IT wrecked his body and played after his sister died for a franchise that traded him.
Demar is the only all star in Raptors history who WANTED TO BE THERE.
Pau Gasol was treated like a bag of dicks every January/February by the Lakers.

I could go on, but you get it.

Loyalty means nothing in the NBA. Players will get fucked. And while I understand the actions of the front offices in trading for Kyrie, etc. - I also think we can kill the whole narrative that being loyal to your team, doing what's right for the team in regards to your contract, etc. is a good thing. For every Tim or Dirk, there are a hundred cases of GM's treating players like a business asset.

I think we all, myself included, owe an apology to Lebron, Durant, Melo, etc. Melo's contract might suck for everyone, but he's earned it. When Steve Nash said, "Yeah, I'm going to take that last $10 mil even though I can't play", a lot of people balked at him - but he was right.

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Ownership will always do what's best for themselves, but get pissed when players leave and don't "look them in the eye" and tell them beforehand.

Just to add to the list, I remember something similar happened with Carlos Boozer. And then there was the whole Kendrick Perkins thing in Boston.

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It's not the same, same. But it's kinda the same.

People are mad about teams getting "unfair" advantages by signing good players. That's really what this all comes down to.

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no one said "why wasn't cuz loyal to the team that had him for 16 months."

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Players do the best thing for them, and then people are mad about it.

I get it's different...but the root of it is the same. People think players should be held to a higher standard than franchises, and that's stupid.

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What I'm pacifically (c) having trouble with IRT Kawhi...is the get your money contingent

I never understood that rationale from a fan's perspective

as a fan, I want to win

IDGAF how much money guys make

so when people clap to other people's pockets being straight (c), I never got that...unless you know these guys personally, were involved in their development, or stand to gain directly, etc...

Kawhi did neither

He's losing money and not going to be in a position to win a chip next year

Terrible example to talk about loyalty IMO

Being that SAN traded George Hill, who was a solid pro at the time and still is, for a 15th overall pick

SAN took a shot, Kawhi developed, SAN made him the franchise post Timmay...and here we are

to question player loyalty in this example is spot on IMO.

Guys forming like Voltron (GSW) is a different topic IMO

again, from a fan's perspective, KD taking an L vs GSW, then walking to that team in FA...doesn't raise any questions for you?

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I think he didn't trust the medical staff after the knee thing and they probably pressured him a bit to play through the pain.

Can't call it though.

But we are specifically talking about Derozan. Raps lied to him. Told him face to face he wouldn't be traded, then traded him without notification.

Wack.

$27M

I think it's actually an example of loyalty paying off

DD didn't go the route of ring chasing

Stayed in TOR

worked his way to franchise player status

I get it...TOR said he's safe

But they also said the same thing about Dwayne Casey...right?

Looks like TOR is set to blow it up...probably flip Kawhi before season end...

Sure they lied to him, but he's in a better place IMO, and getting the same money

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He's built his life in Toronto. He wants to live there, wants to be in the city.

They should have had the courtesy to tell their franchise guy, face to face, "We're moving in another direction and as our best asset, we need to move you to do so. We'll try to send you to a favorable situation as best we can. We know this is hard for you and your family but we felt we owed you the courtesy to at least let you know beforehand."

It's funny how people minimize players to "you should be happy because...MONEY!" but they never say about the franchise "you should be happy because...MONEY! Why trade a guy away if he's your franchise? Play him until he retires!"

other than money, DD has demonstrated that he is the guy Kawhi is not

like you said

He put the franchise first

I think that elevates his value beyond his contract

'high moral fabric/character guy'

TOR definitely didn't do themselves any favors here

and I fully expect this to end turrabull (c) for them

...but I think this is an upgrade for DD, and his loyalty is part of him being a highly coveted asset...

