision of the man who drafted me, Flip Saunders, alive and treat his dream of winning with respect and dignity. To the fans from Day One and the Timberwolves fans, this is for you. Thank you for believing in me."

The super-max deal includes the ability for Towns to earn 30 percent of the Timberwolves' salary cap with the fulfillment of reaching one of the three All-NBA teams, or being voted league MVP or Defensive Player of the Year this season.

In three NBA seasons, Towns, 22, has emerged as the Timberwolves' most significant player since Kevin Garnett.

Towns, the No. 1 overall pick out of Kentucky and 2016 NBA Rookie of the Year, led the Timberwolves into the Western Conference playoffs for the first time in 13 seasons in 2017-2018. He made the Western Conference All-Stars and earned third-team All-NBA honors.

On Saturday night, Towns also tweeted "5 More" accompanied by a video montage of his career with Minnesota.

https://twitter.com/KarlTowns/status/1043665389291327488

Towns, who hasn't missed a game in his three seasons, averaged 21.3 points, 12.3 rebounds and 1.4 blocks per game in 2017-18.

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149. "Marc Stein reporting that Miami is now Butler's preferred team"
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Way better trade options for the Wolves here than with the other three teams initially mentioned. This seems like a weird thing for his agent to put out there, though.

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150. "In my mind, I have already mapped out the Dion Waiters Wolves era"
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Highlights include the 50 point game he had the day before calling Thibs "lil headass" to his face and getting decked by Luol Deng because of it, then having a GIF party on Twitter the day Thibs is fired.

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152. "i know you've seen the fat dion pictures floating around"
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153. "LOL, that was him?"
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I literally didn't know who that was supposed to be in that picture, couldn't see the jersey number. Was he on the all Cuban sandwich diet?

Yeah, Riley's definitely going to try and trade him now.

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154. "You still welcome that trade?"
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That extra post-season blubber should keep him warm in the cold Minnesota winters, so maybe Dion Waiters knows something the rest of us don't know.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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155. "I don't see who can offer a better potential package than Miami"
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Josh Richardson and Olynyk/Waiters (maybe Winslow) is better than anything either of the NY teams can offer or the Clips will offer.

If Richardson isn't the centerpiece of the deal, it's going to be bad. If they're going to try and make the Wolves take on Whiteside's deal, we at least better be able to ship Dieng off to South Beach or a third team.

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156. "LOL..yeah, I saw that last night..."
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on Twitter...along with the fat Harden pics. People are silly.

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151. "damn...Guillermo (from Dan LeBatard Show) called it the other day"
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157. "BAM KAT... BAM KAT... BAM KAT... I like that."
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Or get Sac involved and get WCS in return. But he’s a FA at the end of the year sooooo

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158. "https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1045303195029917697"
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159. "Ha ha."
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160. "ain't that something? (c)Pete Rock"
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161. "Thibs is saying fuck it, fire (and pay) me now"
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He's absolutely trying to get fired, no other explanation makes sense.

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162. "https://youtu.be/E8aoHCCW35A"
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163. "LOL&FOH@Ben Simmons being the ask"
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Just say you aren't trading him if that's the case

An all-star caliber player on a rookie contract...for a FA to be looking for max $$$

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164. "I know, if there's one thing the Wolves do NOT need"
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it's yet another wing who can't shoot from farther than 8 feet out from the basket. Would be a terrible trade for the Wolves.

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165. "your wolves feistiness is charming"
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166. "Thanks!"
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Got to do something with it, man.

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167. "Yeah Wolves don’t need the 1 Point Koala pounding the rock to dust"
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170. "What if Wiggins was Australian and had even less range?"
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Like, the Wolves haven't had a wing who can reliably hit 3's in forever, but sure, *Ben Simmons* is the answer!

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168. "We're holding out for a bag of dildos (c) Minny "
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Leverage is lost the closer the deadline gets

Good luck with Kawhi drama 2.0

When Jimmy sits out...

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169. "Thibs already has no leverage, dude"
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Can't lose what you don't have *head tap*

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171. "seeing onTwitter that Butler to Houston is gaining real traction..."
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Kings a possible 3rd team.

