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"“Gimme dem pull ups.... BKs rocking knocking on the Rox.” - TRADE"


          

BK Broiler on the Rockets as CP3 insurance?
Sure.

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good luck to him
Aug 31st 2018
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Yet he was gonna start in Phx...lol
Aug 31st 2018
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And this means he wasn't gonna start in Phoenix?
Aug 31st 2018
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      It does...because he never started in Phx lol
Aug 31st 2018
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      He started when he got to Phoenix.
Aug 31st 2018
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      Seems like a pretty clear indicator, yeah
Sep 01st 2018
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by my count the Suns have about 27 Small+Power Forwards now
Aug 31st 2018
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can they donate a small or two to Cleveland?
Aug 31st 2018
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Good trade for the Rockets.
Aug 31st 2018
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so is booker the fulltime PG now?
Aug 31st 2018
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HE BETTER NOT BE (c) the entire Suns fanbase
Aug 31st 2018
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so develop him.
Aug 31st 2018
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      he just doesnt seem to me to be an elite PG
Aug 31st 2018
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           bc he has potential to be more than a klay thompson.
Aug 31st 2018
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                IMO he is a two, let's not act like 2s are forbidden to handle/make play...
Aug 31st 2018
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It really doesnt matter his position. Yellow Mamba gonna have the ball.....
Aug 31st 2018
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HMMMM
Nov 28th 2018
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      after seeing Bridges starting... i changed my stance
Nov 28th 2018
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      telling you, bro. he's more than a klay. he's got harden potential.
Nov 28th 2018
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      DAMN, THAT'S A LOTTA TEXT! NOPE!
Nov 28th 2018
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      LMAO
Nov 28th 2018
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      *dead*
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      here's the part that I zero-ed in on.
Nov 28th 2018
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      Yeah... no. They should still get an actual pg.
Nov 28th 2018
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      This is the key here:
Nov 28th 2018
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Basaglia
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1. "good luck to him"
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auragin_boi
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2. "Yet he was gonna start in Phx...lol"
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3. "And this means he wasn't gonna start in Phoenix?"
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auragin_boi
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4. "It does...because he never started in Phx lol"
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That was easy RBO. I just never saw them having long term plans with him...I was right.

He should do well as a backup for the Rox though. And he'll get some mentoring from CP3 which will help too.

He was going nowhere in Arizona IMO.

  

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7. "He started when he got to Phoenix. "
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Just Google bro. It’s pretty easy.

Mentoring? Lol.... okay fam

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16. "Seems like a pretty clear indicator, yeah"
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5. "by my count the Suns have about 27 Small+Power Forwards now"
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8. "can they donate a small or two to Cleveland?"
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Cedi needs backup

  

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6. "Good trade for the Rockets. "
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9. "so is booker the fulltime PG now?"
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i hope he gets that shot. i think he's earned it. he's shown some serious playmaking ability out of the P&R.

the way MDA uses harden is pretty much the ideal of what you want out of your point guard/lead guard/playmaker in the modern nba offense: good size, ability to shoot, drive or create after a ball screen, equally comfortable on- or off-ball, a knack for getting to the charity stripe.

booker can become that type of player imo. kokoskov should use him the same way he used doncic for slovenija. surround him with wings and let him get busy.

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10. "HE BETTER NOT BE (c) the entire Suns fanbase"
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>i hope he gets that shot. i think he's earned it. he's shown
>some serious playmaking ability out of the P&R.
>
>the way MDA uses harden is pretty much the ideal of what you
>want out of your point guard/lead guard/playmaker in the
>modern nba offense: good size, ability to shoot, drive or
>create after a ball screen, equally comfortable on- or
>off-ball, a knack for getting to the charity stripe.
>
>booker can become that type of player imo. kokoskov should use
>him the same way he used doncic for slovenija. surround him
>with wings and let him get busy.

he got the shot, dude. the team was way worse when he ran the O. he is good enough, absolutely... it just is a trainwreck completely when he runs the offense.

they seem to be surrounding him with 2-way wings... but he just operates better from his natural position. I can be wrong about it, but... seems like all of us do not want him to run point.

