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Tiger Woods
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"Tell me why Kawhi's behavior isn't bitch-made..."


  

          

...because I'm having a hard time telling myself it isn't.

It would seem this guy outright quit on his team for an entire season and is poised to strong arm his way off that team. If it were a shit club like Sacramento or Washington, I'd get it. But it's not a shit club, it's the best club. So I'm confused how this isn't some outright unforgivable hoe shit.

The weird thing is that because both he and the Spurs are so low-profile, this isn't as massive a story as it should be. It's a big story, sure, but imagine the noise if it were the Lakers or Knicks.

Next time you call Durant a "bitch" for choosing a new employer and doing it by the book, or call Lebron a "bitch" for appearing passive in the waning minutes of a playoff loss (when he's probably had like 45, 15, and 9 carrying some dogshit supporting cast), remind yourself that that isn't really "bitch" behavior - nothing compared to just quitting on your team. He's BEEN healthy - you know it, Pop knows it, team knows it, and Kawhi knows it.

  

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Reality is we dont know what's going on.
Apr 15th 2018
1
he's not even around tho, and his team has begged him back
Apr 15th 2018
3
      They also mighta been dead wrong about him being healthy
Apr 15th 2018
7
man, we were kickin this around at the barber shop...
Apr 15th 2018
2
moral support aint gonna make it better for the spurs
Apr 15th 2018
4
      but that's YOU as a guy on the internet, fam...
Apr 15th 2018
5
           it wouldnt matter to me if i was playing either
Apr 15th 2018
6
           Sounds like thwir problem, not his.
Apr 16th 2018
11
                which was the basis of my whole reply #2
Apr 16th 2018
12
it might be
Apr 15th 2018
8
Two words: Andrew Toney
Apr 16th 2018
9
How about you fire this off in an email to him and his doctor
Apr 16th 2018
10
Joe Paterno lesson in effect
Apr 16th 2018
13
that's some wild shit to say about a dude you've never been
Apr 16th 2018
14
because it isn't. if an elite athlete say they injured, i believe them.
Apr 16th 2018
15
These assumptions are so dumb
Apr 16th 2018
16
i'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, how many players
Apr 16th 2018
17
Brandon Roy says hi & grow the fuck up.
Apr 16th 2018
18
The conflations & emotional assumptions are getting ridic
Apr 16th 2018
35
Have to wait and see what happens
Apr 16th 2018
19
I won't...because it is.
Apr 16th 2018
20
Kwahi called...he said "eat a dick straight up"
Apr 16th 2018
21
really? NBA contracts are guaranteed and this is the Spurs
Apr 16th 2018
25
      If you chasing a ring....you really going to the Spurs?
Apr 16th 2018
28
      ionno, I think if he stays the Spurs are one player away from a ring
Apr 17th 2018
56
      these are edge considerations
Apr 16th 2018
29
      Lol da hell you talking bout?
Apr 16th 2018
32
      Lol this was my original reply
Apr 16th 2018
46
      IT was gonna be a legend too, or maybe he is one?
Apr 16th 2018
34
           IT is 5' tall. Nah bruh
Apr 17th 2018
55
                5' or no, he cost himself a pile of cash by playing through injury
Apr 17th 2018
57
nah but these Spurs "fans" definitely are (WaPo swipe)
Apr 16th 2018
22
Jesus Christ when stupidity and racism have no sense
Apr 16th 2018
37
The empathy in here is commendable. Some of you have progressed as human...
Apr 16th 2018
23
I'm confused by his silence, but don't know enough to choose sides
Apr 16th 2018
24
Remember when Kevin Calabro use to call 'shard The Quiet Man?
Apr 16th 2018
31
      I think Kawhi is maybe even quieter than Rashard
Apr 16th 2018
33
I'd only call Kawhi out
Apr 16th 2018
26
Actually, Popovich is the only one acting truly wack in this situation.
Apr 16th 2018
27
Absolutely no difference between "posse" and "group"
Apr 16th 2018
30
      are You this easily triggered in real life
Apr 16th 2018
44
very strange, but the markelle fultz bionic shoulder saga was odd too
Apr 16th 2018
36
...BUT, do you see how that maybe acceptable for a rookie...
Apr 16th 2018
38
      Wait, what? Kawhi gets LESS benefit of the doubt? How/why?
Apr 16th 2018
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           RE: reply 20
Apr 16th 2018
40
Spurs fan here...
Apr 16th 2018
41
Cuz “his group” says it ain’t. Ask them!
Apr 16th 2018
42
Lmao. How long before we get the "RETURN OF DA GOD" post?
Apr 16th 2018
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I was living a life today, try it sometime
Apr 16th 2018
45
      Psst... i posted that while waiting to be seated at a restaurant
Apr 16th 2018
47
           you had dinner alone though. Shrug
Apr 16th 2018
48
                Zzzzzz. You're running with that generic, unimaginative nonsense?
Apr 16th 2018
50
                     More words please
Apr 16th 2018
51
                          More deflections, loser
Apr 16th 2018
52
if Kawhi wills his way to the Lakers, will y’all be cool with that?
Apr 16th 2018
49
What if its houston? Or OKC? Or..or...or...
Apr 16th 2018
54
Why not?
Apr 17th 2018
59
got to hold out until its found out what's really happening
Apr 16th 2018
53
He's being a horrible teammate. If he can play, he should.
Apr 17th 2018
He's being a horrible teammate. If he can play, he should.
Apr 17th 2018
58
Boogie picks up Kawhi on private jet for Coachella trip (link)
Apr 17th 2018
60
They really try anything to ruin Boogie's good name.
Apr 17th 2018
61
Outfit looks like a collage of original Nintendo effects
Apr 17th 2018
62
yeah, that's shitty that Gentry had to get caught up like tha
Apr 17th 2018
65
Call Boogie a bad teammate now.
Apr 17th 2018
64
Is Boogie a better teammate than Kawhi?
Apr 20th 2018
66
there appears to be a LOT of spin on this story (reddit swipe)
Apr 17th 2018
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Ryan M
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1. "Reality is we dont know what's going on."
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And IT, Karl Malone, many others have showed us sometimes teams doctors are very, very wrong.

