-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Fri Jun-15-18 01:29 PM
3. "unfair stackage or no?" In response to Reply # 0
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
4. "how would it be unfair?" In response to Reply # 3
They would still have to go to a 35-win team and build it essentially from scratch and on the fly (contrasted with joining a ready-made, 73-win title team) - and all three stars would be coming from another team - so there would be no star who could take the lead in familiarizing the others w/ the team/culture/environment.
Once one acquires nuclear weapons - the arms-race is on. And the NBA is now an arms-race league.
38. "RE: Lol nah man you painted yourself into a corner" In response to Reply # 20
> >If Bron joins a team on the rise, hes a bitch. > >If he joins up with other heavy hitters, hes an even >bigger bitch. > >You drew the line with the Warriors, and now >the closer Bron lands to the line, the bigger >bitch he is.
I'm not one to put words into anyone's mouth....
But Durant joined a championship team that won 73 games....James joining two NEW players on a 30 plus win team is a much harder premise. They are essentially making an entirely new team on the fly. That's quite different, no matter the players involved....
GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....
Superstar forward Kawhi Leonard reportedly wants to be traded by the San Antonio Spurs, according to Jabari Young of the San Antonio Express-News.
Shams Charania of Yahoo Sports added that Leonard has "grown uncomfortable" with the Spurs, leading to his reported desire to play elsewhere. After the news broke, rumors emerged linking multiple teams to Leonard.
Per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, Leonard favors a trade to Los Angeles, and the Lakers appeal to him more than the Clippers. However, the Clippers are also interested, per Wojnarowski. The San Diego State product is an L.A. native.
ESPN's Ian Begley noted that while several teams could likely put together a better offer than the New York Knicks, "people close to Leonard have expressed a desire for Leonard to play in New York."
32. "KD went to a 73-9 team coming off bouncing his squad on their home court..." In response to Reply # 10
>stand on his own two. This will not go unnoticed or washed >over in the history books. I'm glad KD cut his throat on the >short path to get 7.
KD did this in his prime so it stands as the pinnacle of coward move. Bron is 34 years old exiting his prime so this comparison is trash. The Heat comparison is trash because most of the warriors roster is filled with all-stars. Their top five alone beats those Heat teams so that comparison is out the window.
Bron cannot stand on his own two feet but KD needs a roster full of all-stars to win chips.
dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Fri Jun-15-18 08:18 PM
37. "sig sauer. that ain't no lorcin, dogg." In response to Reply # 33
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
49. "He absolutely broke it. You think this would be going on" In response to Reply # 10 Sat Jun-16-18 04:32 AM by Dr Claw
if Donkeylips bitch ass didn't call KD after getting their record-breaking season washed into memes?
KD could have gone anywhere else. He snaked his way onto that team, and now we have this. Laker Superteam Rumors.
the "KD did the same thing as LeBron in 2010" is being spearheaded by a think tank that houses silos of fertilizer between their ears.
talkin' about: "I inherited my shit from daddy" vs. "I built my fortune from my original idea"... nigga, please, fuck the end result if the path is some bullshit.
>the "KD did the same thing as LeBron in 2010" is being >spearheaded by a think tank that houses silos of fertilizer >between their ears. > >talkin' about: "I inherited my shit from daddy" vs. "I built >my fortune from my original idea"... nigga, please, fuck the >end result if the path is some bullshit.
they were the best team with the cap space to meet his quote, and they pursued him
was he supposed to have some principle against making $26M on a great team?
and how would that principle apply to small groups of nameless NBA free agents operating outside of standard collective bargaining sessions to subvert what is supposed to be an open marketplace?
the warriors put a bid in and it was accepted. meanwhile, ESPN was talking about Dwyane Wade's efforts in 2010 as possible collusion WEEKS before anyone even signed.
88. "I dont judge in a vacuum but yall do" In response to Reply # 49
KD went to the bitch move AFTER "YOUR KING" went to the bitch move FIRST(In his Prime).
Golden State in its current form does not exist without LeBron's move to Miami. Bron created a Monster and the Monster swept his weak ass. Enjoy this history and stop trying to rewrite it.
KD with the throat slash will be a money 30 for 30.
"hey, make this right mayne stop at the light mayne, my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "
17. "I LOVE our youngins but this is about basketball " In response to Reply # 12
If you can get 2 elite wings in their prime and one all-time legend, you have to do it. Also, our core is deep enough where dealing BI and Kuz still means we have Lonzo, Hart, and if we can deal Deng, Randle.
