Thats the thing that is getting exposed in all of this Kawhi stuff. It wasn’t the “Spurs way”, it was the TIm Duncan way and once Duncan left the magic was gone. Pop and company know it better than anyone. The secret elixir was Duncan’s selflessness, not some front office genius. It is why Duncan might be the most underrated player in league history.

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I could be wrong though

Get out the room,
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once in a generation players make dynasties

the xyz way was always bullshit...you need talent to even be relevant.

I still don't understand how this Kawhi situation is on the SAS...especially Pop

his wife f'n died and he had to answer for Kawhi's disappearance on a daily basis

?

and we definitely needed another Kawhi post.

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He’s already undermined a few moves that might’ve extended the life of that franchises run though so that’s working against him on that level, though he’s a phenomenal player.

Football is a little different than hoops though in terms of one guy making that drastic of a difference.

But it's not clear what you are saying here…just because it didn't work out with Kawahi…that's not much of a sample size either way.

Also, Pop and company did a great job of keeping this team turning over and remaining relevant when Tim was hurt/old and then without him. It's not like they have had some transformational players come aboard, they got bum ass Aldridge smh. That to me is was a worse decision than whatever is happening here.

I also can't stand Aldridge tho, so hey.


But yeah, Tim the best player of his generation. Praise Be.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/

they’re the 90s Utah Jazz at best.

Special player and one of the best guys to build a franchise around in sports history, really.

+1 Pop and SAS really went hard on evaluating and drafting foreign players and were one of, if not the, first franchises to do so

SMH@Mfers trying to rewrite history because of a disgruntled player.

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The Cavs could’ve won game 1, but GS would’ve wiped them out in 5 after that.

>But it's not clear what you are saying here…just because it
>didn't work out with Kawahi…that's not much of a sample size
>either way.
>
>Also, Pop and company did a great job of keeping this team
>turning over and remaining relevant when Tim was hurt/old and
>then without him. It's not like they have had some
>transformational players come aboard, they got bum ass
>Aldridge smh. That to me is was a worse decision than whatever
>is happening here.

Aldridge is one of the biggest parts of that. And when he got frustrated and wanted out last offseason Pop worked it out with him and he had a terrific season.


>I also can't stand Aldridge tho, so hey.

well that certainly makes it clearer.

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Mar-A-Lago delenda est

fit right in with the culture Pop was trying to establish when he took over. When Tim was drafted by the Spurs he looked up to Robinson and fell right in line.

>Thats the thing that is getting exposed in all of this Kawhi
>stuff. It wasn’t the “Spurs way”, it was the TIm Duncan
>way and once Duncan left the magic was gone. Pop and company
>know it better than anyone. The secret elixir was Duncan’s
>selflessness, not some front office genius. It is why Duncan
>might be the most underrated player in league history.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

No, when he showed up Robinson saw what it was and HE fell into line.


Only time I ever saw a rookie join a team with a legit superstar a year removed from an MVP and take over immediately

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>No, when he showed up Robinson saw what it was and HE fell
>into line.
>
>
>Only time I ever saw a rookie join a team with a legit
>superstar a year removed from an MVP and take over
>immediately

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

I'm going off what David said

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I think that's pretty rare in today's day and age. And it probably should be. But Duncan getting paid like $7 mil or whatever at the end of his deal is crazy.

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>I think that's pretty rare in today's day and age. And it
>probably should be. But Duncan getting paid like $7 mil or
>whatever at the end of his deal is crazy.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

And there are laws against that reasoning, however
correct.

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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

The Aldridge thing got resolved and they have been very successful since Tim left. This is about one guy as far as I can see, and that guy is Leonard.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

The white men in suits got credit when Leonard was
one of the most hard working, coachable, selfless
players in the league, winning Finals MVP and the
whole 9.

Now?

Greedy nigger disrupting this perfectly good party
of dignified white men

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Other than your insertion of nigger into the conversation

...where's the lie...

So lemme get this straight

for the past...what...20 years

the SAS have been lauded as one of the premier franchises in sports

...not just basketball...

for creating a winning culture that was team first oriented

20 years.

5 Chips.

Is Kawhi not the outlier in this example?

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>The white men in suits got credit when Leonard was
>one of the most hard working, coachable, selfless
>players in the league, winning Finals MVP and the
>whole 9.
>
>Now?

