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"Los Angeles Lakers 2018 Offseason Post, or #letthekidscook"


  

          

I'm going to draw my lines in the sand. I had high hopes for Dlo, and hedged with JC when he showed promise, but not with these guys. I'm bullish. I love this roster.

I think we have all stars in the making.

-BI is going to be a superstar. I've said it before, and I think he'll be at least as good as Jimmy Butler. At minimum. He has every physical gift you could possibly want, and reports are he's already adding some muscle. His jumper, his length, his footwork, his drive to the basket, his offensive toolbox is superb. He's going to be a defensive standout.

Injuries are a concern though, but not overwhelmingly so.

-I think Kuzma is going to prove to be an all-star caliber wing. His offensive game was/is surprisingly refined. I'm calling it now, him vs Tatum is going to be a debate. By all accounts he's got a dog mentality, and I think that's going to serve to elevate him in a big way. He's already showing a propensity for not just taking, but applying advice he's been given, even from outside basketball.

-Zo. He's going to improve on every metric this year. His D is going to take a significant step forward. Offensively, he's the perfect point guard on a team full of dynamic wings, and we have them. He'll probably be more assertive offensively.

-JYJ. RESIGN. Not max, not if we don't have to, but man... get it done. He's a beast.

I think all for, plus Hart, are going to take a significant step forward.

I know, I know, people want that instant gratification. But nah. No. Nada. I hope we whiff on all of the big names. I'd have loved to have added a guy like Cuz, prior to the Achilles, but nah. Not now. Not at the price tag.

I say let the kids cook.

I also say that if we don't, that if we jettison this group, we'll regret it inside of two years. We're not beating a well-oiled, prime time machine like GSW with LBJ, PG, Kawhi and spare parts.

Two years from now, BI and Kuz will be the sort of young, dynamic players teams are clearing space and mortgaging rosters to get. Zo is going to be a point guard's point guard.

We're going to want, if not need, guys like them in two years. And they'll be hitting a stride into their prime at a time when a window opens.

If we swap them out for a bunch of vets that put us in a win-now position, cool. I'll enjoy that ride too, and if we wind up with a chip, even better. I'll gladly eat crow. . But I firmly believe that this team, as the core is presently constructed, will not only be incredibly fun to watch, but greatly improved, for this next season.

Let this hand ride. I've got a good feeling about it.

  