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172. "LOL MOREY HATERS LOL"
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173. "lulz...yep. if he pulls this off, mofos gonna be beside themselves"
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175. "best exec in the league, bar none."
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niggas can make all the analytics jokes they want, but at the end of the day no one's better, whether it's trades, drafts or fagency.

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187. "really?!"
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>niggas can make all the analytics jokes they want, but at the
>end of the day no one's better, whether it's trades, drafts or
>fagency.

he's been a mixed back at best, non of the "poison pill" contracts he did worked out, the Dwight signing was largely a bust, outside of Capela his draft record is spotty at best lol

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174. "Gordon and Tucker should be a done deal..."
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176. "yahoo will miss dan devine."
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he's moving over to boston sports guy's shop next week. solid pickup for them, his pieces are always quality.

https://sports.yahoo.com/jimmy-butler-missing-piece-houston-rockets-184046715.html

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Could Jimmy Butler be the missing piece for the Houston Rockets?
Dan Devine
September 28, 2018, 1:40 PM CDT

When the Houston Rockets opened free agency by losing Trevor Ariza and Luc Mbah a Moute — two key cogs in the significant defensive improvement that helped the Rockets rise from 18th among 30 NBA teams in defensive efficiency in 2016-17 to sixth last season, which in turn helped Houston become the kind of balanced monster capable of competing for the NBA title — and signing Michael Carter-Williams, it looked like they’d taken a step back from pushing the Golden State Warriors to the brink in the Western Conference finals. Even as the summer progressed, with athletic swingman James Ennis, former All-Star scorer Carmelo Anthony, point guard Brandon Knight and ex-lottery big man Marquese Chriss all arriving via free agency or trade, the Rockets still seemed a touch less potent on both ends of the floor than last year’s model, which came within a brutally timed hamstring injury and a staggering string of missed jumpers of reaching the championship round.

As he surveyed the landscape, though, Rockets general manager Daryl Morey projected confidence and emphasized patience. “We need our best team on April 15,” he said, suggesting the possibility of a shake-up that might put Houston in better position to once again go toe-to-toe with the reloaded Warriors. Like … maybe … for example … bringing in an All-NBA small forward who’s one of the league’s best perimeter defenders?

We’ve known for a few days that the Rockets were one of the many teams who had expressed some level of interest in trading for Jimmy Butler, the four-time All-Star who formally requested one week before training camp that the Minnesota Timberwolves trade him out of the Twin Cities. Despite owner Glen Taylor’s reported interest in putting what’s become a messy situation behind his team as quickly as possible, Wolves coach/president of basketball operations Tom Thibodeau and general manager Scott Layden have taken a more measured approach, refusing to be held hostage by the clock.

The Wolves’ top two decision-makers reportedly insist that any prospective suitor come to them with serious proposals commensurate with Butler’s status as one of the game’s best players, and they’re representing that — while they intend to honor Butler’s request — they’re willing to wait to do so until they’ve got a deal that keeps Minnesota competitive now and better positions the franchise for a Butler-less future. (No matter how much that might frustrate Butler.)

As the process wears on, with Butler reportedly most interested in making his way to the Miami Heat, the Rockets have remained in the mix, according to Mark Berman of Houston FOX affiliate KRIV-TV:

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1045511835804454914

Berman’s report comes on the heels of a similar note from ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, suggesting that Houston might have some work to do to put together a package that might pique Minnesota’s interest, but that Morey and company are still in the business of doing that work:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1045062983280447488

Creativity, as you might remember, is kind of Morey’s specialty. On his watch, the Rockets have:

• Devised the “poison pill” contracts that landed restricted free agents Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik in the summer of 2012;

• Constructed the right kind of now-and-later package to get the Oklahoma City Thunder to part ways with James Harden shortly thereafter;

• Waived or traded a handful of players in short order — Thomas Robinson, Furkan Aldemir, Royce White, James Anderson and Tim Ohlbrecht — to carve out just enough cap space to sign marquee free agent center Dwight Howard in 2013;

• Worked out a three-team, six-player deal to land Ariza in the summer of 2014, then a three-team, five-player swap to import wing Corey Brewer that December, with both playing important roles in Houston’s run to the 2015 Western finals;

• Started the movement toward teams renegotiating and extending the contracts of their star players to secure their services for even longer, re-upping Harden in 2016 and again in 2017; and

• Paid cash to pile up non-guaranteed contracts to add to guards Patrick Beverley and Lou Williams, forwards Montrezl Harrell and Sam Dekker, and a top-three-protected 2018 first-round pick in a package to send to the Los Angeles Clippers for superstar point guard Chris Paul last summer.