So many question marks surrounding Kawhi...aren't even a question IRT DD

i.e. he's done well for himself by being loyal to TOR

not his fault they f'd him, and that will reflect on that franchise in future negotiations

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and if Kawhi sits out like reports are saying... holy shit.

hate to be a Raps fan right now, I never thought anyone would get it worse than us this offseason

this move, at its most cynical, is nothing more but a soft hedge to force the rebuild. it's also very thirsty -- because the "Kawhi" level talents always seem to do the corny thing and go to the same old teams/cities, teams like Toronto have to hop on whenever they can, unless they luck into a Kawhi themselves in a draft. That Paul George decision was expected to go the other way precisely for this reason.

and people were upset with Philly (and other teams) for tanking. well, this is why they tank. they have no other recourse.

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You play that fire game by trying to undercut talent, and they can sacrifice and choose the best spot for them.

No one wanted to give him a salary based on his numbers (25/12/5)...

Cool...

"I'm a Warrior."

*shrug*

Loyalty. *scoff*

at LeBron for taking his career into his own hands - and this was *after* he fully fulfilled his contractual obligations. He gave max effort throughout his first 7 year contract w/ Cleveland - then leaves after the front office proved to be inept - and many who are now shouting for player mobility were joining the herd in crucifying him in 2010.

Now everyone's screaming "do you see why players have to take matters into their own hands?"

Finally, many have apologized to LeBron James.

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He went to the best place possible to win multiple rings and he's been the best player on that team and it shows. Every playoffs.

Your body did the same thing which is why he thought he could win upwards of 7 titles.

Choice is choice.

what I haven't been cool with is your gross over-simplification that equates Bron's move in 2010 with Durant's move to GSW.

Nuance is your friend. Not all free-agent moves are the same.

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method.

Bron jumped ship to play with 2 allstars (and eventually a 3rd).
KD jumped ship to play with 3.
Bron left a 66 win team to do so.
Durant went to a better team than the one he was on.

If we frowning, we frowning on it all. Who cares about method?

If we giving passes, we giving passes.

Why do we need nuance to say...they both went to better teams?

Some people say the whole backdoor collusion with Wade/Bosh/Riley was wack.

Some people say leaving a team that had the defending champs down 3-1 and going to play with the team you almost beat was wack.

They are equal by all accounts. You're preference for one over the other doesn't make it 'different'.

I see your dash of nuance and add a pinch of context.

That would be a better way to spend your time than looking at the refs any time somebody doesn't get the exact same criticism Bron does.

Lebron is legit one of the best three players to ever play professional basketball. He's socially conscious in a way that his main rival for GOAT status never was. But he's not, nor does he have to be, a Latter-day Saint. Bron's gonna ball and be ok man.

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That's 90% of the "loyalty" bullshit.

It's like Trump supporters and their "patriotism."

It's all bullshit.

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Within baseball, the sentiment is even racialized.

Ask Griffey about the death threats he got when he
went to his HOMETOWN TEAM that his FATHER played for.

The anti-black resentment when it comes to the things
is definitely unique.

as a Red Wings fan in Detroit, i can promise you it is.

we have a first ballot HoF'er from 3 years ago (also a former MVP, 3x champion, and longtime assistant captain) who hasnt had his fucking number retired because he didn't finish his career here. and it wasnt even his call! the team actually pulled their offer during negotiations!

this might be an excuse for racists to get their shit out, but the mentality is independent of that. in fact, i might even say that hockey is the *worst* of all major sports in this regard.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

This is a statistical fact.

Look at post-decision Lebron. He was a perfect angel
of a citizen, never did anything but good, but was
the sixth most hated athlete in the world.

Guess what race the other athletes were?

https://www.cnbc.com/id/39170785

its weird how you always have the same two or three (obviously white) posters trying to counter everythin you're saying


they can't ever let a point you're making stand? Even when you're clearly right

These teams ain't loyal and dudes are one injury away from never playing again. It's lowkey to me like say Black people need to be grateful.

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And he played in the 'offs through his sister dying unexpectedly while on a bad hip that needed surgery.

Laid all of him on the line for the C's...

Found out he was traded driving back to Boston...no phone call from Ainge, no face to face meeting/heads up.

