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"The Official 2018 NBA Prospect Thread 4 Thruthiness and Justivity"


  

          

Less than a month until the draft. You know the drill.

I'll list the prospects, you list your thoughts, as detailed or as basic ("he'll be good"/"he'll be sorry") as you want. As meticulously bias-free as possible or as blindly agenda-driven as you want.

Get on record before these guys play a single NBA game as to how you think they'll pan out. Stake claims, "buy stock," etc.

BUT DON'T BE LATE.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
DeAndre Ayton
Jun 04th 2018
1
best player in the draft
Jun 04th 2018
44
needed a better organization than phoenix or sacramento
Jun 04th 2018
47
All-Star potential... but some Nyquil fears.
Jun 04th 2018
65
bust
Jun 04th 2018
75
High ceiling/low floor for a No. 1 pick, gotta be managed right
Jun 04th 2018
90
borderline All-star...explain how he better than Myles Turner?
Jun 04th 2018
104
He produced on the college level. Doesn't appear to be pussy.
Jun 05th 2018
182
      so did myles. big deal.
Jun 25th 2018
313
I like Ayton but I get the Fultz vibes about him I had last yr
Jun 04th 2018
126
all star
Jun 05th 2018
158
no way he doesnt get his
Jun 20th 2018
244
Genuinely unsure, but if I had to lean to overpaid stat-padder or
Jun 20th 2018
256
Amare + jumper
Jun 21st 2018
263
Marvin Bagley
Jun 04th 2018
2
Second best player in the draft, KAT level
Jun 04th 2018
37
https://tinyurl.com/y9zzs27y
Jun 04th 2018
66
      was gonna say 95 percent KAT but what the hell
Jun 04th 2018
69
           KAT's the best big of his generation. So... no.
Jun 04th 2018
72
                so he's better than Brow? Good to know.
Jun 04th 2018
83
                he always act like 22YO KAT is sooo much younger than AD
Jun 04th 2018
88
                Its one or the other. Or Boogie. **shrugs**
Jun 04th 2018
89
                     KAT isn't the same stratosphere as Brow
Jun 04th 2018
95
                          He's more durable than AD. But they're different players.
Jun 04th 2018
103
                               one took over a playoff series, one disappeared in a playoff series
Jun 04th 2018
111
                                    One is the focal point of an offense with 2 smart guards & offensive..
Jun 04th 2018
123
                                         PLEAS. PLEAS. PLEEEEEEEEEAS
Jun 04th 2018
124
                                              They are. But it's also the truth.
Jun 04th 2018
140
                lol
Jun 04th 2018
92
Chris Bosh lite. Smooth game.
Jun 04th 2018
73
good
Jun 04th 2018
76
Solid starter
Jun 04th 2018
102
future all-nba guy
Jun 04th 2018
105
Whole career to me depends on his jumper
Jun 04th 2018
127
I like how you say “easily”, those are AD numbers...
Jun 04th 2018
142
      On offense, he has AD potential
Jun 05th 2018
150
           as a point of reference in the last 30 years there have been a total of....
Jun 05th 2018
154
                Truth...he did 21/11 as a freshman at Duke
Jun 05th 2018
172
                     College stats don’t mean shit in the NBA, I like Bagley and I think...
Jun 05th 2018
175
                          That's the spirit of the post tho lol
Jun 05th 2018
176
                               So you're saying Bagley is a first ballot HOF'er because 4 of the 6 guys...
Jun 05th 2018
183
                                    Could be...someone(s) from this draft class will be
Jun 19th 2018
242
Best motor in the draft with top notch athleticism.
Jun 04th 2018
139
Right here with you, but with half the enthusiasm, haha
Jun 20th 2018
257
starter. will probably make 2-3 ASGs
Jun 05th 2018
159
That's where I am but I acknowledge he could do more
Jun 18th 2018
230
another guy who will absolutely get his
Jun 20th 2018
245
bust-proof. lots of 20-10s in his future
Jun 21st 2018
264
He doesn't defend and we went to the Kings? Doncic better
Jun 24th 2018
308
      doncic doesn't defend and he went to dallas.
Jun 25th 2018
315
      Let's go then
Jun 26th 2018
317
           let's go? i'm gone. euro mike miller gon make a lotta experts look bad
Jun 26th 2018
320
      i read a compelling case for them to take carter over him
Jul 08th 2018
322
Luka Doncic
Jun 04th 2018
3
HoF
Jun 04th 2018
36
Sorry
Jun 04th 2018
57
Star.
Jun 04th 2018
double post
Jun 04th 2018
60
RE: Luka Doncic
Jun 04th 2018
62
One day y’all will learn
Jun 04th 2018
71
      pretty much
Jun 14th 2018
221
trash
Jun 04th 2018
77
i'm sure extensive study of his game film led to your unbiased opinion
Jun 22nd 2018
300
Stud, quite possibly ROY and will be a very good player
Jun 04th 2018
94
borderline all-star...won't be a 20ppg guy
Jun 04th 2018
106
Peja with heart, handles and aggression
Jun 04th 2018
128
Peja & Manu are 2 totally different players lol...
Jun 04th 2018
143
      That's why I took it back...I started to just edit out the first one
Jun 05th 2018
151
           Peja was like 6'9"-6'10"
Jun 05th 2018
156
                They list Doncic at 6'8", no?
Jun 06th 2018
193
                     more like 6'6"
Jun 20th 2018
261
how much of him could any of you have possibly seen?
Jun 04th 2018
141
LOL, yeah, this is why I basically never comment on the Euros.
Jun 04th 2018
144
i never do either
Jun 04th 2018
145
Youtube fam...and the Euro final 4
Jun 05th 2018
152
people be saying this like we in the 80s.
Jun 05th 2018
153
      i guess there was a second part to my question
Jun 05th 2018
157
a lot. extensive youtube highlights and eurobasket is on TV.
Jun 05th 2018
169
He played in the EuroBasket Final 4 two years in a row
Jun 06th 2018
194
#157
Jun 06th 2018
195
      Euro pro teams would beat NCAA teams if that is what youre asking
Jun 07th 2018
210
a ton.
Jun 20th 2018
246
3rd option. he aint nice as what he hyped to be.
Jun 05th 2018
160
He changes speeds well, has great vision. Shot is also underrated
Jun 22nd 2018
301
Solid wing. But nothing we haven't seen before.
Jun 06th 2018
201
He definitely has more going on than Brent Barry
Jun 07th 2018
211
MVP candidate a.k.a White Harden, perennial All-Star
Jun 12th 2018
213
Dallas took him? Shit, doubling down then
Jun 22nd 2018
290
Ricky Rubio
Jun 14th 2018
217
seems like a blind guess as they don't play that much alike
Jul 08th 2018
323
it'll work
Jun 20th 2018
247
Euro Harden, with less scoring but better feel
Jun 20th 2018
258
idk
Jun 21st 2018
265
Mo Bamba
Jun 04th 2018
4
above average player on the right team
Jun 04th 2018
42
How have we ignored this guy having a hit song named after him btw?
Jun 04th 2018
64
the song is a fuckin BANGER too
Jun 05th 2018
166
good
Jun 04th 2018
78
Lots of potential, but that doesn't always pan out
Jun 04th 2018
96
i'm worried he want his money...solid starter
Jun 04th 2018
108
Weights, weights, core, core, weights, weights
Jun 04th 2018
129
i want to believe but it's going to take a minute. super capela. star.
Jun 05th 2018
164
Your classic low-floor, high-ceiling guy. May not play much early.
Jun 05th 2018
186
Not Rudy. But also not Shawn Bradley.
Jun 06th 2018
200
super biased
Jun 20th 2018
248
bust
Jun 21st 2018
266
Michael Porter
Jun 04th 2018
5
N/A
Jun 04th 2018
43
no opinion, but hope he goes to orlando
Jun 04th 2018
48
Perennial All-Star, at worst, if healthy. At best, league MVP
Jun 04th 2018
58
Still one of my favorite players. Has Shawn Kemp'ish type skills
Jun 04th 2018
74
best player in the draft, ROY
Jun 04th 2018
79
I am low key praying he slips to Philly
Jun 04th 2018
97
we all are, but he won't
Jun 04th 2018
99
      Depends how his workouts and exams go b/w PHI can also trade up
Jun 04th 2018
120
star
Jun 04th 2018
110
I hope 6 teams sleep on him and the Bulls love him
Jun 04th 2018
131
2nd option, multiple time allstar
Jun 05th 2018
173
If he slips below 4, someone's getting fired.
Jun 05th 2018
187
i'd take him third, ahead of bagley
Jun 06th 2018
198
Welp, the injuries have officially scared me off. I’m out
Jun 14th 2018
220
      i don't think he's really hurt (this new "hip" injury)
Jun 14th 2018
222
           except he's letting team doctors look at his records today
Jun 15th 2018
223
                seems like an odd way to hide an injury
Jun 15th 2018
224
pretty much all of this
Jun 20th 2018
249
Next Brandon Roy.
Jun 05th 2018
192
idk
Jun 21st 2018
267
Jaren Jackson Jr.
Jun 04th 2018
6
Awesome role player who’s being cysed as more
Jun 04th 2018
38
^^^ perfect description, really
Jun 05th 2018
185
solid pro
Jun 04th 2018
80
average starter
Jun 04th 2018
112
Stronger Robert Horry but will need to develop the clutch gene
Jun 04th 2018
130
Given where he is projected, I am not real high on him
Jun 18th 2018
235
super biased yet again
Jun 20th 2018
259
real coaching makes him an allstar
Jun 21st 2018
268
Wendell Carter
Jun 04th 2018
7
above average starter for the right team
Jun 04th 2018
45
solid pro
Jun 04th 2018
81
David West 2.0...boderline all-star
Jun 04th 2018
113
^^^This actually perfect.
Jun 04th 2018
132
y'all over-hyping dude....
Jun 04th 2018
146
      like you over-hype mbah a moute?
Jun 05th 2018
149
      Prince Luc played in his 10th NBA season this year....
Jun 05th 2018
171
           he sorry. how many years toby play? ed? cam? ced bozeman? charles?
Jun 05th 2018
184
      what david west is an astronomical ceiling? he could be better
Jul 08th 2018
324
side note: rumors abound that Ainge is smokescreening to get him to Bost...
Jun 05th 2018
148
*attempts to hide erection*
Jun 05th 2018
174
i still dont see it but if he is nice it'll be al horford.
Jun 05th 2018
161
Woefully underrated.
Jun 05th 2018
188
Ehhh... journey man backup big. Better version of Trevor Booker.
Jun 06th 2018
202
