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"Wait : Pippen lead a Jordan-less Bulls to 55-27 and ECF in 1994????"


  

          


(And shoulda gone to the NBA Finals, TBH, took Knicks
to 7)

I thought Jordan was leading bums and losers to titles?

Please discuss.


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SEMIFINALS!!!
Jun 13th 2018
1
he's the Dwight Shrute of Bron cysage
Jun 13th 2018
2
RE: SEMIFINALS!!!
Jun 13th 2018
11
NOTICIAS DE ULTIMA HORA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 13th 2018
3
archive
Jun 13th 2018
4
the privilege of playing on an all-time great team & competent org-chart
Jun 13th 2018
5
GIVE HIM TONI KUKOC AND IT'S A WRAP
Jun 13th 2018
7
RE: GIVE HIM TONI KUKOC AND IT'S A WRAP
Jun 13th 2018
8
RE: GIVE HIM TONI KUKOC AND IT'S A WRAP
Jun 14th 2018
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      because he was a Bulls fan from '91-'93 and '96-'98
Jun 14th 2018
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      RE: GIVE HIM TONI KUKOC AND IT'S A WRAP
Jun 16th 2018
59
           Hakeem won a title with Otis Thorpe as his 2nd best player
Jun 19th 2018
63
                Hakeem did the most with the least ever, even more than Cap or Dirk
Jun 20th 2018
124
                     more than Duncan in 03?
Jun 20th 2018
129
                          I'ma still say yes, at least the Spurs had some talent
Jun 25th 2018
147
'95 Kucoc would have
Jun 14th 2018
40
He had this in Miami and went 2-2 FOH
Jun 14th 2018
17
lol
Jun 14th 2018
19
welp.. lol
Jun 14th 2018
21
jordan's Bulls wasn't beating that spurs team either
Jun 14th 2018
24
prime bulls stomp all over them and i loved that spurs team.
Jun 14th 2018
27
spit that game to these lames!
Jun 14th 2018
28
goddamn y'all gotta stop listening to sports talk
Jun 16th 2018
53
      RE: goddamn y'all gotta stop listening to sports talk
Jun 16th 2018
54
      lol got it, u completely clueless. just watch games before u post.
Jun 16th 2018
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           absolutely no counter argument. Got it.
Jun 16th 2018
61
                u said the suns were the only good team lol. the discussion ends here.
Jun 17th 2018
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                     RE: u said the suns were the only good team lol. the discussion ends her...
Jun 19th 2018
73
PLEAS COPPED! LMAO wow
Jun 14th 2018
36
add in his other pair of all nba teammates and its 3-3
Jun 14th 2018
25
never happened! 8 straight finals in the wack ass east tho = goat!
Jun 14th 2018
26
I dunno I mean playing these games is getting boring
Jun 14th 2018
37
      RE: I dunno I mean playing these games is getting boring
Jun 15th 2018
44
           Hmmmm ...
Jun 15th 2018
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                RE: Hmmmm ...
Jun 16th 2018
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                     Wilt Chamberlain archive on YouTube, lots of stuff
Jun 20th 2018
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bro, there's still time
Jun 13th 2018
6
RE: bro, there's still time
Jun 13th 2018
13
Check the archives. I’m sure you said something about it in 1994.
Jun 13th 2018
9
RE: Check the archives. I’m sure you said something about it in 1994.
Jun 13th 2018
10
Yikes. This one hurt me. Time for another break, OE
Jun 13th 2018
12
Jambone, you need to come out of the closet
Jun 14th 2018
16
Google "Blazers Pippen"
Jun 14th 2018
15
Serious question...WTF happened to homie
Jun 14th 2018
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      that Blazers squad was loaded, so he played a different role
Jun 16th 2018
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      he had back surgery and was 33
Jun 16th 2018
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           Back-e-otomy, got it, thanks
Jun 21st 2018
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Please discuss shoulda gone to the NBA Finals, TBH
Jun 14th 2018
18
LoLz
Jun 14th 2018
20
lol
Jun 14th 2018
22
he really ain't come back to the thread. SMH.
Jun 14th 2018
23
best move at this point.
Jun 14th 2018
29
DC in a few weeks. Let's have dinner. I'm serious.
Jun 14th 2018
34
      lol...aight
Jun 14th 2018
38
*patiently awaits the BWAHAHAHAHA reply*
Jun 14th 2018
30
*leisurely roasts a hotdog on a stick*
Jun 14th 2018
31
Good looks...y'all answered my question. I KNEW that couldn't be true.
Jun 14th 2018
33
Watch this...
Jun 14th 2018
35
RE: Watch this...
Jun 14th 2018
42
I need to save this ish for future plea cops I encounter on social media
Jun 20th 2018
93
Pippenomics is a zero sum game (c) The Money Man
Jun 14th 2018
39
Wait...if Bron smashed Beyonce...I might take it all back lol
Jun 15th 2018
43
Nope - Vex didn't see them cavorting in nightclubs so that's impossible.
Jun 15th 2018
45
Pippen is not a HOF w/o 23
Jun 15th 2018
46
When the debate was about Kobe, the number was set to 7
Jun 15th 2018
48
i remember the partying in 12-13
Jun 15th 2018
49
      8.
Jun 15th 2018
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      Haha
Jun 16th 2018
51
      Oh, if Lebron has Pippen, he got 5 at least. (easily)
Jun 16th 2018
52
      LeBron had Wade, the 3rd or 4th best SG of all time
Jun 19th 2018
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           Lebron has won without Wade tho. Jordan without Pippen? 1-9.
Jun 19th 2018
65
           not without Kyrie tho
Jun 19th 2018
66
           Zacklee. Everyone needs help. That's the point, Threesome Jackson
Jun 20th 2018
78
                also lost 3 Finals WITH Kyrie/Wade
Jun 20th 2018
81
                     You had 2 fake threesomes with nose tackles
Jun 20th 2018
104
                          funny...no one else seems to think i was lying 🤔
Jun 20th 2018
110
                               Oh, almost everyone knows you were lying.
Jun 20th 2018
118
                                    so pressed lmao
Jun 20th 2018
123
                                         ^Says the man lying about a Threesome on the internet
Jun 20th 2018
127
                                              *patiently waits for aomeone to agree with you*
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                   Shhh. I'm busy three-soming with 2 Roseanne Barrs
Jun 20th 2018
130
           Jordan didn't switch teams ring chasing...ouch
Jun 20th 2018
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                Didn't have to! He had a healthy franchise player sidekick!
Jun 20th 2018
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                     Scottie Pippen never did anything as his teams best player
Jun 20th 2018
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                     Wade never accomplished anything without LeBron & Shaq
Jun 20th 2018
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                          ah, but Wade won a ring and Finals MVP as number 1
Jun 20th 2018
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                          oh but shaq wasn't "racing towards washed-ville" in '06 tho huh?
Jun 20th 2018
89
                               he was - but not quite there yet. Just like Wade in 2013
Jun 20th 2018
90
                                    jordan carry pippen, or no?
Jun 20th 2018
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                                         Dat Waitzkin! ^^^ https://i0.wp.com/popdose.com/wp-content/uploads/Bobb...
Jun 20th 2018
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                                         of course - but MJ had to carry a much lighter burden.