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Thumbs up. All of it, every single bit.
Jun 18th 2018
1
im ready to push the button if we can pull off the trio
Jun 18th 2018
2
Just one thing amazes me, the proportion of fans who DONT want LeBron
Jun 18th 2018
3
It's not delusion, it's just being realistic.
Jun 18th 2018
5
bron + kawhi + pg can go toe to toe with the warriors
Jun 19th 2018
18
Sure, we can play theoretical outcomes all day long.
Jun 19th 2018
20
      be confident. we'd mash their shit in
Jun 19th 2018
24
      Until we don't, lol
Jun 19th 2018
26
           im too confident to consider failure.
Jun 19th 2018
27
      Play the same position? What century of ball are you watching
Jun 20th 2018
36
           Semantics for the sake of brevity.
Jun 20th 2018
37
It's not a sure thing, so let's not even try. OK. Sensible.
Jun 20th 2018
38
      This sentiment is fucking hilarious to me.
Jun 20th 2018
40
      RE: This sentiment is fucking hilarious to me.
Jun 28th 2018
127
      No PG. Still think they shouldn't have made a deal?
Jul 01st 2018
153
           Guess things change.
Jul 02nd 2018
175
                Both teams played hoard.
Jul 06th 2018
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      We won't hit the lottery next year with this same group.
Jun 20th 2018
41
           KYP - know your poster
Jun 21st 2018
45
           Don't go instigating, lol. Me and CC have come such long way over the ye...
Jun 21st 2018
53
           it was a toss up, pretty surprised you picked that as your example
Jun 28th 2018
125
                I picked it bc it's an objective data point that you still skewed
Jun 29th 2018
136
           They are a borderline playoff team but is there a difference betw 8/10?
Jun 28th 2018
126
                It makes a huge difference. It's a process.
Jun 29th 2018
142
over 60 percent of respondents DID NOT want to win-now
Jun 19th 2018
21
^^^ just reads headlines ^^^
Jun 19th 2018
23
The lack of context in a poll like that is problematic
Jun 19th 2018
22
YUP!
Jun 18th 2018
4
Ingram the only untradeable piece imo.
Jun 18th 2018
6
Lol... totally unbiased opinion right?
Jun 19th 2018
7
No such thing, so of course not.
Jun 19th 2018
8
That guy would probably be Kuzma.
Jun 19th 2018
31
      There are a ton of talented scorers in the league.
Jun 19th 2018
32
I don't give a shit about Duke, and Longo is right
Jun 19th 2018
34
trading all that for a guy who wants to sign there anyways?
Jun 19th 2018
double tap
Jun 19th 2018
15
Likely not going to be able to keep Julius...
Jun 19th 2018
9
I think Kuzma can thrive in that Odom-style, bench role...
Jun 19th 2018
14
      that trade gave us flexibility ....but
Jun 19th 2018
29
           He's also stated he wants to play for a playoff team...
Jun 19th 2018
33
If I'm a Laker fan, I try for George this offseason
Jun 19th 2018
10
this is where I'm at too.
Jun 19th 2018
11
He just need aggression to the basket
Jun 19th 2018
17
this year's theme: Leverage...
Jun 19th 2018
12
I'm all in on PG, ambivalent on Bron, cool on Kawhi...
Jun 19th 2018
13
that's pretty much where I am....
Jun 20th 2018
35
This team is heading in the Harden, Russ, KD, OKC direction
Jun 19th 2018
16
This. It may be a lesser version, but I'm good with that
Jun 19th 2018
19
thats mighty presumptuous
Jun 19th 2018
25
We haven't made the playoffs, let alone the Finals.
Jun 19th 2018
28
Jesus Christ; relax.
Jun 19th 2018
30
it could but i don't see any indication of that now
Jun 20th 2018
39
Re: Kawhi...Does anyone think it’s possible that...
Jun 21st 2018
42
....................................................what?
Jun 21st 2018
43
I’ve been of the theory that Kawhi ain’t going to LA
Jun 21st 2018
44
      Yes, that's a crazy thought
Jun 21st 2018
46
      I wouldn’t be surprised
Jun 21st 2018
48
           Pop gives two shits what LeBron wants.
Jun 21st 2018
49
           Pop about to retire
Jun 21st 2018
50
                Doesn't change what I said.
Jun 21st 2018
51
           That's not a basis for a reasonable conclusion
Jun 21st 2018
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                it’s not that crazy
Jun 21st 2018
55
                     The simple application of basic logic is hardly a pile on
Jun 21st 2018
56
      hilarisad.
Jun 21st 2018
47
If Pop isn't interested in send him to LA, he'll end up in Boston
Jun 21st 2018
54
hey, uh...is it cool if i hang with yall for a bit?
Jun 21st 2018
57
Jump on board...throw some coal into the Wagner train
Jun 22nd 2018
63
      it sounds like this was plan A for Magic and Pelinka
Jun 22nd 2018
64
           Stop getting me so (ir)rationally excited
Jun 23rd 2018
66
Love this Wagner pick....
Jun 21st 2018
58
Do you really think that dude will play?
Jun 22nd 2018
60
nah they just like his look and had a couple extra million laying around
Jun 22nd 2018
61
      It's probably what he said after every late pick
Jun 22nd 2018
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           RE: It's probably what he said after every late pick
Jun 25th 2018
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                His skillset really fits the team well.
Jun 25th 2018
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                     if you watch that video at 6:37 that pretty tells you why he won't play....
Jun 26th 2018
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                          Lol, way to cherry pick.
Jun 26th 2018
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                               I saw him play in the tournament and the video YOU posted confirmed...
Jun 26th 2018
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                               So what about the six and a half minutes...
Jun 26th 2018
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                                    IT DOESN"T MATTER! IF you're a liability on defense unless you're...
Jun 27th 2018
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                                         so which games was he bad in?
Jun 27th 2018
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                                         lol...
Jun 27th 2018
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                                              which games? on what are you basing your latest piece of ignorance?
Jun 27th 2018
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                                                   so no games? youre just a dishonest dunce?
Jun 27th 2018
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                                                        In the NBA he'll have tougher assignments than Ethan Happ and Keita...
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                             which games?
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                  so...none games? yoire doing the most having watched the least?
Jun 29th 2018
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                                         Are you not watching games? LOL
Jun 27th 2018
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                                              RE: Are you not watching games? LOL
Jun 27th 2018
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                                                   No shit they're all different players.
Jun 27th 2018
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                                                        Let's just wait and see, I could be wrong but I don't see him being more...
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                             This is actually more reasonable from you.
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                  The NBA is all about small-ball now, last year our starting center Lopez...
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                       He got less minutes...
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                            Wagner is not starting for anybody’s NBA team lol, y’all need to get...
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                                 He needs to be a starter now?
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                                 Did you READ the second sentence of my post?! lol
Jun 28th 2018
109
                                                                                 What second sentence?
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                                 You’re a clown lol...
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                                 And I already answered that...
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                                 RE: And I already answered that...
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                                 14 minute avg, any 35 game stretch.
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                                 RE: 14 minute avg, any 35 game stretch.
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                                 In my haste to shame you....
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                                 thats a W
Jun 28th 2018
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                                                                                 :D :D :D
Jun 28th 2018
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                               also, Michigan has always REALLY emphasized not fouling
Jun 26th 2018
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                                    That's encouraging.
Jun 26th 2018
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                                         hes never going to be a prolific shot blocker
Jun 26th 2018
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RE: Love this Wagner pick....
Jun 25th 2018
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lmao! well of bleacher report says so!
Jun 25th 2018
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      Surprised he didn't link to a Peter Vecsey article
Jun 26th 2018
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He's gotta narrow his focus, specialize. Probably as a stretch 4/5
Jun 28th 2018
128
#GoBlue
Jun 21st 2018
59
Mo's greatest hits
Jun 22nd 2018
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#AnkleBreaker.....
Jun 23rd 2018
67
poor old Nick Ward
Jun 23rd 2018
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love that most of these are against Nassar State
Jun 25th 2018
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      all cultured folks do
Jun 28th 2018
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cloak up. the time has come.
Jun 25th 2018
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lmao Magic...putting it all on the line..
Jun 27th 2018
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I didn't take it that way...
Jun 27th 2018
85
^This
Jun 27th 2018
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basically from the jim buss playbook, just two years instead of three
Jun 28th 2018
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RE: lmao Magic...putting it all on the line..
Jun 27th 2018
89
Just sign Paul George
Jun 27th 2018
88
i just can't believe he's staying in okc
Jun 27th 2018
91
So the Spurs and Lakers are talking allegedly...
Jun 27th 2018
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I still think there's so much smoke and mirrors right now...
Jun 28th 2018
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Of course we’re talking - each team is doing their due diligence
Jun 28th 2018
99
Just sign him next summer
Jun 28th 2018
100
pop isnt fkng with Lavar
Jun 28th 2018
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feels like there’s a media agenda to get a “superteam” in LA
Jun 28th 2018
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That's where I am... with one caveat.
Jun 28th 2018
121
LOL. Three superstars have clear obvious connections to LA.
Jun 28th 2018
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      There’s zero reason to be pressed
Jun 28th 2018
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           maybe, but it's hard to envision this much talent available in the futur...
Jun 28th 2018
130
Laker fans...
Jun 28th 2018
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I'd be okay with that.
Jun 28th 2018
132
far more? no thanks
Jun 28th 2018
133
Tania Ganguli weighs in....
Jun 28th 2018
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Only Longo and Basags may love BI more than I do
Jun 29th 2018
137
That’d be great for LA, but zero chance Pop takes that.
Jun 29th 2018
139
Laker fans are being silly, sorry
Jun 29th 2018
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No way that gets it done.
Jun 29th 2018
145
BI is the last guy I'd give up but simultaneously that isnt enough for K...
Jul 06th 2018
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How the Lakers' 'Genius Series' is helping rebuild their winning culture...
Jun 28th 2018
135
This is unreadably douchey.
Jun 29th 2018
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LOL. Mad about this? Really?
Jun 29th 2018
141
Great read
Jun 29th 2018
144
Shams...
Jun 29th 2018
146
It’s not a surprise. MCL and meniscus are physically connected
Jun 29th 2018
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More reports are confirming the Lakers have NOT offered BI
Jun 29th 2018
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Please don't trade for a player we can have for free next summer! Esp BI
Jun 29th 2018
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LOL, is this a repeat post from last summer?
Jul 01st 2018
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      Yeah I think the "we can sign them next year" is absurd
Jul 01st 2018
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           I think if they get him re-signing him is a minor risk
Jul 06th 2018
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We talkin to Clint Capela...
Jul 01st 2018
150
That would be a nice get
Jul 01st 2018
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chapels is getting a max deal from someone I believe
Jul 01st 2018
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What's "reasonable" to you? He is gonna co$t $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Jul 01st 2018
155
We'd have to structure a poison pill contract to do it
Jul 01st 2018
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no idea how realistic it is....but him and Klay(2019) are my dream signi...
Jul 01st 2018
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Stay. The. Course.
Jul 01st 2018
156
this cracked me up:
Jul 01st 2018
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Bron coming to LA - Woj
Jul 01st 2018
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Lonzo bout to be in Phoenix.
Jul 01st 2018
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Bron in the Cloak.
Jul 01st 2018
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And so it begins.
Jul 01st 2018
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Let’s mfin go fellas!! Let’s gooooooooooooo
Jul 01st 2018
165
I wonder if we can snag CC in a swap for Randle?
Jul 01st 2018
166
Klay has mad e it clear he wants to stay in GS
Jul 01st 2018
168
We've added KCP and Lance Stephenson as well....
Jul 01st 2018
167
+ JaVale
Jul 01st 2018
169
Stephen A: Kuz “untouchable”. Kawhi might sit out. Jeez.
Jul 01st 2018
170
So here's our depth chart as of right now......
Jul 01st 2018
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I think KCP will start at 2, Ingram and Bron will man the forward spots
Jul 02nd 2018
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KCP is a placeholder for Klay
Jul 02nd 2018
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      Please. Klay has the best NBA job next to fired head coach.
Jul 02nd 2018
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           Klay wants his money.
Jul 02nd 2018
226
Randle wants out no?.
Jul 02nd 2018
179
Feeling great about Lebrons ability to attract more players.
Jul 01st 2018
172
lol like who?
Jul 02nd 2018
177
      Lance just came to join LeBron in L.A.
Jul 02nd 2018
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so we're meeting with Tyreeke Evans today...
Jul 02nd 2018
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Meeting with Julius and Tyreke today
Jul 02nd 2018
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#FreeJulius
Jul 02nd 2018
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I honestly love the roster as-is if we land Reke and keep JYJ
Jul 02nd 2018
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Still need a center though
Jul 02nd 2018
183
Bosh stretch 5
Jul 02nd 2018
184
hey we got Mo Wagner!
Jul 02nd 2018
185
Small ball Randle at the 5.
Jul 02nd 2018
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We played a true 5 for less than 20 mins per game last year
Jul 02nd 2018
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      It's different if you have shooters like GSW.
Jul 02nd 2018
189
13-15 is kinda high for a dude that won't start, I think they either fli...
Jul 02nd 2018
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      It's not actually
Jul 02nd 2018
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           RE: It's not actually
Jul 02nd 2018
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                So the LAL pay KCP $12M as a knockoff JR Smith for a year
Jul 05th 2018
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Happy Trails Julius!
Jul 02nd 2018
193
Rajon Rondo : 1 year deal
Jul 02nd 2018
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I dont get that one
Jul 02nd 2018
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      RE: I dont get that one
Jul 02nd 2018
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      Magic applying DAT PRESSURE, Zo had a couple of g-leaguers...
Jul 02nd 2018
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      Right, that don't make any sense.
Jul 02nd 2018
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Hey you guys........
Jul 02nd 2018
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AD just bought a house in LA...
Jul 02nd 2018
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Every millionaire has a house in LA.
Jul 02nd 2018
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      they said the same thing about Bron lol
Jul 02nd 2018
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      If Magic pulls that off I’ll kiss him in the mouth
Jul 02nd 2018
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           sounds about right...hows michael sam doin anyways?
Jul 02nd 2018
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                how Mad are you right now? Rox window slammed shut lol
Jul 02nd 2018
209
this guy right here tho.....
Jul 02nd 2018
202
Woj on SC: We wanted to do a 1 yr deal with Julius
Jul 02nd 2018
203
Good for him. It's time for his career to continue.
Jul 02nd 2018
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Buh Bye
Jul 02nd 2018
206
Understandable for both sides
Jul 02nd 2018
207
Yup and 1 more thing according to Ramona
Jul 02nd 2018
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Good for Ju.
Jul 02nd 2018
214
That lone Lakers game in Boston should be fun.
Jul 02nd 2018
210
Seems destined for xmas
Jul 02nd 2018
213
GOTTA BE
Jul 02nd 2018
223
They will all be fun homie
Jul 02nd 2018
217
So now a revised depth chart....
Jul 02nd 2018
215
we have to wait on kawhi now post-cousins
Jul 02nd 2018
216
Oh holy hell. If Boogie returns healthy this is just plain evil
Jul 02nd 2018
218
Fuck it. Ervin, call Dwight.
Jul 02nd 2018
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Hey... we'll have none of that.... n/m
Jul 02nd 2018
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I apologize. I just had a snickers. I'm better now.
Jul 02nd 2018
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      the same thought crossed my mind for 2.5 seconds...
Jul 02nd 2018
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They're reacting to us we aren't reacting to them.
Jul 02nd 2018
222
Lol that's cute
Jul 02nd 2018
229
no
Jul 02nd 2018
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Surely you know I'm being flippant
Jul 02nd 2018
227
so I'm actually seeing Dwight would want to come back...
Jul 03rd 2018
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      Noooooope. Too many toxic personalities. Fuck Dwight.
Jul 03rd 2018
233
Wagner is looking good out there...
Jul 02nd 2018
228
before the dunk tho he gave Bagley that footwork
Jul 03rd 2018
240
Not sure what the Lakers are doing...
Jul 03rd 2018
231
Long game. That’s all I can think of.
Jul 03rd 2018
232
It's been that all along, that's why Bron signed up for 4 years...
Jul 03rd 2018
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It worries me that you might block the kids
Jul 03rd 2018
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      Something lost in the 1 year deals though
Jul 03rd 2018
250
Lakers need Kawhi *and* AD to be on-par talent-wise w/ GS
Jul 03rd 2018
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      Now we are talking
Jul 03rd 2018
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      GS won't be GS after this season.
Jul 03rd 2018
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           Durant will opt out next summer, join the Lakers
Jul 03rd 2018
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                OR PHILADELPHIA
Jul 03rd 2018
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it was fun while it lasted lakers fans lol.
Jul 03rd 2018
236
these signings are weird af.
Jul 03rd 2018
243
chauncey did 17/6 in the pistons title year
Jul 03rd 2018
244
The Lonzo takes are an easy litmus test
Jul 03rd 2018
245
People have such limited views of basketball skills
Jul 03rd 2018
248
I finally looked at lonzo’s advanced stats yesterday.
Jul 04th 2018
260
not disagreeing with that.
Jul 03rd 2018
247
      chauncey wasnt a "superstar" either tho
Jul 03rd 2018
249
           the diff here is
Jul 03rd 2018
251
you seemed to figure it out for yourself, all are on 1 year deals...
Jul 03rd 2018
246
Larry Coon said SA wants Ingram, Hart, Kuz, two picks, two pick swaps.
Jul 03rd 2018
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Makes sense
Jul 03rd 2018
253
they do realize he's coming off an injury, yes?
Jul 03rd 2018
254
Philly now out of Kawhi race after signing JJ... Lakers should stonewall
Jul 03rd 2018
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they have less and less leverage with each passing second
Jul 04th 2018
261
Do you and 45 have the same fact-checker?
Jul 06th 2018
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Not worth that.
Jul 03rd 2018
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I understand why the spurs would ask
Jul 03rd 2018
257
^^^
Jul 03rd 2018
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For AD yes, for Kawhi hell no lol
Jul 04th 2018
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We don't need to make any more moves.
Jul 04th 2018
262
depends what your goal is.
Jul 04th 2018
263
I'll revise: I wouldn't make any move involving trading BI and Kuz
Jul 04th 2018
265
don't you think the move to the LAL by LeBron signals an end to his
Jul 05th 2018
267
      All reports are that Brawn isn't pressed to win right away.
Jul 05th 2018
268
Agree about nerlens for sure
Jul 04th 2018
264
I still think we need to sign a center...
Jul 06th 2018
273
Mo Wagner obviously wasn't a reach...
Jul 06th 2018
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See... I want to say something snarky, but Rondo is there.
Jul 06th 2018
271
Who said he was a reach? b/w let's not go too crazy
Jul 06th 2018
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based off summer league play?
Jul 06th 2018
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      based on his college career .....
Jul 07th 2018
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      Did you say the same thing about Kuz?
Jul 08th 2018
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           I'm pretty sure I was in wait and see mode at this point
Jul 09th 2018
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                Word, just wondering
Jul 09th 2018
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BONGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jul 06th 2018
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Luke Walton wont make it thru yr one of the LeBron experiment
Jul 09th 2018
281
so how yall like the Mo Wagner experience so far?
Jul 09th 2018
282
The skill-set is all there
Jul 09th 2018
283
the left would get frustrating at times
Jul 09th 2018
284
i love it. it's everything i expected so far.
Jul 09th 2018
289
When's LeBron officially going to sign?
Jul 09th 2018
285
Never, it's all a rouse obviously
Jul 09th 2018
286
are ppl actually scared of that? lol
Jul 09th 2018
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      Never underestimate the stupidity of the average NBA fan
Jul 09th 2018
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Officially did today
Jul 09th 2018
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      He must have seen my post lol
Jul 10th 2018
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      Ingram cheezin
Jul 10th 2018
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           You know that's photoshop right
Jul 10th 2018
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                lol
Jul 10th 2018
299
Svi signed for 3/4.2
Jul 10th 2018
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I'm a skeptic, but he *can* get really hot.
Jul 10th 2018
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We knew he could shoot but he's impressed in all facets
Jul 10th 2018
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wallysmith
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1. "Thumbs up. All of it, every single bit."
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And only way this offseason is a disappointment is if we somehow miss out on PG and give Randle a max contract (20 should be ceiling but 18 feels better).

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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2. "im ready to push the button if we can pull off the trio"
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if we can get pg/bron/kawhi + parts, bring the warriors the fuck on.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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3. "Just one thing amazes me, the proportion of fans who DONT want LeBron"
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Mon Jun-18-18 08:20 PM by ConcreteCharlie

  

          

There was a poll posted by Arash Markazi and over 60 percent of respondents DID NOT want to sign LeBron James. No hedging or qualifiers or context, just yes or no should they sign him.

It's nice to know that delusions are alive and well.

Of the group they have, I like Ingram a lot and think he can be a true centerpiece. The other guys are more in the "solid piece" category but solid pieces are so expensive now that you almost have to pass on that hoping for a bigger star, or at least pick the one you think will pan out better and move the other. Of course if they do pursue the youth movement, they have a couple years to make decisions in Ball and Kuzma.

Still, with no pick this year, it will be a verrrrry tough sell to head into next year with a very similar roster.

One thing we don't know is if all the guys in the FA market are going to team up or there will be some one-off type signings to be made. Bringing in LeBron means going into win-now mode, but let's say he goes to a more established team (Boston, Philly, Milwaukee, whatever). Now they'd have a shot at adding George or Cousins without really disrupting their young core. So the possibilities are many, but I don't think simply staying the course is realistic.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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wallysmith
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5. "It's not delusion, it's just being realistic."
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First off, Lebron is the best player in the league. Bar none. But, like I said in the other post, with Lebron (and PG or PG/KL or some other voltron formation)... do the Lakers beat THIS Warriors team? I'm really not sure.

So is it worth tearing up this young core to try and challenge a historically dominant team at the peak of their powers? Or just wait a single year for another chance at a big FA class, after the intact core gets another shot at cracking the playoffs?

So that Markazi poll is less about Lebron's ability and more about the expectations that comes with him if he's on the team. Because, if he's on the team, the Lakers fail if they don't *win now*. And if the Lakers' core are all 1st/2nd/3rd years... why not wait till next year when the Warriors roster will likely change drastically?

