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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/25/sports/nfl-owners-kaepernick.html

Inside the Confidential N.F.L. Meeting to Discuss National Anthem Protests
By KEN BELSON and MARK LEIBOVICHAPRIL 25, 2018

N.F.L. owners, players and league executives, about 30 in all, convened urgently at the league’s headquarters on Park Avenue in October, nearly a month after President Trump began deriding the league and its players over protests during the national anthem.

It was an extraordinary summit; rarely do owners and players meet in this manner. But the president’s remarks about players who were kneeling during the anthem had catalyzed a level of public hostility that the N.F.L. had never experienced. In the spirit of partnership at the meeting, the owners decided that they and the players should sit in alternating seats around the large table that featured an N.F.L. logo in the middle.

“Let’s make sure that we keep this confidential,” Commissioner Roger Goodell said to begin the session.

The New York Times has obtained an audio recording of the roughly three-hour meeting, and several people in the room corroborated details of the gathering. The unvarnished conversation reveals how the leaders of the most dominant sports league in the country and several of its most outspoken players confronted an unprecedented moment — mostly by talking past one another.

The players sounded aggrieved. After discussing a proposal to finance nonprofit groups to address player concerns, they wanted to talk about why Colin Kaepernick, the quarterback who started the anthem protests to highlight social injustice and police brutality against African-Americans, was, they believed, being blackballed by the owners. The owners sounded panicked about their business under attack, and wanted to focus on damage control.

“If he was on a roster right now, all this negativeness and divisiveness could be turned into a positive,” Philadelphia Eagles defensive lineman Chris Long said at the meeting.

Long said he did not wish to “lecture any team” on what quarterbacks to sign, but “we all agree in this room as players that he should be on a roster.” The owners’ responses were noncommittal. The Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie said that fighting for social justice is not “about one person.”

The New England Patriots owner Robert K. Kraft pointed to another “elephant in the room.”

“This kneeling,” he said.

“The problem we have is, we have a president who will use that as fodder to do his mission that I don’t feel is in the best interests of America,” said Kraft, who is a longtime supporter of Mr. Trump’s. “It’s divisive and it’s horrible.”

The owners were intent on finding a way to avoid Trump’s continued criticism. The president’s persistent jabs on Twitter had turned many fans against the league. Lurie, who called Trump’s presidency “disastrous,” cautioned against players getting drawn into the president’s tactics.

“We’ve got to be careful not to be baited by Trump or whomever else,” Lurie said. “We have to find a way to not be divided and not get baited.”

The Buffalo Bills owner Terry Pegula sounded anguished over the uncertainty of when Trump would take another shot at the league. “All Donald needs to do is to start to do this again,” Pegula said. “We need some kind of immediate plan because of what’s going on in society. All of us now, we need to put a Band-Aid on what’s going on in the country.”

The Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shahid Khan countered that the worst was behind them. “All the damage Trump’s going to do is done,” he said.

The owners kept returning to one bottom-line issue: Large numbers of fans and sponsors had become angry about the protests. Boycotts had been threatened and jerseys burned and — most worrisome — TV ratings were declining.

Pegula complained that the league was “under assault.” He unloaded a dizzying flurry of nautical metaphors to describe their predicament. “To me, this is like a glacier moving into the ocean,” he said. “We’re getting hit with a tsunami.” He expressed his wish that the league never be “a glacier crawling into the ocean.”

The Houston Texans owner Bob McNair was more direct. He urged the players to tell their colleagues to, essentially, knock off the kneeling. “You fellas need to ask your compadres, fellas, stop that other business, let’s go out and do something that really produces positive results, and we’ll help you.”

After the Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross raised the idea of a “march on Washington” by N.F.L. players and owners, Eric Reid, Kaepernick’s former teammate and the first player to kneel alongside him, brought the discussion back to Kaepernick.

Reid, who attended the meeting wearing a Kaepernick T-shirt over his dress shirt and tie, said that his former teammate was being blackballed.