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3. "he's not even around tho, and his team has begged him back"
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7. "They also mighta been dead wrong about him being healthy "
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So I don’t totally agree with not showing up but I understand why

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2. "man, we were kickin this around at the barber shop..."
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Sun Apr-15-18 09:45 PM by Dstl1

  

          

yesterday. There HAS to be some ill shit that we aren't privy to. I mean, ok, you and your uncle decided to rehab at the NBA facilities in NY or whatever. Cool. But damn, you can't be there to support the team? Your squad getting boat raced...you can't be on the bench in a poorly fitted sport jacket, matching v-neck and gold chain? Or...does the team not want him there? I dunno. I ain't gone question dude's character, but this looks bad.

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4. "moral support aint gonna make it better for the spurs"
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if he aint gonna play idgaf whether he watches it at the game, at home on the virtual reality shit the nba is pushing or plays fortnite instead of watching the game.

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5. "but that's YOU as a guy on the internet, fam..."
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not an NBA player who's teammate and best player has been ghost all season. I'm sure that shit matters to them.

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6. "it wouldnt matter to me if i was playing either"
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if he cant play or dont want to then im not thinking about him. im going to war w/ who can/wants to be there.

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11. "Sounds like thwir problem, not his."
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There is plenty of info out there about there being a deeper issue at play....

Which means there's also not enough info out there to condemn him for being the ghost he's been.