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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS
"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left." -Kobe speaking to investigators
27. "If he waits and doesn't sign a poison pill deal elsewhere, yes. " In response to Reply # 26
We have his bird rights and can go over the cap to sign him.
So if we managed to pull off something like BI, Kuz, Deng, the 25, and, say Hart for Kawhi, then signed Brawn and PG, we could sign JYJ and conceivably field a core of Zo/PG/Kawhi/Brawn/JYJ.
dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Fri Jun-15-18 06:16 PM
29. "randle's got a $12m cap hold." In response to Reply # 27
pretty sure they'd have to renounce that (along with his bird rights) to clear 2 max slots.
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
35. "Not if Deng gets dealt in a Kawhi deal" In response to Reply # 29
We're already close enough that we can waive and stretch or extend and stretch to get under for two. Adding the other salaries, depending on what else we took back, should be enough to cover that hold.
dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Fri Jun-15-18 08:58 PM
39. "nah bro. that's not correct. " In response to Reply # 35
the cap is 101.
to sign lebron and PG to their respective eligible maximums you'd need 66m in space. so no more than 35 or so on the books.
kawhi (20) lonzo (7 and change) and randle's cap hold already put you well over that. not to mention additional minimum salary cap holds for every empty roster slot.
nah, to thread that needle they'd have to renounce ALL of their free agents, randle included. the article in the OP breaks this down in detail.
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Sun Jun-17-18 06:21 PM
74. "no question. get it how you live." In response to Reply # 67
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
21. "Keep the kids. Keep the kids. Keep the kids. Keep the kids. Keep the kid..." In response to Reply # 0
I'm crazy conflicted right now.
I doubt we land Kawhi, but it's possible.
I'm willing to go in record saying that we'll make the playoffs next year with JYJ, BI, Kuz, Zo, Hart as our core, because I think everyone takes a significant step forward next year.
I think BI will happen next year. And in an undeniable way, and on both ends. Same with Kuz, though lessnon the defenive end.
I'm attached, but I think next year is the year we flip one or two and/or add that big time piece to the mix.
I'd have no reservations if I had no questions on Kawhis health.
But mostly, win, lose or draw? I'd like to see this current team get a chance to grow and flourish. In three years we're going to want BI and Kuz. Guaranteed.
22. "Oh it's conceivable for sure though it isnt necessarily the best situati..." In response to Reply # 0
If Philly dumps Bayless's salary somewhere they have very little committed salary, even less if they move Fultz+ for Kawhi. They could add Kawhi and LeBron plus have Embiid and Simmonds, plus they wouldn't necessarily have to move every piece of their supporting cast (though it would mean no JJ, no Fultz and possibly more guys gone also).
It's gonna be a wild ass race between LA, Boston and Philly to manage their situations and get what they can here. Let's not forget that other guys may potentially be on the market as well.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
36. "This is kinda where I'm at." In response to Reply # 31
Lebron is HOLY SHIT LEBRON, but if we need to lose some combination of Randle/Kuzma/Ingram/Lonzo to assemble The Banana Boat Team... are we even good enough to challenge the Warriors?
Why are we in such a rush to win *NOW* (and trust, if Lebron is on the team, we have to win *NOW*) when we're not even sure if The Banana Boat Team can get past this Warriors team?
Why not sign George, keep Randle, wait till next year for the Kawhi/Klay/whoever sweepstakes, let the Warriors team deconstruct a bit, all while the core cooks? George + the Young Bucks still challenges for the playoffs next year while being better positioned for the next 5 years on top of that.
Of course Lebron and Kawhi are leagues better than the young cats.
That said... if the Lakers roster becomes Lebron/George/Kawhi/Ingram and other random warm bodies does that team definitively beat this Warriors team? I'm not so sure, and that's my point.
This next Lakers season is not a disappointment if we keep the young core intact, sign a big FA (George), resign Randle, compete in the playoffs and remain a big presence in the 2019 FA market.
This next Lakers season **IS** a disappointment if we get Lebron and Kawhi and don't win a **CHAMPIONSHIP**.
In the former scenario the Lakers have options now and in the future. In the latter scenario it's basically *MUST WIN NOW*.