“I feel like he was hung out to dry,” Reid said of Kaepernick. “Everyone in here is talking about how much they support us.” The room fell quiet. “Nobody stepped up and said we support Colin’s right to do this. We all let him become Public Enemy No. 1 in this country, and he still doesn’t have a job.”

Pegula offered that he thought the league was battling a perception and “media problem.” He said it would be great for the league to find a compelling spokesman — preferably a player — to promote all of the good things they were doing together. He suggested that the league could learn from the gun lobby in this regard.

“For years we’ve watched the National Rifle Association use Charlton Heston as a figurehead,” Pegula said. “We need a spokesman.”

Anquan Boldin, a former N.F.L. wide receiver who was at the meeting, said that owners needed to be spokesmen, too. “Letting people know it’s not just the players that care about these issues, but the owners, too,” Boldin said.

Pegula didn’t address Boldin’s point except to add that it would be important for the spokesman to be black. (None of the N.F.L.’s 32 owners are black.)

“For us to have a face, as an African-American, at least a face that could be in the media,” Pegula continued, “we could fall in behind that.”

Kaepernick’s name was not mentioned again. He continues to pursue a labor grievance accusing the owners of colluding to keep him out of the league. He remains unsigned.

Before the meeting ended, owners had quoted Thomas Paine (the Falcons owner Arthur Blank), invoked Martin Luther King Jr.’s Selma march (Ross of the Dolphins) and expressed great hope for what they all could accomplish together (“We have a chance to do something monumental,” declared the Giants owner John Mara).

The meeting concluded with some participants saying how positive the session had been, and how they would all keep talking. Goodell told the group that another meeting was being scheduled. They planned to issue a “joint statement” to underscore their shared commitment.

Kraft said the statement should reflect how everyone had come together for a good cause. “It would be good if you could work in the word ‘unified’ or ‘unity’ in some fashion,” he said, referring to the joint statement.

“We could say simply, today we had a reset, and the players’ issues are our issues, and we recognize them and will work together,” Ross said.

“I like the language of ‘our issues,’ ” said DeMaurice Smith, executive director of the players’ union.

About an hour later, the league released its joint statement:

“Today owners and players had a productive meeting focused on how we can work together to promote positive social change and address inequality in our communities. NFL executives and owners joined NFLPA executives and player leaders to review and discuss plans to utilize our platform to promote equality and effectuate positive change. We agreed that these are common issues and pledged to meet again to continue this work together.”

  

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Sounds like a meeting to get the players to back down.
Apr 25th 2018
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“It’s divisive and it’s horrible.”
Apr 25th 2018
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Sounds like it went better than I would have expected
Apr 25th 2018
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For the owners to be primarily concerned with Trump PR
Apr 25th 2018
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      RE: For the owners to be primarily concerned with Trump PR
Apr 25th 2018
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      Agree
Apr 25th 2018
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      I don't get how politics have anything to do with it.
Apr 25th 2018
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      those same owners love them some Muhammad Ali tho..
Apr 25th 2018
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      RE: those same owners love them some Muhammad Ali tho..
Apr 25th 2018
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      Right.
Apr 25th 2018
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           RE: Right.
Apr 25th 2018
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      The owners are businessmen concerned about their bottom line.
Apr 25th 2018
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All i got from this is I'm looking at Malcom Jenkins even funnier rn
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1. "Sounds like a meeting to get the players to back down. "
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Seems like it worked quite well.

  

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2. "“It’s divisive and it’s horrible.”"
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Weird way for Kraft to describe his big wet golfing buddy, but ok.

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3. "Sounds like it went better than I would have expected"
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I guess that's because of all the money involved, but I have hear stupider arguments every day. Most American's are only capable of speaking past one another, so it's not surprising these owners basic premise is "How to make Trump stop" and the players are not entirely unified in what they want from the NFL (besides giving Colin a job, which doesn't appear to be happening)


I mean…there is no real "solution", certainly not one that the NFL is capable of. And if anyone anywhere could make Trump stop anything, they would have by now.