Intriguing player, could be an excellent defender and a cog on O
Jun 18th 2018
233
longtime pro who wins a ton of games
Jun 20th 2018
260
really dependent on fit
Jun 21st 2018
269
      one thing i wasnt sure was how much he deferred to bagley. looks like a ...
Jul 08th 2018
321
Mikal Bridges
Jun 04th 2018
8
bust
Jun 04th 2018
84
solid starter
Jun 04th 2018
114
I already said it...Rudy Gay/Trevor Ariza hybrid.
Jun 04th 2018
133
that's an odd hybrid, my guy
Jun 05th 2018
155
he aint that nice. run of the mill 3&D wing
Jun 05th 2018
162
that's where i'm leaning
Jun 06th 2018
197
A Demare Carroll whatever type of nigga.
Jun 06th 2018
203
so wrong and hateful...lol.
Jun 06th 2018
209
Not a star, but a terrific piece for a winning team. Can do it *all.*
Jun 06th 2018
205
Suped-up Aaron McKie, nice piece for a good team
Jun 18th 2018
237
bust-proof contributor, not an all star
Jun 21st 2018
270
Collin Sexton
Jun 04th 2018
9
good, he got some dog in him, best guard in the draft
Jun 04th 2018
85
Solid pro. Temperament and work ethic to be an All Star
Jun 04th 2018
107
not good...won't be efficient...not a PG
Jun 04th 2018
115
^^^Everything the 3 above me said except 'best G in the draft'
Jun 04th 2018
134
pat bev w/ a little more offense.
Jun 05th 2018
163
Sparkplug off the bench guy. Might get mushed in the face by a vet..
Jun 06th 2018
199
I don't doubt a dude with his combination of speed and bammaness.
Jun 06th 2018
206
can't bet against him
Jun 20th 2018
262
will put up numbers on a bad team, 3rd guard on a good one
Jun 21st 2018
271
Trae Young
Jun 04th 2018
10
The 'Kobe' to Steph's 'MJ'. Will be a star on the right team
Jun 04th 2018
40
RE: Trae Young
Jun 04th 2018
63
bust
Jun 04th 2018
82
better Jimmer
Jun 04th 2018
91
30+ FGA’s ain’t gonna work up here for him
Jun 04th 2018
109
solid starter...will struggle early
Jun 04th 2018
116
^^^What Doc and Basa said
Jun 04th 2018
135
star but not a legend like steph
Jun 05th 2018
167
He's a Coke Zero Steph.
Jun 05th 2018
189
sane sober JR Smith
Jun 21st 2018
273
Depends on so many things, I think above average player
Jun 22nd 2018
305
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Jun 04th 2018
11
Slow big guard. Journeyman.
Jun 04th 2018
49
Ceiling: Derek Harper. Floor: Shaun Livingston post knee injury
Jun 04th 2018
67
cosign the ceiling
Jun 21st 2018
272
Ayyyy
Jul 11th 2018
327
trash
Jun 04th 2018
86
He ain't nothing but Keyon Dooling
Jun 04th 2018
118
Keyon don't have that feel.
Jun 04th 2018
125
Worst case scenario: a tough backup PG.
Jun 06th 2018
208
nothing special, i wouldnt have invested a top 15 pick in him
Jun 22nd 2018
302
Kevin Knox
Jun 04th 2018
12
Ceiling: better Rashard Lewis; Floor: Otto Porter
Jun 04th 2018
68
thats a hell of a floor.
Jun 05th 2018
165
By age 22 he'd be able to do 15/6 in his sleep.
Jun 05th 2018
178
Ayyyyyyy
Jul 11th 2018
326
Nyquil
Jun 04th 2018
87
aight...nice rotation player
Jun 04th 2018
121
Potential to be a good third option on a winner.
Jun 07th 2018
212
floor is Europe, ceiling is helpful starter on a good team
Jun 21st 2018
274
Robert Williams
Jun 04th 2018
13
buying stock of his and Mitchell Robinson...very solid bigs
Jun 04th 2018
119
If he approaches the Pros the way he did UNC in the tourney
Jun 04th 2018
136
He went to Boston...more agenda bait lol
Jun 22nd 2018
292
Elite rebounder/defender. Awful shooter. NyQuil.
Jun 18th 2018
228
i want shares. will produce with or without accolades.
Jun 21st 2018
275
Nice add for the Cs but not a star
Jun 22nd 2018
303
Zhaire Smith
Jun 04th 2018
14
bust. idk where they're coming from w/ this hype
Jun 05th 2018
168
Future Dunk Contest winner. High risk but *such* a high reward.
Jun 18th 2018
225
bust
Jun 21st 2018
277
All Star by year 3. Solid contributer in year 2. Benchwarmer year 1
Jun 22nd 2018
293
I’m in. Athleticism plus work ethic.
Jun 22nd 2018
304
Solid wing like what Shumpert should have been
Jun 22nd 2018
306
rotation guy
Jun 25th 2018
314
Miles Bridges
Jun 04th 2018
15
Gonna be good
Jun 04th 2018
117
Most likely to end up on the Sean May career path
Jun 04th 2018
137
derrick williams.
Jun 04th 2018
147
Good chance Miles gon be sorry. But I think he'll work hard to be solid
Jun 05th 2018
191
Supremely unsexy role player.
Jun 18th 2018
226
lol
Jun 21st 2018
276
Gary Trent Jr.
Jun 04th 2018
16
3-and-D starter, with better 3 than D.
Jun 18th 2018
227
role player, but a good one
Jun 21st 2018
278
Grayson Allen
Jun 04th 2018
17
his NBA ceiling is Matthew Dellavedova
Jun 04th 2018
41
8.7 ppg over twelve years and a rack of teams. Stealing money.
Jun 04th 2018
52
so, steve blake?
Jun 04th 2018
59
      Pretty much. Blake handle and right hook better though.
Jun 04th 2018
61
trash
Jun 04th 2018
93
Bench guard who eats good and later becomes a coach
Jun 04th 2018
98
A better Shannon Brown.
Jun 18th 2018
229
will still primarily be known for tripping ppl in college in 10yrs
Jun 21st 2018
279
Jalen Brunson
Jun 04th 2018
18
Solid pro. Floor general, winner.
Jun 04th 2018
50
yeah he'll be a solid backup for years
Jun 04th 2018
51
^^^This
Jun 04th 2018
138
Borderline sub/starter but a guy who can finish games
Jun 04th 2018
100
Great pro. A steady backup guard that every team needs.
Jun 06th 2018
204
Hard to doubt him... but I get scared with small, slow elite college PGs...
Jun 18th 2018
231
Let's term that the Jacques Vaughn factor
Jul 08th 2018
325
might never be really good, but wont ever be bad
Jun 21st 2018
286
Donte DiVincenzo
Jun 04th 2018
19
Sura
Jun 04th 2018
53
Accurate.
Jun 12th 2018
215
I wish we could have seen him in the NCAA for one more year
Jun 04th 2018
101
Everything I said about Grayson Allen, but better.
Jun 18th 2018
232
ive never watched a guy more and had less of a clue
Jun 21st 2018
281
Omari Spellman
Jun 04th 2018
20
A Diet Coke Boris Diaw.
Jun 18th 2018
234
Sam Perkins seems too obvious, but...
Jun 21st 2018
280
Lonnie Walker
Jun 04th 2018
21
Didn’t see much of him. All I remember was his athleticism.
Jun 05th 2018
177
Read 2 mock drafts that have him going to the 6ers at 10
Jun 14th 2018
216
Diet Coke JR Smith.
Jun 20th 2018
252
Mo Wagner
Jun 04th 2018
22
Nien
Jun 05th 2018
179
Prototypical floor stretching big. Great off the bench.
Jun 18th 2018
236
      i agree with almost all of that. but im actually high on his REB
Jun 21st 2018
284
Landry Shamet
Jun 04th 2018
23
Stunk it up in the first round of March Madness. Sell him.
Jun 05th 2018
180
Bench backup. Decent value if he puts on muscle.
Jun 19th 2018
239
if i have a backcourt need id spend a 2nd on him, not over Devonte tho
Jun 21st 2018
285
Khyri Thomas
Jun 04th 2018
24
Safe 3-and-D role player. Tough as nails.
Jun 20th 2018
251
      this was a nice lil surprise to wake up to this morning
Jun 22nd 2018
291
Aaron Holiday
Jun 04th 2018
25
Aaron Brooks
Jun 05th 2018
181
Better speed, scoring, defense than Brunson or Shamet. Iffy feel tho.
Jun 20th 2018
253
Kevin Huerter
Jun 04th 2018
26
Solid rotational guy. Knock down shooter that’ll help any team right a...
Jun 04th 2018
54
you must think really highly of Charles Matthews then
Jun 06th 2018
196
      He aiight
Jun 06th 2018
207
Rotation player
Jun 14th 2018
219
A Nyquil 3-point specialist. Europe shortly after rookie contract.
Jun 19th 2018
240
i was semi-joking with Beezo, but...
Jun 21st 2018
287
Mitchell Robinson
Jun 04th 2018
27
JaVale McGee or WCS....
Jun 12th 2018
214
Anfernee Simons
Jun 04th 2018
28
who the hell knows? if he rises i like him, if he slips, less so
Jun 04th 2018
122
Keita Bates-Diop
Jun 04th 2018
29
He’s gonna be good.
Jun 05th 2018
190
older prospect with some polish, could be a nice value
Jun 18th 2018
238
A taller PJ Tucker.
Jun 20th 2018
254
Trevon Duval
Jun 04th 2018
30
Game more suited for the pros. Gotta work on that fractured J and free t...
Jun 04th 2018
55
Can be special...but I don't believe in "getting a jumper"...solid pro
Jun 14th 2018
218
The definition of high-risk, high-reward.
Jun 19th 2018
241
Should’ve stayed in school....or went somewhere else
Jun 23rd 2018
307
lol, not remotely what happened, of course
Jun 25th 2018
316
      they call that that the "Beilein Special" around these parts
Jun 26th 2018
319
K’s fault.
Jun 26th 2018
318
Hamidou Diallo
Jun 04th 2018
31
Can’t call it
Jun 04th 2018
56
Ceiling: Jason Richardson; Floor: Iman Shumpert
Jun 04th 2018
70
His running and jumping hasn't translated.
Jun 20th 2018
250
not sure what hes supposed to be good at other than track & field
Jun 21st 2018
283
Chandler Hutchison
Jun 04th 2018
32
Jerome Robinson
Jun 04th 2018
33
Score that rock Jerome
Jun 19th 2018
243
Points off the bench kind of guy.
Jun 20th 2018
255
Josh Okogie
Jun 04th 2018
34
athleticism and defense make him safe. role player, but good one.
Jun 21st 2018
282
      ^^^ more or less agree with this
Jun 21st 2018
288
           well hes definitely had experience with that.
Jun 21st 2018
289
Elie Okobo
Jun 04th 2018
35
CONTROLLING STOCK OWNED BY M.A.D.
Jun 04th 2018
39
      and I'm happy he went to the Suns.
Jun 25th 2018
310
LMAO...."man, to hell with the finals. let's move on" ©F. Longo
Jun 04th 2018
46
looking at this post...i really fell off on my CBB viewing this year
Jun 05th 2018
170
CTRL-F "Troy Brown"
Jun 22nd 2018
294
price for Brad Beal just went down too :(
Jun 22nd 2018
295
LMAO, hey, Troy has potential.
Jun 22nd 2018
296
      Bruh the Wizards bench is so anorexic....
Jun 22nd 2018
299
Jacob Evans
Jun 22nd 2018
297
A bulldog 3-and-D guy who is *perfect* for Golden State.
Jun 22nd 2018
298
Coulda gone to a bullshit franchise, been lost in the shuffle. Great fit
Jun 25th 2018
309
Billy Preston
Jun 25th 2018
311
Here's why the Anthony Bennett comparison works for me.
Jun 25th 2018
312