David Robinson, Tony Parker, Tim Duncan and lots of other players also deserve credit. The Spurs as an organization--that means their ownership, management, head coaches, assistant coaches, players, staff-- have impeccable creds though. Since 1990 they missed the playoffs ONCE, won five rings, went to seven finals, have balanced all sorts of egos, etc. It actually precedes Pop and Duncan, going back to David Robinson. Very strong character and leadership there, from black players, from great coaches (Pop, LB, assistants like Mike Brown, Brett Brown, et al), etc. Literally no one is making this about race except you. We are talking about one aberration in a nearly 30-year string of uninterrupted success and good will, with several of the key figures involved being black.

>Greedy nigger disrupting this perfectly good party
>of dignified white men
>
>Sports discussion so racist now It's cartoonish
>
>
>LOL

Who is calling Leonard greedy? He is leaving a TON of money on the table if his demands are met, it has nothing to do with greed. His motivations are basketball-related and that's fine. The OP is mad extra (although you managed to make it look level-headed). This was a response to a "WHOA TROUBLE IN PARADISE!" type corny observation that suggested the Spurs' org has no culture and everything was centered around Tim, that's it. That's just as ridiculous as your straw man here. They prospered before Tim and have prospered after him as well, only Zaza's foot stopped them from challenging the Dubs last year. So there isn't much factual basis for saying it was "all Tim Duncan." There isn't much for saying it was all Pop or all Buford either. But the bottom line here is that Leonard's dissatisfaction, which he is entitled to like any other player, is not some ruptured fault line in the Spurs' organization.

Now naturally this is funny coming from you, who once discredited Pop and said he'd be nothing without Duncan. That hasn't been true, of course. There's only one person with an agenda here and it's painfully forced. Bottom line is that Kawhi isn't happy and that's about him as an individual within the organization. I hope he can get healthy and rock it somewhere else. But to suggest that the Spurs' nearly 30 years of continuous, high-level success evaporated without Duncan is absurd.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

We always thought something might not be right with dude. So it's easy to see how there might be a disconnect and communications have failed.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

kawhi's not wrong if he doesn't see the spurs as constructed challenging these super teams.

he's not wrong if he just doesn't like where he's at either.


we just don't know, but we don't need to know, speculations aside.

squad he deems better to compete for a title. That’s all him.

But if he can play and he doesn’t play that’s bullshit.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

And he hasn *NEVER* been shit but a selfless
team player who was extremely hard working, smart
and coachable

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You lost the right to speak on the matter

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Unless this is a part of performance art.

Let me know.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

>Unless this is a part of performance art.

Wanna know what performance art is?

Coonin.

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He can feel how he feels about the team and its direction. In a way it's better to let them know now as opposed to when he becomes a UFA then just leaving. Whether or not he hurt his own position, the team's or both by making such a public proclamation remains to be seen.

But if we are talking about the functionality and culture of the Spurs' organization, obviously it had been strong before Duncan, before Pop, before Kawhi, etc. This is a team that's made the playoffs every year but one since 1990 and seldom flamed out. They have managed a lot of good players in their primes and after their primes. If not for the LA thing last summer--which was resolved promptly and effectively by adjusting based on the player expressing himself--this would not even be a question or an issue.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

>We always thought something might not be right with dude. So
>it's easy to see how there might be a disconnect and
>communications have failed.

"Braids and doesn't talk?"

How about coachable, intelligent, very hard working
and highly skilled? You know, the things white people
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there are dozens of spurs who did it besides duncan.

and there were also issues with people like avery johnson and stephen jackson back in the day, and even duncan very nearly hopped to orlando.

on the other side, tony parker accepted being benched just a few months ago (though if anything broke the spurs, it's him and danny green falling apart).

manu never went for it either, but he could have been extremely selfish and piled stats/checks elsewhere.




i don't understand how people want to read more into all this than what's there. this is just a 1) kawhi is marching to his own beat and 2) nothing last forever story.

THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THAT HERE!

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

No shade at Pop’s coaching, he’s obviously very good. But Duncan was not only an all time great player, but often did it at a discount - which makes it so much easier to be a well run franchise.

They did a great job with international players, had a solid run before Duncan....but without him they’re just another solid team and franchise.

yes him taking less money was a difference from other nba stars in the past 20 years, but they were just in the WCF without him were they not? not exactly a unmanageable situation. other guys took below-market deals as well, though not as a deeply discounted. it's a testament to their organization and its culture and leonard's discontent doesn't change that.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

>yes him taking less money was a difference from other nba
>stars in the past 20 years, but they were just in the WCF
>without him were they not? not exactly a unmanageable
>situation.

It seems his financial sacrifices in his later years made it easier for them to build that team though. That was my main point.