Smh

IT's new contract has less to do with being on a new team and more to do with his injury and going from 29/3/6/46% FG/38% 3PT to 15/2/5/37% FG/30% 3PT in the span of a year. If he did those numbers on a bum hip in Boston, he still wouldn't be getting paid shit this offseason. He's turning 30, doesn't defend, and fits into most overhead compartments. Dude would've been paid *more* perhaps... but a 100+ mil deal for 30-year-old half-a-hip Lil Zeke? Nah. I don't see that.

Doesn't change that the trade was cold-blooded, but not because of what it did to Zeke's value. Unless Ainge had a spare hip lying around, I don't think he was going to be able to fix that. Sad but true.

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hate to say it, but dude could've been more gracious. he had that one exceptional season and assumed things were always gonna be like that for him going forward. Not considering he's a system player, a midget in a giants game, an albatross on defense, easily replaceable, etc..

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>Found out he was traded driving back to Boston...no phone call
>from Ainge, no face to face meeting/heads up.


https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/isaiah-thomas-trade-celtics-cavaliers

Blame it on older age but I forgot all about the call. I just remember him being pissed at Ainge and finding out while driving home.

So my bad on that.

I at least he got a 'call', I suppose.

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and its understandable.

the masses didn't get on lebron for being disloyal to cleveland just playing them by doing it on tv and ring chasing

Durant to the warriors wasn't about loyalty it was about going to a record setting team you should have beat

only people mad about melo to denver was denver

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Apparently, Lakers asked Steve Nash not to retire

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/los-angeles-lakers-steve-nash-retire-10-million-031215

"The Lakers asked Nash not to announce anything, according to team sources. They hoped they could trade Nash’s $9.7 million salary, not only an expiring contract but also a giant coupon for another club to take and immediately save real dollars via insurance, to get a building block for the Lakers’ future.

Fully aware how little he has given the Lakers since arriving in 2012, Nash agreed to do them a solid. He would put off his official retirement announcement and remain a member of the Lakers this season in name only."

which is why i never understood the Durant is ruining the nba talk. fuck and that. I've been all for letting players control their destiny's, because there are a lot of shitty front offices, that don't know what they are doing. nah, i have no beef with players taking matters into their own hands.

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I'm a die-hard Spurs fan and if Kawhi feels that he wasn't treated well, or they botched the relationship, I can take the L. Players are basically meat, only a few owners and orgs really give a shit about the human side of the players, and even they get it wrong sometimes.

A couple of years ago with the Bosa hold-out, people were vilifying him until they saw the bullshit deal the Chargers were trying to offer him.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Race is a HUGE factor in that, but it goes beyond only race, it's also the idea of Joe America knows he can never be an NBA player, he's 33 years old, overweight and got cut from his JV team in 9th grade. BUT he's been fed the american dream that He is a big business break away from being on the owner's level.

He's never going to achieve any of it, but there is still hope in his mind for him to one day be the owner. In his mind athletes were lucky to be born with the talent and add some hard work on top of it, but the owners had to hustle and succeed in life to make it to that level. Again race is huge, but it goes beyond only race. People view athletes as lucky and disregard the work that went into it.


In reality, the owner is their rich boss who works them too hard and doesn't appreciate it who they come home and bitch about every night, but they don't see that because of being unable to relate to the athlete at all. They'd never take the CEO of their company's side in a labor dispute, but they fail to see how it's the same idea.

Most fans are gonna look at it from 2 perspectives

1) what's best for their team
2) from an employees perspective

And yeah race/class/status factor in more as well.

I've never heard a fan ever relate to an owner with the exception being the people who have owned companies I've worked for.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

about how Demarr should be happy to be a millionaire and stop whining about being traded. About how players shouldn't care about loyalty from an org given how much money they make.

I've also seen some of that sentiment on OKP (in yrs passed).

The 'fan experience' leads you to think more like an owner once you get past childhood. As a kid, you want to emulate the athlete. You go hoop, shout out "Jordan", "Kobe", "Dirk", "Bron" when taking jumpers or whatever. But when you hit about 22 and you know that NBA dream is over. You start to think about constructing the team. What players make sense for it to win. Who on the team fits and why.