On that last one: despite lacking the cap space to add a max-salaried game-changer like Paul — who had reportedly informed the Clippers he wouldn’t be returning in unrestricted free agency the following summer, and was interested in being moved to a specific destination (sounds familiar!) — Morey still managed to find a way to send the Clips immediate starting-caliber players, including one who wound up meriting surprise All-Star consideration, young talent with upside, a draft pick, nearly $700,000 in cash, and three non-guaranteed contracts that L.A. could waive to lower its cap number.

According to the most recent rounds of reporting, what are the Wolves looking for to move Butler? “Stars, starters, draft picks and salary-cap relief.” Y’know, just in case you’re scoring at home.

“There’s always fine-tuning, you can always get better,” Morey recently said, according to Kelly Iko of The Athletic. “We have all our draft picks going forward, so if something presents itself that allows us to make a trade to improve the team, we won’t hesitate to do that.”

What form a Rockets offer might take remains to be seen. Michael Pina of VICE Sports and ESPN’s Zach Lowe have theorized about a framework built around Sixth Man of the Year Eric Gordon, tough-as-nails 3-and-D forward P.J. Tucker and an unprotected first-round pick, which would provide immediate help, two players on cost-effective contracts beyond this season, and a(n admittedly likely late) first-round selection to add more young talent moving forward.

Things get several orders of magnitude more complicated if the Wolves are indeed insisting on jettisoning the remaining three years and $48.7 million owed to backup big man Gorgui Dieng as part of any Butler deal. That would probably require Houston to loop in a third team, or maybe even third and fourth teams, to find the right combination of cap relief and assets going back the other way without giving up more than a couple of vital pieces of the Rockets’ own puzzle. We’ve seen Morey navigate those multi-team waters before, but they can get mighty choppy awfully quickly.

Plus, if it’d mean parting with Gordon, Tucker and another potential rotation piece, it would also require some serious risk analysis weighing the costs and prospective benefits of taking that kind of big swing. This is where we remind you that the Rockets’ were basically playing 6 1/2-man dudes by the end of the Western finals, and that Gordon and Tucker were two of the six. And if D’Antoni is, as ESPN’s Tim MacMahon suggests, thinking about starting Gordon while bringing Anthony off the bench, this 2-for-1 would necessitate a major shift in the starting five, including possibly reinserting ‘Melo, which could both lower the starters’ defensive ceiling and dampen the second unit’s offensive punch. Again: it’s complicated.

That said: depth matters, but stars matter more. The Rockets still have their taxpayer midlevel exception (worth just under $5.34 million) with which to shop for a down-the-rotation boost on the buyout market as the season goes on, but they might not have the opportunity to pick up a player that can matter the way Butler can.

Few front offices over the years have proven as willing as Morey’s to take that home-run cut, to “up (their) risk profile” in pursuit of bona fide stars and difference-makers who can not only close the gap with Golden State, but put Houston in position to actually topple the two-time-defending champs. Butler is excellent, a defensive monster with a versatile offensive game. (He’s not a knockdown 3-point shooter, although his stroke might play up in a spaced-out attack like the one Mike D’Antoni has designed with Harden and Paul at the controls; as Rahat Huq of Forbes notes, Butler shot better than 38 percent on catch-and-shoot 3-pointers and long balls fired within two seconds of the pass, and nearly 41 percent on wide-open triple-tries.)

Butler’s also got a relentless competitive streak that seems tailor-made for the heat of postseason battle against the likes of Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green. (Oh, and DeMarcus Cousins, who the Warriors totally have now.) He is the kind of player Houston has routinely sought since Morey took the reins in 2007.