  

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12. "which was the basis of my whole reply #2"
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8. "it might be"
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but he's getting the benefit of the doubt for now because his entire persona until this season has been super low key. i'll wait and see what happens in the offseason because i really don't know what to think right now

pop continuing to say "kawhi and his group" sure doesn't sound great for a long future with the spurs, though

  

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9. "Two words: Andrew Toney"
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The SG for the Sixers known as the Boston Strangler shortly after they won the title in '83, complained of foot injuries. The Sixers doctors insisted that he was "cleared to play". It got somewhat ugly between the team and Toney, somewhat similar to how it' seems to be getting with Leonard. Pressured by the team, Toney played with it hurt a little bit, then missed a full season injured...came back, but was never the same, and was gone from the league by '87 (I think)

It took decades for the rift between Toney and the Sixers to heal...He wouldn't attend reunions of the Championship team, efforts from players and the front office went unanswered. A key player in them winning it all on one of the greatest teams in NBA history was left out of celebrations all because Harold Katz and the team physicians didn't want to listen to Toney's claims.

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10. "How about you fire this off in an email to him and his doctor"
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Because every word of your post seems to assume he's at 100% health, and you know better than he and his own doctors whats best for his health and the longevity of his career.

  

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13. "Joe Paterno lesson in effect"
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We don't know shit. Could bitch made, could be completely legit.

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14. "that's some wild shit to say about a dude you've never been"
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in a room with.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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15. "because it isn't. if an elite athlete say they injured, i believe them. "
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simple as that.

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16. "These assumptions are so dumb"
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You have zero understanding of a quad tendopathy & how variable the recovery can be.

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17. "i'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, how many players"
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have fought through injuries in the playoffs (when they weren't even the favorite to win it) to jack up their career.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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18. "Brandon Roy says hi & grow the fuck up. "
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35. "The conflations & emotional assumptions are getting ridic"
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There are numerous reasons why his return to play timetable has been "indefinite"...that hasn't suddenly changed. The public loves attributing things to personal behavior, gossip queens all over the place.

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19. "Have to wait and see what happens"
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If he does leave Spurs this offseason and plays 70 games next year it probably won't look too good. If he stays a Spur and still seems to be working back from injury, then who are we to say he should be playing. He probably doesn't feel close to 100% and is at odds with the Spurs medical staff and teammates and coach who think he should be playing right now.

  

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20. "I won't...because it is."
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IMO, the bitch assed ness has nothing to do with his health

Injured or not, this is unacceptable from an NBA franchise player

He is suppose to be the SAN Spur's leader

The fact that it's gone on this long

and he is still sulking in the shadows is character unfitting a top 5 player IMO

Pressers
Media statements
Traveling with the team
Training with the team
etc...

That's part of the job

This isn't 20Y.O, Kwahi establishing himself

This is we've handed the keys to the franchise Kwahi

Bitchmade...and the behavior wouldn't be tolerated from any other franchise player I can think of...other than Boogie.

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21. "Kwahi called...he said "eat a dick straight up""
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no offense, but real talk...loyalty don't get you SHIT in this league.

If Kwahi is still hurt...don't matter what anybody else says. By not being there, he's avoiding the media circus of having to answer "WHEN WILL YOU BE BACK, KWAHI?!?" after every fucking loss....and there will be losses...consecutive losses.

Add in the fact that this is (if I'm not mistaken) either a free agency year or the final year of that 5 year deal...so you in position to reup. Doesn't make no sense to go out there and risk potential long term injury on a "SLIM AT BEST" championship run with the Spurs current lineup.

Then season with a little if Kwahi DID come back and permanently ruptured some shit, that fucks up his earning potential...if he plays poorly, that fucks up his market value....

That nigga has NO incentive to ride that pine and these hoes ain't loyal.

If that's bitch behavior....I'llbeedat (c) Redman

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25. "really? NBA contracts are guaranteed and this is the Spurs"
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they are probably the most loyal franchise in the NBA when it comes to star players. Plus their coach seems pretty fucking ride or die when it comes to speaking on Black issues"

Robinson
Duncan
Parker
Ginobli

Dude was going to be a the next great Spurs legend before this incident.


shut up already, damn

  

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28. "If you chasing a ring....you really going to the Spurs?"
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Mon Apr-16-18 01:36 PM by DVS

  

          

Mind you, the fact that the Spurs organization is an elite franchise in the league goes without question. They are the cream of the crop when it comes to executives and coaching. Their roster tho....

