better talent? better career? all of that...

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CP3 was robbed of an MVP but just the same he never won one. You can argue about 2001 but Iverson had better seasons in 03 and 05 anyway.

Paul is obviously a better defender and floor general but he also had a way of being abrasive that didn't help him in his career. Iverson has him in terms of scoring by a wide margin and had he been a true point guard he could have been the playmaker Paul is and even more, super skilled passer. On the flipside, Paul often scored more when called upon. I don't think he could be a consistent high 20/low 30s scorer but close enough.

Without looking I will guess they have won the exact same number of playoff series, though Paul has been on better teams overall (maybe mitigated by being in the West but I dunno).

It's close but to me Iverson was a more dominant star. Both guys are very talented even though they used their talents in different ways. You would be thrilled to have either one on your team starting their career, obviously

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with actual video footage of officials explaining his phantom fouls. turned a promising career into a self-fulfilling prophecy, never mind that he was basically LeBron before LeBron at one point.

I knew that they'd probably job to Shaq and Kobe's Lakers but still. the way he was handled really turned me off. he was the anti-Cheese Eyes.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/convicted-ref-donaghy-says-iverson-targeted-1.839107

literally word for word.

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Billy King's incompetence did all that heavy lifting.

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like that time Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing, that just seems odd.

He was too quick to hand-check effectively. In a "true" man-to-man league (e.g. one where you had to hide zone defenses), he would have eaten like crazy.

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both stellar in their own right.

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Bubba was a once in a generation talent type imo: the stamina, quickness, athleticism, etc.. UNREAL!

CP3 is just a throwback to classic, traditional point guards, a great one nonetheless.

Only reason I'm even asking is the recent addition of CP3 in a lot of Top 25-30 players ever, with no mention of AI at all.. smh

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgPoints/seasontype/2

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https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html

Offensive Rating
2017-18 NBA 125.9 (5th)

Assists Per Game
2017-18 NBA 7.9 (6th)

Assist Pct
2017-18 NBA 40.9 (6th)

Win Shares Per 48 Minutes
2017-18 NBA .265 (3rd)

Box Plus/Minus
2017-18 NBA 7.1 (6th)

Offensive Box Plus/Minus
2017-18 NBA 6.2 (6th)

U Mad
2017-18 OKS 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (1st)

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Players ahead of CPPlea in;
Offensive Rating
1. Dwight Powell • DAL 128.9
2. Karl-Anthony Towns • MIN 126.7
3. Clint Capela • HOU 126.1
4. Darren Collison • IND 126.0

outside of KAT, no really a compelling argument

Assists Per Game
3 forwards >>>

Assist Pct
2 forwards and JJ Barea >>>

WS he's 12th, so let's juke the stats...Win Shares Per 48 Minutes
LOL

Offensive Box Plus/Minus
Advanced stats + CCPlea = Loser.

U Miserable waiting for 2018-219 OKS so you can CPA your way through another CPPlea L of a season
Dula (1st)

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http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgPoints/seasontype/2

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post #21:

>but the rest of that list is pretty solid as being ahead of
>CPPlea
>
>but you knew that
>
>James Harden
>Anthony Davis
>LeBron James
>Damian Lillard
>Giannis Antetokounmpo
>Kevin Durant
>Russell Westbrook
>Kyrie Irving
>LaMarcus Aldridge
>Victor Oladipo
>DeMar DeRozan
>Joel Embiid
>Bradley Beal
>Lou Williams
>Jimmy Butler
>Kemba Walker
>Paul George
>Blake Griffin
>CJ McCollum
>Karl-Anthony Towns
>Donovan Mitchell
>Khris Middleton
>Klay Thompson
>TJ Warren
>Dennis Schroder
>Jrue Holiday
>Harrison Barnes

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James Harden
>Anthony Davis
>LeBron James
>Damian Lillard
>Giannis Antetokounmpo
>Kevin Durant
>Russell Westbrook
>Kyrie Irving
>LaMarcus Aldridge
>Victor Oladipo

>Joel Embiid

>Jimmy Butler
>Kemba Walker
>Paul George
>Blake Griffin

>Karl-Anthony Towns
>Donovan Mitchell

>Klay Thompson

Simmons
Jokic
Brown
Tatum

Booker
Boogie
Unicorn
Dray
Gobert
Kawhi

That's 28...at least DJR answered the question directly...care to play...?

Post em up...where do you have the currently injured 33Y.O. heading into his 13th season perennially injured never been asked to the dance CPPlea?

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cool list bruh

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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

The math is actually very simple

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http://www.landofbasketball.com/year_by_year_stats/1985_1986_leaders_points_pg_rs.htm

He's not worthy

LOL@Magic's prime 'year' being the season prior to winning 3 MVPs

Do better

CPPlea never had a +20ppg +12 assist season..,and you can throw in 7 boards for good measure

C'mon son

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Only reason I'm even asking is the recent addition of CP3 in a lot of Top 25-30 players ever, with no mention of AI at all.. smh

^^^does this sound right to you and your advanced stats?

top 30 AT?

you've got a 33y.o. going into his 13th season recently injured often injured perennial runner up in the top 25-30 players in the league today?

enlighten me with your intelligence

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That’s why I posted Magic. Russell would work even better. Cmon, I know you know this.

No I probably wouldn’t have CP3 top 25-30 all time, but I also don’t spend time making lists like that. There’s a lot of guys though, top 25 ever is getting awfully tough to crack.

to generate names

you can cherry pick a few names off that list in the 20s...as you did

but the rest of that list is pretty solid as being ahead of CPPlea

but you knew that

James Harden
Anthony Davis
LeBron James
Damian Lillard
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Russell Westbrook
Kyrie Irving
LaMarcus Aldridge
Victor Oladipo
DeMar DeRozan
Joel Embiid
Bradley Beal
Lou Williams
Jimmy Butler
Kemba Walker
Paul George
Blake Griffin
CJ McCollum
Karl-Anthony Towns
Donovan Mitchell
Khris Middleton
Klay Thompson
TJ Warren
Dennis Schroder
Jrue Holiday
Harrison Barnes

So you're presenting a mathematical thesis...just to agree with me?

WTF

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There’s maybe 6 guys on that list that are clearly better than him and another 6-7 that are arguable.

For somebody who doesn't make these lists...LOL...

Simmons
Jokic
Brown
Tatum
Smith Jr
Booker
Boogie
Unicorn
Dray

...really doesn't feel like that far of a stretch today, IMO...

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>For somebody who doesn't make these lists...LOL...
>
>Simmons
>Jokic
>Brown
>Tatum
>Smith Jr
>Booker
>Boogie
>Unicorn
>Dray
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>...really doesn't feel like that far of a stretch today,
>IMO...

Yes, over all of them. Most of them aren’t close right today, IMO.

Boogie would be arguable without the injury but that’s a major one. Simmons won’t even take a jumper yet. If that changes to where it’s at least an option for him then maybe. But we saw what he did in close playoff games out there, and we also saw what Paul did. Don’t even see that one as arguable right today.

Smith isn’t even any good yet.

Brown - not yet.
Tatum - closer, but ....I’d go Paul but I’m not mad at someone going Tatum.
Booker - no
Porzingis - Nope.
Green - Nah.

MVP and carrying a team to the finals gives him a little edge, I’d say.

Paul looks poised to finish his career strong, where Iverson was a trainwreck after age 32. It’s close enough to where Paul’s career could top AI’s depending on how strong he finishes.

for me on the eye test AI got more out of himself and some cases he overachieved where CP3 has underachieved and yet he got a chance to be right there with him at the finish line of his career because he stats are the truth.

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