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4. "For the owners to be primarily concerned with Trump PR"
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shows how truly awful their politics are. And no, it's not surprising in the least.

Players are protesting people being murdered in the streets by agents of the state, and to a man all the owners care about is finding a way to end the bad PR as quickly as possible.

As long as that solution isn't, you know, actually supporting the protests or their goals.

  

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5. "RE: For the owners to be primarily concerned with Trump PR"
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>shows how truly awful their politics are. And no, it's not
>surprising in the least.
>
>Players are protesting people being murdered in the streets by
>agents of the state, and to a man all the owners care about is
>finding a way to end the bad PR as quickly as possible.
>
>As long as that solution isn't, you know, actually supporting
>the protests or their goals.
>

Chances are some of them think the protests are overblown, and others, while perhaps sympathetic, are ambievalent about the likelihood of solving Americas longstanding racial schizophrenia and the myriad problems it creates, and want to protect what is in their pockets.

Those two positions probably cover most white Americans. And the latter position probably covers most Americans period.

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>>shows how truly awful their politics are. And no, it's not
>>surprising in the least.
>>
>>Players are protesting people being murdered in the streets
>by
>>agents of the state, and to a man all the owners care about
>is
>>finding a way to end the bad PR as quickly as possible.
>>
>>As long as that solution isn't, you know, actually
>supporting
>>the protests or their goals.
>>
>
>Chances are some of them think the protests are overblown, and
>others, while perhaps sympathetic, are ambievalent about the
>likelihood of solving Americas longstanding racial
>schizophrenia and the myriad problems it creates, and want to
>protect what is in their pockets.
>
>Those two positions probably cover most white Americans. And
>the latter position probably covers most Americans period.

  

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6. "I don't get how politics have anything to do with it. "
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do we honestly think this is anything but a deflection from substance in speaking of this vague 'unity' they keep referring to in this meeting and honest conversations about race and inequality in America for the ol' 'Let's all enjoy America and football!'

It's obviously about the bottom line and how to get to it for the owners, period. 100% of the owner's are white. How am I to believe they have any stake at all in social justice? How am I to believe that 60% of their fanbase has a stake in social justice enough to change their behavior?

Clearly the owners have and would embrace 'other' (read non-White male) voices if they believe it will improve their bottom line. (breast cancer awareness, my cause my cleats, Play 60, Autism Speaks etc.)

But when it comes to injustice and police brutality, these aren't topics that make polite conversation, and they want to tune it out.

  

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7. "those same owners love them some Muhammad Ali tho.."
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its disgusting to me that we still doin this in 2018



>do we honestly think this is anything but a deflection from
>substance in speaking of this vague 'unity' they keep
>referring to in this meeting and honest conversations about
>race and inequality in America for the ol' 'Let's all enjoy
>America and football!'
>
>It's obviously about the bottom line and how to get to it for
>the owners, period. 100% of the owner's are white. How am I to
>believe they have any stake at all in social justice? How am I
>to believe that 60% of their fanbase has a stake in social
>justice enough to change their behavior?
>
>Clearly the owners have and would embrace 'other' (read
>non-White male) voices if they believe it will improve their
>bottom line. (breast cancer awareness, my cause my cleats,
>Play 60, Autism Speaks etc.)
>
>But when it comes to injustice and police brutality, these
>aren't topics that make polite conversation, and they want to
>tune it out.

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11. "RE: those same owners love them some Muhammad Ali tho.."
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What else could possibly happen though? I guess my expectations for people, on a whole, are much lower.

However sad it may be, the fact that they feel the need to -publicly, at least- do anything other than defend "law and order" is actually progress!

It can be sad. But it is still change from things were like before.

Most people do not care enough to suffer financial or emotional hardship about any problem that does not affect them. Getting people to that place is pretty much the hardest thing in the world.

