EVAH!!!

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/24182944/where-braves-legend-dale-murphy-now

I can't even bring myself to read it

somebody with more patience and understanding let me know if I'm wrong

'should he be credited with HRs he didn't hit...because he didn't juice'

WTF

Dick Allen wept

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be about it or be without it

RIP GOATs

They trying to embellish his stats because...dat 'tegrity

You got something worse?

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I was one of those TBS Kids they talk about who was able to catch my team on TV almost every time they played. Being a military brat, having the Braves almost everywhere we went was a stable constant for me. Dale Murphy wasn't my favorite player on the squad (I liked Claudell Washington & Steve Bedrosian) but Murph was a beast for us.

The piece comes off a little USA, Mom & apple pie but at the same time, that's always been how Murphy was. I think he's a genuinely good dude & I kinda respect the fact that he hasn't campaigned for a spot in the hall by knocking other players.

Now, this part that you quoted below...

>'should he be credited with HRs he didn't hit...because he
>didn't juice'

...yeah, that's a dumb idea but I got the impression that they said that to try to emphasize how good Murphy really was (on some pretty bad teams).

It's a shame he's not in the Hall.


Same as Roger and Barry.


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the baseball HOF is a sham

they arent in the Hall because they were committing criminal acts for competitive advantage

Murphy isnt in the Hall because...well...i dont knkw

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

>Murphy isnt in the Hall because...well...i dont knkw

If you're a "big Hall" guy, cool. But personally, just among eligible position players without any scent of PEDs on them, I would rather see Larry Walker, Kenny Lofton, Dick Allen, Edgar Martinez, Scott Rolen, Keith Hernandez, Lou Whitaker, and Thurman Munson go in first.

Great player. Good face for baseball. 3rd best NL outfielder of the 80s. Produced minimal value outside of that 80-87 prime, and even that doesn't look as good as it could have through retro lens.

3rd best NL outfielder of the 90s? Ray Lankford. 3rd best NL outfielder of the 70s? Cesar Cedeno. Cedeno is rated 6 spots higher on Jay Jaffe's JAWS among CFs than Dale Murphy. I'm not saying he's a white Cesar Cedeno in a better home ball park with a national cable audience, but he's closer to that than he is a Hall of Famer for me.

2 MVPs and 6-7 good years doesn't get you into the Hall. Didn't for Roger Maris. Wouldn't have for Juan Gonzalez even without the steroid baggage. Dale Murphy was not good enough for long enough to merit serious consideration. Apologies to southerners and TBS 80s babies across the world.

>>Murphy isnt in the Hall because...well...i dont knkw
>
>If you're a "big Hall" guy, cool. But personally, just among
>eligible position players without any scent of PEDs on them, I
>would rather see Larry Walker, Kenny Lofton, Dick Allen, Edgar
>Martinez, Scott Rolen, Keith Hernandez, Lou Whitaker, and
>Thurman Munson go in first.
>
>Great player. Good face for baseball. 3rd best NL outfielder
>of the 80s. Produced minimal value outside of that 80-87
>prime, and even that doesn't look as good as it could have
>through retro lens.
>
>3rd best NL outfielder of the 90s? Ray Lankford. 3rd best NL
>outfielder of the 70s? Cesar Cedeno. Cedeno is rated 6 spots
>higher on Jay Jaffe's JAWS among CFs than Dale Murphy. I'm not
>saying he's a white Cesar Cedeno in a better home ball park
>with a national cable audience, but he's closer to that than
>he is a Hall of Famer for me.
>
>2 MVPs and 6-7 good years doesn't get you into the Hall.
>Didn't for Roger Maris. Wouldn't have for Juan Gonzalez even
>without the steroid baggage. Dale Murphy was not good enough
>for long enough to merit serious consideration. Apologies to
>southerners and TBS 80s babies across the world.

Asking for, uh, a friend.

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>>Murphy isnt in the Hall because...well...i dont knkw
>
>If you're a "big Hall" guy, cool. But personally, just among
>eligible position players without any scent of PEDs on them, I
>would rather see Larry Walker, Kenny Lofton, Dick Allen, Edgar
>Martinez, Scott Rolen, Keith Hernandez, Lou Whitaker, and
>Thurman Munson go in first.

