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"You Keep What You Kill-The 2018/2019 New York Knicks season post"


  

          

The You Keep What You Kill phrase is in reference to coach David Fizdale making all of the players actually compete for starting minutes according to what they show in training camps. I like the strategy to keep the players humble, mainly because the Knicks will likely be trash this season, especially since Porzingis will be out for considerable time. I personally want to see if Fizdale brings some defensive schemes and game planing, as the Knicks have been missing that for the past decade or two. I also hope Fizdale doesn't let individual players just stat pad in the absence of Porzingis as that will develop bad habits for the younger guys on this team.

I suppose it is a bit early to make this post since the roster hasn't fully taken shape yet. I believe I read news that the Pacers signed Kyle O'Quinn, so that's one roster slot the Knicks will have to fill. I'm hoping the front office is patient with this team as it's going to take some years for the Knicks to correct the mistakes of the prior years of blunders.

I'm not paying any attention to rumors of top tier free agents wanting to play for the Knicks next season since I don't see what any top tier players would gain from playing with the Knicks as currently constructed. Patient development of the young talent is how I see the Knicks prospering. Here's to hoping David Fizdale along with the current front office are the men for that job.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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im gonna be a Knicks fan this year
Jul 06th 2018
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Ewww... let's keep the forward momentum going.
Jul 06th 2018
3
      Mudiay and Frank are yrs away from being as good as Burke was
Jul 07th 2018
6
           Hopefully that disgust
Jul 07th 2018
7
                i mean...someone has to score
Jul 07th 2018
8
                     Burke will be a great sixth man. And if Hardaway isn't efficient this y...
Jul 08th 2018
11
                          Hardaway is a good player, but not a star.
Jul 08th 2018
12
                               I should note
Oct 02nd 2018
15
Here.... for the complete rebuild with Coach Fiz
Jul 06th 2018
2
Going to be an enjoyable watch this year
Jul 06th 2018
4
WE AIN'T GETTING ROOKED! (we prolly gonna get rocked, stomped...
Jul 06th 2018
5
Kev Knox letting the league know early
Jul 07th 2018
9
So far, good plan.
Jul 08th 2018
10
O'Quinn: "I wanted to play for something more than next year's draft."
Jul 09th 2018
13
Not mad. I loved his hustle and I hope he comes back.
Oct 02nd 2018
16
Pritchard:: "Oquinn may not play at all"
Oct 03rd 2018
22
      So he may be back next year.
Oct 03rd 2018
23
I only watched the first half of last night's pre-season game
Oct 02nd 2018
14
Its all in Frank's head. I think he wanted to start, but he gotta fight...
Oct 02nd 2018
17
I only watched the second half
Oct 02nd 2018
18
      They will rebound.
Oct 02nd 2018
19
           When they did rebound in the first half
Oct 03rd 2018
20
                RE: When they did rebound in the first half
Oct 03rd 2018
21
I wonder how long Fitz waits before Trier takes Hardaway's minutes.
Oct 03rd 2018
24
Can't believe he wasn't drafted.
Oct 04th 2018
25
During last night's broadcast
Oct 04th 2018
27
His game right now is best as a 6th man
Oct 04th 2018
26
      Yeah, he doesn't need to be a starter. But neither does Hardaway.
Oct 04th 2018
28
      I didn't watch the second halves
Oct 04th 2018
29
           Dotson always seems to get numbers, but is not moving
Oct 08th 2018
30
      Hardaway is so damn inconsistent, and he has the tools.
Oct 08th 2018
31
So I'm reading news on twitter
Oct 16th 2018
32
It was Atlanta, so I am tempering my joy here
Oct 18th 2018
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cgonz00cc
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1. "im gonna be a Knicks fan this year"
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my money is on Burke and Hardaway starting together, and im here for it

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3. "Ewww... let's keep the forward momentum going. "
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6. "Mudiay and Frank are yrs away from being as good as Burke was"
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he was good as a Knick from day 1, and once he became a starter he was REALLY good

might be a blip of course...but might not

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7. "Hopefully that disgust"
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was strictly for Tim Hardaway Jr., as I fear he'll stat pad and detract from the younger players meshing and functioning as a cohesive unit.

Hopefully I am proven wrong though.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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cgonz00cc
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8. "i mean...someone has to score"
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and in the backcourt you have 2 players total who can do that...Burke and Hardaway

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11. "Burke will be a great sixth man. And if Hardaway isn't efficient this y..."
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its over for him.

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cgonz00cc
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12. "Hardaway is a good player, but not a star."
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without Porzingis, who else helped him carry the burden on offense besides Burke?

Super Cool Beas? Courtney Lee?

not a recipe for efficient play

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15. "I should note"
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>Courtney Lee?

the news that Courtney Lee is starting the year banged up already; I believe he suffered a neck injury of some sort in a scrimmage or practice drill. I suppose that means more minutes for the younger guys on the squad.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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2. "Here.... for the complete rebuild with Coach Fiz"
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https://youtu.be/k-ImCpNqbJw

A whole year to experiment.

Let the kids grow. Kevin Knox. French Frankie. Mitchell Robinson. Even Manny Mudiay. Fuck it.

Let them dick around for a year and improve until next season.

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4. "Going to be an enjoyable watch this year "
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We've all been waiting for an eternity for them to try and build with patience, finally

Hopefully Frank gets close to 30mpg. If he didn't get that much better on defense at all he'd still be better than most perimeter defenders (he's gonna get better though). He'll have more freedom on offense now that stupid ass Hornacek is out of there (erratic leash).