Frank Longo
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1. "DeAndre Ayton"
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whichever team lands him (whether it be Phoenix or Sacramento) will be ground zero for Celtics West

  

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47. "needed a better organization than phoenix or sacramento"
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i'm not sure he'll ever be a plus defender, but i'm real, real worried that 4+ years learning bad habits will make him the athletic OBE.

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65. "All-Star potential... but some Nyquil fears."
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I don't think I need to rattle off Ayton's gifts, both from a skill standpoint and from a physical standpoint. It's very easy to see why the expectation is that he'll be the #1 pick in the draft. He genuinely coasted his way through last season, and he made some gaudy numbers look really easy.

My one major concern is his motor. If he's locked in when he hits the NBA, I expect a 20/10 guy... but he would definitely disappear for stretches at Arizona, and sometimes for whole games. His steal and block rates are way lower than you'd expect a guy with his physique to have, he often seems to be a "conserve energy for the offensive end" guy defensively, and despite being *easily* Arizona's best player, there'd be several games where he seemed content to just stand in the middle and do nothing. He never played fewer than 25 minutes in a game, but he had nine games with fewer than 15 points last season-- compare that to Bagley's three games.

Perhaps it's unfair to compare Ayton's motor with that of the highest motor player in the draft, and perhaps he coasted because he knew how shitty his conference was last year, so he wouldn't need to dominate night in and night out like that. He also seems like a guy who's still learning the game, for better or worse-- his awareness on both ends was lacking on occasion, but maybe that's part of being the type of young big he is. Several of the players below him in the draft have better "feel for the game" at a comparable young age though...

Still, you take him #1 despite his concerns, because you're Phoenix, you need the highest ceiling guy, and you'd rather risk ending up with a *mere* 15/8 good big man than risk letting him go elsewhere and become a Hall of Famer.

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75. "bust"
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90. "High ceiling/low floor for a No. 1 pick, gotta be managed right"
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104. "borderline All-star...explain how he better than Myles Turner?"
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182. "He produced on the college level. Doesn't appear to be pussy."
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313. "so did myles. big deal. "
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ayton does appear to be a pussy tho.

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126. "I like Ayton but I get the Fultz vibes about him I had last yr"
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I'm gonna rock with allstar potential but I could also see oft injured and never met potential.

Him + Josh Jackson + Booker has scary potential though. If Chriss or Bender develops and they get the right PG...Suns could be dangerous in a few seasons.

  

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158. "all star"
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244. "no way he doesnt get his"
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I just don't know if he wins.
Everything you want is there.
ive seen him outplayed by bigs in this draft class for a full game, and then in a 2 minute span do things against them that make you go "oh, thats why he's still 1/1a/2 etc."

at his best I can see last years Boogie type statline.
Career wise he could have the same fate and thats what makes me nervous.

  

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256. "Genuinely unsure, but if I had to lean to overpaid stat-padder or"
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generational talent/5-10x All-Star, I'd go with the former. Not good enough at the things modern great bigs are good at for me to be so sanguine.

