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hip bopper
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"The most dominating sports figure of all time is???"


          

It’s a toss up between Tiger and Floyd. I have Bobby Fischer a close second, and Russell third.

Dominating means exactly what it is. They dominated... they won and there was nothing that no one was able to do about it. They made the competition feel inferior. You know when Tiger was showing up for a tournament that he was striking fear in everyone else. When you fought Floyd you know that you weren’t going to land too many significant shots... on top of that you know that he was going to land what he wanted wherever he wanted.

  

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Phelps and Bolt should be mentioned
Apr 13th 2018
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RE: Phelps and Bolt should be mentioned
Apr 13th 2018
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Serena is up there.
Apr 13th 2018
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Yes she is right behind them.
Apr 13th 2018
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Edwin Moses
Apr 13th 2018
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RE: Edwin Moses
Apr 13th 2018
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him and Aleksandr Karelin
Apr 13th 2018
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      i went as Karelin for Halloween one year
Apr 13th 2018
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      Yeah, I came here to say Karelin
Apr 13th 2018
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      I did too
Apr 14th 2018
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They call him MJ.
Apr 13th 2018
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right.
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Uh no
Apr 13th 2018
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      Ok, did MJ slap you or something?
Apr 13th 2018
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           Here we go with the bs, but I’ll try and help you if possible
Apr 13th 2018
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           RE: Here we go with the bs...And there competition was greater
Apr 13th 2018
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           RE: Here we go with the bs...And there competition was greater
Apr 13th 2018
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           Again, you aren't getting it
Apr 13th 2018
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                RE: Again, you aren't getting it
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                     You sound utterly ridiculous in here bro
Apr 13th 2018
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                          And how do you sound mofo?
Apr 14th 2018
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                               What?
Apr 14th 2018
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           come on fam, you know a troll when you see one
Apr 15th 2018
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It's Tiger in his prime.
Apr 13th 2018
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They did change bball to try and stop Wilt
Apr 13th 2018
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Wilt was the only other athlete that they changed the game for.
Apr 13th 2018
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yup. he basically mind fucked a whole era of golfers
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For MMA, Anderson Silva and Jon Jones in their respective primes.
Apr 13th 2018
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What about GSP for MMA?
Apr 13th 2018
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His Greg Jackson style of fighting 'safe'
Apr 13th 2018
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that jon jones run of hall of famers and former champions
Apr 14th 2018
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its MJ imo
Apr 13th 2018
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Definitely not Floyd. Usain, Phelps, Jim Brown
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Most definitely Floyd
Apr 14th 2018
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Wilt, Babe Ruth, Bonds, Federer, Serena, Brown, 99, 66, Orr
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I feel lime Sampras warrants tennis inclusion
Apr 15th 2018
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Overall winning probably MJ. Personal achievements - Gretzky and Wilt
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Michael Schumacher is probably my favorite of my lifetime.
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1. "Phelps and Bolt should be mentioned"
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5. "RE: Phelps and Bolt should be mentioned"
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Yes Phelps and Bolt are possibly beneath Serena if were to go a bit deeper with the list.

There is no denying how dominating Phelps and Bolt were.

  

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2. "Serena is up there."
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hip bopper
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6. "Yes she is right behind them."
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Would you rank her above Lance?

  

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3. "Edwin Moses"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Moses

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9. "RE: Edwin Moses"
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Excellent name to throw in the mix.

  

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13. "him and Aleksandr Karelin"
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that's it, that's the list.

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20. "Yeah, I came here to say Karelin"
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Damn shame he's become a stooge for Putin. But not really suprising.

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34. "I did too"
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I agree about Moses as well

  

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4. "They call him MJ."
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8. "right."
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11. "Uh no"
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MJ impact was short lived. He never beat Bird and only beat one all time great team. Mike never won without Pippen nor Phil. He only way Jordan impacted the game was that if you breathed on MJ then it was a foul.

  

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15. "Ok, did MJ slap you or something?"
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>MJ impact was short lived. He never beat Bird and only beat
>one all time great team. Mike never won without Pippen nor
>Phil. He only way Jordan impacted the game was that if you
>breathed on MJ then it was a foul.

^^^This is just lunacy. Let me show you how disingenuous your post is if you use these asinine things to disqualify Jordan:

Tiger fell waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off after the stuff with his wife and the injuries. And he's still playing.