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11. "so develop him."
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he's what, 22?

more time in the role, with better talent around him.

it's his future imo. give him rope. not like yall are playing for wins yet.

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12. "he just doesnt seem to me to be an elite PG"
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his perimeter defense is flat out awful. he cant stay in front of 95% point guards in the league.

he's like a shorter skinner Klay Thompson... why turn Klay into a PG?

play to his strengths, dont mold the guy into something else. at least thats my train of thought.

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13. "bc he has potential to be more than a klay thompson."
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klay handles like he's wearing oven mitts, and can't playmake to save his life.

booker's ceiling in those areas is way higher. call him a 1 or a 2, whatever, but he should be tasked with some playmaking responsibilities. playing him strictly off the rock is a waste of his game.

as far as defense, i don't care. pair him w someone who can guard. i'm talking about the other end.

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14. "IMO he is a two, let's not act like 2s are forbidden to handle/make play..."
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I didn't like what I saw out of him running the offense and I think he is very good in the role he was in.

Also, if that is the decision the Suns are making, then bet against it working out. Their track record of late has been hawt ass gahbage, right there with Sac as far as wayward, meandering, worthless organizations. Maybe they fell into some good luck this year in the draft but they can screw that up, too.

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15. "It really doesnt matter his position. Yellow Mamba gonna have the ball....."
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in his hands a majority of the time.

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17. "HMMMM"
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OK, granted, your mileage may vary when it comes to what’s interesting about the worst team in the NBA. But over the past couple of weeks, first-year head coach Igor Kokoskov has decided to take a much longer look at a lineup featuring Devin Booker as the de facto point guard alongside an extra wing on the court—an alignment my colleagues have considered more than once. As it turns out, the Suns look a whole lot better running things through their franchise centerpiece.

Phoenix has logged 227 minutes this season with Booker on the court without nominal point guards Isaiah Canaan, Elie Okobo, or De’Anthony Melton, according to NBA.com’s lineup data. Nearly all of those no-PG minutes have come in the past two weeks, since Kokoskov elevated rookie swingman Mikal Bridges into the starting lineup; the new first five of Booker, Bridges, Deandre Ayton, Trevor Ariza, and T.J. Warren is a promising plus-12 in 63 minutes, and the Suns are 2-4 in Bridges’s six starts, with wins over the Spurs and Bucks. With Booker on the ball, the Suns have outscored opponents by 4.7 points per 100 possessions. That’s just about the same point differential as the very good Indiana Pacers—whom the Suns hung with until the final minute on Tuesday—have managed on the season, and it is an Incredible Hulk–style leap over Phoenix’s full-season net rating, which is tied for the NBA’s worst.

The fit just makes more sense. Moving Canaan to the bench and handing Booker the reins removes an unnecessary impediment to the Suns getting the ball where they want it on a given possession; as Mike D’Antoni said two years back after naming James Harden the Rockets’ full-time point guard, “Why camouflage it?” It also makes room for Bridges, who has been one of the most effective members of the 2018 draft class out of the gate.

The Suns have been awful defensively this season, but they’ve been significantly better with Bridges on the floor, allowing just 101.6 points per 100 possessions in his minutes. That’s carried over into the new-look starting lineup, which is bigger—another benefit of replacing a (listed at) 6-foot point guard with a 6-foot-7 small forward with a 7-foot-1 wingspan—and more disruptive at the point of attack.

Adding Bridges to the perimeter group of Ariza and Warren allows Kokoskov to station two viable shooters in the corners and one in the slot, creating more space for Booker and Ayton to work in the two-man game. That increases the likelihood that Booker will have either an easy pass to make as he turns the corner toward the paint off the dribble ...

