38. "He made them late but he made them. " In response to Reply # 8
Game 4 he definitely made adjustments on both ends of the floor (going inside more on offense--let's not forget Jim O'Brien's chucking ass is there--plus defending the perimeter better and adjusting Simmons' role and minutes).
I wouldn't be mad if Brown got canned but I think he will get one more year. He definitely went from comfortable AF to on the hot seat, much like Casey did. Casey had a sweep last year working against him, a rocky relationship with his not-signed-long-term star and the idea that he basically thinks he has to wait out LeBron's departure to really compete (which is true) working against him. Still seems fucked up but not exactly out of nowhere.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
50. "I'm not clued into Philly's fan base but isn't a firing really extreme?" In response to Reply # 38
The team went from under 40 wins to 53 and won a playoff series. They're at least one year ahead of schedule and for a team that hadn't had ANY success, have seemed to create a good culture.
I get it that he kind of wet the bed as far as his adjustments but to me he's earned at least another couple of cracks at it.
Even Mark Jackson had two playoff runs before he got axed, right?
It's never good to see a black man join the unemployment line. I expected him to at least last until the start of next season. It's pretty obvious Toronto flamed out badly, but that's pretty terrible for dude to get canned so quickly.
Out of curiosity, outside of the dude that fleeced the Knicks twice a while back, do the Raptors have one else of color in the front office?
"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.
9. "RE: Casey wins "kiss of death" award; now fired" In response to Reply # 0
I woulda wanted him gone too.
Back-to-back sweeps…not just that they lost to Cavs, but the sweeps, and the fact that the team clearly was mentally and physically checked out at the end...
He is a good coach but the team is done after that.
Totally different style of coach from Thibs who wore out both his welcome and his players…but at a certain point it became clear that Bulls team had peaked, and were never going to get over that hump.
At that point you wish everybody well and send them on their way. Players too.
11. "this was expected. if they were more competitive he prolly keeps his job..." In response to Reply # 0
but its hard against a focused Kang
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16. "the bright side: long term this is good for Casey" In response to Reply # 0
he's an obvious fall guy here. I'm not even sure this one is primarily about racism but business. Really hard to sell season tickets with the same doomed cast coming back (although choosing the black head coach as the guy to go is not NOT racist).
But back to Casey. He's leaving Toronto at their absolute apex. No coach is going to do better with this talent than he did, and the talent is aging, so it's very likely the team is immediately much worse next year. There's zero doubt in my mind he gets another shot within 12 months. if he had stuck around to preside over the raptors demise, i'm not sure he would have.
---- bshelly
"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God
derozan and lowry just aren't good enough. casey did an amazing job getting the team to be as good as he did with those two, but those two were never getting a team over the hump.
---- bshelly
"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God
36. "RE: The longest tenured EC HC is..." In response to Reply # 35
>Erik Spoelstra > >No knock on him..,he's a great coach > >But think about that > >Bron has put every franchise in transition > >Except the one he plays for.
While not completely drastic, the Cavaliers have gone through changes while LeBron's been with them; from the David Blatt firing to the whole madness with the trades with this season. Heightened expectations hit teams LeBron plays against and personnel he plays with as well.
"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.
auragin_boi Member since Aug 01st 2003 20939 posts
Fri May-11-18 12:04 PM
24. "This would have been like the Knicks firing Riley in 92-93" In response to Reply # 0
after they lost to the Bulls for the 3rd yr in a row.
He won 60 games with that team which was the 2nd best in the league (just like Tor winning 59 which was second to Hou).
The year after, MJ retires, Knicks go to the finals and lose.
Toronto might have had an opportunity next year if Bron leaves Cle and goes west (though Boston and to a less extent Philly would have been huge hurdles).
I think they gave up on him a yr too early. Sometimes it's just that ONE guy holding you back from getting there.
30. "RE: This would have been like the Knicks firing Riley in 92-93" In response to Reply # 24
>after they lost to the Bulls for the 3rd yr in a row. > >He won 60 games with that team which was the 2nd best in the >league (just like Tor winning 59 which was second to Hou). > >The year after, MJ retires, Knicks go to the finals and lose. > >Toronto might have had an opportunity next year if Bron leaves >Cle and goes west (though Boston and to a less extent Philly >would have been huge hurdles). > >I think they gave up on him a yr too early. Sometimes it's >just that ONE guy holding you back from getting there.