Jun 20th 2018
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                                              pippen ever carry ANYONE?
Jun 20th 2018
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                                              yes. he carried the bulls (sans jordan) to a deep playoff run
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                   Round 2 = “deep”?
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                   #FactAttack
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                        So? Round 2 is round 2
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                             nah, bro.
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                             HOT TAKE ALERT.
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                             #A!
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                             hyperbole like "an inch from the finals?"
Jun 21st 2018
136
                                                   By inch do you mean 25 feet?
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                   more blatant lying lol
Jun 20th 2018
108
                                                   he carried CHI to 2nd round, Wade carried MIA to 2nd round w/o Shaq/Bron
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                        repeatedly overstating the greatness of the '94 bulls...
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                             RE: repeatedly overstating the greatness of the '94 bulls...
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                                  it's gonna be ok.
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                                  yes, please quote me more. Glad you enjoy my work.
Jun 20th 2018
119
                                                                  guilty as charged. always have been a big spec-fic / allohistory fan.
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                                  lmao
Jun 20th 2018
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                                                                  Lolz
Jun 20th 2018
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                                              oh, so now scoring is a MUCH lighter burden? LOL
Jun 20th 2018
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                                              So when MJ put up 31/8/6 in '91 playoffs including 31/11/7 in the Finals
Jun 21st 2018
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                                                   Jordan was 1-9 without Pippen, tho.
Jun 21st 2018
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                                                        RE: Jordan was 1-9 without Pippen, tho.
Jun 21st 2018
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                     Bron still .500 when he got one...ouch.
Jun 20th 2018
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           re: Wade, the 3rd or 4th best SG of all time
Jun 19th 2018
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                wade was 3rd in the league in PER in 2012. 7th in 2013.
Jun 19th 2018
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                dude has said before that wade was already washed by 2009
Jun 19th 2018
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                RE: wade was 3rd in the league in PER in 2012. 7th in 2013.
Jun 19th 2018
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                     2013: 20/5/4 with 2 spg and 1.3 bpg to go with it
Jun 19th 2018
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                          loooooot of excuses.
Jun 20th 2018
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                               Jordan won two rings tho:
Jun 20th 2018
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                               Jordan was 1-9 without Pippen. Was a stinking loser. Fact.
Jun 20th 2018
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                               Bron didn't win nothing until he colluded...fact
Jun 20th 2018
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                               More facts
Jun 20th 2018
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                                    Science: Jordan was a bum ass loser without Pippen
Jun 20th 2018
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                                    Jordan NEVER scored 8 pts in a finals game LMAO
Jun 20th 2018
107
                                    Science: LeBron was a bum ass loser WITH Wade and Bosh
Jun 20th 2018
109
                                         Lebron was 1-9? When? Jordan was a stat padding bum w/no Pippn
Jun 20th 2018
121
                                              LeBron is and was a stat padding bum without Wade and Kyrie
Jun 21st 2018
134
                                                   Actually, Lebron got the NBA FINALS w/ NO sidekick. Jordan? 1-9.
Jun 21st 2018
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                                                        and SWEPT with a sidekick this year
Jun 24th 2018
145
                                                             Lebron got swept with a Pippen talent? Where? When?
Jun 25th 2018
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                                                             RE: Lebron got swept with a Pippen talent? Where? When?
Jun 26th 2018
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                                    RE: More facts
Jun 20th 2018
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                                         Because the sidekick doesn't get the responsibility
Jun 21st 2018
135
                                         could be the 17.8 ppg average
Jun 21st 2018
137
                               LOL @ those tinyurl link names
Jun 20th 2018
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                               yikes!
Jun 20th 2018
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                               RE: Jordan won two rings tho:
Jun 20th 2018
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                               well you would know from excuses.
Jun 20th 2018
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                shouldn't have wasted 2011 then.
Jun 19th 2018
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      he's got more than Wilt - as many as Bird.
Jun 16th 2018
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Horry and Steve Kerr on GOAT status lol b/w you buggin, Pip a HOF'er
Jun 20th 2018
126
imo THE best 2-way player (bigs excluded)
Jun 21st 2018
133
are you aware that Jordan was 9x 1st team All-Defense + won DPOY?
Jun 26th 2018
151
      LMAO
Jun 26th 2018
153
All star yes, but don't know if he'd have been HOF or top 50 guy
Jun 21st 2018
138
woooooow, you gonna pull something reaching like that, my guy
Jun 25th 2018
149
Pippen is Mitch Richmond status w/o 23; not a HOF
Jun 21st 2018
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      Uh, Richmond is in the HOF LMAO
Jun 25th 2018
148
           They snuck his meh ass in for the 2014 class, I didnt notice
Jun 26th 2018
152
Brady never develops into a HOF w/o Bill, but Brady did and he is.
Jun 21st 2018
132