  

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263. "Amare + jumper"
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if he gets fed, will eat

if not...could still eat if he can stay engaged

4-5x all star

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2. "Marvin Bagley"
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37. "Second best player in the draft, KAT level"
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66. "https://tinyurl.com/y9zzs27y"
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69. "was gonna say 95 percent KAT but what the hell "
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72. "KAT's the best big of his generation. So... no. "
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83. "so he's better than Brow? Good to know."
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88. "he always act like 22YO KAT is sooo much younger than AD"
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89. "Its one or the other. Or Boogie. **shrugs**"
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95. "KAT isn't the same stratosphere as Brow"
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Brow's a legit top 5 player. If Staps could stay healthy, KAT isn't even the best big in his draft class.

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103. "He's more durable than AD. But they're different players."
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KAT had a better rookie year than Kristaps.
KAT had a better 2nd year than Kristaps.
KAT had a better 3rd year than Kristaps.

So good point... Lmao.

I'm not gonna clog up the T&J post with you being mad though.

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111. "one took over a playoff series, one disappeared in a playoff series"
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123. "One is the focal point of an offense with 2 smart guards & offensive.."
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minded coach.

The other is KAT

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124. "PLEAS. PLEAS. PLEEEEEEEEEAS "
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140. "They are. But it's also the truth. "
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92. "lol"
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73. "Chris Bosh lite. Smooth game. "
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I hope he goes to a team that knows how to use him.

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76. "good"
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102. "Solid starter"
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105. "future all-nba guy"
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127. "Whole career to me depends on his jumper"
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if he gets a jumper and his low post moves actually work in the pros (I think they will), he could easily be a 27ppg, 11rpg dude.

His floor is probably 19/10.

  

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142. "I like how you say “easily”, those are AD numbers..."
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>he could easily be a 27ppg,
>11rpg dude.
>l

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150. "On offense, he has AD potential"
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He's REALLY good close to the rim. Having a J to mix it up will make getting those numbers (in his prime) possible.

I ain't saying he'll be there yr 1 but by 25-26 I could see it.

  

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154. "as a point of reference in the last 30 years there have been a total of...."
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sixteen 27&11 seasons by 6 people.

6 by Shaq
5 by Karl Malone
2 by AD
1 by CWebb
1 by Hakeem
1 by Barkley

http://bkref.com/tiny/ynuRQ

That's pretty lofty company you're just casually tossing him in with lol

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172. "Truth...he did 21/11 as a freshman at Duke"
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By contrast, AD only did 14/10 at Kentucky his one year there.

I watched a ton of Duke games this year. Dude has the potential.

Not saying I'm gonna be right but that's my assessment.

We had this same talk about AD too and I said he'd be better than KG...and he is.

  

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175. "College stats don’t mean shit in the NBA, I like Bagley and I think..."
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he’ll be good but you got him putting up historical numbers based off his college stats lol

27&11 is nothing to sneeze at, KG & Tim Duncan never did that

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176. "That's the spirit of the post tho lol"
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I reserve the right to be wrong and be like "oh well, looked good coming in"

and I reserve the right to be right like "I TOLD YO A**!!"

  

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183. "So you're saying Bagley is a first ballot HOF'er because 4 of the 6 guys..."
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on that list are, AD is on his way, CWebb will eventually get in, if not for injuries he would be first ballot too

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242. "Could be...someone(s) from this draft class will be"
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He has a shot. I read somewhere that he wants to be a 20/10 player his rookie season. Blake was 22/12 his rookie year.

And honestly, I think Bagley has a lil more talent coming in.

His vert ain't as devistating as Blake's but he's still athletically gifted. And his game is a little more refined than Blake's at this stage.

  

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139. "Best motor in the draft with top notch athleticism. "
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"But I'm concerned about which position he'll play!" LMAO, yeah, like that matters in today's NBA. You've got a guy who works harder than anyone on the court in *that* body with *that* athleticism? AND he can sink 3s when needed?

He'll struggle with the Js/FTs early, but he'll work it out in a few years, and he'll get you 15+ on sheer fucking hard work alone. If he goes to the Kings, you may see a double-double Year 1. And if his career starts with Blake Griffin-esque numbers (minus the assists), don't be surprised.

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257. "Right here with you, but with half the enthusiasm, haha"
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Felt like you wrote what I wanted to, but when I finished reading, I somehow still disagreed.

I'd be surprised if he was a great player, but not that he found a way to really be good for a team, even a very good one.

  

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159. "starter. will probably make 2-3 ASGs"
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230. "That's where I am but I acknowledge he could do more"
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Definitely gave me the "THAT BOY IS A MAN!" reaction more than anyone since AD. He's got some things to round out to reach that level in the pros but he is very bankable for the team that picks him. Doesn't have the limitations Okafor did, I don't see him busting at all just a question of if he is good, very good or great

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245. "another guy who will absolutely get his"
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always produces.
always plays hard.
will rebound.
I dont trust him to do anything other than rebounding and getting buckets.
While he may put up the best numbers on a team, I don't think a team with him as the best player wins a lot.
Him getting his hasnt always made it easier for other guys to get theirs.
I won't do "not a winner" cause thats unfair to kids...he's also had every opportunity since 15 to be on stacked squads geared towards winning. He won, his teams didnt. makes me nervous. Still, 17 and 8 rolling out of bed with sleep in his eye on just talent and effort.

  

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264. "bust-proof. lots of 20-10s in his future"
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308. "He doesn't defend and we went to the Kings? Doncic better"
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No winning.





















Zero winning.
























He might bust.
































He just might.



































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315. "doncic doesn't defend and he went to dallas. "
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317. "Let's go then"
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Doncic >>>>>>>>>> Bagley

Kings are dumb and they are the worst possible place for a kid who doesn't understand defense.

It's not even like he doesn't wanna play D. He don't know HOW!

He shoulda went 3rd.

Oh well...

  

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320. "let's go? i'm gone. euro mike miller gon make a lotta experts look bad"
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it's been so bad for so long (the cysage of doncic, i mean), it ain't even about him and bagley, realy. it's him vs. the whole class. y'all really think he THAT - a franchise talent. that's crazy to me.

porzingis panned out and he not even THAT.

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322. "i read a compelling case for them to take carter over him"
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maybe in time that person will turn out to be a genius. we'll see. i see what you're saying, some danger of a boogie type situation (numbers, no wins) here, i guess, but then again they drafted WCS and it hasn't made an impact. one defender isn't enough, if the real of the team is trash he won't stand out other than a few mistakes erased.

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3. "Luka Doncic"
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Hungry Hippos: The Movie. Now available to read: http://www.russellhainline.com.

  

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36. "HoF"
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----
bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

  

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<---
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"Star."


  

          

but he'll be on an island unless traded.

I kind of hoped that he could have been picked by the Knicks so that he could play with DAT ZINGIS

  

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60. "double post"
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62. "RE: Luka Doncic"
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rookie of the year, 18 points 5 assist, 7 rebound, better than ben simmons

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71. "One day y’all will learn"
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>rookie of the year, 18 points 5 assist, 7 rebound, better
>than ben simmons

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221. "pretty much"
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LeJeter is gonna be a problem in the next couple of seasons. Crooked shot or not.

better then Ben Simmons.... SMH, Doncic's best quality is that he wears The People's Number in Euroleague.

SIKE

but the only thing that really gives me pause in NBA is his shaky handles and his "in the paint" game. his passing and decision making alone for a 19 year old is pretty top-tier.

He's going to be AT LEAST as good as Ben. But better? I dunno....

  

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77. "trash"
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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300. "i'm sure extensive study of his game film led to your unbiased opinion"
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94. "Stud, quite possibly ROY and will be a very good player"
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Can play three positions and is easily the most polished player I have seen out of these prospects. Floor would be a super-sub (think Manu, Crawford), ceiling on-and-off all-star (I dunno maybe Oladipo level). I don't think there is a huge gap between ceiling and floor but both are pretty high

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106. "borderline all-star...won't be a 20ppg guy"
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____________________________________________________


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128. "Peja with heart, handles and aggression"
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Might not be as lights out from outside either but he could get there.

Eh, I take it back...maybe a franchise type Manu. Manu could never be a franchise guy as he's too brittle. Doncic might be that.

  

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143. "Peja & Manu are 2 totally different players lol..."
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>Might not be as lights out from outside either but he could
>get there.
>
>Eh, I take it back...maybe a franchise type Manu. Manu could
>never be a franchise guy as he's too brittle. Doncic might be
>that.

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151. "That's why I took it back...I started to just edit out the first one"
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but left it there.

He might more accurately be described as a combo of the 2. Manu is/was faster in my opinion. I think Doncic is about as mobile as Peja but his game is more like Manu's.