Dynasties are built around once in a generation talent.

Without a once in a generation talent, you're just a great team at best

Thanks for the insight.

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>Dynasties are built around once in a generation talent.
>
>Without a once in a generation talent, you're just a great
>team at best
>
>Thanks for the insight.

Your welcome. Glad you agree.

>>Dynasties are built around once in a generation talent.
>>
>>Without a once in a generation talent, you're just a great
>>team at best
>>
>>Thanks for the insight.
>
>Your welcome. Glad you agree.

It's shockingly obvious to anyone who doesn't adore
white people at the expense of basic reasoning.

Unfortunately, there are like 12 people like that in the
world, and me & you are 2 of them.

People love allegedly genius white dudes. They think
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>>Dynasties are built around once in a generation talent.
>>
>>Without a once in a generation talent, you're just a great
>>team at best
>>
>>Thanks for the insight.
>
>Your welcome. Glad you agree.

Why must there be a this particular dichotomy?

Tim Duncan was the greatest talent of his generation. His presence on the Spurs was the bedrock on which their dominance was built and his willingness to take payouts late in his career extended the competitive window for the franchise exponentially.

Greg Popovich was a great coach, whose bond with his teams best player, coaching acumen and synchronicity with a pioneering front office helped the Spurs harness that window and succeed beyond it.

Someone* please explain to me why both those things can't be true?

Wouldn't both thing being true actually help explain why THIS franchise has had so much success since Duncan arrived and after?


*not you-know-who

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Once in a generation talents...that didn't and probably won't achieve the team success that Timmay did in SAS

do you see it?

The spurs way during Timmay's career and after was...next man up, team first, identifying talent that worked in that system.

It worked during Timmay's career to establish the dynasty...as the roster flipped from the admiral and the general...to top 5 and GINOBLI...

do you see it?

Mario Elie
Malik Rose
Monty Williams
Danny Ferry
Bruce Bowen
Steve Kerr

^^^guys that were readily available to the league, and had careers before SAS, but weren't exactly coveted players

fit the spurs way

do you see it?

When guys went down with injury...next man up

Corey Joseph
Patty Mills
and now Dejaunte Murray

the spurs way identifies players that other teams could have had, but for whatever reason, didn't value as much

and that is how they got Kawhi to begin with

the spurs way made George Hill a viable trade candidate for Kawhi on draft night

he flourished in the spurs way system AND they identified a franchise player in Kawhi

so when Timmay retired...the spurs way had another potentially once in a generation talent...to keep the engine running

they haven't missed the playoffs in what...20 years...even without their best player

how many teams make the playoffs without their best player?

and like I said, that reload made it to the WCF last year when Kawhi was healthy

that is the spurs way

of course you need the talent, but we've seen entire careers squandered...so to say it was all Duncan is false.

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>No shade at Pop’s coaching, he’s obviously very good.
>But Duncan was not only an all time great player, but often
>did it at a discount - which makes it so much easier to be a
>well run franchise.
>
>They did a great job with international players, had a solid
>run before Duncan....but without him they’re just another
>solid team and franchise.

You out here trying to give actual credit to the black
athlete for building the dynasty? Fuck is wrong with you?

>but without him they’re just another solid team and franchise.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I'm cool with the white dudes being white boys because
it's America but the black dudes?

Fuck is wrong with y'all?

A nigga just said he don't believe Kawhi because
"he has braids and doesn't talk."

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from the top down. I've spoken with several players over the years and have known people who deal with management/work in the day to day business operations. No one really has a bad thing to say.

They(team doctors, etc) may have fucked up, it happens. I don't blame Kawhi for wanting to leave if he feels they didn't handle his health properly. People that mean well can still fuck up.

whatever popp, rc buford, etc did, none of it was possible had tim duncan (and robinson before him) put the team above himself in a way that comes around only once in a generation. lemme tell you something, if I had 50 million in the bank and 100 million more guaranteed, ain't gonna be no grown man yelling at me every day.

if popp could yell at duncan in practice, he could yell at anybody. if he could pull duncan in a tight game, he could pull anyone. if he could make duncan give up the ball, everyone else could get in line.

and it turns out that kawhi, like just about every other superstar past and present, doesn't want to get yelled at, or put up with his organization and his washed up teammates question what's going on in his body.

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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

ran way deeper than being a great player. His selflessness on every level allowed everything else to flourish.

>and it turns out that kawhi, like just about every other
>superstar past and present, doesn't want to get yelled at, or
>put up with his organization and his washed up teammates
>question what's going on in his body.
>
>

Please stop with the fan fiction. No one knows any of this. The only real question to be answered is in regards to his injury and the two parties handling of it, which we have almost no information about.