bentagain
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1. "SEMIFINALS!!!"
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You clearly don't read posts

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2. "he's the Dwight Shrute of Bron cysage"
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ASSISTANT(to the)MANAGER

EASTERN CONFERENCE(semi)FINALS

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11. "RE: SEMIFINALS!!!"
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Why read posts if you don't watch the games?

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3. "NOTICIAS DE ULTIMA HORA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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4. "archive"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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5. "the privilege of playing on an all-time great team & competent org-chart"
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Imagine LeBron on that kind of a caliber team?

In Bron's last year w/ Cleveland during his first stint - they won 61 games. The very next year they win 19 games! lol

yiiiiiiikes.

Further, in Bron's last season with Miami - they won 54 games and made it to the Finals. The very next year? 37 wins and didn't even make the playoffs.

Meanwhile Jordan was cushioned by the greatest Robin of all-time and had championship pieces all around him. He leaves - the Bulls experience very subtle drop-off and still compete at a very high-level. In Jordan's last season w/ the Bulls prior to taking a hiatus - the Bulls won 57 games. The year after with Pippen at the helm?
They win 55 games! Great team.

#MustBeNice

  

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7. "GIVE HIM TONI KUKOC AND IT'S A WRAP"
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Oddly '94 Kukoc WOULD have challenged Love as the second best player in this Cavs team

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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8. "RE: GIVE HIM TONI KUKOC AND IT'S A WRAP"
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>Oddly '94 Kukoc WOULD have challenged Love as the second best
>player in this Cavs team

sad but true.

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14. "RE: GIVE HIM TONI KUKOC AND IT'S A WRAP"
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>>Oddly '94 Kukoc WOULD have challenged Love as the second
>best
>>player in this Cavs team
>
>sad but true.
>
>-->

Why sad? Kukoc was a damn good basketball player, especially at that point in his career.

  

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41. "because he was a Bulls fan from '91-'93 and '96-'98"
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59. "RE: GIVE HIM TONI KUKOC AND IT'S A WRAP"
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>Why sad? Kukoc was a damn good basketball player, especially
>at that point in his career.

Kukoc was quite good - but the notion that you'd win a title w/ him as your 2nd best player is suspect.

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63. "Hakeem won a title with Otis Thorpe as his 2nd best player"
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>Kukoc was quite good - but the notion that you'd win a title
>w/ him as your 2nd best player is suspect.

so.

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124. "Hakeem did the most with the least ever, even more than Cap or Dirk"
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God-like performances in 94 and 95.

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129. "more than Duncan in 03?"
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Hakeem had twice as many teammates avg dbl digits in the playoffs as Timmy did

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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147. "I'ma still say yes, at least the Spurs had some talent"
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That first Rockets team was really piecemeal

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40. "'95 Kucoc would have"
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'94 was his first year in the NBA + was still adjusting to the league. '95 though, yeah.


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17. "He had this in Miami and went 2-2 FOH"
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19. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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24. "jordan's Bulls wasn't beating that spurs team either"
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and the Mavs year was his first year in Miami. They got outcoached

  

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27. "prime bulls stomp all over them and i loved that spurs team."
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>and the Mavs year was his first year in Miami. They got
>outcoached

lol many things happened, being outcoached was not the main problem.
one of the main problems was lebron shrinking in those finals which people are still wondering about to this day. that was classic passive-lebron.

a year later it was bosh saving bron's ass against bsoton in gm7.
and ray allen saved his ass against the spurs with an all-time miracle sequence.

great player. just not the goat yall want him to be.

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28. "spit that game to these lames!"
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53. "goddamn y'all gotta stop listening to sports talk"
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Mavs won that series on the defensive end due to using the zone and forcing Bron to get the ball out of his hands and making the *right* play.
Spolestra got undressed that series. Bron could have been more aggressive, sure, but that series got won by scheme.

ONLY good team the Bulls beat in the finals was the Suns.

  

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54. "RE: goddamn y'all gotta stop listening to sports talk"
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>Mavs won that series on the defensive end due to using the
>zone and forcing Bron to get the ball out of his hands and
>making the *right* play.
>Spolestra got undressed that series. Bron could have been more
>aggressive, sure, but that series got won by scheme.
>
>ONLY good team the Bulls beat in the finals was the Suns.

Lol, cmon.

Blazers and Sonics were “good”. Blazers were in their second finals in 3 years.

Lakers were good too, but they were shot when Worthy got hurt. That would’ve been a good series otherwise IMO.

  

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60. "lol got it, u completely clueless. just watch games before u post."
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all this shit u type is a waste of time.
btw, mofo was the third best player on the heat in that series. FOH
no escapin this.





''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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61. "absolutely no counter argument. Got it."
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Cool.

  

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62. "u said the suns were the only good team lol. the discussion ends here. "
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you want me to watch old games with you?
no counter arguments for that type of cluelesness from me. that's like arguing with those flat earth people.

btw, lebron disappeared in the mavs finals.
yeah right, mavs the only team that figured out how to stop lebron lol
are you the guy that put the soft cast on lebron's hand before the presser?
FOH

''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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73. "RE: u said the suns were the only good team lol. the discussion ends her..."
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The Blazers were a missed layup from 3 straight Finals but they were not good. Not good like Dirk Nowitzki's Mavs, I'm guessing lolz.

The Lakers weren't GOOD?


The Jazz were NOT GOOD?


THE SEATTLE SUPERSONICS WERE NOT GOOD?????



LORD HAVE MERCY ON THESE MOTHERFUCKERS

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36. "PLEAS COPPED! LMAO wow"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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25. "add in his other pair of all nba teammates and its 3-3"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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26. "never happened! 8 straight finals in the wack ass east tho = goat!"
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''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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37. "I dunno I mean playing these games is getting boring"
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It was a lot more fun and easy to bash the fuck out of Kobestan and their weak arguments like ZOMG BRON LOST TO DALLAS when their team as defending champions got sodomized in a four-game sweep the same season.

The Jordan thing, ehhh, the only thing you can really say is that his peak was diluted by expansion but in terms of his individual performance, it's pretty much beyond reproach. Similarly with LeBron the same is true and all that can be said is that generally he hasn't had the very best team top to bottom in the league. It is starting to reek of one of those eternal, pointless arguments unless the Kang keeps going and in the right situation to boot.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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44. "RE: I dunno I mean playing these games is getting boring"
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>It was a lot more fun and easy to bash the fuck out of
>Kobestan and their weak arguments like ZOMG BRON LOST TO
>DALLAS when their team as defending champions got sodomized in
>a four-game sweep the same season.

true.

>The Jordan thing, ehhh, the only thing you can really say is
>that his peak was diluted by expansion but in terms of his
>individual performance, it's pretty much beyond reproach.
>Similarly with LeBron the same is true and all that can be
>said is that generally he hasn't had the very best team top to
>bottom in the league. It is starting to reek of one of those
>eternal, pointless arguments unless the Kang keeps going and
>in the right situation to boot.

yea I more/less agree. Thing is: I still have Jordan as GOAT - and Bron as 1(b) (which most would say is #2). But the notion that Jordan's resume is unblemished simply because he never lost in the Finals is a lazy analysis - as is not acknowledging the nuances of team dynamics and playing with all-time great talent.