Context matters. If the Warriors weren't THIS GOOD then yeah, getting Lebron makes a whole lot more sense. But saying "no" to Lebron isn't solely because of Lebron.

  

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18. "bron + kawhi + pg can go toe to toe with the warriors"
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the warrors go 5 deep and can't afford to add anyone. meanwhile, those three guys can switch and swallow everything. they're long and ahtletic enough to completely gum up the warriors offense and limit them to isos. basically, they can play houston's defense better than houston.

as a sixers fan, i hope you guys do tell free agents to get lost, because i want to sign them.

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20. "Sure, we can play theoretical outcomes all day long."
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In other scenarios we can't stop them bombing from the outside because our best three players all play the same position. Or somewhere in between and the Lakers still lose to this historic, record breaking Warriors team.

Again, the assets we'd lose for contending this year instead of next year is huge. The last time the Lakers traded for a player in the last year of his contract it didn't work out so well. We waited and didn't trade for Paul George last year, so why not wait out another year for Kawhi?

  

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24. "be confident. we'd mash their shit in "
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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26. "Until we don't, lol"
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Then what

  

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27. "im too confident to consider failure."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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36. "Play the same position? What century of ball are you watching"
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The league has guards, wings, and bigs....there's no more 1-5 positions.

The Warriors kryptonite is a team that can switch everything defensively and forces GS to work on the defensive end, especially Steph when he switches. We saw that with Houston.

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37. "Semantics for the sake of brevity."
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Yes, of course switching is a thing. Luke imported the same system from the Warriors. That post was a response to shelly about whatifs, not a serious analytical debate.

The point of that post wasn't about defensive schemes, it was why trade the core when we can sign key players outright.

  

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38. "It's not a sure thing, so let's not even try. OK. Sensible."
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>First off, Lebron is the best player in the league. Bar
>none. But, like I said in the other post, with Lebron (and PG
>or PG/KL or some other voltron formation)... do the Lakers
>beat THIS Warriors team? I'm really not sure.

They are a fuck of a lot closer than being a lottery team, which they would be again if they return the same group.

>So is it worth tearing up this young core to try and challenge
>a historically dominant team at the peak of their powers? Or
>just wait a single year for another chance at a big FA class,
>after the intact core gets another shot at cracking the
>playoffs?

How much bigger is next year's FA class going to be? LeBron, PG, Boogie, Kawhi and more all potentially in play this year. This is the biggest offseason since 1976, or 1996 at least.

>So that Markazi poll is less about Lebron's ability and more
>about the expectations that comes with him if he's on the
>team. Because, if he's on the team, the Lakers fail if they
>don't *win now*. And if the Lakers' core are all 1st/2nd/3rd
>years... why not wait till next year when the Warriors roster
>will likely change drastically?

The question was simple and unqualified: Do you want the Lakers to sign LeBron James?

>Context matters. If the Warriors weren't THIS GOOD then yeah,
>getting Lebron makes a whole lot more sense. But saying "no"
>to Lebron isn't solely because of Lebron.

Why are they so scary? The Rockets just had them on the ropes. The Spurs could have challenged them last year with a healthy Leonard. They are a great team and a potential dynasty but you can't cowtow to them. Even the '60s Celtics and Showtime Lakers were challenged successfully, and as good as the Dubs are, they aren't as good as those teams were.

I just don't understand the idea that signing LeBron, the fastest track to challenging the Dubs and a guy who managed to beat them just a couple seasons ago, would be met with any resentment. I suspect there are the people who think Kobe could still drop 50 in there and the straight-up LeBron haters but they can't comprise over 60% of the fans. That's just crazy to me. What is the alternative? Signing inferior FAs? Sticking it out with these young guys? Signing inferior FAs next year?

I mean, if guys like Ingram and Ball were up for new contracts, *maybe* I could understand, but they aren't. A LeBron push means, on its face, losing Randle, anything else may or may not happen.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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40. "This sentiment is fucking hilarious to me."
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"It's not a sure thing, so let's not even try. OK. Sensible."

It's so insanely misguided and devoid of context.

Paul George wanted to come to the Lakers last year and by some accounts Ingram would have completed that trade. But he said publicly he wanted to sign with the Lakers... during an offseason where the Lakers could offer him the max.

Kawhi Leonard wants to the come to the Lakers this year and by some accounts Ingram (and/or Kuzma and/or Lonzo) would complete that trade. But he is sorta saying publicly he wants to sign with the Lakers... during an offseason where the Lakers could offer him the max.

> A LeBron push means, on its face, losing Randle, anything else may or may not happen.

Signing both George and Lebron to max contracts necessitates giving up Randle AND trading Deng. How do you get someone to take Deng? By trading assets.


This whole thing is fucking hilarious because the Lakers didn't even make the playoffs this year. Lebron's not even on the team and already you're accusing the Lakers of "cowtow"-ing to the Warriors. The current four best players are all still on (or just came off) rookie contracts and have zero playoff experience. Get some perspective here.

> What is the alternative? Signing inferior FAs? Sticking it out with these young guys? Signing inferior FAs next year?

Sign Paul George and Randle this year? Sign Kawhi or Klay next year? Keep all the young guys? Dunno, sounds pretty good to me.

  

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127. "RE: This sentiment is fucking hilarious to me."
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>"It's not a sure thing, so let's not even try. OK.
>Sensible."
>
>It's so insanely misguided and devoid of context.

It's a pretty accurate summary of this "let's hang onto everyone and not sacrifice anything to get sure talent" approach is what it is.

>Paul George wanted to come to the Lakers last year and by some
>accounts Ingram would have completed that trade. But he said
>publicly he wanted to sign with the Lakers... during an
>offseason where the Lakers could offer him the max.

Remains to be seen if that strategy will pay off or not. If he signs somewhere else, then it was an L, because they could have secured him and very likely extended him. It was a sure thing versus now a wait-and-see thing as LeBron's decision is guaranteed to have a domino effect.

>Kawhi Leonard wants to the come to the Lakers this year and by
>some accounts Ingram (and/or Kuzma and/or Lonzo) would
>complete that trade. But he is sorta saying publicly he wants
>to sign with the Lakers... during an offseason where the
>Lakers could offer him the max.

Sorta, but the Clippers are also on his list and well-positioned to sign him. Some of these rumored deals are ridiculous (Ingram/Hart/Kuzma/1sts/Randle for Kawhi and a shitty contract LMAO) but if they could get a fair deal with say Randle, Ball and another asset, they should take it. It'll be tough to keep Randle anyway with two big-ticket players coming in either this year or next.

>> A LeBron push means, on its face, losing Randle, anything
>else may or may not happen.
>
>Signing both George and Lebron to max contracts necessitates
>giving up Randle AND trading Deng. How do you get someone to
>take Deng? By trading assets.

You wouldn't give up a first-rounder to dump a shitty contract and sign a max player? That's just part of doing business, and they already got saved by the Nets last year in being able to get rid of Mozgov's deal at what may very well turn out to be a net benefit with Kuzma coming from Russell.

>This whole thing is fucking hilarious because the Lakers
>didn't even make the playoffs this year. Lebron's not even on
>the team and already you're accusing the Lakers of
>"cowtow"-ing to the Warriors. The current four best players
>are all still on (or just came off) rookie contracts and have
>zero playoff experience. Get some perspective here.
>
>> What is the alternative? Signing inferior FAs? Sticking it
>out with these young guys? Signing inferior FAs next year?
>
>Sign Paul George and Randle this year? Sign Kawhi or Klay next
>year? Keep all the young guys? Dunno, sounds pretty good to
>me.

Klay is not going anywhere, more 710 ESPN Radio wet dreams there. If they have the opportunity to purse LeBron and/or Kawhi, they should, and they will, just listen to Magic's statements. He understands the mission. You're looking at a scenario where they sign George now, keep all their young guys and sign Leonard next year. Sounds great but probably isn't feasible. If they could sign George and LeBron now they would be in a much better position, if the cost is Randle (for whom they could potentially salvage some asset) and a first-rounder (to dump Deng's deal), so be it. If they don't get LeBron what exactly is attracting George there? They'd be wise to turn their efforts to Leonard at that point. You're making huge assumptions that these guys will sign when their deals are up. It could go the other way completely. OKC remains in the mix for George and if he signs there or really anywhere else, it will have been a bad gamble not to have made a deal for him.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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153. "No PG. Still think they shouldn't have made a deal? "
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There won't be any Kawhi either.

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175. "Guess things change."
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That said, my opinions were predicated on the (obviously wrong) assumption that Paul George was signing for sure.

Not giving up assets for Lebron? Let's fucking go.




(Not gonna lie, I was fucking shitting bricks for a while though)

  

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270. "Both teams played hoard."
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congrats on lebron, interested to see how this all shakes out. for sure he is gonna get that hollywood $$$$$

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41. "We won't hit the lottery next year with this same group. "
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I'm willing to put money on that.

If we wind up starting this season without any of the big free agents and we play next year with Randle, BI, Kuz, and Zo as our core four, we're not hitting the lottery. I guarantee that and I'll put my money where my mouth is.

  

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45. "KYP - know your poster"
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CC is the same dude who said we had a better chance of losing our 3rd worst record draft pick in 2016 than keeping it (top 3 protected that year)...even though the odds of keeping it were objectively better than losing it (55% vs 45%).

That’s the kind of slant he views the Lakers with

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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53. "Don't go instigating, lol. Me and CC have come such long way over the ye..."
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I'm sure he disagrees completely.

I'm bullish enough on this cast that I'm willing to place a good-natured bet on the matter though.

  

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125. "it was a toss up, pretty surprised you picked that as your example"
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given all the shit i have stirred in laker land over the years.

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136. "I picked it bc it's an objective data point that you still skewed"
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There are subjective opinions about players, teams, etc but odds in a lottery are not subjective. You took those non-favorable facts and through your lens still skewed them as somehow in your favor...Fox News spin lol

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126. "They are a borderline playoff team but is there a difference betw 8/10?"
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barely making or barely missing doesn't make much difference. we are talking about being mediocre-ish or going all in, big swing there.

we can revisit the wager once we see how things shake out.

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142. "It makes a huge difference. It's a process. "
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It would be the first major step toward contention of this slow build.

And if this team, as presently constructed is a playoff team next year, that means everyone has showed significant improvement.

Unless you believe that said improvement will be the peak potential of everyone on the roster, that's the sort of team that looks attractive to free agents next year.

Deng would be much easier to jettison, and any of the core players traded would likely have significantly increased value.

I'm all for taking the home run swing, but I'd rather take anothher inning to better load our bases, so that we retain youth and depth when we add that big dog.

And yes, I'm betting that at least one among BI/Kuz/Zo takes a leap in that direction. While I'm actually bullish on all three taking that leap, I think the above scenario is rather conservative and very likely.

I think the current menu is tempting, but not the best path toward long term success.

  

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21. "over 60 percent of respondents DID NOT want to win-now"
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23. "^^^ just reads headlines ^^^"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/19/americans-read-headlines-and-not-much-else/

  

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22. "The lack of context in a poll like that is problematic"
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>There was a poll posted by Arash Markazi and over 60 percent
>of respondents DID NOT want to sign LeBron James. No hedging
>or qualifiers or context, just yes or no should they sign
>him.
>
>It's nice to know that delusions are alive and well.

Not sure how delusion is the reason, without context.

>Of the group they have, I like Ingram a lot and think he can
>be a true centerpiece. The other guys are more in the "solid
>piece" category but solid pieces are so expensive now that you
>almost have to pass on that hoping for a bigger star.

All of this. I'm also a proponent of balance, and I think these are pieces that do, and will continue to, fit well together. And I think they all make a significant step forward this year, Hart included.

>least pick the one you think will pan out better and move the
>other. Of course if they do pursue the youth movement, they
>have a couple years to make decisions in Ball and Kuzma.

This. Part of my issue is that we are selling low right now. Giving them another year does one of two things:

-The core pieces improve and, consequently, the team improves. I think this is a given, but I also think there's a good chance that we take a leap into the playoffs this year. If that's the case, it's even more reason to stay the course.

-The core pieces improve, and, consequently, so does their trade value. If Kuz winds up dropping 20/7/4 w/40% from three, he's a guy who could net a more developed player in his prime without having to give up BI and/or Zo in the process, or be used in a S&T.

But again, if those sorts of results occur, it only makes sense to stay the course, because we'd be very attractive to a guy like, say, Klay next year.

