https://nypost.com/2018/02/25/transgender-boy-wins-girls-state-wrestling-title-for-second-time/

Transgender boy wins girls’ state wrestling title for second time
By Associated Press February 25, 2018 | 1:44am

CYPRESS, Texas — For the second year in a row, a transgender wrestler has won the Texas girls’ Class 6A 110-pound division.

Mack Beggs, an 18-year-old senior from Euless Trinity High School near Dallas, entered the tournament in Cypress outside of Houston with an undefeated record. He beat Chelsea Sanchez — who he beat for the title in 2017 — in the final match Saturday.

Beggs is in the process of transitioning from female to male and taking a low-dose of testosterone.

It was his steroid therapy treatments while wrestling girls that stirred a fierce debate about competitive fairness and transgender rights last season. It’s been a lot quieter since last year when his march to a state championship was dogged by a last-minute lawsuit that tried to stop him.

Beggs had asked to wrestle in the boys’ division, but the rules for Texas public high schools require athletes to compete under the gender on their birth certificate.

Beggs entered the state tournament with a 32-0 record, beating three female wrestlers on his way to the championship.

“He has so much respect for all the girls he wrestles,” said Beggs’ mother, Angela McNew. “People think Mack has been beating up on girls … The girls he wrestles with, they are tough. It has more to do with skill and discipline than strength.”

McNew would not make Beggs available for interviews ahead of the state meet. The solitude allowed him to concentrate on the task ahead and perhaps shield him from attacks on social media and occasional insults from the stands — or even other wrestling mats — during meets.

Beggs’ road to the championship last season included two forfeits in the regional tournament by wrestlers who feared injury. Beggs faced only one forfeit this season. The opposing coach and teammates had insisted the girl wrestle Beggs, but she refused, McNew said.

Beggs’ family has repeatedly said he wants to wrestle boys. The birth certificate rule was approved in 2016 by the University Interscholastic League, the governing body for Texas high school sports. It was done to help schools determine competition, said Jamie Harrison, the UIL’s deputy director.

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you mad?

kuz some shit.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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enough to keep it

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

and in people's casual conversations

have all the local hot takes confusing as fuck. i can't even tell from social media who thinks want because I can tell many of them don't understand the situation.

that should tell us how asinine Texas' policies are.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

by a person with a mustache named Mack

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LIKE HE WANTS.
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Shitty transphobic laws are the reason he can't compete where he wants. Boo your legislators, not the kid.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

boys wrestling
girls wrestling
transgender wrestling

Olympics, World Cup, Final Four, all that shit

how is this legal?

crazy..

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

>Beggs had asked to wrestle in the boys’ division, but the
>rules for Texas public high schools require athletes to
>compete under the gender on their birth certificate.

i thought dude was just beating up on girls for easier competition. but he is pretty much being forced to (aside from just quitting wrestling).

still kinda weird to be able to compete while on exogenous testosterone tho. dude got that old ufc trt exemption shit going.

Chances are that most of the people boo'ing this person are anti-LGBT rights so this probably just give them incentive to mask their prejudice.

People should consider this: do you really think a person would turn trans just to compete in wrestling? Highly unlikely. Also - when a person goes through gender transformation they do alter their biological makeup and often stop producing many of the hormones within the body that designate "male" or "female" characteristics.

A person interested in wrestling as a boy should still be able to pursue it as a girl. I do see why some see it as somewhat of an unfair advantage - but it's a new world. What are we going to have - a trans league of athletics? They should be integrated into sports and I'm glad they have the opportunity to compete.

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regardless of gender?

I didn't follow this closely enough to where I saw that this person was on 'roids. Was this confirmed?

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thats fine for general gender transformation. but thats an obvious performance enhancer for athletics.

first, that's hugely presumptuous to assume most people there are anti-trans. Maybe they're pro-fairness?

Not really the kid's fault, it's the state's fault. But a high-school-aged dude at that weight is *far* stronger than a high-school-aged female at that weight = not safe and not fair. This dude is literally being allowed to take PEDs and compete at an amateur level against females.

He should wrestle dudes. It's that simple.

>first, that's hugely presumptuous to assume most people there
>are anti-trans. Maybe they're pro-fairness?

it is presumptuous but I would be interested in polling them to see if they were pro LGBT rights/equality. What fairness/equality that looks like in the realm of sports & trans-athletes does need to be addressed - because as I stated I do see a legitimate concern with regards to fairness. However, to me that doesn't mean you just carte-blanche ban trans-athletes from competing. We should be working to integrate trans athletes into sports leagues.