The Spurs rode the Tim Duncan surprise bonanza as far as they could POSSIBLY take it. Now David Robinson been gone, Timmy gone, Manu and Tony are extras from The Walking Dead....so you basically got Aldridge (fringe star at best), Gasol (he's on the next season of The Walking Dead) and....DeJonte Murray?

That's not fucking with the Rockets or the Warriors in the foreseeable future. Minny is on the quiet come-up....and the Spurs have NEVER been a top free agent destination.

You know who comes to the Spurs? Late career ring chasers. Free agents? They choosing the big markets.

So that means that, if you about to lock in for a 5-7 year deal....you're basically going to have to beat the odds and Tim Duncan the lottery again to have a chance at a chip.

Now, mind you....he would have been the face of the franchise, playing for a premier coach in a rabid fan base....but you not getting a chip.

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56. "ionno, I think if he stays the Spurs are one player away from a ring"
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just seems odd seeing this play out with the Spurs who seem pretty loyal when it comes to franchise players.

shut up already, damn

  

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29. "these are edge considerations"
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Kawhi is up for a contract soon and doesn't want to mess up his money by getting injured. Pop going to a BLM protest is not gonna change that

Same goes for being a 'Spurs legend'. Would be nice, maybe, but he can easily be a 'legend' elsewhere

  

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32. "Lol da hell you talking bout?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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46. "Lol this was my original reply "
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34. "IT was gonna be a legend too, or maybe he is one?"
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but his money is for sure gone, and no one in Boston is pitching in to fix that for him.


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55. "IT is 5' tall. Nah bruh"
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shut up already, damn

  

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57. "5' or no, he cost himself a pile of cash by playing through injury"
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22. "nah but these Spurs "fans" definitely are (WaPo swipe)"
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‘Insulted’ pro-Trump Spurs fans feel forced to choose between their team and the president

Not long ago, Cassandra Casanova would plan her weeks around the NBA playoff schedule. She’d wear her San Antonio Spurs gear and spend days talking about her favorite team, dissecting their postseason matchup. Not this year.

“I have no idea when the games are,” she said. “I could not care less.”

Casanova ignored the Spurs’ playoff opener over the weekend, a Game 1 loss to the Golden State Warriors in Oakland, and doesn’t feel as though she missed a thing. She has no problem with Kawhi Leonard, Manu Ginóbili or Tony Parker. Her anger is directed solely at Coach Gregg Popovich.

“I am completely turned off. After all those years supporting the team, and now I just have no interest,” she said. “Popovich really messed up.”

Sports fandom in 2018 can be complicated, particularly when athletes and coaches have no qualms about espousing their political views. Fans such as Casanova are the inevitable result: someone who feels insulted and can no longer bring herself to root for her favorite team, which is making its 21st consecutive playoff appearance. When Popovich got political, Casanova got a garbage bag and filled it with 30 or so Spurs T-shirts, banners and trinkets. It all went immediately to Goodwill.

“That’s how angry I got. It ruined my basketball life,” she said. “I took it personally. I was such a loyal fan and he insulted me. Why would you start attacking the people who had been so loyal?”

For years, national politics either wasn’t relevant in the sports world or sports figures made a concerted effort to steer clear. But as athletes and coaches become increasingly vocal on political and social issues, some fans have seen their ideological loyalties at war with their sporting interests.

Since the presidential campaign, Popovich has shared his disdain for Trump. He’s called the country “an embarrassment to the world” and the president a “soulless coward” and a “pathological liar.” The veteran coach is disgusted by comments he called “xenophobic, homophobic, racist, misogynistic” — “and I live in a country where half the people ignored all that to elect someone. That’s the scariest part of the whole thing to me,” he said after the election.