>Still, with no pick this year, it will be a verrrrry tough
>sell to head into next year with a very similar roster.

I don't think so. I think there's plenty of reason to be excited about this team this season if there are no changes at all. I know I am.

>One thing we don't know is if all the guys in the FA market
>are going to team up or there will be some one-off type
>signings to be made. Bringing in LeBron means going into
>win-now mode

Honestly, that's my issue. I'd love to add PG or a similar player, but maintaining an eye toward the future. I don't think it's wise to jump into win now mode right this minute. I think next year is the time to add, and not with subtraction, and I think we'd be better positioned for long term success this way.

Yes, the idea of Brawn & Friends is titillating, but I'm dubious about the outcome and I'd rather gamble on this group of kids. I'm 100% in on them going forward.

but let's say he goes to a more established team
>(Boston, Philly, Milwaukee, whatever). Now they'd have a shot
>at adding George or Cousins without really disrupting their
>young core. So the possibilities are many, but I don't think
>simply staying the course is realistic.

I think it's very realistic, and I think enough of the fan base are in love enough with this team to go forward with what we have.

The more I think about it, I'd rather take a flyer on adding Cuz and a shooter, and keeping the kids.

  

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4. "YUP!"
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--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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6. "Ingram the only untradeable piece imo."
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If you can get a 27 year old Kawhi Leonard for, say, Kuzma, Ball, a S&T Julius, and next year's first, then you pull that trigger in a heartbeat imo. Ingram's the only guy whose ceiling sniffs Leonard's and who has both end potential in an increasingly versatile NBA-- and he's on the rookie deal another few years. It'd take a *lot* to get Pop to trade Kawhi to the Lakers of all places, especially before the season starts.

But if you can't get Leonard at first, cool-- wait that shit out. Sign George, see if you can sign Bron. Leonard will be a free agent after another season IIRC. Especially if PG and Bron are on board, Kawhi will still want to join. Let the Spurs sweat.

But even going in "just adding George" would be pretty tight. A Ball/Ingram/George/Kuzma/Randle lineup would be incredibly versatile and compelling to watch. Zubac and Bryant have potential down low, but they're still young, so just look for a free agent to sign to either an expensive 1-year deal to hold down the fort-- or maybe try to package the 25th and 47th to move up to nab Mitchell Robinson if you think they aren't long-term answers in the paint. If no trade, use those picks wisely-- some wing scorers are available at 25 (I like guys like DiVincenzo, Jerome Robinson, Trent, and Khyri Thomas), and you have some potential backup PG options that could fall to 47 in a perfect world (guys like Duval, Jevon Carter, Tony Carr, Shake Milton).

Without Bron or Kawhi, it's still just a playoff team, not a real contender-- so keep adding and building. Unless you can get Bron and/or Kawhi. In which case, don't fuck around-- do so.

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7. "Lol... totally unbiased opinion right?"
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8. "No such thing, so of course not."
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But I bet the majority of Laker fans would put Ingram atop the untradeable list. If it were for Bron, that’d be one thing, but a beat-up Kawhi who’ll be a free agent after next season and who’s said he wants to come to LA? Cmon. They ain’t winning it all next year without Bron anyway. Only way I trade Ingram is if Bron comes and they can win right away if they deal Ingram for Kawhi. Otherwise, if it’s just PG coming to town, wait it out.

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31. "That guy would probably be Kuzma. "
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There has been no evidence in 2 years that Brandon Ingram is a star let alone a superstar let alone one of the Top 5 (arguably), Top 10 (definitely) players in the league.

So I doubt SA is interested in a Kawhi for Ingram deal.

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32. "There are a ton of talented scorers in the league."
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But Ingram has a maturity in his game that can be quite astonishing because of how young he is.

Ingram should be the most untouchable young player on the roster but the problem is his natural position is shared by all the top FA's associated with the Lakers right now.

  

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34. "I don't give a shit about Duke, and Longo is right"
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"trading all that for a guy who wants to sign there anyways?"


  

          

thats a deal you make for a guy with 3 years left on his contract imo

considering he wants to play there anyways, youre spending ALL that to get him one year earlier when your core is under 23?

not worth it to me

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15. "double tap"
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9. "Likely not going to be able to keep Julius..."
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thing is that other teams are going to be able to offer him a more featured role than the Lakers will be. Plus with Kuzma there..if he plays the 4...you have a bit of a log jam if you keep Julius.... Julius can play small ball center, but that's not going to be his primary spot..

if you move Kuz to the 3 and move BI to the 2 so that Randle can play the 4.... then your potential Free Agent signings over the next couple years potentially...where are they going to play???

Do you bring Kuzma off the bench? You're not going to bring Randle off the bench because even if other teams don't make him a featured guy...they certainly got a starting spot for him...

Julius really played well as the year progressed..he even played some defense last year..

but he's likely gone.... We have a ton of flexibility with what we can do, but I wouldn't expect Julius to compromise for that now that he's a free agent

  

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14. "I think Kuzma can thrive in that Odom-style, bench role..."
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Doesn't start but still gets 30+ minutes and will likely close the game.

Edit: I'm still convinced the reason we traded Nance/Clarkson is to give us the ability to resign Randle without sacrificing our big FA plans. He was a top 15 player in the league during that second half and *consistent* at that.

How many other big men can initiate the offense, hit 60% in the post, get 20/10/4 and shut down guards on defense?

Forgetting Randle in all this FA frenzy would be a really, really foolish thing to do.

  

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29. "that trade gave us flexibility ....but "
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I just think the offers Jules will get ...not just the money..but as far as a lead roll on another team...that's going to be too much for him to turn down...

IF we don't get 2 of the top FA's this year.... then I could see Randle being a solid plan B for us

  

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33. "He's also stated he wants to play for a playoff team..."
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and that he wants to stay here. The teams with the most space other than the Lakers are (IIRC) Atlanta, Chicago and Dallas.

Hopefully it's not just the money with him, but I think 18-20m for 4 years would be worth it for the Lakers (and I feel could be viewed as a huge bargain once the contract is played out).

And Randle isn't a "Plan B" if we just sign George. Keeping him should absolutely be a priority for the team.

  

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10. "If I'm a Laker fan, I try for George this offseason"
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and wait out Kawhi for the next. Those two + your core + possible destruction of the Warriors = Cloak Money

LeBron comes over there, your team will be blown up. I don't think it's worth it, right now to do it. Boston is looming once the Warriors fall off. An unseen team may rise. the Lakers can stockpile and destroy once the doors are all the way open.

  

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11. "this is where I'm at too."
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I'm not a big fan of Zo tho, but willing to let him have some time to build along with the rest.

nah, you trippin

  

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17. "He just need aggression to the basket"
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5 layups and 5 floor shots could have him averaging 18 and 10.

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12. "this year's theme: Leverage..."
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..a solid young core with plenty of potential.

In a perfect world, the Lakers would exercise patience, pursue PG, re-sign JYJ, and continue building a contender at a steady pace.

Unfortunately, this isn't that.

As such, the Lakers will likely pursue a deal that will make them contenders immediately, while sacrificing everything they've worked so hard to correct over the past 4 yrs.

such is life.


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13. "I'm all in on PG, ambivalent on Bron, cool on Kawhi..."
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I like PG, great 2 way player still in his prime, can score from all levels and a plus defender. Also seems to be a great character guy I've never heard anything negative about him off the court.

If Bron wants to come and sign a long term deal and finish his career as a Laker I'm all for it. But if he wants to continue the mercenary route and sign one year deals and hold the franchise hostage every year waiting on his "Decision" then fuck that.

Like other people have said I'd rather wait and see on Kawhi. Is he actually healthy? When was the last time someone actually saw him work out? Are we 100% sure he can get back to being the player he was?

As far as other free agents I'd like to see us have a legit rim-protector. Maybe kick the tires on DeAndre Jordan to see if he's interesting in staying in LA on a reasonable deal.

As far is our guys I like Julius but think he's best suited for a 6th man role but I think he wants to be "the man". We may have to part ways with him, maybe do a sign and trade and get something back.

Let the rest of the young guys cook.Ingram should be making and huge leap in year 3 if he really is what people think he is. Hopefully Lonzo is spending as much time in the gym as he is in the studio working on the jumper. Kuz needs to stay hungry and continue to develop.

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35. "that's pretty much where I am...."
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getting PG without trading any youngsters is a way better move than getting Kawhi and losing BI and/or Kuz for him...…




  

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16. "This team is heading in the Harden, Russ, KD, OKC direction"
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I really hope they don't mess it up.

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19. "This. It may be a lesser version, but I'm good with that"
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25. "thats mighty presumptuous"
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28. "We haven't made the playoffs, let alone the Finals."
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So...no.

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30. "Jesus Christ; relax. "
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39. "it could but i don't see any indication of that now"
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certainly i wouldnt be concerned that these guys can't play together, all three are versatile. lebron is basically a one, kawhi can play three spots, george can get in where he fits in. zero concern there whereas with OKC the problem was overlap between melo and PG, also the fact that melo is washed and russy can't seem to get out of AI mode (maybe he shouldn't either lol).

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42. "Re: Kawhi...Does anyone think it’s possible that..."
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Lebron is reaching out to Pop saying “I need y’all to trade him to LA”

Between the Warriors dominance and Lebron’s legacy being bigger than the league, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility for him to manufacturing this super team despite people saying Pop will never trade Kawhi to LA.

  

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43. "....................................................what?"
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44. "I’ve been of the theory that Kawhi ain’t going to LA"
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Part of me thinks that teams won’t offer Spurs shit because they would only be renting Kawhi for the year but then part of me thinks, Spurs ain’t trading Kawhi where he wants to go.

But now I’m thinking, does Lebron have the kind of pull to influence the Spurs to trade Kawhi to LA for his sake of winning championships and knocking off the Warriors?

Maybe that’s a crazy thought *shrugs*

  

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46. "Yes, that's a crazy thought"
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>But now I’m thinking, does Lebron have the kind of pull to
>influence the Spurs to trade Kawhi to LA for his sake of
>winning championships and knocking off the Warriors?
>
>Maybe that’s a crazy thought *shrugs*

  

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48. "I wouldn’t be surprised "
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*shrugs*

  

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49. "Pop gives two shits what LeBron wants. "
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This is reaching flat earth levels of tin foil hat foolishness.

  

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50. "Pop about to retire "
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51. "Doesn't change what I said. "
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52. "That's not a basis for a reasonable conclusion"
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I wouldn't be surprised!
Could be!
You never know!
Anything can happen!

These are all phrases that still require some logical foundation before getting to the point where you use them.

It's reasonable to say you wouldn't be surprised if Lebron joins the Lakers, because there exists a set of circumstances that make that a plausible landing place for him.

It's batshit to say you wouldn't be surprised if Lebron has enough pull with the Spurs to get their notoriously no-nonsense coach to tell their historically competent GM to trade their generationally talented, two-way unicorn MVP caliber star to their greatest conference rival for the benefit of the legacy of a player they've beaten twice for the title.

That this has to be explained to anyone in such detail is one of the great, mind-boggling absurdities we've ever seen in OKS.

  

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55. "it’s not that crazy "
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You trying to pile on like the shit isn’t possible.

People do shit like this all the time.

  

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56. "The simple application of basic logic is hardly a pile on"
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>You trying to pile on like the shit isn’t possible.

Possible?

How about probable?
Likely?
Reasonably certain?

I mean, I'm talking like there's no sound, logical foundation upon which you've built this "theory". If you have some framework, some thread to follow to give creedence, then by all means.

>People do shit like this all the time.

Cool, so it should be very simple for you to point to multiple examples of situations similar to yours, where player X convinces coach A from team B to convince gm C to trade superstar player Y to their rival, team D, for the benefit of the legacy of player X, against whom they have a 2-0 Finals record.

As it stands, you're "just throwing it out there", and if Chris Broussard can be mercilessly ridiculed for such hack journalist tactics... you can at least be challenged on the logic of yours.

But again, if you have something factual to point to, this should be easy. Up to and until then, it's just lunacy. "I wouldn't be surprised" and "it happens all the time" are just assertions.

So I assume you have information, yes?

  

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47. "hilarisad."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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54. "If Pop isn't interested in send him to LA, he'll end up in Boston"
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Ainge has the assets (kings pick, young talent, vet talent). Kawhi would probably stay also if they made the finals (likely).