If the NFL were suddenly to declare itself in total support of BLM and denounce all manner of police and state violence in unequivocal terms it would place them well to the left of the general American public, at the very moment when the majority is moving to the right, if anything. Which would be financially disastrous. You don't get to be rich enough to own an NFL team without putting economic prudence ahead of idealism, and pretty much anything else.


There is a word for people who act ethically without regard to their bottom line in this country. It's "brave"

I don't look around corporate boardrooms and expect to see a coterie of brave Americans. Quite the opposite.

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8. "Right."
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>But when it comes to injustice and police brutality, these
>aren't topics that make polite conversation, and they want to
>tune it out.

Right. And if you care about your bottom line more than supporting your employees who are protesting being murdered by police, you have shitty politics or morals or whatever you want to call it.

Surprising? Not in the least.

But in caring more about bad PR than they do about people murdered by the state, they state unequivocally what they believe in and will stand up for.

Profit over dead people.

Probably describes a majority of white Americans. Not surprising in the least. But at least now we know it for sure.

These owners are all pieces of shit.

  

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13. "RE: Right."
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>
>>But when it comes to injustice and police brutality, these
>>aren't topics that make polite conversation, and they want
>to
>>tune it out.
>
>Right. And if you care about your bottom line more than
>supporting your employees who are protesting being murdered by
>police, you have shitty politics or morals or whatever you
>want to call it.
>
>Surprising? Not in the least.
>
>But in caring more about bad PR than they do about people
>murdered by the state, they state unequivocally what they
>believe in and will stand up for.
>
>Profit over dead people.
>

It's also that…if people don't see a solution that is easy or tied to their specific situation, they are not going to take an L for symbolism. And they are not going to invest time and energy into solving it if it doesn't affect them.

Was it fair for people to ask Mike about kids getting killed for Jordans? In some ways yeah, because kids wanted those shoes, ostensibly because of Jordan. But on another level, what the hell is Mike gonna do? If he takes his shoes off the market or lowers the price…would that have really fundamentally changed anything? No. The real issues were not Jordan, or the price of Nikes.

I guess I don't really give a fuck what the NFL does besides make sure no one is blackballed and no one's rights are infringed. This whole kneeling controversy is a side-effect of a problem way bigger than the NFL, and any solutions lie in the hands of citizens and their government, not a bunch of greedy suits in a hotel suite.

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>After the Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross raised the idea of
>a “march on Washington” by N.F.L. players and owners, Eric
>Reid, Kaepernick’s former teammate and the first player to
>kneel alongside him, brought the discussion back to
>Kaepernick.
>
>Reid, who attended the meeting wearing a Kaepernick T-shirt
>over his dress shirt and tie, said that his former teammate
>was being blackballed.
>
>“I feel like he was hung out to dry,” Reid said of
>Kaepernick. “Everyone in here is talking about how much they
>support us.” The room fell quiet. “Nobody stepped up and
>said we support Colin’s right to do this. We all let him
>become Public Enemy No. 1 in this country, and he still
>doesn’t have a job.”
>
>Pegula offered that he thought the league was battling a
>perception and “media problem.” He said it would be great
>for the league to find a compelling spokesman — preferably a
>player — to promote all of the good things they were doing
>together. He suggested that the league could learn from the
>gun lobby in this regard.
>
>“For years we’ve watched the National Rifle Association
>use Charlton Heston as a figurehead,” Pegula said. “We
>need a spokesman.”
>
>Anquan Boldin, a former N.F.L. wide receiver who was at the
>meeting, said that owners needed to be spokesmen, too.
>“Letting people know it’s not just the players that care
>about these issues, but the owners, too,” Boldin said.
>
>Pegula didn’t address Boldin’s point except to add that it
>would be important for the spokesman to be black. (None of the
>N.F.L.’s 32 owners are black.)
>
>“For us to have a face, as an African-American, at least a
>face that could be in the media,” Pegula continued, “we
>could fall in behind that.”
>



Ohhh and i think Kaep gonna win his case

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