That’s a lot to process, especially for those who considered themselves both Spurs fans and Trump supporters. While the city might lean blue, many of the surrounding communities and certainly the state as a whole are reliably conservative. While Hillary Clinton won 53.7 percent of the vote in Bexar County in 2016, there are a half-dozen military bases around San Antonio and no shortage of fans who felt Popovich personally attacked them and their views.

“I often curse Pop for doing what he did,” said Bob Mulherin, a Spurs fan for more than 25 years. “He insulted more than half of the Spurs’ fan base and no sign whatsoever of an apology.”

Mulherin watched Saturday’s playoff game, but he did so alone. Spurs games were once a family affair, but his wife and son want nothing to do with the team now.

“It is sad that Pop basically told my wife and my son and me for that matter that we were fools for supporting Donald Trump,” he said. “What happens when someone calls you a fool? You avoid them.”

The team declined to comment on any effect Popovich’s comments have had on the team or its fan base, but others have noticed at least a minimal impact. Jason Minnix has been around the team for 20 years and hosts the afternoon drive-time show The Blitz on ESPN San Antonio radio. He says he’s heard of fans canceling season tickets and sponsors bailing on the team, but many in San Antonio have become somewhat immune to Popovich’s political commentary and most of the angry callers these days want to talk about the Leonard situation and the team’s uneven season.

“It’s hard for many to just quit your love for the Spurs or any pro sports team over some specific comments from a coach or stuff that’s going on with a player,” he said. “I think you combine the fact that the Spurs have ‘struggled’ this year — I say ‘struggled’ in air quotes — and I think there’s just an overall level of frustration from Spurs fans that we haven’t seen in over 20 years.”

Dawn Hold started following the team 20 years ago, from the inception of the Tim Duncan era, a stretch that produced five NBA titles. She says she’s no fair-weather fan and is hoping she’ll be able to someday cheer on her favorite team again. “I don’t think I could desert them forever,” she says.

But for now a whole portion of her wardrobe is off-limits, including about 75 shirts and Spurs-decorated jewelry, purses and shoes. Hold describes herself as a “crazy fan” and has a spare bedroom she calls her “Spurs room.” The walls are covered with framed photos and everything from the rugs, comforters and lamps feature the team logo. There’s even a carousel horse with a Spurs paint job, which includes a series of Larry O’Brien NBA championship trophies adorning the horse’s backside.

She’s hit the road in previous years, traveling to Memphis or New Jersey to cheer on her team in the playoffs. On Saturday, as the Spurs took on the Warriors, Hold instead went bowling.

“I refuse to go to a game right now or even watch on TV,” she said. “I was really hurt by what he said. He’s basically accusing all the people who voted this one way of being racists and misogynists. It feels very personal.”

Casanova, 65, says basketball occupied a particular place in her life. She didn’t tune into the games to get lectured or criticized — “He’s there to coach and entertain,” she said of Popovich — and she can’t separate what the Spurs coach says into a microphone with what the players do on the court. Similarly, she says she’s not watching the NFL while players protest during the national anthem and avoids movies that feature actors who espouse liberal views.


The Spurs hit the court Monday night, trying to even their opening-round series with the Warriors. Without an injured Leonard in the lineup, San Antonio could be facing only its second first-round exit of the past seven years. Casanova will be among the Trump supporters who can’t bring herself to tune in as long as Popovich is in charge.

“I’m hoping things will change,” she said. “Maybe they’ll end up with a new coach who doesn’t feel the need to talk politics. I just want to watch basketball.”

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37. "Jesus Christ when stupidity and racism have no sense"
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Of irony.

These ‘life long fans’ of a predominantly black sport
are bailing because the coach spoke up for black
players??

Oh and these supporters of the reality star turned
clown president don’t think an NBA coach should
Be political?

Jesus Christ. I hope pop is the coach for another
ten years and they win more rings too.

  

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23. "The empathy in here is commendable. Some of you have progressed as human..."
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Because a few years ago this same energy was not present when Rose was sitting out playoff games a year after tearing an ACL.

  

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24. "I'm confused by his silence, but don't know enough to choose sides"
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IT's situation is probably factoring pretty heavily into how willing players are to risk their health in a contract year right now, though.