  

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156. "Peja was like 6'9"-6'10""
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193. "They list Doncic at 6'8", no?"
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261. "more like 6'6""
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141. "how much of him could any of you have possibly seen?"
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144. "LOL, yeah, this is why I basically never comment on the Euros."
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It's just so hard to tell.

The fact that dude is reportedly a 6'7 white guy of marginal athleticism would alone scare me away from picking him over Ayton or Bagley. He could be the fucking second coming with the highest basketball IQ I've ever seen, or he could be simply a guy who's good enough to star against Euro pros but not be The Guy in the NBA. I just can't tell from YouTube clips.

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145. "i never do either"
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i suppose if someone lit USA or Canada up in an intl tournament at least thats something, but all his stuff happens within the continent

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152. "Youtube fam...and the Euro final 4"
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I've seen probably 3-4 games and 10-15 highlight reels.

  

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153. "people be saying this like we in the 80s."
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if i WANT to see a euro, i can see a euro.

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157. "i guess there was a second part to my question"
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and thats what are you seeing him do?

its not insignificant, but technique and not folding under Euroleague finals pressure at his age seem like all that can really be taken away

obviously there are many posters here better at it than me, but im not sure i could trust my own eyes in Euro context.

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169. "a lot. extensive youtube highlights and eurobasket is on TV."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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194. "He played in the EuroBasket Final 4 two years in a row"
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That was on NBATV I imagine. In Colombia we got ACB games on Fox Sports. He was the MOP and MVP this year, 19 and the best player in arguably the second best league in the world. I think he is in the right era for his style, too.

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195. "#157"
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my question was i guess more about what could be gleaned from that context

if a hypothetical tournament was played among Villanova, Michigan, Real Madrid, and Fenerbahce, how would that go? is there already an athleticism gap even before reaching pro level (i suspect yes)? are the European coaches better than Beilein and Wright (i suspect no)?

its not so much the availabilty, but the validity of whats available. its not like hes made a career out of dogging Americans and Canadians at the intl level.

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210. "Euro pro teams would beat NCAA teams if that is what youre asking"
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Physical maturity, experience, etc. We have seen Eurobasket squads test and even beat NBA teams. Would never happen for an NCAA team.

Obviously there are differences in terms of style of play, use of players, etc. If anything I think his numbers are a little watered down because you don't see guys play the full game like they do often in the NBA, especially the playoffs. I doubt he played 30 MPG and maybe barely that in the playoffs.

I do think that you play a more spread out game in the foreign leagues and his so-so ability in traffic will present some adjustments in the NBA. But you can see a guy's technique and acumen very well seeing them against European competition. I actually think it gives you a better idea than seeing one year of a guy in college or even multiple years in certain contexts.

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246. "a ton."
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even back to junior team Adidas Next Generation shit.

  

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160. "3rd option. he aint nice as what he hyped to be."
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he's going to get to the NBA and be run of the mill athletically and have issues until he adjusts.

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301. "He changes speeds well, has great vision. Shot is also underrated"
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201. "Solid wing. But nothing we haven't seen before. "
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Brent Barry without the surfboard.

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211. "He definitely has more going on than Brent Barry"
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But I don't see the ZOMG HOF angle. To me he is kind of like Oladipo coming out, relatively bankable player in a draft full of one-and-dones with question marks (though this draft is better than Dipo's)

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213. "MVP candidate a.k.a White Harden, perennial All-Star"
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Will challenge Dirk for the best Euro ever crown.

You can built a franchise around him.

  

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290. "Dallas took him? Shit, doubling down then"
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F.R.A.N.C.H.I.S.E.

Dirk will pass the crown to him fo sho

  

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217. "Ricky Rubio"
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---------------------------------------------------------------

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you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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323. "seems like a blind guess as they don't play that much alike"
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247. "it'll work"
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He's too good at basketball for it not to.
Do I think he's a 25ppg guy? no.
probably have couple of 19-22 pt seasons.
The passing, break starting off of rebounds, getting guys looks is going to make him a fantastic glue guy/starter which if his team begins to win will make him a perennial all star
should average 6-8 boards and 6-8 assista for a very long time.
he's gonna have some tough moments on defense but name somebody in todays game who doesnt.

  

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258. "Euro Harden, with less scoring but better feel"
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Lower ceiling than James to me, so I think he won't quite ever reach MVP level because of his defense and that I worry how he'll hang with the very best defenders. But people have the same about Harden, so we'll see. Like a hundred times more offensively skilled than anyone in this draft besides Young, though

  

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265. "idk"
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4. "Mo Bamba"
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42. "above average player on the right team"
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(i.e. if the Celtics do some incredibly dumb ass shit to acquire him)

but he won't be better than Embiid

  

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64. "How have we ignored this guy having a hit song named after him btw?"
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166. "the song is a fuckin BANGER too"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWoIpDVkOH0

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78. "good"
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96. "Lots of potential, but that doesn't always pan out"
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Ceiling Deandre Jordan type, floor energy big off the bench who can block shots (basically what most thought Jordan would be).

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108. "i'm worried he want his money...solid starter"
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129. "Weights, weights, core, core, weights, weights"
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His frame is built for it. He develops his body like Giannis has and this man will dominate the defensive end like some dominate on O.

With the right G, he'll get lots of lobs initially. Has a decent J as well.

His O develops while he gets stronger and Bamba is gonna scare the dogsh*t out of most teams.

7'10" wingspan man...smh.

  

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164. "i want to believe but it's going to take a minute. super capela. star."
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186. "Your classic low-floor, high-ceiling guy. May not play much early."
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Despite his size, he got bullied by college bigs-- not even the biggest and strongest ones either-- because he's so thin and lanky. He's also not a very physical player at this point in general-- doesn't set hard screens, would rather watch the ball than box out, etc. He's also a guy who settles for jumpers on offense for the same reason-- and he doesn't pass well either. So, y'know, that's all scary if you're trying to take him Top 5.

Of course, the potential is obvious. Get him to 250-260 lbs, teach him to bang inside a bit, and you have a quick-on-his-feet big with a 9'6 standing reach that could hit 33% from 3. That's... an absurd combo of things. That's All-Star material.

But if he struggles with the weight and/or his shot, he could easily just become a taller John Henson. He'll stick around the league because he's an elite shot blocker who can run the floor well and who's long enough to snag enough boards to make playing him just worthwhile enough.

There's no way a dude as intriguing as him won't go top 6, but he should be targeted exclusively by a team in hardcore multi-year tank mode, who can afford to bring him along insanely slowly, help him put on weight, help him learn some moves inside. If a team expects 22+ minutes from him next year, I think they'll be really disappointed. And he's got to go somewhere that actually develops players well, because while Bamba's a smart dude, he has a lot of game to learn.

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200. "Not Rudy. But also not Shawn Bradley."
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He'll be serviceable.

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248. "super biased"
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do I like the 3 point shooting? I don't. (and ive said as much directly)
I like that KG/AD/Dirk top of the key jumper that allows turnarounds on small guys and killing guys on fakes and closeouts.

That said, he's a smart kid and he'll figure it out.
As im reading a piece on him this tells me why I think the world of him

"I want to put myself in the best position to stay out on the floor," Bamba says. "There's a reason why a lot of bigs aren't on the floor . They can't guard those smalls. They can't shoot."

He knows if he wants to do amazing things *via* the game of basketball he has to be good at the game of basketball and the first thing he needs to do is stay on the floor. Nothing else matters.

All defense staple via eye test and metrics. he'll develop enough offense to keep guys honest and then he's a piece on winning teams rest of his career.

  

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266. "bust"
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5. "Michael Porter"
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43. "N/A"
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I don't think he'd be a featured player except on a team with no stars.

that being said, if he's available at 8, I want the Cavs to pick him

  

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48. "no opinion, but hope he goes to orlando"
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i mean, assuming he can't fall to us. god knows they could use any perimeter player, and he'd presumably get to play his game there.

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58. "Perennial All-Star, at worst, if healthy. At best, league MVP"
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74. "Still one of my favorite players. Has Shawn Kemp'ish type skills"
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79. "best player in the draft, ROY"
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97. "I am low key praying he slips to Philly"
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Obviously there is a huge question mark here but how the hell else would a team get this kind of talent in the 8 to 10 range? It isn't like they found him under a rock (Giannis), this guy was at a major program. Would love to see him in a Sixers uni, even if it might continue the proud tradition of medical redshirts in the NBA.

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99. "we all are, but he won't"
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i'd bet on him going top 5, and it will be a good pick. if i were starting from scratch, i'd rather have him than bomba or jackson.