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47. "Hmmmm ..."
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http://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/bil-wilt-lakers.jpg

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57. "RE: Hmmmm ..."
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>http://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/bil-wilt-lakers.jpg

It's a shame that I wasn't able to watch Wilt (before my time) - and it's an even bigger shame that it's hard to re-capture his greatness as there wasn't really any replay/coverage of him that can be easily accessed - so I just have to take people's word for his dominance. I've got him in my top 5 - mainly because of deference to the mythic history of him - and because you can't just fake the kind of stats and output that he achieved.

But I wish I could've seen him in his prime.

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125. "Wilt Chamberlain archive on YouTube, lots of stuff"
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game footage, programs, etc. The dude was from another planet.

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6. "bro, there's still time"
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...I wipe my feet on your CD covers like welcome mats. Bienvenidos...How bout that? (c)Ab Soul

  

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13. "RE: bro, there's still time"
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Indeed there is — to apologize to LeBron James.
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9. "Check the archives. I’m sure you said something about it in 1994."
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I remember you saying something like...

“Pippen is better without Jordan. He’s the real Alpha.



I’m enjoying this Papya and Kiwi Capri Sun.....






It’s so delicious.




















You Mad?















I’m about to go watch Duck Tales.









MJ is a non curve hitting fraud.


















I miss David Dinkins.














Still Mad?

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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10. "RE: Check the archives. I’m sure you said something about it in 1994."
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WOULD READ AGAIN

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12. "Yikes. This one hurt me. Time for another break, OE"
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A long one.

You need to compose yourself.

  

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16. "Jambone, you need to come out of the closet"
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15. "Google "Blazers Pippen""
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32. "Serious question...WTF happened to homie"
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If people are going to assume MJ wasn't shit without Pip...WTF happened to him when he left CHI?

It was like overnight...dude went from one of the best...to a ring chasing vet trying to squeeze every ounce out of a career

He was not THAT good in HOU or POR...and basically became a defense first kinda player...?

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you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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55. "that Blazers squad was loaded, so he played a different role"
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didn't need to do as much in the scheme as he did in chicago.

  

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56. "he had back surgery and was 33"
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Those last playoffs and finals in Chicago, it seemed like he was gutting it out but didn’t have it physically like he used to and was limited. Then he had back surgery that summer.

Still a smart and skilled player, but that athleticism wasn’t what it was pre-back problems.

  

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142. "Back-e-otomy, got it, thanks "
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you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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18. "Please discuss shoulda gone to the NBA Finals, TBH"
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20. "LoLz"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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22. "lol"
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lebron stans almost more pressed to change the narative than lebron himself with his corny press conference exit.

''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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23. "he really ain't come back to the thread. SMH. "
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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29. "best move at this point."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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34. "DC in a few weeks. Let's have dinner. I'm serious. "
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I'm serious. I'll inbox you.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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38. "lol...aight"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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30. "*patiently awaits the BWAHAHAHAHA reply*"
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----
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31. "*leisurely roasts a hotdog on a stick*"
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______________________________
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33. "Good looks...y'all answered my question. I KNEW that couldn't be true. "
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Bulls were too ass cheeks for that, Pippen was some shit

  

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35. "Watch this..."
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Thu Jun-14-18 01:02 PM by auragin_boi

  

          

Jordan actually made his teammates better...he pushed them to improve and aim for excellence...even sometimes at the expense of alienating them (Kerr). And they still loved and revered him for it. They all worked harder because of and for him and when he took his break...that success was still sustainable...to a degree.

They needed him to win it all.

And mind you, they added some offensive firepower they didn't have the year prior in Kukoc which helped ease the offensive burden and BJ Armstrong developed (thanks to MJ as well).

While on the other hand, Bron is like a f*cking black hole of dependency. He refuses to take his foot off of the usage pedal because he's hella pressed to correct the mistakes of Finals past, as he chases a ghost he can only catch by winning.

So when his stat hounding ass departs a city, it's worse for ware BECAUSE he was there. He has to make every pass, get every rebound, score a bulk of the points. Yet, he wanted to run away from taking the blame and STILL does (broken hand cuz you punched a wall in the midst of the finals?...you f*cking idiot).

So instead of his teammates actually getting better because of his presence, they flail and flop when he leaves because of his excessive need to be depended on.

Playoff Bron is essentially the non-scowling version of Westbrook. He, in essence, makes his team mates LAZY and less than they could actually be. But because he does, it masks all the deficits of the squad and so they win, with the east being so weak, and it worked well enough to get them to the finals, where 'anything can happen'. A suspension or injury and tides change rapidly.

And let's stop acting like LeBron James is coachable. He's not. He's likable, talented and a cash cow so organizations let him do what he wants. Coaches consult him and it started as a rookie because the Cavs had no idea how to handle a talent that bright.

Even Jordan had to be coached up and change his approach a bit to be more successful. But because Bron is uncoachable, he's fallen short of what he could have been.

So, with that said, LeBronon, pray that your king goes somewhere that has a few other allstars that he's comfortable with and coach willing to shrink and let Bron run the show. Because father time stalking him and he's running out of opportunities. The league is targeting both him and the Warriors and they've almost caught up with Bron.

Right today, there's only a handful of scenarios that gets LeBron 2 more rings. And even THOSE are shrinking.

Ultimately, history respects winners and accomplishments not losers and excuses.

You want this throne...come take it.

Otherwise, keep crying about teammates and sit beneath it for all time.