>Not really the kid's fault, it's the state's fault. But a
>high-school-aged dude at that weight is *far* stronger than a
>high-school-aged female at that weight = not safe and not
>fair. This dude is literally being allowed to take PEDs and
>compete at an amateur level against females.

Yea - if this athlete is allowed to take PEDs then that's absurd. Regardless of whether a person wants to undergo the trans-gender therapy/medication - they are assuming the risk of being ineligible of competing *if* they have banned substances present in them while competing.


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Dude is on roids. That’s a huge advantage whether wrestling boys or girls.

IMO it’s unfortunate but I think you have to tap out of sports if you take roids in HS.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Failure on the athletic commission and state's sport to not enforce the anti-banned substance provision.

My point was more targeted towards the general inclusion of trans-athletes within sports -- but in this situation I agree with not allowing *any* athlete to compete while knowing they have a banned substance coursing through their body.

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but wrestling is all about strength and quickness and all that testosterone gives him a huge advantage.

I would be furious if my daughter reached the finals 2 years in a row and lost to this guy.

I guess it’s a “welcome to the real world” momennt for the girl who lost but damn.

I’m not anti but I feel like if you are transitioning you have to take this into consideration. I feel bad either way tho because if Texas let’s him wrestle against boys and he gets broke in half then it’s a bad look. Ionno.

I would probably have to put my transition on hold or just not wrestle beucause why would I want to fight girls now that I’m a dude?

What happened with the dude who transitioned to a woman and used to beat up other women in UFC or MMA? I always thought that was weird as shit. You became a woman to whoop their ass?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

he wanted to wrestle dudes, they said 'no you have to wrestle girls'. So dude went out and went undefeated for 2 years.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

>he wanted to wrestle dudes, they said 'no you have to wrestle
>girls'. So dude went out and went undefeated for 2 years.

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shit like this is why we have school shootings, people are scared to tell kids no. Its all part of that participation trophy culture. Then when they get older and they don't get their way all the time in the real world they snap.

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When I was coming up if a girl wanted to wrestle she had to wrestle dudes because there was no girls wrestling. Texas just going the extra mile to start shit right now.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

disqualifier either way.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
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Roids or no roids. This is only a story cuz he’s out there rolling up high school girls.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

like i said, dude would have been average, and no one would give a shit if they'd just have let him wrestle against boys.

Also - related to roids, there are a bunch of dudes on roids in high school, because there is no testing in most high school sports.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

ALSO do people not realize… A biological teen girl with testosterone boosting drugs in her bloodstream is basically the same things as a regular teenage boy

Should obviously be wrestling the boys and there would be no issue

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http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/

>ALSO do people not realize… A biological teen girl with
>testosterone boosting drugs in her bloodstream is basically
>the same things as a regular teenage boy

You have no idea what he is taking or how much, you are talking completely out of your ass like normal.

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wouldn’t want to wrestle against women now that they are a man

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

I can’t see how dude is like “welp, let me slam these girls around to show them who is da best”

That shit seems weird.

I feel like anytime a person transitions fighting in a ring or circle should be off limits. That shit doesn’t seem right.

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shit sound like a fox news host.

>shit like this is why we have school shootings, people are
>scared to tell kids no. Its all part of that participation
>trophy culture. Then when they get older and they don't get
>their way all the time in the real world they snap.


Participation trophies are one thing. Which im not even opposed to at all, but can see the argument.

But the people who shoot up schools dont do so because they got participation trophies and then had that kind of recognition taken away

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>shit like this is why we have school shootings, people are
>scared to tell kids no. Its all part of that participation
>trophy culture. Then when they get older and they don't get
>their way all the time in the real world they snap.

Can you expound more upon why we have school shootings?

>>shit like this is why we have school shootings, people are
>>scared to tell kids no. Its all part of that participation
>>trophy culture. Then when they get older and they don't get
>>their way all the time in the real world they snap.
>
>Can you expound more upon why we have school shootings?

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this is like the opposite of that

“you’re a psychopath but you can still have an AR-15 just lock it up in you room for safekeeping!”

“It’s ok Mack you can take steroids in high school and become a man if you want to and still rip the heads of little girls since they won’t let you wrestle boys, we’ll show them! Those assholes that are boo’ing you we’ll get them too!”

You don’t think this wrestler kid is going to be majorly fucked up in the head?”

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
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and it's funny because, again, this dude is clearly not an example of any definition of "pussification"

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

wrestling boys.

18 year olds on varisty (insert sport here) are grown ass man playing with little boys now?

c'mon

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
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2 factors that YOU brought into this age and gender.

I'm pointing out the silliness of the age distinction.