“We go toward talent,” Morey told Jonathan Feigen of the Houston Chronicle. “ To me, it’s similar to our players, from one to 15, from the front office staff to the coaching staff, we have done everything but win the title. That’s what’s left.”

Taking that final step will require massive talent and the bold moves to bring it in; trading for Jimmy Butler would certainly seem to qualify. Now we wait and see if Morey can get creative enough to put together a package that catches Thibodeau’s eye.

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178. "Local ESPN radio affiliate has news on some potential deals"
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https://twitter.com/NotDWolfson/status/1047499012436320257

Miami: Whiteside/Dragic (no Winslow or Richardson)
Houston: Tucker/Gordon, as mentioned above
Milwaukee: Brogdon/Bledsoe (please just do this one,though I doubt MKE would actually pull the trigger.)

I see no reason to not do the deal with the Bucks if that's actually all it takes. That Heat offer is laughable, though. Only way it POSSIBLY works is if they (or a third team) take Dieng off our hands. Because the amount of money committed to him and Whiteside is an absolute killer.

Edit, I just tried the Miami deal in the ESPN trade machine, only way it could possibly work (with Miami only giving up those two) is to throw in Dieng AND Jeff Teague. I don't even like Teague, but that's never gonna happen.

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179. "How likely would Houston or Milwaukee "
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be one year rentals? I'm aware of the rumors of Butler wanting to go to Miami, but I didn't hear of Houston or Milwaukee being on Butler's list.

As sexy as a Rockets team with Butler would be, I also see that locker room being fairly combustible, given all the personalities in that starting five and Butler's history. Also, it would be pretty wild to see Minnesota make the Rockets that much more dangerous since the both are in the Western conference.

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182. "Jimmy is from Texas so he might actually stick in Houston"
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Mil is a little different, but with him having roots in Chicago, might be doable. My thought though is that Jimmy wants a warm, big city or major metro (NY, BK, Miami, LAC). Houston also comes with the added benefit is being championship competitive immediately.

Him, Paul, Melo, Harden and Capella could compete for the next 2 rings. After that...*shrug* but him, Harden and Capella are young enough to lead a few more playoff teams.

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183. "Uh huh. Mr. I Work 1,000 % Harder Than Everyone Else"
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is gonna rock with Melo, Harden, & CP3?

Uh huh... tell me more.

He gonna say something slick to Melo. And Melo gonna punch him in his goddamn face.

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184. "pretty sure they're friends. "
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>He gonna say something slick to Melo. And Melo gonna punch him
>in his goddamn face.

spades partners, at least: https://youtu.be/j8QOj09oEQI

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185. "Uh huh... I need footage of Jimmy’s face when Melo underbet his books."
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190. ""fuck you mean '4 and a possible'???""
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191. "bitch nigga you lettin Jacks walk????"
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186. "What about Butler and Chris Paul?"
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I could see those two butting heads since they both have respective histories of rubbing folks the wrong way.

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189. "That too. When CPPlea hurts his hammy & Jimmy says..."
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“See that wouldn’t have happened if you ran the hills with me at 4 in the morning.”

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188. "until lala posts on IG"
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196. "Nice lol"
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180. "Those trades are poo"
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The Houston one is laughably bad.

Miami needs to give up J-Rich or BAM. Justise is ass juice. I don’t need one of his jumpers careening off the rim sending KAT into the concussion protocol.

Bledsoe/Brogdon is alright. Not sure it makes the Bucks better, but I wouldn’t care.

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192. "Brogdon at least offers a good young player on a cheap contract"
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And Bledsoe is, if nothing else, someone to play at the point so Rose doesn't ever have to.

The Rockets deal at the very least brings in a three point shooter.

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193. "Ehhh Brogdon is gonna be 26 in Dec"
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I agree with the on the cheap part though.

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181. "Phx wants Teague so they might get involved"
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Might be willing to take Dieng and Teague in the deal so long as they could maybe move Chandler.