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42. "RE: Watch this..."
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>Jordan actually made his teammates better...he pushed them to
>improve and aim for excellence...even sometimes at the expense
>of alienating them (Kerr). And they still loved and revered
>him for it. They all worked harder because of and for him and
>when he took his break...that success was still
>sustainable...to a degree.
>
>They needed him to win it all.
>
>And mind you, they added some offensive firepower they didn't
>have the year prior in Kukoc which helped ease the offensive
>burden and BJ Armstrong developed (thanks to MJ as well).
>
>While on the other hand, Bron is like a f*cking black hole of
>dependency. He refuses to take his foot off of the usage
>pedal because he's hella pressed to correct the mistakes of
>Finals past, as he chases a ghost he can only catch by
>winning.
>
>So when his stat hounding ass departs a city, it's worse for
>ware BECAUSE he was there. He has to make every pass, get
>every rebound, score a bulk of the points. Yet, he wanted to
>run away from taking the blame and STILL does (broken hand cuz
>you punched a wall in the midst of the finals?...you f*cking
>idiot).
>
>So instead of his teammates actually getting better because of
>his presence, they flail and flop when he leaves because of
>his excessive need to be depended on.
>
>Playoff Bron is essentially the non-scowling version of
>Westbrook. He, in essence, makes his team mates LAZY and less
>than they could actually be. But because he does, it masks
>all the deficits of the squad and so they win, with the east
>being so weak, and it worked well enough to get them to the
>finals, where 'anything can happen'. A suspension or injury
>and tides change rapidly.
>
>And let's stop acting like LeBron James is coachable. He's
>not. He's likable, talented and a cash cow so organizations
>let him do what he wants. Coaches consult him and it started
>as a rookie because the Cavs had no idea how to handle a
>talent that bright.
>
>Even Jordan had to be coached up and change his approach a bit
>to be more successful. But because Bron is uncoachable, he's
>fallen short of what he could have been.
>
>So, with that said, LeBronon, pray that your king goes
>somewhere that has a few other allstars that he's comfortable
>with and coach willing to shrink and let Bron run the show.
>Because father time stalking him and he's running out of
>opportunities. The league is targeting both him and the
>Warriors and they've almost caught up with Bron.
>
>Right today, there's only a handful of scenarios that gets
>LeBron 2 more rings. And even THOSE are shrinking.
>
>Ultimately, history respects winners and accomplishments not
>losers and excuses.
>
>You want this throne...come take it.
>
>Otherwise, keep crying about teammates and sit beneath it for
>all time.


https://tinyurl.com/y9favqg8

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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Beamer6178
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93. "I need to save this ish for future plea cops I encounter on social media"
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>Jordan actually made his teammates better...he pushed them to
>improve and aim for excellence...even sometimes at the expense
>of alienating them (Kerr). And they still loved and revered
>him for it. They all worked harder because of and for him and
>when he took his break...that success was still
>sustainable...to a degree.
>
>They needed him to win it all.
>
>And mind you, they added some offensive firepower they didn't
>have the year prior in Kukoc which helped ease the offensive
>burden and BJ Armstrong developed (thanks to MJ as well).
>
>While on the other hand, Bron is like a f*cking black hole of
>dependency. He refuses to take his foot off of the usage
>pedal because he's hella pressed to correct the mistakes of
>Finals past, as he chases a ghost he can only catch by
>winning.
>
>So when his stat hounding ass departs a city, it's worse for
>ware BECAUSE he was there. He has to make every pass, get
>every rebound, score a bulk of the points. Yet, he wanted to
>run away from taking the blame and STILL does (broken hand cuz
>you punched a wall in the midst of the finals?...you f*cking
>idiot).
>
>So instead of his teammates actually getting better because of
>his presence, they flail and flop when he leaves because of
>his excessive need to be depended on.
>
>Playoff Bron is essentially the non-scowling version of
>Westbrook. He, in essence, makes his team mates LAZY and less
>than they could actually be. But because he does, it masks
>all the deficits of the squad and so they win, with the east
>being so weak, and it worked well enough to get them to the
>finals, where 'anything can happen'. A suspension or injury
>and tides change rapidly.
>
>And let's stop acting like LeBron James is coachable. He's
>not. He's likable, talented and a cash cow so organizations
>let him do what he wants. Coaches consult him and it started
>as a rookie because the Cavs had no idea how to handle a
>talent that bright.
>
>Even Jordan had to be coached up and change his approach a bit
>to be more successful. But because Bron is uncoachable, he's
>fallen short of what he could have been.
>
>So, with that said, LeBronon, pray that your king goes
>somewhere that has a few other allstars that he's comfortable
>with and coach willing to shrink and let Bron run the show.
>Because father time stalking him and he's running out of
>opportunities. The league is targeting both him and the
>Warriors and they've almost caught up with Bron.
>
>Right today, there's only a handful of scenarios that gets
>LeBron 2 more rings. And even THOSE are shrinking.
>
>Ultimately, history respects winners and accomplishments not
>losers and excuses.
>
>You want this throne...come take it.
>
>Otherwise, keep crying about teammates and sit beneath it for
>all time.

You summed it all up beautifully. Captured sentiments I've heard before, on here as a matter of fact but haven't heard a lot since, when LeBron is being critiqued.

the phrase was "LeBron dominates the ball" which honestly hasn't changed and the seasons in which his teams won, it was because he didn't monopolize the ball. the beauty of the triangle is that it got the team on the floor regular touches of the ball, rather than just sitting and waiting for LeBron to do something.

But damn, you laid it out so nice. That's why OL Engrid stayed all the way away from that, talmbout "Jordan was 1-9 without Pippen"

  

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39. "Pippenomics is a zero sum game (c) The Money Man"
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43. "Wait...if Bron smashed Beyonce...I might take it all back lol"
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45. "Nope - Vex didn't see them cavorting in nightclubs so that's impossible."
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46. "Pippen is not a HOF w/o 23"
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Not sure who you trying to save but 6 is the modern day number. Anything less is less.

Funny that dudes trying to go the judges score cards trying to make a case. Shit already settled on the courts. 6 >

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

  

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48. "When the debate was about Kobe, the number was set to 7"
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Now that we’re talking about LeBron, 3 with a slew of turded up stats is ok. Just so there’s no confusion though. Bron > Kobe. But the hypocrisy and post moving is funny to watch.

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49. "i remember the partying in 12-13"
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cats were so sure he was getting 7.

lulz

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50. "8."
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51. "Haha"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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52. "Oh, if Lebron has Pippen, he got 5 at least. (easily) "
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64. "LeBron had Wade, the 3rd or 4th best SG of all time "
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and couldn't get 4

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65. "Lebron has won without Wade tho. Jordan without Pippen? 1-9. "
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Ouch

  

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66. "not without Kyrie tho"
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78. "Zacklee. Everyone needs help. That's the point, Threesome Jackson"
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81. "also lost 3 Finals WITH Kyrie/Wade"
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thats where your comparison falls apart

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104. "You had 2 fake threesomes with nose tackles"
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Hi

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110. "funny...no one else seems to think i was lying 🤔"
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they may think it was a corny post (it was) but no one is cosigning it being a lie

see what a reputation for honesty can do for you?

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118. "Oh, almost everyone knows you were lying. "
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>they may think it was a corny post (it was) but no one is
>cosigning it being a lie
>
>see what a reputation for honesty can do for you?

No one who actually has brag-worthy threesomes talks
it on the internet to celebrate their team winning the
championship

It's a lie.