Fantasy sports echos this as well. You are now thinking like a GM or an owner. So it would make sense that if a guy made a decision you didn't like but was best for him, you'd think "he's not loyal" because you want him to serve your purpose and not his own.

But truth be told, at work, most of us are the Derozan's and Kawhi's. New CEO decides to cut 20% of the workforce, now you have to sweat out if your job is on the line (a rebuild). You last through cuts but they want to reassign you to a new department, doing a job you really don't want to do (trade) now you have two options; shut up and do the new job or find another company to work for.

Imagine going through all that and then being called an ingrate and disloyal by the HR person, CEO and team members on your way out the door. Imagine your decision being plastered on the cover of Business week and talked about on financial shows for weeks and those same sentiments get echoed.

THAT's who we are in this scenario, most of the time (unless you own your own business).

you're thinking of whats best for your team because you are a fan of that team, not bc you relate to being an owner.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Fans care because they want the team to win.
Owners care because they want the team to win and maximize profit.

But it's rare that either of them view the player like they would view themselves in a labor dispute.

The owner IS basically the franchise. Fans tend to side with the franchise because it's the team they root for.

There's no real reason OKC fans should call Durant a 'cupcake'. Their team was still competitive, opened the door for their most recent big 3 (PG, Melo, Russ).

If he wasn't happy playing in OKC or saw another place where he felt his career could flourish (and it has), then that's his right. He was a free agent.

He helped get that team to the finals and they hadn't been since GP and Kemp, let alone ever in OKC. But they turned their back on him the moment he decided to leave.

Yet if it were one of them, unhappy at their job, saw a place where they'd enjoy working much more and took the opportunity, they'd be stunned if they were treated like they treat KD.

*Shrug*

that wasn't y2floyd's point

this was:

it's also the idea of Joe America knows he can never be an NBA player, he's 33 years old, overweight and got cut from his JV team in 9th grade. BUT he's been fed the american dream that He is a big business break away from being on the owner's level.

He's never going to achieve any of it, but there is still hope in his mind for him to one day be the owner. In his mind athletes were lucky to be born with the talent and add some hard work on top of it, but the owners had to hustle and succeed in life to make it to that level. Again race is huge, but it goes beyond only race. People view athletes as lucky and disregard the work that went into it.

Its wrong, dudes aren't relating to the owner from the perspective of they are more likely to be an owner than an athlete, its bc they want the team to be successful. The funny part is that owners and fans define that success differently. Fans are just about the wins, owners care about the $.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I'd buy you're telling me I'm wrong as if there is just 1 right/wrong answer to this, if it only happened when players leave their teams.

Why do people get mad about players leaving other teams for other teams that don't effect their own team?

It's because the average fan views players as lucky and selfish for not realizing they are lucky and the owners as smart business people.

Which of those do you think a 35 year old dude connects with and sides with more?

Why do fans always take the owners side during strikes and holdouts (including other team players)?

Why do fans always take the owners side instead of the PA's side during rule changes?

Sorry, I'm not wrong, it's psychology. It's not the only answer to this, but to come in here and say I'm just wrong disregards so many things to just try to make 1 point that people like their team..

same when Bron makes a jump

it effects errybody.

You don't understand why a fan of a WC team would be mad that GSW formed a super super team?

...and said grief is actually a criticism of their team's ownership...

i.e. why didn't we get so and so, where's our super team, etc...

I'd guess, there's more than a few reasons why fans don't criticize owners in a more high profile way

BUT, we have seen the NYK's fans repeatedly drag Dolan
Dilbert
Reinsdorf during the MJ years
The Buss children

I'm sure the perennial dogshit teams like the suns, kings, wolves, etc...have had their fair share of owner critiques

On one hand, we're saying power to the players

then you're saying, they shouldn't be criticized...?

it's starting to feel like the players are joining forces and making these decisions outside of ownership

+ they have a much higher profile than owners

and accessible

you can continue the crusade, but it's starting to enter head in the sand territory IMO

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Yeah. as a fan, my actual politics re: labor mostly go out the window
(to a degree) because I kind of find "player rooting" (and the related team-hopping) corny in team sports. if it's an individual sport like say... boxing, that's cool.