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31. "Remember when Kevin Calabro use to call 'shard The Quiet Man?"
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KL been owning that moniker ever since draft day so I'm not really shocked mum's the word here too

>IT's situation is probably factoring pretty heavily into how
>willing players are to risk their health in a contract year
>right now, though.

No doubt

  

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33. "I think Kawhi is maybe even quieter than Rashard"
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I just hope Kawhi gets right and gets back to form somewhere next season. Maybe the Spurs situation is salvageable, maybe not.





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26. "I'd only call Kawhi out"
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if he's completely leaving the Spurs clueless and in the dark as to what is going on. It seems Popavich is implying that's what's going on, but I truly haven't been following this to say that is the case.

Unless dude is planning to go into another field altogether to pay his bills ala Andrew Bynum, I don't see how it suits Kawhi's best interests to quit on his team and professional basketball in general, especially while he's in his prime. I have to think he's legitimately hurt.

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27. "Actually, Popovich is the only one acting truly wack in this situation. "
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Kawhi has said NOTHING other than he's hurt.

Pop has dropped passive aggressive comment after
comment.

But I guess I'm making that up because...well...OE

  

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30. "Absolutely no difference between "posse" and "group""
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it's ultra wack and prettay, prettay, prettay racist. Popp is better than that and needs to knock that shit off.

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44. "are You this easily triggered in real life "
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36. "very strange, but the markelle fultz bionic shoulder saga was odd too"
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same catty comments by coach & staff, same radio silence from the player

so then the media in a update-vaccum creates its own story, to the point they had fultz not able to lift his arm higher than his chest and resigned to a nba career of scoop shots and underhand free throws


woulda been crazy to see kawhi come back right before playoffs, lock down KD and bounce the warriors out before they got back to full strength


but meh, just gotta see how it plays out



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38. "...BUT, do you see how that maybe acceptable for a rookie..."
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AND not acceptable for a top 5 NBA player in his 7th season

?

I don't want to flat out say your comparison is off

...but other than giving a definitive date for Fultz's return...

the 6ers didn't duck the subject like this

I get what you're saying about the media hype and spin

...but Fultz is at practice and on the sidelines...erryday...

you would expect as much from an NBA franchise player, IMO

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39. "Wait, what? Kawhi gets LESS benefit of the doubt? How/why? "
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He's been praised for his professionalism and decency
from day ONE. Like, exclusively. His entire M.O. from
day 1 has been that he's not your "typical superstar."

And so FIRST TIME there's controversy, all of a sudden he's
an asshole?

How do you guys live with having perspectives that are
so warped? Like, does the world look like Jurassic Park
to you?

How can you have so messy a grasp on the universe?

These are serious questions.

  

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40. "RE: reply 20"
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my opinion of how he's handling this has absolutely nothing to do with the legitimacy of his injury

it has everything to do with being an NBA franchise player

...as I've said...Fultz is at practice with his team mates...travels with the team...the media has access to him...etc...

I don't even really care what the issue is...I have no investment in the Spurs

I just flat out think he's handling this very poorly

and the bitchassness description fits IMO

but hey, if you think it's unrealistic to expect a 7 year NBA vet to handle a situation better than a teenage rookie

do you

LOL@folks going at Pop now

you now why you can do that

because he's actually available and talking 'bout it.

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41. "Spurs fan here..."
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…and it's pretty weird.

Can't say who is bitchassed or not until it all plays out but it is very weird.


Spurs really haven't had these types of issues between players and management and Pop and communicating with the public.

Kawahi has never done anything suspect to my recollection. Always gave off an image of reticence, but never unprofessional.

Pop is all good in my book. And saying "his group" makes sense if he has his own doctors and advisers who have asserted control over his situation vis-a-vis the Spurs and/or his public statements. Pop clearly isn't happy about it, but he has done nothing unprofessional IMO.