And even your fantasy/lie featured you and two nosetackles,
which is pretty gross, even as lies go

  

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123. "so pressed lmao"
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127. "^Says the man lying about a Threesome on the internet"
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Hi

  

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128. "*patiently waits for aomeone to agree with you*"
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130. "Shhh. I'm busy three-soming with 2 Roseanne Barrs"
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75. "Jordan didn't switch teams ring chasing...ouch"
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77. "Didn't have to! He had a healthy franchise player sidekick! "
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84. "Scottie Pippen never did anything as his teams best player"
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not one goddamned thing

the best team he ever played on post-Jordan was unequivocally Sheed's team

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85. "Wade never accomplished anything without LeBron & Shaq"
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so point is moot.

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86. "ah, but Wade won a ring and Finals MVP as number 1"
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Pippen never even earned the chamce to compete for that honor

what else ya got?

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89. "oh but shaq wasn't "racing towards washed-ville" in '06 tho huh?"
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lolz

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90. "he was - but not quite there yet. Just like Wade in 2013"
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and just like Wade carried Shaq -- Bron carried Wade.


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91. "jordan carry pippen, or no?"
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92. "Dat Waitzkin! ^^^ https://i0.wp.com/popdose.com/wp-content/uploads/Bobb..."
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https://i0.wp.com/popdose.com/wp-content/uploads/Bobby-Fischer.jpeg?resize=1280%2C860

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94. "of course - but MJ had to carry a much lighter burden."
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Pippen was all-world defensively (10-time all defensive team) - and could score with super versatility. He was an original all-purpose swiss-knife wing superstar - and it enabled Jordan to be able to focus on volume scoring - knowing that Pip would be there to do everything else. That's a luxury LeBron has never had. Wade never defended at an elite-level during Bron's Miami years. And Irving was more of a liability than an asset defensively.

Could Jordan have carried a heavier load? Perhaps - but how heavy? He didn't fare well at all early in his career against competent playoff teams. We know how LeBron has performed when tasked to carry a heavy load. Nobody has carried a heavier one than he did in 2017-2018 - and he achieved with GOAT productivity/results.

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95. "pippen ever carry ANYONE?"
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96. "yes. he carried the bulls (sans jordan) to a deep playoff run"
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an inch away from the Finals.

Did Wade ever carry a team to anything significant when he didn't have LeBron or Shaq?

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100. "Round 2 = “deep”?"
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Because Wade did that a few times without Shaq/LeBron and that’s where the Bulls made it in ‘94.

  

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102. "#FactAttack "
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When Jordan left - Pippen led the Bulls to virtually the exact same win-total (the year after) and they were a real factor in the playoffs.

If you look at the Heat’s record with Wade on the court outside of those 6 seasons with Shaq or LeBron, they’re .502 (127-126). If you look at their playoff success without Shaq or LeBron, they’ve never accomplished anything. Even if you look at that terrible '07-08 season during which Shaq was traded, Miami was only 4-11 with both Wade and Shaq playing in the same game, yet Wade without Shaq got really bad, going 6-30.

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105. "So? Round 2 is round 2"
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Pippen was a great player and had a phenomenal year in ‘94.

Should be noted that Toni Kukoc was a big addition. It’s not like they had the same exact team minus Jordan. In fact, Kukoc hit a game winning shot in the playoffs while Pippen sat out because the shot wasn’t drawn up for him.

Jordan never won without significant help....and neither did LeBron. Or anyone else.

  

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106. "nah, bro."
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>Jordan never won without significant help....and neither did
>LeBron. Or anyone else.

lebron took a weak supporting cast to the finals, and conquered eastern juggernauts while doing it. jordan with a weak supporting cast went 1-9.

when lebron leaves teams they go 0-82. when jordan leaves they're still basically just as good without him.

pippen was the real key to jordan's success. wade was a washed up bum when he played with lebron.

get with the program.

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113. "HOT TAKE ALERT."
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I like the tactic: revert to hyperbole when faced with unsightly facts.

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115. "#A!"
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136. "hyperbole like "an inch from the finals?""
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>I like the tactic: revert to hyperbole when faced with
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101. "By inch do you mean 25 feet?"
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>an inch away from the Finals.
>
>Did Wade ever carry a team to anything significant when he
>didn't have LeBron or Shaq?
>
>-->
Because the Eastern Conference Finals was the Knicks and Pacers.

Both of you motherfuckers have literally recreated history to fit this dissertation titled "Why Lebron Doesn't Have More Rings"

Although in fairness, you aren't the only two to do this. Although it's sad since your partner in coppage was already exposed for the bullshit and you come through and replicate it.

  

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108. "more blatant lying lol"
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111. "he carried CHI to 2nd round, Wade carried MIA to 2nd round w/o Shaq/Bron"
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>an inch away from the (Eastern Conference) Finals.

fixed it for you.


>Did Wade ever carry a team to anything significant when he
>didn't have LeBron or Shaq?

he carried a team as far as Pippen did when he didn't have Jorn.

time to conjure up a new narrative, this one's fallen off the rails.

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112. "repeatedly overstating the greatness of the '94 bulls..."
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...to throw dirt on the GOAT.

'scust face.

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114. "RE: repeatedly overstating the greatness of the '94 bulls..."
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>...to throw dirt on the GOAT.

Not overstating. That was a very good '94 Bulls team that was one botched call away from beating the eventual Eastern Conf. champs. Not crazy at all to assume that they go to the Finals if the officials were competent.

Look - I've already stated that Jordan is GOAT - but if you're going to tirelessly criticize LeBron's resume - don't get all sensitive when critical analysis is done on Jordan as well.

I know you're a Chicago homer and all - but worry not - Jordan's legacy is secure.

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117. "it's gonna be ok."
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119. "yes, please quote me more. Glad you enjoy my work."
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120. "guilty as charged. always have been a big spec-fic / allohistory fan."
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A!!!

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122. "lmao"
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131. "Lolz"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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97. "oh, so now scoring is a MUCH lighter burden? LOL"
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>Pippen was all-world defensively (10-time all defensive team)
>- and could score with super versatility. He was an original
>all-purpose swiss-knife wing superstar - and it enabled Jordan
>to be able to focus on volume scoring - knowing that Pip would
>be there to do everything else. That's a luxury LeBron has
>never had. Wade never defended at an elite-level during
>Bron's Miami years. And Irving was more of a liability than
>an asset defensively.
on the flip side....because Jordan demanded so much attention from teams on the defensive end, how about Pippen having a much easier time getting his buckets and focusing on other things since he didn't HAVE to score a lot of points?