Did they get swept twice in a row?
Does the name Duane Casey got the same amount of weight as Riley's did then?
Let's not compare apples to oranges. Casey a good coach, his work with this team, and this team itself, is done.
33. "Nothing but respect for Casey" In response to Reply # 0 Fri May-11-18 02:22 PM by dgonsh
He took this rapscallion group of kids and rejects and turned them into a perennial regular season juggernaut. and then...lebron.
people will talk about the 59 wins, but this team should have won 63 or 64. their last month or two of the regular season shower real regression defensively and a return to bad habits. they limped (maybe too harsh, but they didn't soar) to 59 wins. that bled into the playoffs. just like it did the previous year, and the year before that (when they got SWEPT by the wizards in round one and people were calling for Caseys head then).
You can simultaneously praise him for the sum of his parts, the regular season success, while simultaneously acknowledging that at some point the raptors are a great regular season team, and a poor playoff team. It took virtually ALL the games vs Brooklyn, Indiana and Miami in order to get embarrassed by LeBron. This team NEVER made it easy on themselves in the playoffs. Forget make it easy,...they actively would regress and STRUGGLE to wins in the playoffs. DeMar and Kyle aren't fakers. They are all stars, but they've never competently shown up in the playoffs for extended periods. You can't have a sophomore Bench Mob if the All Stars force the bench to carry all that weight.
I love Casey. I think if he can make great teams exceptional. But he couldn't make a great team play like even themselves in the playoffs. Time to respectfully say our thank you's and move on to a different approach.
42. "Nah, sorry but y'all ain't that" In response to Reply # 33
teams that go 63-19 or better are historically great teams. You went 40-12 in conference, beating up on a lot of mediocre to horrible teams. Love wasn't himself most of the year for whatever reason (injuries, Isaiah Thomas team cancer, etc) but he's dialed in now. No way your "Portland Trailblazers +" style team was better than the greatest player of this era + a focused, healthy Love. You should never fire a coach whose team is on an upswing. The Rockets gonna fire Pringles when the Warriors beat them in 5???
41. "He didn't win the NBA coach of the year award" In response to Reply # 0
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
48. "IMO fairness standard will be Casey's next job, not this firing" In response to Reply # 0
Lotta factors here and this gives him an opportunity to find a situation with more upside. The Raptors reached the peak of what they could achieve. If he ends up in Milwaukee, hey, that's a better deal for all involved parties, mainly Casey and the Bucks. If he ends up in some shithole job like Sacramento or Phoenix, then it's business as usual for black coaches getting dogged out.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
55. "i actually think Beilein was their best option THIS year" In response to Reply # 53
before Beilein's name was in the mix tho, i wanted someone younger. Stackhouse was my #1, but id have been thrilled with Ime Udoka or Becky Hammon.
Casey is just meh to me. This roster, if healthy, was going to make the playoffs either way (record with Reggie Jackson this year projected to 3 seed) and its annoying that they hired a guy who has a track record of "just ok" in the postseason. Id have preferred an unknown with a ceiling, rather than a vet with a high floor.
still think they should have let Stan have his last year to make a stand with the roster he built, but oh well. we shall see.
He wasn't fucking kidding about the Blake point-forward shit either. In the last few minutes of regulation and overtime, Griffin was bringing the ball up the floor and initiating the offense.
59. "They are playing *exactly* like Casey said they would. " In response to Reply # 58
>He wasn't fucking kidding about the Blake point-forward shit >either. In the last few minutes of regulation and overtime, >Griffin was bringing the ball up the floor and initiating the >offense.
61. "Nah, you shit on the Casey hire at every opportunity. All good. " In response to Reply # 60
>if thats what Blake has to give, obviously im yhrilled about >this
Pistons ain't gonna do shit, because they're not very good, but that Casey is an exquisite coach is already very obvious. Blake has stated as much about his ability to communicate complex ideas.
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71. "No but he could’ve grabbed a better class of eastern conference trash" In response to Reply # 68
No, he wasn’t getting an elite job, but he could’ve gotten a Brooklyn or a Charlotte level job if he sat out a year. Now he’s going to be blamed for missing the playoffs with this bullshit roster,
---- bshelly
"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God
Like this team would have been better BEFORE that trade? These other players are terrible. The Pistons have the worst guard play in the league, bar none, including the team that employs Kris Dunn and fucking Zach Lavine in those spots.
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