Am expecting more lottery obviously, and that is what we should want with Zingis sidelined.

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5. "WE AIN'T GETTING ROOKED! (we prolly gonna get rocked, stomped..."
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etc)

but we ain't getting rooked. And I am here for that. Onward and upward!

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9. "Kev Knox letting the league know early "
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Mitchell is a problem too.

The rebuild is gonna be a blast.

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10. "So far, good plan. "
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Hope Kanter stays, hope Frank takes the next step and we keep Burke as the backup. I like Dotson, and think Trier will be called up and stick if he keeps his head on straight. Robinson could turn out to be the best of the bunch of centers. That would be....great. Knox is hungry and humble. Interesting mix of youth and the right coach. Thought Hornacek would be alright but NY chewed him up. Oh well, we on that new ish.

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13. "O'Quinn: "I wanted to play for something more than next year's draft.""
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https://twitter.com/cliffWISH8/status/1016370299187748866

Harsh but fair.

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16. "Not mad. I loved his hustle and I hope he comes back. "
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22. "Pritchard:: "Oquinn may not play at all""
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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2021/kyle-oquinn

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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23. "So he may be back next year. "
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14. "I only watched the first half of last night's pre-season game"
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but I liked what little I saw from Mitchell Robinson. Very very lanky dude and it appears he can't shoot worth a lick since his free throw shooting is sub-par at best, but he appears to have very good defensive instincts. Then again, this is only from what I saw in the first half, so I could be wrong.

It appears Frank FrenchLastName has in fact gotten bigger, but his game hasn't improved much compared to last year. Dude needs to be way more aggressive on the offensive end to pose as any sort of threat. I hope this dude gets it eventually because he is huge for a point guard. Time will tell I suppose.

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17. "Its all in Frank's head. I think he wanted to start, but he gotta fight..."
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Fitz trying to bring the dog out in him.

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18. "I only watched the second half"
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I liked the ball movement, they couldn't rebound at all. I don't expect a damn thing out of them this year but hope they show some progression.

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19. "They will rebound."
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20. "When they did rebound in the first half"
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I was impressed with the running I saw. Hopefully that will sustain itself in the regular season as it was very rare to see the Knicks get easy transition buckets, at least based on what I've seen in prior seasons.

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21. "RE: When they did rebound in the first half"
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I can see Fitz running with Kanter and either Vonleh or Mitch, and that gives you two bigs to crash the boards and then Knox, Trier, Hardaway, Frank or Mudiay/Burke out running....will give them the ability to push. Its a good start. They will at least be fun to watch this season.

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24. "I wonder how long Fitz waits before Trier takes Hardaway's minutes. "
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Young man got a greasy game.

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25. "Can't believe he wasn't drafted."
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I thought he'd go early second. His game has some flaws, but dude is a dog.

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27. "During last night's broadcast"
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Mike Breen mentioned that he got caught twice for taking PED-like substances and was suspended for a good deal of time in college. That had to raise a few red flags for folks drafting him.

I liked what I saw from him last night, especially the fact he is able to penetrate and drive to the basket rather than just settle for jump shots. I do worry about him going for the path of less resistance and traversing down the PED road if he gets banged up though.

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26. "His game right now is best as a 6th man"
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He can get buckets and be a ball hog. He’s been known to do that since college. As a starter his unwillingness to pass + his ballhogging + poor shot selection as a rookie will be maddening

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28. "Yeah, he doesn't need to be a starter. But neither does Hardaway."
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It's a tough spot for Fiz.

Hopefully by the new year, both Trier and Frankie are getting a majority of the backcourt mins.

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29. "I didn't watch the second halves"
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for either the Nets or Wizards games, but I've read that Damyean Dotson did some productive things on the court in terms of closing out the games. I read he hit some clutch shots and was able to create offense for himself. I didn't watch the games myself, so I have no clue how good of a defender he is.

Should be interesting to see how Fizdale manages the minutes at shooting guard. Of the bunch, I have the least faith in Hardaway, especially given how terrible his contract is.

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30. "Dotson always seems to get numbers, but is not moving "
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into the regular rotation...something is not clicking for him because his status hasn't changed in two seasons.

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31. "Hardaway is so damn inconsistent, and he has the tools."
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He is like a really poor man's Spree.

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32. "So I'm reading news on twitter"
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that Fizdale decided to go with Burke as the starting point guard, Frank FrenchLastName as the starting small forward, and Knox is coming off the bench.


I have to think the fans will be quite displeased. For many a reason. While Knox did disappoint me a ton in the pre-season games, he has to game some tick so that he'll develop as a player.

And just when I thought the news of Joakim Noah would be some sort of positivity.

Meh.

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33. "It was Atlanta, so I am tempering my joy here"
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But I liked what I saw from Frank Ntilikina last night the most out of all the players last night. Defensively he looked solid in terms of playing good team defense, but more importantly, he didn't look timid on the offensive end. He looked like the best of the point guards out there. I still don't know if he's capable to lead the offensive load on his own, but I loved the fact he was able to penetrate and break down the perimeter defense, which will help him to dish off to other players.

I suppose I missed this during the broadcast last night, but was there any definitive news on Mitchell Robinson? I didn't even see if he stepped/landed on someone else's foot to lead to him getting pulled. I hope this injury isn't a serious one because it's going to be key for him to get solid playing time.

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