Everyone could just keep it moving till they had some actual information.

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http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/

did i imagine that leaked team meeting, or tony parker telling the media that his injury had been much worse than kawhi's, or popp talking about kawhi's posse ER people?

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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

You know why you can cite examples of other people talking about the situation

Because they were available to be interviewed

Kawhi dipped to NYC and left his team to answer questions about his health

if that's your gripe...how is that not on Kawhi

again, THE Franchise player disappeared

and the team was being asked questions daily about him

...while dealing with their own life events...you know...like a spouse battling and dying from cancer...

Kawhi could have answered those questions directly...himself...anytime in the last 6-7 months

HE DIDN'T.

WTF

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All the stuff about he doesn't want to be yelled at by Pop, yes, you are making it up. we have no idea how he felt one way or the other about it.


And by the time that locker room meeting was boiling over, I'm sure a lot had taken place that we don't know about.

Kawahi Leonard has every right to ask play somewhere else. Not one person in the thread has questioned that.

The need to invent a villain is what is dumb.

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as far as quiet, humble, team guy?

Nothing wrong with that but I don't think you can throw out the Spurs way because this guy didn't want to stay.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

i dont think this is something that merits the psychoanalyzing and handwringing the basketball community is doing.

<--- Big Baller World Order

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people acting like poppovich isn't in the bobby knight model of "yelling as leadership" military bullshit.

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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

but go on and be mad..lol

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

for commenting on the injury. SMH Top 5 Tony, no need to go the Isaiah route

.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

players talk shit all the time...

He should've stepped to Tony and handled that shit.

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said something that hurt your feelings = bitchassness

We're entering Dwight Howard territory

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>said something that hurt your feelings = bitchassness
>
>We're entering Dwight Howard territory

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If it’s a bad environment for him and he wants out, that’s “bitchassness”?

Cmon.

and Kawhi walking away is a huge blow. Pops is a great coach, but let's not act like he didn't have great talent on his rosters. He had essentially an All star player in Ginobili coming off the bench. Duncan is maybe top 3 to top 5 all time as a PF. Spurs way is Pops having a HOF and an underrated stacked roster.

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Leaving a super max deal on the table...L

Abandoning the franchise as the franchise player...L

Making trade demands when you're still under contract...L (so tell where you don't want to go (c))

Maybe Pop brought some new jerseys for Kawhi to try on ahead of draft night

Hope they trade him to SAC...he's earned it.

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A true superstar who had a terrible injury and felt abandoned by his teammates and coach MAY be making a trade demand a year away from FA, giving his old team a chance to get a real return for him... is in turmoil with what is an indisputably great organization that has taken other team's (Green, Mills, Diaw) and league's (Neal, Jackson, Udoka) castaways and turned them into NBA players and sometimes very good ones.

No one has to be totally wrong here. Kawhi can selfishly want out and be well within his rights and even making the right decision, while the Spurs can have fucked this situation up and still be, I don't know, the model for team-building in American professional sports.

This is dumber than usual. Do any of us even have real agendas involved here? That's why this one ain't even fun.

>A true superstar who had a terrible injury and felt abandoned
>by his teammates and coach MAY be making a trade demand a year
>away from FA, giving his old team a chance to get a real
>return for him... is in turmoil with what is an indisputably
>great organization that has taken other team's (Green, Mills,
>Diaw) and league's (Neal, Jackson, Udoka) castaways and turned
>them into NBA players and sometimes very good ones.
>
>No one has to be totally wrong here. Kawhi can selfishly want
>out and be well within his rights and even making the right
>decision, while the Spurs can have fucked this situation up
>and still be, I don't know, the model for team-building in
>American professional sports.
>
>This is dumber than usual. Do any of us even have real agendas
>involved here? That's why this one ain't even fun.


One person is doing their schtick. Couple other making up imaginary backdoor stories. Everyone else saying exactly what you saying.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/

That's the story, and it's pathetic and sad.

These OTHER narratives SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE TABLE
when that bullshit Kawhi one FIRST appeared, because
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that franchise - beyond what he did on the court.

And obviously everyone knows he was an all time great player and seemingly a solid citizen, but I’m not sure he really fully gets proper credit for his leadership, stablilizing influence on the locker room, and frequently getting paid well below his market value - sometimes insanely below his value.

It just feels like all this stuff wouldn’t happen if he was still there, and his many contributions helped them build strong teams in more ways than one.