>Could Jordan have carried a heavier load? Perhaps - but how
>heavy? He didn't fare well at all early in his career against
>competent playoff teams. We know how LeBron has performed
>when tasked to carry a heavy load. Nobody has carried a
>heavier one than he did in 2017-2018 - and he achieved with
>GOAT productivity/results.

A Milwaukee Bucks team that almost won 60 games and the Boston Celtics of the 80s. Those were not competent, they were SUPERIOR teams. It's convenient to act like he just shot the ball but he was also getting steady rebounds and assists. The scoring load that MJ took on with respect to his rebounds and assists was MUCH higher proportionally than the "everything else" that Pippen took on with lower scoring numbers.

LeBron stat hounding/productivity comes from having the ball in his hands almost all of the time. It also comes at the expense of having more teammates who are ready when the moment comes for them. Paxson and Kerr were very solid role players/specialists who stepped up when the moment called for them, but let's not act like they were EVER anything more than that. The big shift was in Jordan starting to trust more of his teammates and letting everyone work within the system, not just giving them the ball when he chose to and expecting them to be in a rhythm regardless.

  

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139. "So when MJ put up 31/8/6 in '91 playoffs including 31/11/7 in the Finals"
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leading the team in scoring/assists/steals/blocks both in the Finals & throughout their entire playoff run, he wasn't carrying a heavy burden & only had to focus on volume scoring while Pip did everything else? Lolz.

>never had. Wade never defended at an elite-level during
>Bron's Miami years.

LOL

And Irving was more of a liability than
>an asset defensively.

Lebron's greatest teammate!

>Could Jordan have carried a heavier load? Perhaps - but how
>heavy? He didn't fare well at all early in his career against
>competent playoff teams.

'86 Celtics = "competent playoff team" - #A!

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141. "Jordan was 1-9 without Pippen, tho. "
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Can have an honest discussion about that, or naw?


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143. "RE: Jordan was 1-9 without Pippen, tho. "
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Celtics of the 80s were two of those teams, 59 Bucks were the other

Lebron has gotten SWEPT in TWO FINALS, most recently WITH Kevin Love.

Lebron also averaged 17.8 ppg WITH Wade and Bosh. Were they TOO MUCH HELP???

Please advise.



>Can have an honest discussion about that, or naw?
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>
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>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
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87. "Bron still .500 when he got one...ouch."
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67. "re: Wade, the 3rd or 4th best SG of all time "
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yea - in 2006.

by 2012/2013 Wade was already racing towards washed-ville.

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68. "wade was 3rd in the league in PER in 2012. 7th in 2013."
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3rd team all-nba and 10th in mvp voting both years.

but yeah, washed.

lolz. you and your narratives, fam.

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70. "dude has said before that wade was already washed by 2009"
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when he won the scoring title, made 1st team All-NBA, 2nd team All-Defense, & 3rd in MVP.

<------- #deGroMVP

  

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71. "RE: wade was 3rd in the league in PER in 2012. 7th in 2013."
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how'd he do in the Finals in 2013 & 2014?

What was his PER?

Since everyone likes to disregard the MVP-level season James had in 2011 and throughout the eastern conference playoffs - let's be equitable and use the same discernment when assessing Wade.

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72. "2013: 20/5/4 with 2 spg and 1.3 bpg to go with it"
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2014 was boatrace with 15ppg differential

that aint on Wade, and Wade wasnt defending Finals MVP Kawhi Leonard, so....

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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74. "loooooot of excuses. "
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76. "Jordan won two rings tho:"
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https://tinyurl.com/jordanbetteryup

https://tinyurl.com/yupjordanbetter

Numbers are pretty much the same. Pip was better in the offs the first year, Wade the second.

Same age.
Similar numbers.
Same # of seasons.


One had a finals MVP though. The other was a career side-kick.

Jordan got 2 rings.
Bron was batting .500.

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79. "Jordan was 1-9 without Pippen. Was a stinking loser. Fact. "
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>https://tinyurl.com/jordanbetteryup
>
>https://tinyurl.com/yupjordanbetter
>
>Numbers are pretty much the same. Pip was better in the offs
>the first year, Wade the second.
>
>Same age.
>Similar numbers.
>Same # of seasons.
>
>
>One had a finals MVP though. The other was a career
>side-kick.
>
>Jordan got 2 rings.
>Bron was batting .500.
>
>*Fingerpistols*


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98. "Bron didn't win nothing until he colluded...fact"
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99. "More facts"
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post game loser ass quote by Bron:

“All the people that was rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today,” James said. “They have the same personal problems they had today. I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want to do with me and my family and be happy with that. They can get a few days or a few months or whatever the case may be on being happy about not only myself, but the Miami Heat not accomplishing their goal, but they have to get back to the real world at some point.”


MORE FACTS

LEBRON’S STATS IN THE 2011 FINALS
GM1 (W): 24 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists (9-16 fg)
GM2 (L): 20 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists (8-15 fg)
GM3 (W): 17 points, 3 rebounds, 9 assists (6-14 fg)
GM4 (L): 8 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists (3-11 fg)
GM5 (L): 17 points, 10 rebounds, 10 assists (8-19 fg)
GM6 (L): 21 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists (9-15 fg)




  

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103. "Science: Jordan was a bum ass loser without Pippen"
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Hi

  

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107. "Jordan NEVER scored 8 pts in a finals game LMAO"
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GM4 (L): 8 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists (3-11 fg)

OUUUUUUUUCH!

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109. "Science: LeBron was a bum ass loser WITH Wade and Bosh"
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>GM4 (L): 8 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists (3-11 fg)
>
>OUUUUUUUUCH!

  

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121. "Lebron was 1-9? When? Jordan was a stat padding bum w/no Pippn"
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Cry, wimp

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134. "LeBron is and was a stat padding bum without Wade and Kyrie"
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And when he got help, he was a mediocre great at best.

That's why he loses the argument.

Always the beta to Jordan's alpha. No shame in being the best beta of all time though.

*fingerpistols*

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140. "Actually, Lebron got the NBA FINALS w/ NO sidekick. Jordan? 1-9. "
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Jordan was a bum loser.