Floyd dodged a lot of the better fighters of his generation during their prime and cherry picked wack fights to finish his career.

Russell played in the infancy of the league, probably didn't play against the best players in the world considering bigotry wouldn't allow for a league with the demographic makeup it has now and played for a Celtics team that just stack talent so he never had to fully carry a team.

Jordan dropped 63 on Bird's Celtics, in the playoffs, in Boston, after missing 80% of the season with a broken ankle and Bird called him "God" at 23 yrs of age. And it was Bird he said the league was Jordan's after his first ring. Bird knew...saw it early and late. Bird knew if Jordan existed in the NBA in 1979 and went to a team like LA instead of Chicago, the 80's might have been a looooooooooooot different.

Bird? lmao

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18. "Here we go with the bs, but I’ll try and help you if possible"
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>^^^This is just lunacy. Let me show you how disingenuous your
>post is if you use these asinine things to disqualify Jordan:
>
>Tiger fell waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off after the
>stuff with his wife and the injuries. And he's still playing.
>
Jordan never dominated like Tiger. They weren’t changing the game for Jordan like they did Tiger. They tried to “Tiger proof” Augusta National. Tiger was dominate for a longer period of time than MJ.

>
>Floyd dodged a lot of the better fighters of his generation
>during their prime and cherry picked wack fights to finish his
>career.
>

You do know that Floyd fought at least 20 world champions correct? You do know that he dominated the sports for 20+ years correct? The fighters that you say that he “dodged” he had called those same fighters out and they didn’t want to fight him. He wanted Shane when he was at 135 and Floyd was at 130. He wanted Oscar when he was 154 and Floyd was at 135. He beat everyone that he could beat including Canelo. The only fighter that he didn’t fight that he should’ve was Hamed, and he would’ve beat that ass too.


>Russell played in the infancy of the league, probably didn't
>play against the best players in the world considering bigotry
>wouldn't allow for a league with the demographic makeup it has
>now and played for a Celtics team that just stack talent so he
>never had to fully carry a team.
>

He played against Wilt year in and year out. What in the hell are you talking about? He carried them every year and even won as a player/coach. Wilt was the best individual talent during that span and also in the entire history of the league. It funny how everyone wants to discredit Bill Russell. I don’t care how you try and spin it, but 11 championships period was an amazing feat.


>Jordan dropped 63 on Bird's Celtics, in the playoffs, in
>Boston, after missing 80% of the season with a broken ankle
>and Bird called him "God" at 23 yrs of age. And it was Bird
>he said the league was Jordan's after his first ring. Bird
>knew...saw it early and late. Bird knew if Jordan existed in
>the NBA in 1979 and went to a team like LA instead of Chicago,
>the 80's might have been a looooooooooooot different.
>
>Bird? lmao

And MJ still lost that series. What I stated about MJ were facts. People can’t seems to admit the truth when it comes to MJ. He never won without Pippen or Phil.

Please get out of your mind that MJ was more dominate than Tiger, Floyd, or Russell. He didn’t do it for a longer period of time then them. And there competition was greater than what MJ had to face.

  

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22. "RE: Here we go with the bs...And there competition was greater"
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than what MJ had to face

This BS is only recently become popular amongst the anti-MJ GOAT contingent

Tiger got the 97' masters

then slumped in 03'-04', where he didn't win jack

and lost the top spot to Vijay Singh

who was his comp...phil mickelson and sergio...?

and Russel was playing in a still predominantly segregated league BTW

saying Jordan didn't play against anybody

and then saying Russ played against Wilt = 1 guy

FOH

shame you started this post when your opinion on the matter is worthless.

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25. "RE: Here we go with the bs...And there competition was greater"
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>than what MJ had to face
>
>This BS is only recently become popular amongst the anti-MJ
>GOAT contingent
>
>Tiger got the 97' masters
>
>then slumped in 03'-04', where he didn't win jack
>
>and lost the top spot to Vijay Singh
>
>who was his comp...phil mickelson and sergio...?
>
>and Russel was playing in a still predominantly segregated
>league BTW
>
>saying Jordan didn't play against anybody
>
>and then saying Russ played against Wilt = 1 guy
>
>FOH
>
>shame you started this post when your opinion on the matter is
>worthless.