So…yeah, it's pretty weird. And I'm very curious to see how it plays out and who did what. In all likelihood, if this messiness is the result, the blame is going to be on several hands.

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42. "Cuz “his group” says it ain’t. Ask them!"
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43. "Lmao. How long before we get the "RETURN OF DA GOD" post?"
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Nothing like posting a stupid premise and not returning when things go off the rails.

  

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45. "I was living a life today, try it sometime "
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47. "Psst... i posted that while waiting to be seated at a restaurant"
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Trust, it was the epitome of killing time.

Meanwhile, you weren't busy "living a life" when you wrote a complete ppst calling a professional athlete "bitchmade" like you know better than himself and his own medical professionals.

Oh....and that "living a life" line is some b.s from anyone who still posts on a message board at *all*. For the most part, we're all wasting time on nonsense here whether we're poasting or lurking.... but you keep thinking you're "living a life" that the rest of us aren't also living when we're not killing time on OKP.

  

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48. "you had dinner alone though. Shrug "
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50. "Zzzzzz. You're running with that generic, unimaginative nonsense? "
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Not a surprise, considering the dumb, poorly thought out trash you normally spout off about..... well... everything.

Anyhow you can keep poasting to make this a "thing", and I'll oblige until I grow tired. The wife is putting the kids to bed tonight and I'm watching Raw, so ive got some menial time to burn this evening😙

But please, try and be relatively interesting for once. You could just chage course and write up a decent retraction, talking about how your OP was dumb as rocks, wtf where you thinking, etc, but we both know that won't happen.

  

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51. "More words please"
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52. "More deflections, loser"
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Why art thou so dumb, and bullish in thy dumbness, in the face of reason?

I'd really like to know.

I'm fascinated.

  

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49. "if Kawhi wills his way to the Lakers, will y’all be cool with that?"
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54. "What if its houston? Or OKC? Or..or...or..."
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What if you addressed the glaring, gaping, gargantuan flaws in your op, would your usually dumb, low iq, zero-aptitude for constructing a halfway sound argument assed persona be cool with that?

Or is it just better to keep up appearances?

  

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59. "Why not?"
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Weirdo-dude with the vendetta notwithstanding, the Lakeshow right today has a better roster to compete in the future than SA. The majority of the Spurs main contributors are old, older, and old as fuck. Pop and Buford will need to work some serious magic to make that squad a viable option for a Kawhi-level player to commit to for the prime of his career.

(I'm a Huge admirer of Kawhi and the Spurs, for the record, would love to see them work it out)

  

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53. "got to hold out until its found out what's really happening"
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you got a guy who has never been a problem..

with a coach and an organization that their players never have a problem with them...


not sure why or what is going on with him..

  

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"He's being a horrible teammate. If he can play, he should."


  

          

If he can't, he should make that known if to anybody to his teammates. Including letting them know why he can't play.

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58. "He's being a horrible teammate. If he can play, he should."
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If he can't, he should make that known if to anybody to his teammates. Including letting them know why he can't play.

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60. "Boogie picks up Kawhi on private jet for Coachella trip (link)"
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23204802/demarcus-cousins-controversial-flight-not-coachella

This fool...right on time

Boogie's not with his team either, as they compete in a 1st round playoff matchup

Who knew his behavior would end up being the model team mate and franchise player?

<shrug>

Boogie won...thanks Kawhi.

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61. "They really try anything to ruin Boogie's good name. "
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62. "Outfit looks like a collage of original Nintendo effects "
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Do you really have to try though?

Article has coach saying he wasn't at game 1 because he isn't cleared to fly yet...

...oops....

Never thought I'd be comparing him to Kawhi as a team mate.

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64. "Call Boogie a bad teammate now."
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66. "Is Boogie a better teammate than Kawhi?"
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23248488/anthony-davis-prediction-standing-ovation-new-orleans-demarcus-cousins-comes-true

At least dude shows up

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63. "there appears to be a LOT of spin on this story (reddit swipe)"
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8cnbqn/the_kawhi_situation_for_dummies/

  

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