These are all names spanning a variety of different positions; by default (grew up going to two Yankees @ Mariners games before school every summer in the 90s), I'm there with you on Edgar and it's a shame DHs have such an uphill battle with the Hall. If Frank got in, Edgar should get in, though. I'm with you on all the rest too.



>3rd best NL outfielder of the 90s? Ray Lankford. 3rd best NL
>outfielder of the 70s? Cesar Cedeno. Cedeno is rated 6 spots
>higher on Jay Jaffe's JAWS among CFs than Dale Murphy. I'm not
>saying he's a white Cesar Cedeno in a better home ball park
>with a national cable audience, but he's closer to that than
>he is a Hall of Famer for me.


If you're gonna be cold with the numbers, Murphy was clearly a better player than Lankford, who made just one All-Star game, never placed higher than 16th in MVP voting and got chewed up by the Braves' staff in '96. By the numbers he looks like any given fan favorite from any given half-decade.


>2 MVPs and 6-7 good years doesn't get you into the Hall.
>Didn't for Roger Maris. Wouldn't have for Juan Gonzalez even
>without the steroid baggage. Dale Murphy was not good enough
>for long enough to merit serious consideration. Apologies to
>southerners and TBS 80s babies across the world.


Again, these are two players Murphy clearly had a better career than. Roger Maris' infamy is as much marketing and circumstance as anything, while Juan Gon is mostly a nickname, a bat and a haircut. Both of his MVP campaigns look blatantly misguided on paper and are most distinguished by their ability to set the internet on fire if they had occurred today: https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/8m421j/al_and_nl_mvps_war_ranked_from_best_to_worst/


I was already biased by those wins at the time as a Mariners fan amazed by A-Rod and marking as hard as possible for Griffey, but man do advanced stats make those wins look totally random.


I'm no Dale Murphy fan other than his Rookie and MVP cards in MLB The Show so there's no passion in this argument, but from everything I've read about the guy over the years and seen of him on TV/highlights/stat sheets, Murphy makes enough of a case to at least get voted in under the Era Committee and compares favorably enough to enough guys already in the Hall that it's far from a moot argument, though clearly he's a borderline player.


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Jay Jaffe wrote a lot more words more articulately than I did about it:

https://www.si.com/mlb/strike-zone/2012/12/15/jaws-and-the-2013-hall-of-fame-ballot-dale-murphy

The writers who liked him and saw him play never gave him 25% of the vote over the 15 years he hung around the ballot. A lot of earnest cases for him talk about him answering fan mail. If he did make it in he wouldn't be the worst player in there, just the worst one to have gone in for a while.

I got a list of people that deserve credit. Let's start with Griffey Jr. and work our way down until we get all these old washed overrated mfers out the hall of fame....

Can we apply this logic to other sports?

I think HOF voters tend to be stuffy assholes and that they should give up the charade and let in the greats who used PEDs, but I also don't see anything bad about reevaluating on-the-cusp players who didn't use PEDs. No one is actually going to add to their statline.

>I think HOF voters tend to be stuffy assholes and that they
>should give up the charade and let in the greats who used
>PEDs, but I also don't see anything bad about reevaluating
>on-the-cusp players who didn't use PEDs. No one is actually
>going to add to their statline.

but it's not weird someone would write this article.

There's a reason HE was the object of this article

There's a been an odd Dale Murphy love fest

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dude who did the Ole Miss 30 for 30, which was great until the end when he talked about his own personal white guilt followed by a white girl singing dixie on acoustic guitar. it was just weird and i felt it undercut his point. plus he wears that fucking hat.

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stats to justify him to be in the Hall of fame....He put up some big years....home runs...even stole 30 bases in one of his MVP years ….. and he led the Braves to prominence after them being bad for a really long time.….


and like the article mentions....millions of kids across the country saw him do his thing on TBS

he deserves to be in the hall.....


the baseball writers who vote be on some weird shit...