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… or room to dribble into a rhythm jumper:

.@DevinBook is already 4-for-4 with 8 points!
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— Phoenix Suns (@Suns) November 25, 2018

Booker’s shooting percentage has dipped when he’s been the lone facilitator, but he’s still scoring at a high clip and dishing more dimes than ever. He’s averaging 31.9 points and 12.8 assists per 100 possessions of no-PG floor time; the only players averaging more than 30 and 10 per 100 this season are Harden and Russell Westbrook.

Going all in on Point Book won’t change Phoenix’s fortunes overnight; there’s just too much for all this youth to learn, especially defensively, for the Suns to suddenly become the superteam Booker hopes to lead. But giving Booker the keys empowers Phoenix’s best player to take ownership of the team, creates more opportunity for the team’s two 2018 lottery picks to share the court, and gives the Suns their best chance of finding a group that can have sustained, replicable success for the first time since Goran Dragic and Eric Bledsoe partnered up. Continuing to explore a lineup with this kind of potential is the sort of experiment that can turn a season going nowhere into the start of something bigger.​



>i hope he gets that shot. i think he's earned it. he's shown
>some serious playmaking ability out of the P&R.
>
>the way MDA uses harden is pretty much the ideal of what you
>want out of your point guard/lead guard/playmaker in the
>modern nba offense: good size, ability to shoot, drive or
>create after a ball screen, equally comfortable on- or
>off-ball, a knack for getting to the charity stripe.
>
>booker can become that type of player imo. kokoskov should use
>him the same way he used doncic for slovenija. surround him
>with wings and let him get busy.

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18. "after seeing Bridges starting... i changed my stance"
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you were right sir. this team is solid and fun to watch with him running point. TJ Warren has REALLY improved as well.

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24. "telling you, bro. he's more than a klay. he's got harden potential. "
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i actually hate the klay/booker comp. it's so lazy and basic, and ppl only do it because they look alike.

sure they're both great shooters, but booker's ballhandling and playmaking analytics as a rookie were better than klay's career bests, and they've only gotten better each year. conversely, klay's a much much better defender.

they actually aren't super similar. he's a lot more like harden, and if he was a dark skinned nigga w a beard more folx would realize it. limiting him to an off-ball catch and shoot guy is a fucking waste. put the pill in his hands, let him take his lumps and learn, and 2-3 yrs from now he could be as good as beard.

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19. "DAMN, THAT'S A LOTTA TEXT! NOPE!"
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22. "LMAO "
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25. "*dead*"
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20. "here's the part that I zero-ed in on."
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>The fit just makes more sense. Moving Canaan to the bench and
>handing Booker the reins removes an unnecessary impediment to
>the Suns getting the ball where they want it on a given
>possession; as Mike D’Antoni said two years back after
>naming James Harden the Rockets’ full-time point guard,
>“Why camouflage it?” It also makes room for Bridges, who
>has been one of the most effective members of the 2018 draft
>class out of the gate.

I strongly prefer CP3 with the ball on the Rockets but Harden at PG makes a lot of sense in most situations for the reasons noted below:

>>i hope he gets that shot. i think he's earned it. he's shown
>>some serious playmaking ability out of the P&R.
>>
>>the way MDA uses harden is pretty much the ideal of what you
>>want out of your point guard/lead guard/playmaker in the
>>modern nba offense: good size, ability to shoot, drive or
>>create after a ball screen, equally comfortable on- or
>>off-ball, a knack for getting to the charity stripe.
>>
>>booker can become that type of player imo. kokoskov should
>use
>>him the same way he used doncic for slovenija. surround him
>>with wings and let him get busy.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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21. "Yeah... no. They should still get an actual pg."
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Book is gonna have the ball in his hands and make plays a lot of the time. But there should always be a pg to facilitate from time to time and get him and the rest of the team easy looks.

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23. "This is the key here:"
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>The fit just makes more sense. Moving Canaan to the bench and handing Booker the reins removes an unnecessary impediment to the Suns getting the ball where they want it on a given possession; as Mike D’Antoni said two years back after naming James Harden the Rockets’ full-time point guard, “Why camouflage it?”

He needs the ball in his hands anyway. Unless you have a PG who can do more than just give the ball to Booker, no need to play one.

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