I've said a million times: if KD turned Boston into a Super Team I'd have been less mad, if LeBron took his talents to Philly I'd have been less mad, because those moves don't necessary "break the league" like joining a team that all the others already have a problem beating.

the 90s NBA is often romanticized because of all the stars that played in that decade (from the beginning when 80s GOATs were still in the league, to the end when a new crop of memorable players entered), also the difference in rules, etc. 6 of those years were ceded to 2 three-peats by a team with the most aggressively-marketed player in league history. I def. tuned out when those runs started because 1) wasn't a fan of that team 2) "foregone conclusion" teams like those Bulls and GSW actually suck to watch IMO

I like to watch thinking that maybe someone in the league has a chance to topple the favored team. This is why Dallas and San Antonio winning against the Heat, and the Lakers winning against the Celtics Big 3 was huge. I guess you could throw Cleveland's epic win in 2016 in that lot. No other pro league, except maybe the NHL (even in Bettman era) has that rarity of parity (Pittsburgh damn near has been in it every year since the league came back). and even NHL had to make an expansion team (Pee Pee Knights) to slow that down a bit.

as for the owners, LOL @ sympathizing with those robber barons
like bent said, it's usually in concord w/the success of the team how well they're perceived.

and if they (other parts of the front office) screw a player (like Toronto did DeRozan)... or the team itself (FUCK GEORGE SHINN, FUCK HOWARD SCHULTZ), then it's gonna be pitchforks.

same goes for the players. I would not fault Spurs fans for shitting on Kawhi for the rest of his days as a player, nor Thunder fans (or fans of NBA who don't like one team running the show) being mad at KD -- when they do corny shit, they deserve to be lit up for it.

look at all the Laker fans still mad at Lord NyQuil for STAYING still.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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>Why do people get mad about players leaving other teams for
>other teams that don't effect their own team?

every move affects other teams. What are you talking about?




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>Which of those do you think a 35 year old dude connects with
>and sides with more?
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the average non white fan connects with the athlete moreso than the owner. c'mon.

>Why do fans always take the owners side during strikes and
>holdouts (including other team players)?


i don't know about always but the general fan sides based on the info that is available to them. That info is provided by the media. Who do you think the 'media' sides with? We always hear how much this player can make under this cba and how much this means for max contracts but do we ever hear what the various owners make under different cba deals?

>Why do fans always take the owners side instead of the PA's
>side during rule changes?

this is news to me...

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

because most people's jobs dont involve other people spending discretionary income for the privilege of watching them do it

fwiw when a player i like leaves in free agency, i generally blame the FO for fucking up a relationship.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

Wasn't one camp in the Kawhi saga throwing the entire SAS organization under the bus?

as a 6ers fans, when the chip team was broken up and later when Barkley was traded...nobody was mad at the players

we blamed Katz.

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>because most people's jobs dont involve other people spending
>discretionary income for the privilege of watching them do it

But most peoples jobs don't exist if people aren't spending money on the product they are helping create, regardless of what that is.

If a company's best customer service rep left because he worked well for 5 years and they passed him over for a promotion unfairly or for business reasons. And a recruiter contacted that customer service rep and told them they could get them a gig paying 25% more than they currently make...

You think the customers are going to blame the customer service rep for leaving for a better opportunity or are they gonna blame the company because the customer service took a noticeable dip?

>fwiw when a player i like leaves in free agency, i generally
>blame the FO for f*cking up a relationship.

^^^And to me, that's where the blame should be most of the time. Granted some guys just want to go elsewhere and there's nothing a team can do about it, but to take a crap on a player for making a legit FA move (which now typically costs them millions of dollars) is silly to me.

As fans, we can gripe that another team might now have an advantage over ours but hating the player because they moved is childish to me. *shrug*

Isn't that negated in the NBA, as current franchises can always offer more than competitors...or at least match

?

The better opportunities are mostly about winning...not money...right?

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Winning or better quality of life for NBA player = 25% more salary for a customer service rep.