The more you try to discredit Tiger the dumber you sound. He was the #1 golfer in less than a year of turning pro. 11 times he was the Tour POTY. 10 times he was the leading money earner. He also won 3 amateur titles. His competition was far better than Nicklaus had when he was playing.

Russell was the reason that they won period. Wilt was better than anyone MJ had faced when he won his titles. Plus he had beaten the Lakers teams that had West and Baylor and eventually Wilt.

Shame that you really don’t know shit when you attempt to counter with that BS of yours.

  

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23. "Again, you aren't getting it"
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I'm not disagreeing with the greatness of the players listed. I'm pointing out your reasoning for disqualifying Jordan is biased at best dumb at worst.

Russell never won without 4 other HOF's on his team. He was easily one of the top 3 largest guys in that era (when the avg C was like 6'8").

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1957.html
^^^Look at those damn rosters dude. It's only 8 so won't take long.
Hell, Wilt was the only 7 footer for a while.

Floyd fought Pac, Cotto about 4 yrs later than it would have made competitive sense. Could have also picked better fights than Berto and Maidana.

Tiger has been pro for 22 yrs and he hasn't been dominant since 2009, which was 9 yrs ago. Do the math there.

^^^My point in all of this is, none of these men had perfect careers (well Floyd so his is the most arguable) and there are reasons to demerit all of their domination to an extent but to say who Jordan's coach was or teammates were or who he didn't beat with a lesser team determines his greatness (when he destroyed all comers individually and dominated the league only second to Russell's C's when he DID get enough talent around him...all while being a guard at that) is just a biased (or stupid) disqualifier.

If you want to disqualify Jordan from this list...pick better reasons.

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26. "RE: Again, you aren't getting it"
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>I'm not disagreeing with the greatness of the players listed.
>I'm pointing out your reasoning for disqualifying Jordan is
>biased at best dumb at worst.
>

Not biased I am just stating fact. Jordan’s rise to greatness only lasted for a short period.

>Russell never won without 4 other HOF's on his team. He was
>easily one of the top 3 largest guys in that era (when the avg
>C was like 6'8").
>
>https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1957.html
>^^^Look at those damn rosters dude. It's only 8 so won't take
>long.
>Hell, Wilt was the only 7 footer for a while.
>

Russell was the reason why they were winning though. Teams have had multiple HOF’s, but no teams did what the Celtics have done in the entire history of the NBA. Less teams with a lot less players that don’t belong in the NBA like today. It wasn’t that Wilt was a 7 footer. Wilt was the most imposing player of that time.


>Floyd fought Pac, Cotto about 4 yrs later than it would have
>made competitive sense. Could have also picked better fights
>than Berto and Maidana.
>

Honestly it didn’t matter when Floyd would’ve fought them and you know that but just won’t say it. You know that a younger Floyd would have made those fights worse. Berto and Maidana were still former world champions. Beating Canelo when Floyd was past his prime was better than beating Pac or Cotto.


>Tiger has been pro for 22 yrs and he hasn't been dominant
>since 2009, which was 9 yrs ago. Do the math there.
>

Okay let’s do the math shall we. You are actually inaccurate regarding Tiger. He was PGA Tour POTY in 2013 and the leading money earner that year as well. He has missed a few years due to back injury. So it’s actually been 5 years and not 9 since Tiger has been at the top of the golf world. Even though Tiger is not where he used to be (and I believe that he has a couple of major victories left in the tank), he still generates a buzz that can’t be explained. Based off of rep alone there were people that thought that Tiger was going to win The Masters. He still has an impact on the game 20 years later.

  