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120. "Depends how his workouts and exams go b/w PHI can also trade up "
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10, 26, four second rounders ... only a couple teams have more upward mobility than that.

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110. "star"
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131. "I hope 6 teams sleep on him and the Bulls love him"
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All I think he needs to do is get a little stronger, become a better passer and work towards getting better.

Dude could be T-Mac with G-Hill's poise or he could be T-Mac the injury prone, never reach his potential guy.

I'd still take the chance.

  

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173. "2nd option, multiple time allstar"
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187. "If he slips below 4, someone's getting fired."
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Hard to glean much from his insanely limited time on the floor at Mizzou, but he very, very easily passes the eye test. Good stroke for a guy his size. Great positional size, a matchup problem even at the NBA level.

Two small concerns: didn't love the handle I saw, and didn't love that he doesn't seem to have much "wiggle"-- seems like his wild speed for his size is mostly end to end, not side to side. Also not sure how strong a defender he'd be if the lateral movement is blah.

Still, if your comparison is "the Diet Coke Kevin Durant," that says a lot. Even if he struggles next level, I could see his floor being something like 14 and 6. That sort of talent requires a very high pick. Didn't see enough to declare outright if he's an All-Star at the next level, but the potential is glaringly obvious, and I think he has a higher floor than most other All-Star potential guys in the draft.

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198. "i'd take him third, ahead of bagley"
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and i like bagley.

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220. "Welp, the injuries have officially scared me off. I’m out"
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222. "i don't think he's really hurt (this new "hip" injury)"
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i think someone already promised him their pick today so he was like "welp, i'm hurt, workout cancelled."

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223. "except he's letting team doctors look at his records today"
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224. "seems like an odd way to hide an injury"
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249. "pretty much all of this"
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i gotta start with 100% health.

I crunch a lot of numbers on youth players.
I see a lot of youth players.

I use both of those and see what lines up.

55%+ from 2
36%+ from 3
85% from the line.

for 3 years. Against EVERYONE. He's been a thing since 2015 and he couldnt duck. And everyone got the business.

Do I like him as an iso/jab step creator guy? no. not in the half court. As you mentioned north south with momentum he's a marvel.

east west not so much. That said at 6'11 if he gets switches and he's shooting over 6'8" guys its a bucket.

I think optimally hes a 25ppg guy. My only concern if health is 100% is that the scheme he plays in doesnt feature him right. Keep him moving and put the ball in his shooting pockets. in 3-5 years if he adds stuff to his game fine.

  

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192. "Next Brandon Roy. "
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267. "idk"
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6. "Jaren Jackson Jr."
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38. "Awesome role player who’s being cysed as more"
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He fits in every system but won’t be a standout.

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185. "^^^ perfect description, really"
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He'll defend, rebound, and shoot 3s well, so he can be used by everyone... but he struggled to stay on the floor in a lousy Big 10 due to foul trouble, so I believe his defense will go through an adjustment period, and he never really showed the ability to take over games by himself in college-- he only scored 20+ points *twice*, both against terrible teams in blowouts.

I think the best thing for him would be to get selected in that 5-8 range. Let the stars go first. Otherwise, he'll forever be the guy some GM picked over Michael Porter or Marvin Bagley.

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80. "solid pro"
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112. "average starter"
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130. "Stronger Robert Horry but will need to develop the clutch gene"
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235. "Given where he is projected, I am not real high on him"
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259. "super biased yet again"
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so so young. i remember how productive he was at 16.
built for all the NBA has coming in terms of intellect and personality
the 3 is real. he hits it. the form is weird but he's at 40% at every level.

he's gonna rebound. he's gonna hit 3s. he's gonna block shots. if the counting numbers arent sexy, the advanced #s will show his impact.

could he be a starter on an eventual NBA champion? Yeah I think so.

  

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268. "real coaching makes him an allstar"
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ive decided i want him to win hard and make a bunch of angry sparties hate their coach

a protoype 3&D center prospect

5x all defense and at least 1 top3 DPOY season

3+ all star games

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7. "Wendell Carter"
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45. "above average starter for the right team"
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i.e. the Chicago Bulls.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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81. "solid pro"
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113. "David West 2.0...boderline all-star"
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132. "^^^This actually perfect."
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146. "y'all over-hyping dude...."
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149. "like you over-hype mbah a moute?"
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171. "Prince Luc played in his 10th NBA season this year...."
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did Okafor-kandi even play 10 games this year???


My summation of whose going to make it in the league and who isn't ...is not tainted by me being a Bruin fan.... actually Prince Luc has long surpassed what I thought he'd do in the league..he's still a contributing NBA player..

A contributing NBA player.... something Duke misses at more times than not...


ya'll putting dukies in the All-star game before they drafted is out of pure desperation and hope because your guys often flop like a fish...

We had 3 UCLA point guard in this playoffs ballin out...

Duke has had 1 good point guard in the NBA in 100 years..


stop it.

oh yeah..

and Kevin Love and Kevon Looney say hi...

  

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184. "he sorry. how many years toby play? ed? cam? ced bozeman? charles?"
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324. "what david west is an astronomical ceiling? he could be better"
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at the same age he is better than west was and he is also more athletic. west was a tough, smart, sound player. we'll see where carter's technique goes. but i hardly think setting his ceiling at west is too lofty. he is pretty good, he could have done 20/10 on the right team in college, he just had to play alongside a real strong big so he was a bit deferential

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148. "side note: rumors abound that Ainge is smokescreening to get him to Bost..."
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as a Horford backup plan

if they have Ky, Tatum, and Carter on the Celtics that officially makes them NBA Duke

  

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174. "*attempts to hide erection*"
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161. "i still dont see it but if he is nice it'll be al horford."
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188. "Woefully underrated."
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People keep comparing Marvin Bagley to Chris Bosh, but Carter and Bosh's numbers freshman year of college have a *lot* of similarities. Carter has the slightly better ORtg, better rebound rates on both ends, better shot blocker, better free throw shooter (!!), better assist rate. And their usage rates weren't too different either. Bosh was better from 3, but Carter still made 42% from 3. Yes, Carter's ORtg is likely elevated because he had so many dunks and finishes at the rim compared to Bosh's offense... but WE'RE COMPARING THE NUMBERS OF THIS KID TO CHRIS BOSH. And those aren't raw numbers, those are rates and percentages.

Am I saying Carter *will* be Bosh? No, because their bodies/athleticism/etc aren't the same, and yes, the game is very different at the next level, but I bring it up to say I do believe he can show more facing the basket than he got to do at Duke, and if that comes along, there's little he *can't* do. Carter is also better defensively than Ayton or Bagley-- of course, they have the better measurables, so Carter will go below them. But Carter is a high-IQ, both-end player with real skill on offense, a nose for the glass, great shot blocking timing, good passing for a big....

... he's one of the highest floor guys in this draft. Maybe not the "sexy" pick, but tremendously safe. He'll give you high quality minutes Night 1, and in the right system, he 100% has All-Star potential. People compare what he can do to what Horford does on the Celtics... I can easily see that. (But remember that Carter is well ahead of where Horford was at 19... or even 20.)

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202. "Ehhh... journey man backup big. Better version of Trevor Booker."
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233. "Intriguing player, could be an excellent defender and a cog on O"
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Great length. Very smart. Will be good doing the non-quantifiable stuff like setting screens and moving without the ball smartly.

Do I see him as a huge star? No. So it's tough to cyse him as a real high pick but if he were in the 10-15 range I would be falling over myself to draft him.

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260. "longtime pro who wins a ton of games"
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just good at basketball and always has been.
saw him in the city yesterday just in passing. Shredded.
protects the rim so well with his arms without jumping.
rebounds his ass off
passes
hits 3s.

he could be a multi-time all star as part of a winning team. Smart and does things that contribute to winning.

  

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269. "really dependent on fit"
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will need post touches and a team willing to let him have them

12/12 with 1.2 bpg for a 10 year career sounds right

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321. "one thing i wasnt sure was how much he deferred to bagley. looks like a ..."
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i am getting higher on him now having gotten a couple summer league looks.

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8. "Mikal Bridges"
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84. "bust"
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114. "solid starter"
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133. "I already said it...Rudy Gay/Trevor Ariza hybrid."
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155. "that's an odd hybrid, my guy"
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162. "he aint that nice. run of the mill 3&D wing"
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197. "that's where i'm leaning"
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he'll play in the league for a while, but he's just an average 3nD guy

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203. "A Demare Carroll whatever type of nigga. "
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209. "so wrong and hateful...lol. "
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205. "Not a star, but a terrific piece for a winning team. Can do it *all.*"
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He shoots beautifully, he slashes, he defends terrifically, he's smart as shit, he's a perfect team player. Great size and length for a SG/SF type of wing. No real weakness, except he needs some handles.