NBA players don't really need to worry about money like that if they choose not to. And also, lets not discount that winning typically leads to more $$: Bigger deal later, more endorsements, higher visibility.

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i want my teams to be good

in fact, i want my teams to show proper appreciation to the players that contribute to success so that other players WANT TO COME HERE lol

after the way the Red Wings did Sergei Fedorov in 2002 (disgusting), theyve whiffed on every major free agent they have tried to sign for the last 16 years. might be a coincidence, but...

after this debacle, whatever cap space TOR has next summer will be absolutely worthless.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

People always start defending themselves when talk about average or general gets thrown out there.

America is racist..."I'm not racist"

My point still stands even if this board is full of people who don't view it that way.

>People always start defending themselves when talk about
>average or general gets thrown out there.
>
>America is racist..."I'm not racist"
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>My point still stands even if this board is full of people who
>don't view it that way.

what are you even talking about?

i replied to someone who is not you, about sports. so...?

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

You'd imagine a tax cut against a higher income bracket (especially if it's way higher) to help out those below would be rated very positively by those who would benefit....but that's not the case. Multiple studies have shown that people are against those tax cuts because they believe they'll one day be in that higher tax bracket, regardless of reality. Hope is a double edged sword...it can lead to some great gains but also completely irrational, impractical beliefs.

Coincidentally when I was reading about this, a few days later I was sitting at Whole Foods and heard a conversation between this kid and the person with him. He was telling her about the tax cuts and how he wasn't for them because he may one day be in that bracket.....then in the next breath he started talking about how he wanted to go to USC as a fine arts major. Good luck getting back to even debt neutral with that 200k debt and fine arts salary lol. Obviously anecdotal but mirrors some of the research

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keep that same energy

not made at Kev leaving
but to the warriors...im salty
had nothing to do with loyalty
competitive balance is a bigger issue with the Durant thing

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cuz fuck these owners and these franchises


as long as the place he chose was fair and square for everybody

if loyalty were the factor there, it wouldnt matter where he signed because leaving OKC would have been the thing ppl cared about

no one cared that he left OKC on its own. tons of ppl actually "empathize" at least, based on the Russ factor.

him going to POR would have been just as "disloyal" as going to GSW, but would have generated a fraction of the attention.

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LMA will easily be the best teammate he ever had, and Murray/DD/Rudy/LMA/Pau is better than any starting lineup he was ever part of.

I dont understand why people pretend like Toronto had 2 stars. They had one last week, and they have one today. The only difference is that their star last week would have actually been happy to play there. Seems like they are betting on Kawhi's Bird Rights being valuable enough to someone to give them something back for it. Dont see that going the way they want it to.

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he's pretty good but if he's one of your top 2 players you ain't getting far.

I honestly put derozan as currently constructed in the same boat tho.

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same as owners.

If you feel loyalty to a team, cool, but it shouldn't be expected and I'm kind of surprised people make it past a certain age still thinking that a team is owed loyalty.

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i attribute it to them not knowing how much money these owners have.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I tend to see comments along the lines of how this is what they signed up for, boo-hoo to the selfish, arrogant and entitled millionaire, why do the need all that money, etc.

I think most who are pro-owner see it along the lines of, hey, we a have a job, and he makes ALL THAT MONEY, suck it up snowflake! Just shut up and do your job!

Then it falls to fallacious shit like "teachers and cops should be making millions, not some guy putting a ball in a hole".

And then, of course, the race factor comes into play. The "some kid a year out if high school gets paid millions to play a game" narrative always seems to focus on NBA players, who are typically black.

Conversely, people who think like this tend to view owners as highly intelligent, hard working business men who earned every dollar, and as Boss, they can do what they want.

Naturally, if anything goes down that their place of work, they'll be 100% pro labor, but, hey, you know, that's different. Because reasons.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

and would absolutely be in the pros right now if only _______ hadn't happened their junior year. They would gladly play the game for free, and this joker's complaining about an extra $3 million?

Every single one of these people is rabidly pro-owner in any conflict, because they see themselves as a Good Employee above all.

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and everyone else who asks for a bigger share of the scraps is greedy and lazy and should find a different job