I still think Brown or Tatum, Kings pick and either Smart or Rozier (resigned and traded) is what moves him to Boston.

It dislodges the jam on the wing, upgrades them and allows them to keep Kyrie and Hayward.

They'll roll out:

Kyrie
Kawhi
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Tatum or Brown
Horford

as the starters...have some height on the bench for bigger teams and dominate the east next yr.

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57. "hey, uh...is it cool if i hang with yall for a bit?"
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63. "Jump on board...throw some coal into the Wagner train"
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He fits really well into everything we want on the floor and off the floor

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64. "it sounds like this was plan A for Magic and Pelinka "
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Michigan's 247 posted an article i cant find anymore, but it sounds like they fell in love with him right off the bat. tbh, he and Magic are like kindred spirits. they both have some je ne sais quoi while they're on the court because theyre the ones having the most fun.

i cant remember being this invested in a player's success, but he makes you want him to win just by being who he is...kinda like Magic.

but to bring it back to empiricism, Mo faced Bamba, Jaren Jackson x2, Omari Spellman, Robert Williams last year, all on the road road or neutral, 3 in postseason play.

Mo did 18/5 with 5 total steals in those games (outlier 10/3 vs Mo Bamba after rolling his ankle with 8min to play up 14) with a 52/43/86 slash line (outlier 1-7 from deep vs MSU in B1G tourney). He scored more and shot better against those guys than he did for his season average. Michigan went 4-1.

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66. "Stop getting me so (ir)rationally excited"
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58. "Love this Wagner pick...."
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we need better 3 point shooting...and with Nance gone....Julius maybe gone...we need depth at the 4...and Mortiz is a tough dude with some offensive game....

  

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60. "Do you really think that dude will play?"
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61. "nah they just like his look and had a couple extra million laying around"
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62. "It's probably what he said after every late pick"
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Our track record speaks for itself - Nance, Clarkson, Kuzma, Hart, Zubac, Thomas Bryant

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69. "RE: It's probably what he said after every late pick"
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>Our track record speaks for itself - Nance, Clarkson, Kuzma,
>Hart, Zubac, Thomas Bryant

seriously? Nance and Clarkson got run here on a lottery team but after a few games were considered trash on a playoff team lol. Kuz is solid, Josh Hart is just a guy, and wtf have Zubac and Thomas Bryant done?

I don't see Wagner being a rotational player on a good team.

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74. "His skillset really fits the team well. "
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And a lot of his weaknesses can be fixed over time:

https://youtu.be/XD_yukjI_cQ

  

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75. "if you watch that video at 6:37 that pretty tells you why he won't play...."
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>And a lot of his weaknesses can be fixed over time:
>
>https://youtu.be/XD_yukjI_cQ

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76. "Lol, way to cherry pick."
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Sad how you're so clingy to your uninformed narrative when the counterfactual is literally right there.

  

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77. "I saw him play in the tournament and the video YOU posted confirmed..."
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what I saw.

He's a liability on defense, and his offense isn't good enough to outweigh that liability.

Welcome to the NBA.

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79. "So what about the six and a half minutes... "
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... before the cherry-picked timestamp?

If you want to use evidence from the video, you need to acknowledge the *whoooole* video.

  

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84. "IT DOESN"T MATTER! IF you're a liability on defense unless you're..."
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scoring 25-30 on the offensive end you're not going to play a lot in the NBA point blank period not on a good team anyway.

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86. "so which games was he bad in?"
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because his DRTG was 3rd in the big 10

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92. "lol..."
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>because his DRTG was 3rd in the big 10
>
>

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94. "which games? on what are you basing your latest piece of ignorance?"
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97. "so no games? youre just a dishonest dunce?"
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103. "In the NBA he'll have tougher assignments than Ethan Happ and Keita..."
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Bates-Diop dumbass lol

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107. "which games?"
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140. "so...none games? yoire doing the most having watched the least?"
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this is why everyone makes fun of you all the time lmao

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90. "Are you not watching games? LOL"
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Scheme matters. Randle, Lopez and Lonzo were all considered to be below average defenders coming into the season and all did GREAT defensively for the Lakers.

If he fucks up, he'll get pulled, same as Kuzma. But his upside on the offensive end is too enticing when his defensive deficiencies (at this time) can mostly be worked on.

  

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93. "RE: Are you not watching games? LOL"
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>Scheme matters. Randle, Lopez and Lonzo were all considered
>to be below average defenders coming into the season and all
>did GREAT defensively for the Lakers.

Those guys are all different players, Randle gets bodied by legit post guys but he hustles enough to stay in from of perimeter guys as a "small ball" center in the Lakers switch everything defense. Lopez gives you some rim-protection but he's so slow footed if he gets pulled away from the basket he's not getting back. Lonzo is a big guard that knows how to use his length to his advantage.

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95. "No shit they're all different players."
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My point is they were all perceived as weak defensively until this season, when defense was obviously the focal point since the beginning... ie, overall team defense can help cover individual weaknesses.

Now you want to address the other parts of his game or what

  

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101. "Let's just wait and see, I could be wrong but I don't see him being more..."
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that a 3rd string center, I don't think he's better than Zubac and Zubac is not a starter lol

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102. "This is actually more reasonable from you."
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That said, Zubac doesn't have an outside shot. One reason we targeted Lopez is because he can shoot. So there's a reason why we got two shooters in the draft.

Defense can be worked on, but you're conveniently forgetting that we SORELY lacked consistent outside shooting last season.

  

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104. "The NBA is all about small-ball now, last year our starting center Lopez..."
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only played like 23mpg. Its all about players that can play and defend multiple positions or rim-protectors which Wagner is neither. If you're a big man unless you're extremely talented on one or both ends of the floor you're just not going to play a lot. Look at Ryan Anderson in Houston he was all but phased out by the end of the season in Houston.

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105. "He got less minutes..."
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... because a lot of those went to Randle to close games. But he *started* those games because he could shoot. Having a center that can hit the 3 is.. pretty valuable?

I find it telling that you still have yet to acknowledge we drafted to fill THE glaring weakness of the team.

  

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106. "Wagner is not starting for anybody’s NBA team lol, y’all need to get..."
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out your feelings.

He’s a backup at best and how many minutes do you think backup centers get in today’s NBA? People are always asking me about watching games, what games are y’all watching?

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108. "He needs to be a starter now? "
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This thread was about you asking "Do you really think this dude will play?"

It was never about "being the starter"

Dude got drafted because he's a smart, heady player that can shoot. That's more than enough to earn his way to get at least spot minutes his rookie season, with potential for more later.

You're the one moving the goalposts here.

I don't watch any college bball so I have no agenda with this dude. Don't give a fuck about Michigan either.

But I basically consider Laker Film Room as gospel and if he's high on the guy then I'm all for him.

  

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109. "Did you READ the second sentence of my post?! lol"
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110. "What second sentence?"
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You've got second sentences everywhere. Or is it about Zubac? LOL

I'll put $100 on it right now that he'll get more tick than Zubac for the Lakers.


But either way, you could be wrong about his defense and you have yet to acknowledge his offense. And it's obvious you're deflecting because that's the actual reason why the Lakers drafted him.

It's hilarious how deep into a corner you've painted yourself. I can go all day.

  

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112. "You’re a clown lol..."
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>You've got second sentences everywhere. Or is it about
>Zubac? LOL
>
>I'll put $100 on it right now that he'll get more tick than
>Zubac for the Lakers.
>
>
>But either way, you could be wrong about his defense and you
>have yet to acknowledge his offense. And it's obvious you're
>deflecting because that's the actual reason why the Lakers
>drafted him.
>
>It's hilarious how deep into a corner you've painted yourself.
> I can go all day.

Go all the back to post #60, my original question was “how much is he going to play?”

That’s the same question I’m asking 50 posts later lol

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113. "And I already answered that..."
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"Dude got drafted because he's a smart, heady player that can shoot. That's more than enough to earn his way to get at least spot minutes his rookie season, with potential for more later."

$100 says he becomes a rotational player for the Lakers.

  

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114. "RE: And I already answered that..."
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>"Dude got drafted because he's a smart, heady player that can
>shoot. That's more than enough to earn his way to get at least
>spot minutes his rookie season, with potential for more
>later."
>
>$100 says he becomes a rotational player for the Lakers.

Define “rotational”, how many mpg?

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116. "14 minute avg, any 35 game stretch."
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Brewer and Ennis were under 13, Caruso was at 15.

  

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117. "RE: 14 minute avg, any 35 game stretch."
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>Brewer and Ennis were under 13, Caruso was at 15.

bet.

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119. "In my haste to shame you...."
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I'm reconsidering my decisions, lol.

But a bet's a bet, we're on.

  

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120. "thats a W"
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123. ":D :D :D"
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78. "also, Michigan has always REALLY emphasized not fouling"
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Michigan has never had a player under Beilein who was coached to gather help-blocks, and the last time Michigan was top 100 in team blocks was his first year (with Ekpe Udoh)

meanwhile they are almost always top 10 in fewest fouls

all that is to say that a significant portion of all of his defensive issues was him being coached to scheme. it was better for Michigan for Mo NOT to foul giving help than to give up a basket in almost every situation.

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80. "That's encouraging."
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What I thought notable from LFR's breakdown is that all his defensive weaknesses can be fixed through scheme.

Guys that were expected to be weak defensively last year (Lonzo, Randle, Lopez) took major leaps forward because of the improved defensive scheme.

  

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81. "hes never going to be a prolific shot blocker"
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in fact his defFG% at the rim will probably top out at average

but nobody was ever going to draft him for that anyways. besides... 3>2

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70. "RE: Love this Wagner pick...."
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https://lakeshowlife.com/2018/06/24/los-angeles-lakers-selection-moritz-wagner-named-reach-nba-draft/

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72. "lmao! well of bleacher report says so!"
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i especially like the part about his foot quickness

https://twitter.com/DefPenHoops/status/997598256069832705?s=09

go ahead and play around with this

https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-strength-agility/#!?sort=THREE_QUARTER_SPRINT&dir=-1&SeasonYear=2018-19

faster shuttle than hamidou diallo, and i dont see anyone talking about fat ass Omari Spellman's foot speed 🤔

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82. "Surprised he didn't link to a Peter Vecsey article"
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128. "He's gotta narrow his focus, specialize. Probably as a stretch 4/5"
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He has some stuff to overcome but he could have a long (I dunno about good) pro career.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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59. "#GoBlue"
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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65. "Mo's greatest hits"
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https://twitter.com/NBALakersNation/status/1009983031858249728?s=09

that 0:55 mark...that sweet sweet 0:55 mark.

and poor sparty. Mo really copped a squat on them at Breslin this yeat.

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67. "#AnkleBreaker....."
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we took a dump on Sparty @ Breslin and in the B1G tourney... fuck dem bums..
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68. "poor old Nick Ward"
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i said when Mo declared that Ward got his first good night's sleep in a year

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73. "love that most of these are against Nassar State"
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(between Connor Cook and Donkeylips I have some hate for them now)

  

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111. "all cultured folks do"
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71. "cloak up. the time has come."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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83. "lmao Magic...putting it all on the line.."
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if i cant get top free agents this summer or next summer..i'm done... wtf is this shit? so if you cant snag Bron +1...you gone? what kind of GM does this? well if i cant get one of the best players ever..im not going to put in the real work to build a winning team... i'm done..

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85. "I didn't take it that way..."
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I thought he meant just big time names, in general...not simply Bron. Like...if he can't get big time players to come to the Lakers, this summer or next, when there will be a ton of them available, he'll bounce. I like what he said. Dude was like "I've played in 9 Finals...I'm Magic Johnson...I'm gone do my job". That's boss as shit.

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87. "^This"
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like, he's Magic Johnson...if he can't get players to sign with the Lakers, then he's not the guy for the job. I respect him taking accountability.

"Dressed up like an evil villain dressed up like a soccer dad"

  

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129. "basically from the jim buss playbook, just two years instead of three"
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or whatever buss said.

there was a decent read on the athletic about it, that it's arbitrary and pointless to impose these timelines. i suspect it's to keep the fans engaged, i guess at least

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89. "RE: lmao Magic...putting it all on the line.."
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>what kind of GM does this?

A GM that already has a verbal commitment or 2.

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88. "Just sign Paul George"
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no need to go do anything crazy to sign/acquire anyone else.