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194. "Heat: stop fuckin around, Tom"
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1047689337511587840

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195. "If the Heat aren't willing to include Richardson, they can fuck off"
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And if they're trying to get the Wolves to take on Whiteside without taking Dieng, they can REALLY fuck off.

I think if a trade with Miami goes down, it's going to have to involve a third team somehow.

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197. "No new trade news, but the Rockets are gonna get fined for tampering"
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https://twitter.com/RedNationHoops/status/1049668990333841409

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198. "https://twitter.com/FusaroESPN/status/1050026678926397441"
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https://twitter.com/FusaroESPN/status/1050026678926397441

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199. "That seems like a weird sticking point for Houston"
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I'd love to have Tucker on the Wolves obviously, but for the Rockets, is PJ Tucker worth not having a CP3/Harden/Butler team?

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201. "he'd be a huge rotational loss tho"
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saw him play a lot with the Suns, he is lethal from the corner and big enough to guard 4 positions effectively.

i hear you, but him and Harden seem to be real close and I doubt the management wanna make the beard mad.

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207. "Yup, he means more than you'd think"
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He was such a rock, a guy who can actually play better with more energy instead of just getting into foul trouble (he does that too, though), and his three point shooting has improved. Plus, yup, he's very close with Harden and Paul.

Most importantly, he's currently the best wing defender on the team, and though Butler is clearly superior, when the target is the Warriors, you want multiple expert wing defenders (especially with Beardo or Melo on the floor).

  

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200. "At this point are we sure he even rocks with Thibs?"
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He sure is backing Coach Dangerfield into a corner.

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202. "He's back at practice and extra shouty"
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Remember when Jimmy Butler liked to air his frustration with a coach by just refusing to run the designed play and hold it for 17 seconds and shoot?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1050102251262480386

At one point in a scrimmage, sources said, Butler turned to GM Scott Layden and screamed, "You (bleeping) need me. You can't win without me." Butler left teammates and coaches largely speechless. He dominated the gym in every way. Jimmy's back.

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203. "they cant win w/o him. he washed em w/ the THIRD STRING"
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the niggas that keep the bench from flying off into outer space

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204. "Just going from Twitter, this practice has eclipsed the first Fab Five o..."
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where the Five just ran every upperclassman out of the gym.

By the end of the day I expect to hear Jimmy has decapitated Glen Taylor and agreed to trade himself to the moon.

Wait, Josh Okogie was on the team that "holds down the bench?" LMAO, he's a born winner!

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208. "They can definitely win without him. He needs to be gone."
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They sure as hell ain’t doing anything with him.

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218. "RE: They can definitely win without him. He needs to be gone."
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>They sure as hell ain’t doing anything with him.


Wait...didn't they nearly miss the playoffs without him? I think they were 3rd/4th seed with him in the West before he got hurt....

I mean, none of this matters. Because Thibs is the real issue....

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239. "3rd when he got hurt. trash before him, and w him in civvies. "
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he the problem tho. fuck outta here.

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246. "100"
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211. "lolz."
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can't wait til he's outta there.

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213. "Goddamn! I'm neutral on Jimmy but that is some baller shit."
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Dude is up in there just pooping on everyone.

  

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205. "laughing out loud imagining this scene"
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absolutely incredible

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206. "Wolves got to trade him now before Spo/Pringles get nervous"
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about coaching this guy this year.

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209. "If Thibs can't reign him in at this point, which coach can?"
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Other than maybe Popovich, I don't know which coach in the league can get this dude to settle down. Butler on Houston sounds like a complete a total disaster waiting to happen for multiple reasons.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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210. "i think the issue is the young Wolves players"
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being little coddled babies that dont want to win

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212. "^^^"
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214. "They should take a lesson from the guy who demanded a trade to the Nets"
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221. "Yes, the Wolves should take lessons from perennial winner Jimmy Butler"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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223. "they blew a 3 seed without him"
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they actually are a bunch of losers without him. and can learn how to win with him, which has been LITERALLY PROVEN.

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225. "They also almost got swept with him."
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They would’ve been better off if they never traded for him.