But every winning team needs a versatile 3-and-D with a high IQ, and that's Bridges. He'll stick in the league forever, and don't be surprised when he ends up as a starter, an essential 3rd/4th option type, on a championship winner.

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237. "Suped-up Aaron McKie, nice piece for a good team"
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I do *not* see him as a 3-and-D guy. He is more than that. I would love to see him land in Utah, he is the kind of versatile wing that could really thrive under Snyder and bring them consistency. Nice length, smart defender, a guy who can give you a little of everything on O.

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270. "bust-proof contributor, not an all star"
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9. "Collin Sexton"
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85. "good, he got some dog in him, best guard in the draft"
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107. "Solid pro. Temperament and work ethic to be an All Star"
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115. "not good...won't be efficient...not a PG"
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134. "^^^Everything the 3 above me said except 'best G in the draft'"
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He'll be all of those.

Will chuck his way to 16-21ppg, won't be particularly efficient but will play hard and aggressive, draw fouls and will play good D.

  

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163. "pat bev w/ a little more offense."
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199. "Sparkplug off the bench guy. Might get mushed in the face by a vet.."
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within his first 2 years.

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206. "I don't doubt a dude with his combination of speed and bammaness."
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Needs to put on 20 lbs of muscle and prove that he can be consistent with the playmaking that he's shown in flashes at Alabama. I have no doubt that dude can run PnR with ease, but he's definitely more of a combo right now.

Still, fuck, he's soooooo pressed, and he's so goddamn quick, and he's got good handles, and when he does pass, he's skilled at it... I don't doubt that he can become a good starter in the NBA. And if it clicks, I think he's the highest ceiling of the PG prospects-- the speed and bammaness combo is so enticing.

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262. "can't bet against him"
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came out of relatively nowhere.
done things in person I've never seen.
doesn't get tired, more athletic than you think.
shot and decisionmaking will come along he'll work at it.

gonna hit a bunch of gamewinners in his career.
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271. "will put up numbers on a bad team, 3rd guard on a good one"
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dont see any preternatural creation

if he wants a long career he fashions his game after a guy like Lindsay Hunter

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10. "Trae Young"
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40. "The 'Kobe' to Steph's 'MJ'. Will be a star on the right team"
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just off offense alone. however, if that team is weak on D, as he actually is, it'll be agenda bait.

at worst he ends up being Shabazz Napier, who, after review, has become a solid NBA guard. really good in Portland this year

  

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63. "RE: Trae Young"
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wont shoot over 46 percent, but will shoot alot and avg 8 assist caus nba got better shooters than oklahoma

numbers look crooked like king kong shook it - jdilla

  

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82. "bust"
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91. "better Jimmer"
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109. "30+ FGA’s ain’t gonna work up here for him"
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116. "solid starter...will struggle early"
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135. "^^^What Doc and Basa said"
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167. "star but not a legend like steph"
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189. "He's a Coke Zero Steph."
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He's crafty, a strong passer, terrific handles, and a shot that obviously gets hot in a hurry and has unlimited range. One can see the scenario in which everything goes right for him...

... but his decision-making is oftentimes bad, his shots are often very forced. You say that's part of the team he was on-- that's fair. BUT there are other cons that aren't due to team role. His measurables aren't great-- he's small, not strong, not long, and not especially athletic. He's a bad defender-- the way teams go at Steph? They'll 100% do the same to Trae from Day 1. And it's worth noting that no one anticipated that he'd be a 1-and-done... and he wasn't nearly as effective in the back half of their season when the competition got tougher. He had good games... but he shot 46% from 2 and 32% from 3 in conference.

So you take him lotto, focus on his craftiness/handles/passing, and hope that the shot selection comes along. In that scenario, he's a good starter, maybe even one of those borderline All-Stars if he had a hot month or two... but I'm admittedly a Trae Young skeptic. I think it all depends on whether he's trying to be a star or if he's trying to win. He could be a lower option on a good team... or he could gun on a bad team.

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273. "sane sober JR Smith"
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305. "Depends on so many things, I think above average player"
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Given that he is going to a shitty team things could go wrong here. If they keep him in the Steph role, he won't be that great, high volume, low efficiency. If they convert him into a real point guard, I think he will be good. He's got vision, passing skills, elusiveness, etc. Let him use that shot judiciously and be a creator more often.

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11. "Shai Gilgeous-Alexander"
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49. "Slow big guard. Journeyman."
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67. "Ceiling: Derek Harper. Floor: Shaun Livingston post knee injury"
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At worst he's a solid 3rd or 4th guard.

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272. "cosign the ceiling"
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floor is much lower if hes in a bad situation

Livingston can do what he does for any team and do it well. for some reason i see hero-ball tendencies if SGA's team sucks

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327. "Ayyyy"
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86. "trash"
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118. "He ain't nothing but Keyon Dooling"
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125. "Keyon don't have that feel. "
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208. "Worst case scenario: a tough backup PG."
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He’s got tremendous size, length, and feel. Even though he’s not the fastest, I trust him to keep penetrating successfully next level. His FT shooting was good, and combine that with his admittedly low attempt number 3 point shooting, I think he can make shooting work— he’s not one you can just sag off of and force to shoot, cuz he *can* make them.

Has to put on some muscle and has to prove that he can still drive against NBA talent. He also had a few games where his turnovers were out of control, so yeah, he needs to shore that up. But he’s young. I’d take this kid top ten, put him in the weight room, and hope I’ve found my starting PG of the future. Worst case scenario, he’s a good backup who could shred your team’s backup.

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302. "nothing special, i wouldnt have invested a top 15 pick in him"
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12. "Kevin Knox"
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68. "Ceiling: better Rashard Lewis; Floor: Otto Porter"
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He can be as good as he wants to be. Excellent shot mechanics and touch. Great frame. Doesn't shy away from contact. One of the youngest in the draft. Has to work on ball handling and passing. Also needs to commit on defense.

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165. "thats a hell of a floor."
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15/6/2/1.5 and a top 5 shooter in the league?

jesus lol

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178. "By age 22 he'd be able to do 15/6 in his sleep. "
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326. "Ayyyyyyy"
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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121. "aight...nice rotation player"
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212. "Potential to be a good third option on a winner."
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Maybe that sounds like an insult, but it's not-- he could give you a 14 and 6. Good prototypical size and skill for a late lotto wing. Passes the eye test without question. Wish he was more athletic or a more consistent outside shooter. Also needs better handles and defense. Still, you have to take the potential-- he's got a lot going for him for how young he is.

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274. "floor is Europe, ceiling is helpful starter on a good team"
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13. "Robert Williams"
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119. "buying stock of his and Mitchell Robinson...very solid bigs"
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136. "If he approaches the Pros the way he did UNC in the tourney"
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homey gonna be a beast.

My concern is if it was a fluke like Derrick Williams vs Duke in the tourney.

  

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292. "He went to Boston...more agenda bait lol"
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228. "Elite rebounder/defender. Awful shooter. NyQuil."
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Another guy who should've left last year. His shooting and his motor consistency were both *worse* this year. He's a tough rebounder and defender, and he's one of the very, very few guys outside of the top 10 of this draft who has the capacity to singlehandedly change a game. When he's locked in, he's got the size, athleticism, and IQ to make going inside a non-starter. Also a really surprisingly good passer.

BUT HE CAN'T SHOOT. In today's NBA, you can't be a 50% FT type of guy. He shot *below* 50% from the stripe in college. No clue why you wouldn't Hack-a-Rob if he's hot to cool him off. He's also a guy who absolutely disappears-- or at least he has the last two seasons. For whole games, even.

So I'd wait until the late lottery, and if I'm a team that either (a) needs a home run desperately more than a safe pick, or (b) can afford to stash and develop him, then I take him late lotto without thinking. His basement is like a Bismack Biyombo type, so he will still play, but his upside is something like a smaller Andre Drummond. Definitely *not* in vogue with how the sport is going, but if you want a big man who has the potential to impose will on both ends, Williams at least has that *potential.*

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275. "i want shares. will produce with or without accolades."
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303. "Nice add for the Cs but not a star"
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they could use another big and if they lose baynes they will need it badly. great value where he was taken. energy guy, shot blocker, rim run guy. foul trouble will plague him if they play him a lot early. not a super high ceiling but again good fit and value.