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91. "i just can't believe he's staying in okc"
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i know woj, windy, and ramona are completely plugged into the situation. i still think he's going to the lakers.

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96. "So the Spurs and Lakers are talking allegedly..."
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and there's word that Magic is trying to get a 1st round pick from someone to add to the pot for Leonard..


I can't imagined we'd include both Kuzma and BI.... and I honestly wouldn't trade either one of them....

of our youngsters, Lonzo would be the one I'd move before anyone else..... Maybe you add a 3rd team that would take Lonzo…

but either way.....

if the Spurs don't take Julius, Hart, Mo, and 2 first round picks..... they can kick rocks...

  

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98. "I still think there's so much smoke and mirrors right now..."
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... browse /r/nba and /r/lakers by 'rising' and the creative narratives are going wild. You can spin any little thing any which way.

I would be shocked if the Lakers went all out for Kawhi... I can see any one of the core four but trading two (and losing Randle) would be too much. Not in terms of value but in leverage. Considering Plan B is just signing PG and Randle and signing Kawhi outright next year? That's been the oldest, and least disruptive, plan all along. No reason to get jumpy here.

  

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99. "Of course we’re talking - each team is doing their due diligence "
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And if you’re actually trying to build an effective team, Lonzo is the last guy you wanna move. Effective without a high usage rate, already one of the best defensive guards in the league, and would now have 2 horses on the wings with Bron and Kawhi.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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100. "Just sign him next summer"
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There’s zero reason to feel any pressure to make moves this summer.

  

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115. "pop isnt fkng with Lavar"
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---------------------------------

So i'm smokin on this cactus, bangin Fat Patrick
hustla til i die baby grindin like a savage
pimp game sweet, breakin ankles and feet
cuz these hoes break they toes til they job complete

H-Town made L.A. paid

  

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118. "feels like there’s a media agenda to get a “superteam” in LA"
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and they aren’t reporting anything factual.

The Lakers have absolutely zero reason to be desperate to do anything right now.

Loaded with young talent and cap space....they don’t have to give up all their young assets to get some stars. They can just sign them outright...if not this year, then next year.

  

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121. "That's where I am... with one caveat."
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Get PG, and tell Bron that they're getting Kawhi next year-- and if for whatever reason, Kawhi backs out of wanting to be in LA, then fuck it, someone else-- Lakers will *always* be a draw.

A roster of (assuming Randle gets more money elsewhere) Ball, Ingram, Bron, PG, Zubac, Kuzma, Hart, Wagner, with room to get some one-year vet deals, theoretically more first-round picks in the future (albeit low ones, but they've done well there) and saving space to get Kawhi the following year? I mean, that's a very nice setup for Bron's golden years imo.

Whereas if you have to deal a ton of assets and picks to get Kawhi, and instead you go forward with Ball/PG/Bron/Kawhi and whichever one-year vet deals... it's obviously an upgrade for Bron, but the last year in Cleveland should've taught Bron that depth of talent is *really* important. Also, Ingram will have just turned 21, has multiple years left on a rookie deal, Kuzma has multiple years left on a rookie deal, Ball, Wagner... I think Ingram is *easily* good enough today to be the third best player on a title contender.

The caveat, of course, is that nothing is guaranteed in this league, so say Bron or PG blows out a knee, or say Kawhi likes wherever else he gets traded, or whatever else could happen that would fuck up the best-laid plans... I understand the people who want to make moves *now.* It just feels like they'd have to pay a steep, steep price, and they could very easily be left with a three-stud, no-depth scenario in a difficult West.

I think the team *without* adding Kawhi next year, assuming they got PG and Bron and lost nobody major, is still good enough for a Top 3 seed in the West, and I'm not sure with Kawhi but losing their entire depth that projection changes *too* much (maybe up to Top 2 seed?). Maybe they don't make the Finals next year without Kawhi... but you may not make them with him either, *and* you put Bron in a long-term good situation, with lots of supporting help and young talent around him, with the money to add another piece either this season or next, if he really wants Kawhi to round out that Big 3.

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122. "LOL. Three superstars have clear obvious connections to LA. "
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And it's a media agenda. Jesus Christ.

  

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124. "There’s zero reason to be pressed"
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Lakers are loaded with young talent and cap space....they don’t have to trade everybody with a pulse. They can just sign stars outright when the fit and timing are right.

Media trying to make it like they got to do it NOW and give up everybody to do it. They don’t.

  

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130. "maybe, but it's hard to envision this much talent available in the futur..."
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this is a potentially historic offseason, in terms of player movement it could be the biggest since the ABA-NBA merger 42 years ago.

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131. "Laker fans..."
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not reporting anything, just wondering how you feel about this:
https://twitter.com/Trevor_Lane/status/1012390305713172481

<<<< the Tate-over, ya breaks over

  

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132. "I'd be okay with that."
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Of course, Kawhi's health is a concern, and it's a gamble because Ingram is special...but you take the known asset, I think.

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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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133. "far more? no thanks "
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134. "Tania Ganguli weighs in...."
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https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1012497343059333120

"A small update on where things stand with the Lakers and trade talks. A league source tells me that so far the Lakers haven't offered Brandon Ingram in any deals."

"There's also a difference between being willing to include him and actually making an offer that includes him. When push comes to shove, would they trade Ingram if that's what it took to get Leonard? I believe so."


As for your question.... uuuurrrggh, it would hurt, but it's well more than reasonable. I think any combination where we lose any two from Ingram/Kuzma/Ball/Randle (via renounce) is too much (with the very big assumption that Kawhi would sign with the Lakers next year).




And, honestly... Kawhi may just want to be in LA. The Clippers could be dark horses in all this.

  

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137. "Only Longo and Basags may love BI more than I do"
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and that's still an instant yes.

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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139. "That’d be great for LA, but zero chance Pop takes that."
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He’s gonna ask for at least two more players. Maybe a pick too. He wants LA to bleed if he’s gonna give em Kawhi.

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143. "Laker fans are being silly, sorry"
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You guys are drastically over-rating your
“Young talent”

If you have a legit shot at a combo of Bron, Kawhi,
and/or PG you take it.

As far as Kawhi specifically, before he got hurt
he was a top 3-4 player in the league and
improving.

I know the injury makes things dicey, but Laker
fans need a shot of reality. This current group
isn’t going to be truly competitive any time soon,
if at all.

If you gotta lose BI, Randle, and Lonzo’s over-rated
ass, you do it in a heart beat.

  

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145. "No way that gets it done. "
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272. "BI is the last guy I'd give up but simultaneously that isnt enough for K..."
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Not a Lakers (obviously) but I don't think that's a great deal for either team though it's not illogical. From SA's perspective they get a starting forward of the future and another asset, albeit not a particularly valuable one. From LA's standpoint, they accelerate their process.

The problems are though that from SA's standpoint they don't just need to replace one player, they need to change the direction of their whole organization. Their roster is old as shit and they need at least two solid pieces to go forward with and they could probably stand to tidy up their books a little, too. Ideally they would get three pieces--a firm one and two with good enough potential that one would work out--and maybe some peripheral benefit (e.g. dumping a contract), but that may be getting greedy.

From the Lakers' standpoint they deal the guy who might be the most talented player and the closest to breaking out in their young group. That'd be fine if they were trading for LeBron or Giannis, but Leonard, though a similar caliber player, has some question marks surrounding him. One year left on his deal, just had a serious injury, just had a falling out with his previous organization, etc. Not the kind of sure bet you'd be hoping for.

Personally I would not be that attached to Kuzma if the Spurs want him (and I'd move Ball before BI) and while they have been burned overpaying in futures before, LeBron's presence pretty well ensures picking in the bottom third of the draft for a while.

It all depends on the competing offers, too, of course. One thing I find interesting is that since Leonard has become the biggest fish by far in this market, there have been some guys talking trade or departure suddenly (Butler, Lillard) and obviously the guys up for new deals next year are always at least a remote possibility. That could be hurting his value, especially with the Lakers, Sixers, Mavs, Clippers and Knicks all well-positioned for next year, among others. LA, Philly and I guess Dallas *could* make a big move now, but they don't have to.

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135. "How the Lakers' 'Genius Series' is helping rebuild their winning culture..."
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Siiiiiiick.... Looooove this shit. Really fun stuff.


(please don't trade them... sigh)


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23929488/los-angeles-lakers-use-celebrity-speaker-series-promote-culture-success

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- Seated in comfortable gray leather chairs in the team's state-of-the-art film room, Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma, Brook Lopez and the Los Angeles Lakers are captivated by the scene in front of them.

The speaker at the front of the room is cursing -- a lot -- and begins pounding on the wall. No, this wasn't an irate Luke Walton reprimanding his inexperienced rookies for taking selfish shots, nor was this Magic Johnson trying to fire up his young team with a charismatic speech straight out of the Showtime era.

On this March day, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is holding court at the Lakers' training facility, and Hollywood's biggest action-film star is commanding the Lakers' attention like he once did with sold-out arenas as WWE's biggest and most entertaining draw.

The Rock walks over to the wall between a flat-screen television and a projector screen and places his right hand flat on it before knocking on the wall a couple of times.

Then Johnson rests his muscular back against the wall.

"This is what works for me," Johnson tells everyone of how he starts every morning. "Excuse my language, my back is up against this m-----f----- ... every day. It's against this m-----f----- because that's what I believe in, and when my back is against this m-----f-----, then there's nowhere to go ... but that way."

Johnson points both his index fingers forward, then continues his 30-minute-plus motivational talk, delivering the kind of insight that Fortune 500 companies pay big money to successful personalities to impart upon their leaders and employees. This past season, the Lakers brought in their own All-Star cast of movers and shakers in Johnson, Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, Hollywood heavyweight Jeffrey Katzenberg and Olympic and world champion sprinter Allyson Felix to share the secrets to their success as part of the "Los Angeles Lakers Genius Series."

Not only did some of the world's brightest help inspire young Lakers such as Brandon Ingram, but the Lakers' brass credits the series with helping transform Kuzma's body and Ball's diet, and even aiding the front office with further identifying the type of winning player the Lakers look to add as they try to return to NBA prominence.


Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka and team president of basketball operations Magic Johnson have been trying to restore the team's culture as they rebuild the roster. The duo sometimes leans on what they refer to as "Lakers DNA" -- core pillars and characteristics they look for in players to add to their rebuild. Among those traits are a high basketball IQ, a healthy obsession with basketball, strong work ethic and habits, and a burning desire to win.

Before the Lakers set out to land superstars like LeBron James and Paul George in free agency in the coming weeks -- superstars who embody all of those traits -- Johnson and Pelinka exposed their young core to some of the most successful individuals on the planet.

"Under any scenario, will be a huge, rich benefit for the development of the guys," Pelinka said. "Whether it is getting them ready for when the other star geniuses come or becoming that themselves."

After spending two decades around Kobe Bryant as his agent and friend, Pelinka saw how obsessed the Lakers legend was with improving and constantly searching for new ways to find any advantage he could get over his opponent. It was Bryant's curiosity that in part inspired Pelinka to create the Genius Series.

"I remember one time called me and was like, 'Have you ever seen the way a cheetah attacks its prey? Like when it is hunting down a wildebeest?'" Pelinka said. "He said, 'I have really been thinking of ways to creatively change some of my movements and noticed that there was this incredible beauty in how a cheetah uses its tail to balance itself when it jumps in the air.' And he said, 'I have been moving my foot in different ways, almost like the tail of a cheetah, to learn how to have proper balance when I am shooting my fadeaway jumper.'"

Pelinka also wants to see his players develop diverse interests off the court, much like Bryant, who became an Academy Award-winning filmmaker (animated short category) after retiring. It's why the Lakers GM -- who constantly is reading up on what made some of history's most successful figures like Leonardo da Vinci tick -- organized team field trips to Broadway's "Hamilton" and Musk's SpaceX, where Walton and his players were surprised to see how young many of Musk's brightest rocket scientists are.

Musk was asked by one Lakers player what his take is on preparing for his competition.

"Like the mad scientist in the lab, he looks down and shuffles and is pondering the question," Pelinka said. "And he said, 'Well, I know if I am making the greatest rockets in the world, and if I am making cars that can do things that no other cars in the universe can do and drive themselves, be powered by the sun, the competition becomes irrelevant to me.

"'So if you as Lakers are committed to being so good at pursuing your own form of excellence, it won't really matter as much what the competition is doing.'"