60. "It just depends on how you view the two options" In response to Reply # 58 Sat Jun-16-18 12:42 PM by LA2Philly
If we do go the slow-burn route (which I'm perfectly ok with), the point is to eventually get to the *win now* level of expectations. However, that's not guaranteed.
If we are able to get Bron, Kawhi, PG - then we're guaranteed to be in that *win now* window.
The question becomes how likely do you think it is the current core along with FA's is able to get to that elite level of teams and which option gives the longest window. Obviously Bron is 33 but Kawhi and PG are 27 and 28, that's at least 4-5 years of championship contention...but if you think it's more likely this core + PG/Bron or PG + next year's FA = a longer window of eventual championship contention, then you go that route.
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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS
"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left." -Kobe speaking to investigators
71. "For sure, no matter what, we want to be legit contenders." In response to Reply # 60
And that's absolutely a given if Lebron is on the team, no matter which way, shape or form.
There's just more risk involved in chasing that dream for *this* upcoming season. While PG is probably like 90% for a long term max, Lebron will probably take the mercenary 1+1 player's option and Kawhi (if Pop even trades with the Lakers) is an unrestricted FA next offseason. So worst case scenario those two guys might not be around and we gave up at least Randle and some combination of Ingram/Lonzo/Kuzma.
Is that future risk worth challenging this specific, historically dominant, record breaking Warriors team *THIS* year? What's the point, if that's nowhere a given and actually unlikely?
My whole position is largely predicated on the fact that this Warriors team exists. We can talk Lakers' roster moves all day but if it doesn't beat the Warriors (as currently contstructed)? Why take that risk when we're still players for Kawhi (and Klay) next season?
63. "BI's year two numbers are on par or better then Kawhi, PG, Jimmy Butler,..." In response to Reply # 61
Kuzma's year one numbers are on par or better than all of their year two seasons, and in fact his rookie season more closely resembles PG and Giannis in year threep
It's downright stupid to trade either of them now, because we're selling low.
Zo's numbers are excellent year one numbers for a point guard.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86672 posts
Fri Jun-15-18 11:21 PM
42. "Agreed with this. Try to keep Ingram, live with dealing the rest." In response to Reply # 41
Ingram is the only guy on a lengthy rookie deal that has shown the potential to be a true weapon on a title-contending team— especially if he’s not first option. You can keep him another 3 years and even after that, he’s restricted— a guy who did 16 PPG at age 20. With that deal. Toss the rest if you have to, but that versatility in the modern NBA is priceless.
Everyone else is a great piece in trade. With versatility the name of the game, guys like Bron and Kawhi and PG would be exceptional, especially together.
46. "Kawhi is also coming off an injury and has a year left on his deal" In response to Reply # 43
I'd bank on the cost-controlled 20 year old and the reat of the squad to improve as they have been and add a major piece like Kawhi to a burgeoning group of young, athletic players instead of gutting the team for him and putting all of our money into three guys, without the resources to build a strong supporting cast around them at a time when GS has four all stars with roster depth and chemistry around them.
>I'd bank on the cost-controlled 20 year old and the reat of >the squad to improve as they have been and add a major piece >like Kawhi to a burgeoning group of young, athletic players >instead of gutting the team for him and putting all of our >money into three guys, without the resources to build a strong >supporting cast around them at a time when GS has four all >stars with roster depth and chemistry around them.
the Lakers can afford to wait. some major free agency moves are coming in the next couple of seasons. They can nab Lord NyQuil now and wait to see who comes up in the near future.
51. "Pop ain't building an LA super team" In response to Reply # 0
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
66. "Is luol deng completely washed?" In response to Reply # 0
Is there a reason he can't be a contributing bench player? I don't understand what happened to this guy. Artest, iguodala, Jefferson, marion... all SF's who went on to be productive veterans.
69. "he's got something left...its the contract" In response to Reply # 66
and the fact that on the Lakers we had a bunch of young players at the same positions he would play, and there was no point in taking minutes from them for Luol Deng
but on a contending team...he could give you some minutes
86. "Sitting poolside... Ain’t no way was I looking up stats. " In response to Reply # 83
Those stats can be broken down further though. For instance, in the shooting percentage, how many of those points were from lay-ups. I’ll look that readily available info up and get back to this.
96. "Cari champion been giggling in her laker gear all week,embiid throwing" In response to Reply # 0
In the towel-
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