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14. "Zhaire Smith"
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168. "bust. idk where they're coming from w/ this hype"
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niggas that can jump out the gym grow on trees. he cant play basketball and he's only 6'2"

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225. "Future Dunk Contest winner. High risk but *such* a high reward. "
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The downside is obvious: he's a 6'4 shooting guard with real questions about his shot and his handles. Worst case scenario, you could end up with a shorter, skinnier Justise Winslow.

That said, the game is increasingly all about versatility and switching everything defensively, and Smith was *made* for that. He's got 6'10 wingspan, and while he can get backed down by stronger post guys, I saw this guy defend Mo Bamba at times in college. Unafraid, physical, very high motor. Athletic and quick as fuck. Doesn't turn the ball over or make stupid plays. Zhaire isn't any more of a question mark than Donovan Mitchell was, and Mitchell was two years older than Smith when drafted-- and in many ways, Smith is the better prospect, as he was superior defensively and shot from the outside better than Mitchell did his freshman year (admittedly both on limited attempts).

I would start looking at him as early as tenth. I'd rather gamble on Zhaire Smith than take Miles Bridges or some of the other late lotto guys. Worst case, you can wheel him out as a high-motor defensive specialist, a 1 SPG and 1 BPG per game type of freak. Best case, if he can shoot 37% from 3 and loosen up the handles, you've got an All-Star type of dude. Not a lot of guys after the Top 10ish in this draft that you could say have as high a ceiling.

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277. "bust"
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293. "All Star by year 3. Solid contributer in year 2. Benchwarmer year 1"
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Dude has improved so much in such a short time span.
His athletic freakness plus time to learn the game = solid player

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304. "I’m in. Athleticism plus work ethic."
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306. "Solid wing like what Shumpert should have been"
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His shot will improve, I don't have concerns about that or his height because he is a very long 6'4". I think he'll be a good two-way player, No. 4/5 starter type guy

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314. "rotation guy"
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15. "Miles Bridges"
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117. "Gonna be good "
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137. "Most likely to end up on the Sean May career path"
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147. "derrick williams."
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191. "Good chance Miles gon be sorry. But I think he'll work hard to be solid"
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226. "Supremely unsexy role player. "
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Could start on a good team if he's the fifth best starter. He can defend some, hit open 3s, and move well in transition. Can't create, can't shoot off dribble, stiff handle. Inconsistent motor.

He should've left last year when we had less game tape on him and he had an extra year of development potential. If he goes Top 10, that's a disappointment waiting to happen unless major development happens.

I suppose the best thing I can say about him is his floor, all things considered, is fairly high, because he could be a decent 3-and-D guy. Just don't really ask much of him. Mikal Bridges is much better IMO.

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276. "lol"
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cant dribble, needs to invest his rookie money

will eventually have to decide between 25 mpg in europ and 12-15 mpg in the NBA

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16. "Gary Trent Jr."
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227. "3-and-D starter, with better 3 than D."
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He's a tough, tough player, with good 2 guard size and a strong build for a kid so young. Terrific shooter, aggressive on offense, good handle compared to other young wings in the draft. Potential is there for his defense-- he looked for steals more than to stay in front of his man at Duke, but that happens a lot in the NBA too tbh, and his hands are quick and crafty enough that he could be a 1+ SPG guy.

He'll sink some due to some speed concerns, but a guy with his strength and skill doesn't concern me much there. Worst-case scenario, he's an exceptional 3-point shooter/spark plug off the bench. I think he'll go back half of the first round, and I'd love to see him end up on a good team-- I can see him being a guy who develops some bad gunning habits on a bad team but being the perfect piece for a team looking to contend/win playoff games.

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278. "role player, but a good one"
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17. "Grayson Allen"
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41. "his NBA ceiling is Matthew Dellavedova"
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52. "8.7 ppg over twelve years and a rack of teams. Stealing money."
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59. "so, steve blake?"
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61. "Pretty much. Blake handle and right hook better though."
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98. "Bench guard who eats good and later becomes a coach"
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229. "A better Shannon Brown."
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Doesn't have Brown's elite-for-all-time athleticism, but he does have elite-for-his-class athleticism, and he's got a better jumper and is a better creator than Brown.

I suspect Allen's success is somewhat conditional on location. I can see him being a guy who sucks on one team but thrives in a role for another. Don't ask him to do *everything.* Do ask him to be a versatile and willing role player on a winner-- he will absolutely *crush* in that position. There's very little he can't do-- except defend consistently, but even then he showed flashes in college. He's also got some length issues for the next level-- but he's quick and explosive, so as long as he doesn't get too lost on iso switches, he has the potential to learn on that end. I wouldn't be surprised by a Dellavedova-esque career reinvention on defense. He's just a smart motherfucker who really wants to win. Most teams could use a guy with his heart.

And yes, he's lost control of his emotions in the past. But put him on the right team, and his fans will fucking LOVE him for his screams, his hard fouls, his dives, etc. (Looking at you, Golden State.)

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279. "will still primarily be known for tripping ppl in college in 10yrs"
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50. "Solid pro. Floor general, winner."
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bshelly
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51. "yeah he'll be a solid backup for years"
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138. "^^^This"
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ConcreteCharlie
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100. "Borderline sub/starter but a guy who can finish games"
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Smart, composed player, just maybe not elite level skill

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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204. "Great pro. A steady backup guard that every team needs. "
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Frank Longo
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231. "Hard to doubt him... but I get scared with small, slow elite college PGs..."
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Worst case scenario, he seems like he should be a fine backup... but I've been busted by small, slow PGs that I fell in love with in college before. I'd take him very end of the first at soonest. Ceiling is a strong bench PG, floor is out of the league in 5-6 years.

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325. "Let's term that the Jacques Vaughn factor"
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286. "might never be really good, but wont ever be bad"
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19. "Donte DiVincenzo"
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53. "Sura"
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215. "Accurate. "
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ConcreteCharlie
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101. "I wish we could have seen him in the NCAA for one more year"
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He has talent obviously but I don't have a great feel for how he'll be in the pro game. I am thinking microwave guy off the bench and fill-in starter.

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Frank Longo
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232. "Everything I said about Grayson Allen, but better."
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He's not a better athlete, but he's a better ballhandler, better defender, better creator for others, and probably a better off-the-dribble shooter (I don't have the numbers, that's eye test). Never been asked to lead a team, but I saw enough *last year* to know he'd be a first rounder. This year's tourney performance just helped seal the deal.

He's a tough motherfucker who lives for the spotlight. He can shoot the lights out, he's crafty as hell, and he's got some real defensive potential. Ceiling is a good starter/4th option on a good team type. Floor is a quality bench guy. I think he'll play for a decade plus.

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281. "ive never watched a guy more and had less of a clue"
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20. "Omari Spellman"
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234. "A Diet Coke Boris Diaw."
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Should be a stat stuffer. Hits the boards hard, great passer, good shot blocker, terrific hands. Play him at the top of the key or feed him down low. He's short for a "center," but if he's clicking, his versatility and his ability to stretch the defense would give opposing centers fits too.

Doesn't have Diaw's full skill set, but yeah, he's got a lot of potential. Worst case scenario, he's a Swiss Army Knife bench big. Best case, he finds a team that runs an offense that fits his versatility and floor stretching perfectly and becomes a starter that every fantasy player wants on his team.

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280. "Sam Perkins seems too obvious, but..."
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21. "Lonnie Walker"
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177. "Didn’t see much of him. All I remember was his athleticism. "
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216. "Read 2 mock drafts that have him going to the 6ers at 10"
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so here I am

Our need is in the backcourt

but if Bridges is there, you obviously take him, I just doubt he last until 10

and, I'd take Sexton over this guy too...

Checked out some highlights...I think he fits on our team as a slasher/scorer at the 2

but I'm really concerned about his inconsistency

and getting shutdown vs UVA

the guy can obviously jump out of the gym, and finish at the rim

anybody want to project his ceiling with a player comparison?

looks like he would end up being RoCo lite, IMO

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252. "Diet Coke JR Smith. "
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It's easy to see where his upside resides, mostly just because he may have a Dennis Smith type vibe where he never got back to full speed/health/comfort last season. He's still a strong athlete and jumper with great positional size and strength. He showed flashes of being brilliant. Scores in a bunch of ways, and he's got a nice stroke from outside...

... but I question a lot. I question the consistency of effort. I question the decision making. I question the basketball IQ. He's got the tools to be great on both ends, but he doesn't really use them. Not impressive handler, not impressive defender, not a good rebounder despite his size and athleticism.

You're basically drafting him and playing him for those nights where he gets hot and can't miss. But