This series has meant a lot to our Lakers. To have them in front of our guys, explaining how they became successful, has meant a lot and it changed their lives.

”- Magic Johnson
For Felix, speaking to the Lakers gave the six-time Olympic gold medalist a chance to put competition into perspective, telling the players she envied their opportunities to play 82 regular-season games and -- if they achieve their goals -- playoff games beyond that.

"Every year you get a chance to go to the championship," Felix recalled of what she told the Lakers. "And for me, you get every four years, my chance can come down to about 21 seconds."

Magic Johnson looked around the room and saw his players realize just how much they might take things for granted.

"She said, 'I can't even pick up a pound -- I got to stay in shape for four years,'" the executive said. "You can just see they were, like, amazed by the time and work that she has to put in to run her race that lasts less than 30 seconds."

Lakers guard Kentavious Caldwell-Pope had the room busting out in laughter when he challenged Felix to a race. Walton said with a smile that he wants to invite the champion sprinter to training camp to humble his fastest players.

"For me it was just really a cool experience, growing up being such a Lakers fan," said Felix, who is from Los Angeles. "One of the neatest things was that they brought in a woman to speak to them. I thought that was really special, that they could find the value there.

"As athletes, usually you are trying to hunt for the answers on your own, and you are trying to get in touch with certain people. To have them brought to you, and what I really love is people from all different industries, to me you find such inspiration in different places. ... I would love to have something like that during my career."

Magic Johnson, who might know more than anyone how special being a member of the Lakers organization can be, says the Genius Series has had a measurable impact on a young roster that included 13 different players with two or fewer years of NBA experience last season.

"Listen, this series has meant a lot to our Lakers," Johnson told ESPN. "To have them in front of our guys, explaining how they became successful, has meant a lot, and it changed their lives. ... I have been enjoying this just as much as the players. There's greatness in what they all do and how they do it. But everything came down to the same thing: preparation ... discipline.

"The Rock came in and was so passionate," Magic Johnson continued, as his eyes and voice grew more animated. "He really fired them up and got them going and like, 'Hey, I need to stay in this gym and do the things I need to do.' gave them the discipline. Making sure what you put in your body. That was a big thing, too. Everybody changed their diets now -- Lonzo changed ."

Kuzma has taken full advantage of the Genius Series, forming a tag team connection with Johnson that already is providing visible results. Growing up in Flint, Michigan, as a fan of the WWE and The Rock, Kuzma has developed a relationship with Johnson since his visit to the Lakers' facility.

Hitting the weight room this offseason, Kuzma has noticeably added muscle. He recently posted a photo of himself in a sleeveless T-shirt on Instagram saying, "Yo @therock appreciate the tips on summer gainz" with a flexed-biceps emoji.


Johnson, who has given Kuzma nutritional advice, replied on Twitter, saying, "Kuz told me he wanted his best summer ever. Boy's puttin' in the work."

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Dwayne Johnson

@TheRock
Kuz told me he wanted his best summer ever. Boy’s puttin’ in the work 👏🏾💪🏾

Silver Screen & Roll

@LakersSBN
Kyle Kuzma thanked @TheRock for helping him pack on muscle this summer, and the results are impressive: https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/6/17/17472296/la-lakers-news-kyle-kuzma-the-rock-genius-talk-muscle-instagram?utm_campaign=silverscreenandroll&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

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Assistant coach Miles Simon, who has been running Kuzma through individual workouts this offseason, told Walton he no longer can push the 6-foot-9 Kuzma in the post anymore. Kuzma was clearly listening when Dwayne Johnson told the Lakers that his anchor to success is waking up at 4 a.m. daily "before anybody else and grounding my thought process no one will outwork me ... no one."

Regardless of what happens to the Lakers' roster this offseason, Pelinka plans to continue the Genius Series in 2018-19. He's keeping next season's lineup a secret, but Pulitzer Prize-winning rapper Kendrick Lamar is a possibility after the Lakers tried getting him to talk to the team this past season.


Of course, if Johnson and Pelinka meet their lofty free-agency goals, the Lakers might have their own basketball genius residing in the Staples Center locker room.

"I think that Los Angeles is the most unique city in the world in terms of a place where, like, the greats or geniuses congregate," Pelinka said. "So why not take advantage of this here?"

"That has always been the Lakers and Hollywood," Pelinka later added. "When we are winning here, we know what it is like -- the DiCaprios, the biggest stars come out to cheer for the Lakers. We want to bring that back."

  

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138. "This is unreadably douchey. "
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"It's why the Lakers GM -- who constantly is reading up on what made some of history's most successful figures like Leonardo da Vinci tick -- organized team field trips to Broadway's "Hamilton" and Musk's SpaceX, where Walton and his players were surprised to see how young many of Musk's brightest rocket scientists are."


*GIGANTIC EYEROLL*


People are such idiots





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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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141. "LOL. Mad about this? Really? "
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It's not for you, it's for the kids. And apparently they fucking loved it.

  

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144. "Great read"
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Pelinka is so good in every facet of his position

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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146. "Shams..."
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1012823511935668224

<<<< the Tate-over, ya breaks over

  

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LA2Philly
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149. "It’s not a surprise. MCL and meniscus are physically connected "
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Any MCL injury often results in meniscus damage as well...which may or may not ever become symptomatic. The team knew about it at the end of the season and Shams said it’s minor. It all lines up

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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Warren Coolidge
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147. "More reports are confirming the Lakers have NOT offered BI"
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in a deal..

i'm feeling more comfortable that we won't offer up something crazy for a guy who is a free agent in a year..

that's a wildy desperate move...

teams that are rebuilding pray to end up with 4 young ball players like we have right now in BI, Kuz,Lonzo and Hart.... You don't trade that away....you ADD to it...


I think a lot what the press is reporting is people trying to get leverage for their guy to get what he wants....

I got confidence in Magic and Pelinka to do this the right way...

ADD... don't subtract..


  

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148. "Please don't trade for a player we can have for free next summer! Esp BI"
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154. "LOL, is this a repeat post from last summer?"
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I understanding wanting to keep BI, I think he is very promising. But this "THEY'LL SIGN HERE ANYWAY STUFF" is delusional as you guys just found out for sure in one case. With Kawhi some formidable teams in the East have the assets to deal for him now and could likely sign him. Even if he goes to FA next summer, the Lakers will have to compete with the Clippers for him as they are very well-positioned for the 2019 FA market. If they can secure the bag now (which they probably can't anyway), they should.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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Cold Truth
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158. "Yeah I think the "we can sign them next year" is absurd"
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But as far as securing the bag now, I don't think that's wise for a guy that's coming off a very weird injury situation. The bigger reason not to trade for him is that we could give up assets for a guy who could walk in a year.

  

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274. "I think if they get him re-signing him is a minor risk"
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but letting him go to another good situation elevates that risk a lot.

like you said he isn't the surest-fire bet either, lots of clouds over him but at the same time the potential reward is very, very high. in a way i guess that means the one year on his deal is a good thing, if he is himself, you start extension talks early. if he isn't, oh well, you just lost what you gave up, not a huge commitment going forward.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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150. "We talkin to Clint Capela..."
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if you could get him for a reasonable deal...he fills a need for sure... good feet on defense....

  

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151. "That would be a nice get"
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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152. "chapels is getting a max deal from someone I believe"
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Not sure who, but in this market he is the 2nd best big besides Cousins and a Defensive stud.

  

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155. "What's "reasonable" to you? He is gonna co$t $$$$$$$$$$$$$"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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Cold Truth
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157. "We'd have to structure a poison pill contract to do it"
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We'd have to construct it in a way that Houston declines.

I have no idea how "reasonable" an offer we could make that wouldn't get matched Houston or exceeded by them or another team.

  

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159. "no idea how realistic it is....but him and Klay(2019) are my dream signi..."
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Very good players and fits IMO, and would weaken the two top dogs in the West at the same time.

  

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156. "Stay. The. Course. "
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If we strike out on Brawn, I think we should first look for a quality player who could potentially be aborbed into cap space for future picks and spare parts. Who that could be, I don't know and I'm not going to do that much digging to come up with someone. There may be nobody that could work.

Beyond that?

It's most likely going to take a poison pill structure to pry CC from Houston. Very good young player, but I don't want to see a significant compromise on that front.

I do think he's a better fit for what this team needs than Randle though, so I think he's probably a better target then Randle... but I'd love to have him and Randle both if I weren't so confident that Kuz and BI were poised to take a big step forward.

If we miss out on CC, I say we sign JYJ and take a flyer on Cuz for a two year max.

If we strike out on Cuz, perhaps a guy like Noel or Len. Then we give a big ass deal to Reddick for one year and take a flyer on someone like Joe Harris at the two.

I see no reason whatsoever to stretch Deng, since the cap goes up to 109 next year and 116 the year after. That's an increase in 15 mil from today's cap, which essentially amounts to a max slot for that summer when Deng expires.

Revisit the market next year and if BI/Kuz haven't made significant improvements, it's open season.

  

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160. "this cracked me up:"
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https://twitter.com/sreekyshooter/status/1013447021519237121?s=19

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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes

  

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161. "Bron coming to LA - Woj"
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https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013574987909824512

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162. "Lonzo bout to be in Phoenix."
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One Hundred.

  

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163. "Bron in the Cloak. "
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Hungry Hippos: The Movie. Now available to read: http://www.russellhainline.com.

  

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164. "And so it begins. "
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165. "Let’s mfin go fellas!! Let’s gooooooooooooo"
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Lebron mfin James

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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Cold Truth
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166. "I wonder if we can snag CC in a swap for Randle?"
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JYJ would be brilliant in Pringle's offense.

Sans something like that... I dunno what moves there are left to make while maintaining flexibility for next year.

JYJ may need to go now since we gave 12 mil to KCP (SIGH). Keep the space we have, don't stretch deng, and keep space open for Klay next year.

Brook would be a great keep this year on a low deal. Outside of CC nobody really excites me and he'll be a nice fit with Brawn.

Pretty sure half the kids are gone now.

Oh, and stretching deng is a bad idea. He'll be easier to jettison next year, and the cap goes another 15 mil between now and the time his money comes off the books. No sense in keep 7 mil on the books for five more years.

  

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168. "Klay has mad e it clear he wants to stay in GS"
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of course that could change, but i doubt it.

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167. "We've added KCP and Lance Stephenson as well...."
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building some solid depth here...

  

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169. "+ JaVale"
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170. " Stephen A: Kuz “untouchable”. Kawhi might sit out. Jeez."
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171. "So here's our depth chart as of right now......"
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PG- Lonzo
PG- KCP
PG- one of the summer league PGs we signed or Caruso

SG- Ingram
SG- Hart
SG- the 3 point shooter we drafted

SF- LeBron
SF- Stephenson

PF- Randle
PF- Kuzma

C- JaVale
C- Zubac
C- Moritz


the line up to end games runs Randle at Center with Bron and Kuzma… Ingram and Ball....or KCP or Hart...


Ingram and Lebron of course will run some point...


I like...

  

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ThaTruth
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173. "I think KCP will start at 2, Ingram and Bron will man the forward spots"
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

2014 DAMALI Football Pool Champion

  

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174. "KCP is a placeholder for Klay"
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

2014 DAMALI Football Pool Champion

  

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190. "Please. Klay has the best NBA job next to fired head coach."
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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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ThaTruth
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226. "Klay wants his money."
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

2014 DAMALI Football Pool Champion

  

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179. "Randle wants out no?."
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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172. "Feeling great about Lebrons ability to attract more players."
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Hats off to Magic Johnson and the rest of Lakers management!

Lebron was able to get players to go to Cleveland, therefore he should have no problem enticing marquee players to come ball out in Hollwood.

We are just warming up!
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177. "lol like who?"
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>Lebron was able to get players to go to Cleveland

Kyrie was already there, and anyone else of note came in a trade

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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178. "Lance just came to join LeBron in L.A."
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they're going to have a real squad - Magic ain't done.

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176. "so we're meeting with Tyreeke Evans today..."
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that along with the other signings Stephenson and bringing back KCP tells me something...

I think the bottom line offer for Kawhi from the Lakers involves at a minimum Ingram and Hart.... maybe I've missed it but I haven't seen or heard BI react to Lebron yet.... something is telling me he knows he might be moved...