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28. "You sound utterly ridiculous in here bro"
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31. "And how do you sound mofo?"
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37. "come on fam, you know a troll when you see one"
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>>MJ impact was short lived. He never beat Bird and only
>beat
>>one all time great team. Mike never won without Pippen nor
>>Phil. He only way Jordan impacted the game was that if you
>>breathed on MJ then it was a foul.
>
>^^^This is just lunacy. Let me show you how disingenuous your
>post is if you use these asinine things to disqualify Jordan:
>
>Tiger fell waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off after the
>stuff with his wife and the injuries. And he's still playing.
>
>
>Floyd dodged a lot of the better fighters of his generation
>during their prime and cherry picked wack fights to finish his
>career.
>
>Russell played in the infancy of the league, probably didn't
>play against the best players in the world considering bigotry
>wouldn't allow for a league with the demographic makeup it has
>now and played for a Celtics team that just stack talent so he
>never had to fully carry a team.
>
>Jordan dropped 63 on Bird's Celtics, in the playoffs, in
>Boston, after missing 80% of the season with a broken ankle
>and Bird called him "God" at 23 yrs of age. And it was Bird
>he said the league was Jordan's after his first ring. Bird
>knew...saw it early and late. Bird knew if Jordan existed in
>the NBA in 1979 and went to a team like LA instead of Chicago,
>the 80's might have been a looooooooooooot different.
>
>Bird? lmao


when he said "short lived" and only impact being how easily fouls were called on his defenders, you shoulda known well reasoned arguments had no place.


  

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7. "It's Tiger in his prime. "
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Think about it: They essentially tried to change the game of golf by Tiger-proofing courses. Longer tee shots and fairways just to combat the effect ONE guy was having on the game.

Nobody tried to change the bball court to stop Jordan. Tiger shook golf to its essence.

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10. "They did change bball to try and stop Wilt"
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12. "Wilt was the only other athlete that they changed the game for."
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Wilt’s changes were a result of him being a dominant scorer. Tiger’s changes were to prevent him from winning.

  

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16. "yup. he basically mind fucked a whole era of golfers"
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One of the reasons why he won't catch these young dudes is they don't have the PTSD of playing against prime Tiger

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17. "For MMA, Anderson Silva and Jon Jones in their respective primes."
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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19. "What about GSP for MMA?"
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21. "His Greg Jackson style of fighting 'safe'"
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bothered me in the latter stages of his career, but I could see why folks vouch for him.

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33. "that jon jones run of hall of famers and former champions"
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was something to behold.

the stacked lhw division at that time might be the best in history.

i dont think anyone will ever compile a resume like that in such a short period of time.

and he barely broke a sweat doing it.

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24. "its MJ imo"
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simply for the fact that the 2nd best player to him was LIGHT YEARS away, he was peerless in his prime.

  

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27. "Definitely not Floyd. Usain, Phelps, Jim Brown"
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Edwin Moses....Jonah Lomu (Rugby)...

Carl Lewis in the Long Jump (before he gave that up to concentrate on sprinting)

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32. "Most definitely Floyd"
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29. "Wilt, Babe Ruth, Bonds, Federer, Serena, Brown, 99, 66, Orr"
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Lendl, Borg, McEnroe, I dunno, some tennis expert can chime in, that was before my time. I can't speak too much to Tiger or Jack either because golf bores me to death.

I think in a team sport you still look at individual dominance. Were the TEAMS of Ruth or Bonds or Wilt or Brown unbeatable? No. Were they unstoppable? Yes. 99 obviously thought the game at another level, Mario had more physical talent and much of the smarts and Orr just did it all at all times when he was healthy.

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38. "I feel lime Sampras warrants tennis inclusion"
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Seles would have if not for that knife attack, probably.

Also, both fit the star players I hated to watch category too.

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30. "Overall winning probably MJ. Personal achievements - Gretzky and Wilt"
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35. "Michael Schumacher is probably my favorite of my lifetime."
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had an awkward start to his career, winning his first F-1 championship when Ayrton Senna died. repeated as champ the next year and everyone saying his success was all due to his team at Benetton.

he left Benetton to join Ferrari, a team who had fallen from grace and hadn't won anything in twenty years. improved them instantly, then later went on to win five straight championships.

his run from 2000-2004 was the most dominant racing in F-1 history. in 2001 he won nine races, a record. in 2002 he clinched the championship with six races left in the season, broke his own record with 11 victories, and finished on the podium in *every* race. in 2003, he came from behind to win the championship in the final race. in 2004, he won the first 11 races of the season, and broke his own record (again) with 13 total victories.

records:

- F-1 championships (7)
- consecutive championships (5)
- points in one season
- margin of victory in one season
- number of different grand prix won (22)
- consecutive podium finishes (19)
- consecutive top-two finishes (15)
- career wins
- career laps led
- career fastest laps
- career podiums
- career victories
- career 2nd places
- career hat tricks (pole, race, fastest lap)

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