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219. "RE: If Thibs can't reign him in at this point, which coach can?"
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Nah...Butler is no malcontent...Dude is still mad that the Wolves slow walked his contract talks early on and he thinks the kids on the team don't have any heart...

But....In the NBA you ALWAYS choose youth/skill/. Young players can learn how to win so I get the Wolves choosing to re-up KAT.

But I'm not mad at Butler...Dude has shown his worth to that team....

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226. "He talked his way off the Bulls and now here."
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And he’s acting like this.

But he’s not a malcontent right?

Y’all niggaz are hilarious.

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228. "RE: He talked his way off the Bulls and now here."
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Actually, he wanted to stay on the Bulls....He didn't want to be traded...

As for the Wolves? This is an entirely different scenario.... Butler is the Wolves best player. Everyone knows it. That team is not making the playoffs without him in the West. He just has a issue with soft players....

But I'll say it again...The Wolves problem ain't Butler. It's Thibs. His coaching style is outdated for THIS NBA....

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236. "No. He acted like a dickhead during his last year on the Bulls."
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Rondo called him out.

They made the playoffs.

Won games.

Rondo got hurt.

Lost every single goddamn game after that.

Please point out an inaccuracy in that chain of events.

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237. "I don't know if you noticed this RBO, but Rondo went to Kentucky. n/m"
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Just thought that was a cool coincidence.

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243. "Rondo, model team mate, since spring 2018."
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https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2015/2/26/8114369/complete-history-rajon-rondo-pissing-off-coaches-benched

...LA is his 7th stop...?

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248. "Rondo... winning & great teammate since.... forever"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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260. "Rondo kinda works in favor of the Jimmy Butler argument"
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Rondo is an insufferable asshole to dumb, lazy people

Rondo wins rings with hard working, intelligent
people

Butler is that kind of asshole. He'll win when he's not
with fat, lazy, stupid bums

  

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280. "Who gets fed up with Rondo first?"
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Beas
Javale
or Luke
?

I smell blood before the AS break.

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229. "why are we still assuming Thibs is some kinda Butler-whisperer?"
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in terms of managing personalities i'd probably put Thibs towards the bottom of the league's coaches. Thibs losing influence over him doesn't mean much to me at this point

  

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217. "If Spo can handle Whiteside's crazy ass, he can handle Butler."
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I can't see him fitting on Houston.

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215. "YES!! I want him to go FULL Randy Orton, lol"
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<<<< the Tate-over, ya breaks over

  

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220. "this is funny"
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222. "Jimmy speaks on it with Rachel Nichols..."
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https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1050138641278881792

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216. "Someone had to be recording this practice, right?"
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It's 2018, leak that shit

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224. "Just watched the ESPN interview. Hollywood as hell but he has a point"
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He corny but them other dudes soft. not soft >>> soft

And I get his point but he's approaching Dwight levels of cornball.

No horse in this race as long as DRose gets some of his swag back.

  

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227. "Jimmy's agent played this brilliantly"
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Tell Woj enough to get him to praise your guy as putting on "a tour de force"(!) and then immediately sit down with Rachel Nichols and soft pedal your perspective. Completely took control of the narrative, and all agents should work this hard for their players.

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231. "YUP."
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230. "I wouldn’t disagree that the squad needs to toughen up."
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But this isn’t how you lead a team.

In fact this is the opposite of what you do to lead a team.

The message can be dead on, but the messenger is wayyyyy off.

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232. "the leader should stay aloof, distant, and play Fortnite "
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with his childhood friends

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235. "Aloof or distant, you’re on the Timberwolves now?"
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So the leader should be signing Vanessa Carlton with his grown adult friends?

Lmao.

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233. "RE: I wouldn’t disagree that the squad needs to toughen up."
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>But this isn’t how you lead a team.
>
>In fact this is the opposite of what you do to lead a team.
>
>The message can be dead on, but the messenger is wayyyyy off.


All the stories I've heard of everyone from Jordan to Gary Payton challenging teammates in practice???? Hell, even laying hands on them? lol

This is nothing new........It's the NBA.

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234. "He’s neither Jordan or Gary Payton or Jordan Payton or Michael Gary"
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