Kawhi has put the Spurs in a corner.... maybe Ingram and Hart ….adding Julius Randle in a sign and trade if he would want to stay in San Antonio and a 1st round pick may be enough...


it just seems interesting that the depth the Lakers are building are SGs / SFs ……. word is the Lakers have made Kuzma the untouchable wing..... looks like BI and Hart may be the ones to move for Kawhi…

I'd rather not make that deal...really don't want to trade BI...or Hart...

but that is Kawhi Leonard.

  

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LA2Philly
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180. "Meeting with Julius and Tyreke today"
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Julius is excited by the Bron signing according to Shams and I have no doubt that our FO has been in contact with him and understands what he wants. I expect a deal in the 13-15m range.

If we can get Reke on the vet min....oh boy

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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181. "#FreeJulius"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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182. "I honestly love the roster as-is if we land Reke and keep JYJ"
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>Julius is excited by the Bron signing according to Shams and
>I have no doubt that our FO has been in contact with him and
>understands what he wants. I expect a deal in the 13-15m
>range.
>
>If we can get Reke on the vet min....oh boy

  

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183. "Still need a center though"
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I dont think Javale and Zubac are gonna get the job done.

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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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184. "Bosh stretch 5"
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ThaTruth
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185. "hey we got Mo Wagner!"
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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187. "Small ball Randle at the 5."
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Either to start or to close games.

  

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LA2Philly
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188. "We played a true 5 for less than 20 mins per game last year"
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That number will be even less this season, likely 12-15. We aren't going to use more money on a low priority need.

The NBA has been changed for years now, I don't understand how we're still getting these comments at this point.

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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Ryan M
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189. "It's different if you have shooters like GSW."
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We don't. Yet.

I'm not saying we need, or can get, an all star or a double double guy at the 5. But there's a reason that there's a question as to whether or not Randle can play the 5 consistently in today's NBA. He doesn't provide rim protection, and is a good but not great rebounder.

I desperately want to keep him, but we don't have the talent of GSW so let's not act like we do.

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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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186. "13-15 is kinda high for a dude that won't start, I think they either fli..."
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him in a trade or let him walk

>Julius is excited by the Bron signing according to Shams and
>I have no doubt that our FO has been in contact with him and
>understands what he wants. I expect a deal in the 13-15m
>range.
>
>If we can get Reke on the vet min....oh boy

"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

2014 DAMALI Football Pool Champion

  

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191. "It's not actually "
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Especially for a team that paid the LOL contracts for KCP last year and the corpses of Lopez and Deng

Also JYJ is the starting 5 on a Bron team.

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192. "RE: It's not actually "
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>Especially for a team that paid the LOL contracts for KCP
>last year and the corpses of Lopez and Deng

KCP & Lopez were 1 year deals. Deng was another Mitch Kupchak fuckup.

>
>Also JYJ is the starting 5 on a Bron team.

No he's not.

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266. "So the LAL pay KCP $12M as a knockoff JR Smith for a year"
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and let JYJ walk...he ends up signing with NOR on a 2 year deal for $18M...

but JYJ actually put up 3 more PPG than KCP...in less MPG and FGA

so, they basically let a solid piece walk because of the extra year?

That's some funny logic

$9M won't stop the LAL from cloaking

c'mon

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193. "Happy Trails Julius!"
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194. "Rajon Rondo : 1 year deal"
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196. "I dont get that one"
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Cant have 2 Pgs that cant shoot at all
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197. "RE: I dont get that one"
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>Cant have 2 Pgs that cant shoot at all

We needed a veteran backup for Zo plus Zo can learn a lot from Rondo and take time to fully rehab his knee.

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208. "Magic applying DAT PRESSURE, Zo had a couple of g-leaguers..."
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behind him last year, the message is clear “we’re not waiting for you, step up or step off”

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211. "Right, that don't make any sense."
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Pels rather have randle than rondo?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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195. "Hey you guys........"
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198. "AD just bought a house in LA..."
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https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/sports/pelicans/article_18319132-7df9-11e8-a64d-afa67ea714a6.html

https://clutchpoints.com/pelicans-news-anthony-davis-buys-home-near-los-angeles/

https://clutchpoints.com/pelicans-news-anthony-davis-buys-home-near-los-angeles/

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199. "Every millionaire has a house in LA."
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200. "they said the same thing about Bron lol"
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201. "If Magic pulls that off I’ll kiss him in the mouth "
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204. "sounds about right...hows michael sam doin anyways?"
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i remember you used to follow him heavily

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cuz these hoes break they toes til they job complete

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209. "how Mad are you right now? Rox window slammed shut lol"
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202. "this guy right here tho....."
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http://i67.tinypic.com/6yfecj.jpg

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203. "Woj on SC: We wanted to do a 1 yr deal with Julius"
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Randle wanted more years whereas we want to keep the max slot open for next season

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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205. "Good for him. It's time for his career to continue."
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Being in a constant holding pattern is dumb for someone that young and talented.

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206. "Buh Bye"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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207. "Understandable for both sides"
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212. "Yup and 1 more thing according to Ramona"
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We told him that his role would be different next year so he also wasn't too fond of that either. His agent, Aaron Mintz (DLo and PG), has been a major pain to work with as well

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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214. "Good for Ju."
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He should go thrive elsewhere. Dude's a beast and deserves a bigger role. Just unfortunate for him we got the best player in the league.

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210. "That lone Lakers game in Boston should be fun."
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Seeing both LeBron and Rondo in the purple and gold going against the Celts in Boston should be quite the scene. I just hope the league schedules he game so it's somewhat late in the season so the game will have some playoff implications involved.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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213. "Seems destined for xmas"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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223. "GOTTA BE"
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217. "They will all be fun homie"
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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215. "So now a revised depth chart...."
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PG - Lonzo
PG - Rondo
PG - Newman

SG - KCP
SG - Hart
SG - Mykhailiuk

SF - Ingram
SF - Stephenson

PF - Lebron
PF - Kuzma
PF - Wear

C - McGee
C - Zubac
C - Moritz


I'm guessing we're looking at bringing Brook Lopez back.... but who knows.....

  

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216. "we have to wait on kawhi now post-cousins"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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218. "Oh holy hell. If Boogie returns healthy this is just plain evil"
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219. "Fuck it. Ervin, call Dwight. "
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220. "Hey... we'll have none of that.... n/m"
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221. "I apologize. I just had a snickers. I'm better now. "
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224. "the same thought crossed my mind for 2.5 seconds..."
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I'm better now...

  

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222. "They're reacting to us we aren't reacting to them."
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229. "Lol that's cute"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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225. "no"
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227. "Surely you know I'm being flippant "
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230. "so I'm actually seeing Dwight would want to come back..."
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trying to be objective for a moment..I looked at his stats from last year...he played 81 games.... averaged 16.6... 12 rebounds...


I know that Brook Lopez would fit us better....and honestly I really don't want Dwight Howard on the Lakers...I'm sure I'm not alone with that..


but if Lopez can't be had, then I think we'd have to consider it...

  

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233. "Noooooope. Too many toxic personalities. Fuck Dwight. "
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228. "Wagner is looking good out there..."
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he's kind of punkin Giles...

Bagley dunked on him...

but he's shooting well and going to the hole...and playing with toughness...

  

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240. "before the dunk tho he gave Bagley that footwork"
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Bagley ended up with his back to him on the block lol

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231. "Not sure what the Lakers are doing..."
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Shit is looking like the Cavs with no Love.

I know these young players have promise but shit, they were screaming that about Clarkson, Hood, and Nance Jr a few months ago.

Then GS gets Boogie?!?!

This shit is a joke. LA needs more than Kawhi now.

  

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232. "Long game. That’s all I can think of. "
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Lots of upside, low risk, and great young players. It probably won’t work but they’ve got flexibility - something the Cavs never had.

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234. "It's been that all along, that's why Bron signed up for 4 years..."
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Boogie is a 1 year rental for GS. Next summer they still have to face the free agency of Klay and KD again. Iggy is on his last legs. This is really probably GS last season as a "juggernaut" team.

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241. "It worries me that you might block the kids"
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The rondo signing is malpractice. Ball is easily your most intriguing prospect, particularly as a Bron compliment. Rondo is either going to steal his time or, more likely, be bitching constantly on the bench a la Chicago. A locker room with Rondo, Lance, and Javale is not a good place for youngsters, particularly combined with the inevitable Bron drama.

I’d also be pretty worried about how...uninspired these moves are. Frankly, every move the Lakers have made this off-season is something Mike from San Pedro would recommended during drive time. There’s no talk of, say, giving Randle 1 year for 20 million with a team option (credit Nate Duncan), so that he can be your center and/or reasonably attractive trade bait. There’s no Seth Curry signing, even though he’d have no problem being a backup, has never shown poor character, and provides shooting you so desperately need.

I’m not sure any of this matters for the Lakers the way it would for every other team. Magic and Rob have gotten the big stuff (LeBron and being patient with the assets) right. As long as that continues, you’ll have three guys worth the max on your squad for 19-20. Maybe that’s enough, presuming the Dubs do break up. But even Kawhi, Bron, and AD would need the other guys not to be complete washed scrubs, and I’m not sure I trust the lakers front office to get the pieces to get you over the top.

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250. "Something lost in the 1 year deals though"
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Is that they're incredibly tradeable mid season. If some player becomes available, we now have assets to ship that aren't Luol Deng to match salaries. That's kind of smart. I don't think Rondo, KCP, Javale, Lance are in the long term plans, and I think we're kinda punting anyway...but we now have some flex.

That said, perhaps there's something happening with Lonzo for Kawhi. That was my gut reaction when I saw the Rondo news. But...probably not. I think it'd be foolish to trade a guy on a rookie deal who's almost as good as Rondo is right today.

I don't disagree on blocking the kids...but I also think Magic and Pelinka deserve the benefit of the doubt. Lebron signing aside, they've also made some great moves with drafting Kuzma, trading Clarkson, etc - not to mention essentially trading DLo/Mozgov for Josh Hart and the capspace to sign Lebron. They haven't blundered anything yet so I've got confidence for now.

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'18-'19 LA Lakers

James. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Stephenson. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Zubac. McGee. Beasely. TBD...

  

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235. "Lakers need Kawhi *and* AD to be on-par talent-wise w/ GS"
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237. "Now we are talking"
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AD
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Lol

  

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ThaTruth
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238. "GS won't be GS after this season."
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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Dr Claw
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239. "Durant will opt out next summer, join the Lakers"
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and the bullshit will continue.

Just speaking it into existence, because FUCK Golden Piss

  

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bshelly
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242. "OR PHILADELPHIA "
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Reeq
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236. "it was fun while it lasted lakers fans lol."
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tariqhu
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243. "these signings are weird af."
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but the goal seems to play for next years free agency. get this one years so nobody is invested. kawhi will be free. so will cousins.

I'm ok with Javale actually, but lance and rondo....nah.

don't think zo will be better than 15/7 for his career. not bad, but not enough to move the needle.

nah, you trippin

  

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cgonz00cc
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244. "chauncey did 17/6 in the pistons title year"
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and made all NBA doing 17/7 in 2007

more ways to impact a game than pts+ast

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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LA2Philly
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245. "The Lonzo takes are an easy litmus test"
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Over 3:1 assist to turnover ratio, effective with a very low usage rate (sub-20), significant increase in team's pace, 98th percentile perimeter defender (2nd in PPP on pick and roll)....as a rookie.

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auragin_boi
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248. "People have such limited views of basketball skills"
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Dude had a pretty damn good rookie yr (10/7/7/almost 2 stls/almost a blk). Yes, he shot terrible but his shooting will improve.

He was in trip-dub neighborhood in YEAR 1!!! And the stls and blks stats are awesome for a first yr dude.

He gotta get the FT% into the 70's this year, increase the 3% about 4 percentage points and he'll be on his way yr 2.

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bshelly
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260. "I finally looked at lonzo’s advanced stats yesterday."
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Now I’m a believer.

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tariqhu
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247. "not disagreeing with that."
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I'm just saying he won't be the superstar that some were making him out to be.

nah, you trippin

  

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cgonz00cc
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249. "chauncey wasnt a "superstar" either tho"
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they didnt draft him to be Russ, they drafted him to be Chauncey aka an unflappable leader that makes his teammates better on both ends

and Chauncey would be #2 in a re-draft of his year so they should be ecstatic if Lonzo turns out to be a non-superstar that is also a multiple AllNBA, multiple AllD, champ, and Finals MVP.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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