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145. "and SWEPT with a sidekick this year"
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>Jordan was a bum loser.
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>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
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146. "Lebron got swept with a Pippen talent? Where? When? "
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Oh

  

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150. "RE: Lebron got swept with a Pippen talent? Where? When? "
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>
>Oh

You said "sidekick" not "Pippen"

Kevin Love, all star and 4th best player on the floor

I know, it's only acceptable to minimize players when they're LeBron's teammates.

  

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116. "RE: More facts"
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>LEBRON’S STATS IN THE 2011 FINALS
>GM1 (W): 24 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists (9-16 fg)
>GM2 (L): 20 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists (8-15 fg)
>GM3 (W): 17 points, 3 rebounds, 9 assists (6-14 fg)
>GM4 (L): 8 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists (3-11 fg)
>GM5 (L): 17 points, 10 rebounds, 10 assists (8-19 fg)
>GM6 (L): 21 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists (9-15 fg)

^better & more efficient than Wade in the 2014 Finals. Why does nobody ever mention that though?



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135. "Because the sidekick doesn't get the responsibility"
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the lead does.

Nobody would blame Pippen for a Jordan loss in the finals. They'd blame Mike.

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137. "could be the 17.8 ppg average"
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>
>>LEBRON’S STATS IN THE 2011 FINALS
>>GM1 (W): 24 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists (9-16 fg)
>>GM2 (L): 20 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists (8-15 fg)
>>GM3 (W): 17 points, 3 rebounds, 9 assists (6-14 fg)
>>GM4 (L): 8 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists (3-11 fg)
>>GM5 (L): 17 points, 10 rebounds, 10 assists (8-19 fg)
>>GM6 (L): 21 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists (9-15 fg)
>
>^better & more efficient than Wade in the 2014 Finals. Why
>does nobody ever mention that though?

and the fact that just 5-10 more inefficient points in each game and the Heat have the chip.

but stay waxing poetic on his PER and stat collecting. we'll stick to RANGS

  

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82. "LOL @ those tinyurl link names"
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>https://tinyurl.com/jordanbetteryup
>
>https://tinyurl.com/yupjordanbetter

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83. "yikes!"
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88. "RE: Jordan won two rings tho:"
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https://goo.gl/images/sjE9As

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80. "well you would know from excuses. "
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69. "shouldn't have wasted 2011 then."
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>by 2012/2013 Wade was already racing towards washed-ville.

22/5/5 on 51% FG, so nah.

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58. "he's got more than Wilt - as many as Bird."
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He's won plenty. He's a winner. Anything else is just icing.

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126. "Horry and Steve Kerr on GOAT status lol b/w you buggin, Pip a HOF'er"
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Pip would have been a HOF'er in any setting, man, come on. We are talking about one of the best two-way players ever. Not only a HOF'er, but a top 50 guy.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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133. "imo THE best 2-way player (bigs excluded)"
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151. "are you aware that Jordan was 9x 1st team All-Defense + won DPOY?"
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153. "LMAO"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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Beamer6178
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138. "All star yes, but don't know if he'd have been HOF or top 50 guy"
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>Pip would have been a HOF'er in any setting, man, come on. We
>are talking about one of the best two-way players ever. Not
>only a HOF'er, but a top 50 guy.

is it a coincidence that Pip is probably the best perimeter defender ever, or a by product of who he had to go against in practice every day?

Pip caught some heat for being mentally soft as the Bulls were on the verge of their first 3 peat. Will never forget how MJ got up in X-Man's face when Pip didn't have that yet, and this was AFTER the first ring.

Like AB said, MJ was not the best teammate, but he was exacting of his teammates who never rose to greater heights than when they played with him.

Except for Lebron's superstar teammates, we don't remember ANY of his supporting cast doing anything memorable because they spent so much time standing around and waiting for him to get them the ball.

Paxson and Kerr's name still RING in these streets, Kerr parlayed into some more rings with the Spurs and later a coaching gig with three time champs. #jordaneffect

  

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ConcreteCharlie
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149. "woooooow, you gonna pull something reaching like that, my guy"
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>is it a coincidence that Pip is probably the best perimeter
>defender ever, or a by product of who he had to go against in
>practice every day?

oh ok so now jordan gets credit for playing against him in practice? hahahahaha, wow, the deification and knob slobbing of jordan reaching new heights here.

>Pip caught some heat for being mentally soft as the Bulls were
>on the verge of their first 3 peat. Will never forget how MJ
>got up in X-Man's face when Pip didn't have that yet, and this
>was AFTER the first ring.

he wasn't confrontational enough? hmmm. maybe pat ewing disagrees.

>Like AB said, MJ was not the best teammate, but he was
>exacting of his teammates who never rose to greater heights
>than when they played with him.

I mean Pippen played his entire prime in Chicago, had a role reduction in Houston and Portland although he still played very effectively well into his 30s.

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>Except for Lebron's superstar teammates, we don't remember ANY
>of his supporting cast doing anything memorable because they
>spent so much time standing around and waiting for him to get
>them the ball.

I mean that was the game most of those guys played their whole careers. They are set shooters. Are you going to tell me people remember the Paxsons, Kerrs, Armstrongs and Hodges of the world? Maybe for a big shot in one or two cases but not really.

>Paxson and Kerr's name still RING in these streets, Kerr
>parlayed into some more rings with the Spurs and later a
>coaching gig with three time champs. #jordaneffect

So do Robert Horry and Derek Fisher, so does Sam Jones, so does any set shooter who played on great title teams. Who was in that role in Miami? Ray Allen. They are still making shoes commemorating his big shots. This just seems like a bullshit argument that starts from the premise of elevating MJ above his teammates and competitors historically and works backward from there

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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imo
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144. "Pippen is Mitch Richmond status w/o 23; not a HOF"
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I dont think most of yall watched these finals. Yall box score watching but somehow skip the box score when Pippen doesnt show up. Pippen struggled to score consistently and wasn't an efficient scorer either. He disappeared during large portions of the game. Pippen always defended well but 23 shouldered the offensive load for the team and played D.

Pippen by himself would've just avg in the low 20s for his career. Thats not a HOF in my book w/o at least a chip as Finals MVP.







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stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

  

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ConcreteCharlie
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148. "Uh, Richmond is in the HOF LMAO"
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And Pip was a better defender and creator than Richmond, though I think Richmond was a bit better scorer.

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152. "They snuck his meh ass in for the 2014 class, I didnt notice"
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He was my standing non HOF example. I gotta update my example. But Mitch is not a HOF. His career deserves to be forgotten.

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

  

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132. "Brady never develops into a HOF w/o Bill, but Brady did and he is."
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