That YOU brought into this.

Just stand by your exaggeration and stop being a doofus.

Sheeesh, you're a weirdo.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Is he not a grown man?

Is he not wrestling girls?

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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2644594&mesg_id=2644594&page=#2644908

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

be on steroids, but that’s a whole different issue.

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Otherwise good job, you hit most of the Hot Talking Points.

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uhh...do you all know how many people are "on roids" for medical reasons?

Taking testosterone for this reason under medical supervision is just a touch different than taking it to get swole, ffs. Both in rationale and in amount/method/outcome.

>uhh...do you all know how many people are "on roids" for
>medical reasons?
>
>Taking testosterone for this reason under medical supervision
>is just a touch different than taking it to get swole, ffs.
>Both in rationale and in amount/method/outcome.

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texas allows medical exemptions for steroid use. Which leaves one in the position of arguing whether or not transitioning from female-to-male under the supervision of a doctor is a valid reason for a medical exemption.

Easy fix - let him compete against dudes, and this all disappears and no one gives a shit.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

..the story should've ended.

he shouldn't be allowed to compete in amateur athletics, regardless of gender.

i have no qualms with people and their personal preferences, but the rules governing amateur athletics are clear and steroids are not allowed.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

I don't think in this case that it would have given the athlete any great advantage when wrestling in the boys division, but i can see how you would run into issues when deciding what exceptions you would allow for steroid use. So a transitioning female-to-male athlete obviously needs testosterone to make the transition, but what about teenage male with low testosterone? Is that fair that a male is then allowed to take steroids? Related - i did wrestle on a team with a kid who was hella short, and his parents had him on HGH, which is a PED, to help him grow, and he was allowed to compete. He was still a shitty wrestler, but i guess that's beside the point.

I lean towards just letting this individual compete vs. boys, and calling it a day. dude wasn't winning state in teh boys division, and this probably would have been a non-issue and no one would have cared. Texas being Texas, had to be dicks about it and make it a weird indictment on Trans people by making him wrestle girls, though.

*edit* it is important to note that steroid use is allowed for high school athletes in Texas, otherwise they wouldn't have allowed him to compete. They allow athletes to compete when taking steroids for a valid medical reason, under the supervision of a licensed physician.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

can’t legally drink a beer but can take gender-altering drugs. And apparently he started this in 2015.

I have no problem with people being whoever they want to be but should these decisions be made at 15-16 years old?

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>can’t legally drink a beer but can take gender-altering
>drugs. And apparently he started this in 2015.

Children take all kinda of medications and "drugs" at many different ages, administered by trained professionals and with parental consent.

What this has to do with recreational drug use is anyone's guess.

>
>I have no problem with people being whoever they want to be
>but should these decisions be made at 15-16 years old?


This is a question for the parents and doctors involved. I suspect you don't know anything about the subject that they do not.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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but i'm guessing between this guy, his family, and their physician they've researched it more than i have. Also, Texas has deemed it as valid medical use.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

>>can’t legally drink a beer but can take gender-altering
>>drugs. And apparently he started this in 2015.
>
>Children take all kinda of medications and "drugs" at many
>different ages, administered by trained professionals and with
>parental consent.
>
>What this has to do with recreational drug use is anyone's
>guess.
>
>>
>>I have no problem with people being whoever they want to be
>>but should these decisions be made at 15-16 years old?
>
>
>This is a question for the parents and doctors involved. I
>suspect you don't know anything about the subject that they do
>not.

I never said I knew more than doctors I just asked the question.

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You didn't ask a question, you said your mind was "boggled" by the fact that teenagers take powerful medications but cannot drink beer.

I pointed out how there was nothing that odd about it in today's society at all. Or yesterday's for that matter. Lots of kids are sitting in class with steroid inhalers. The real issue for you in the the reason this child is taking medication, because you have some issue with transgendered people.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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>You didn't ask a question, you said your mind was "boggled"
>by the fact that teenagers take powerful medications but
>cannot drink beer.
>
>I pointed out how there was nothing that odd about it in
>today's society at all. Or yesterday's for that matter. Lots
>of kids are sitting in class with steroid inhalers. The real
>issue for you in the the reason this child is taking
>medication, because you have some issue with transgendered
>people.

>>I have no problem with people being whoever they want to be
>>but should these decisions be made at 15-16 years old?

In the English language a "?" at the end of a sentence denotes a question.

I have an issue with transgendered men on steroids wrestling girls.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

..and personal preference.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

alive and well.

Do people not realize that a biological female on a low dose of testosterone is "on steroids" to the same extent that a teenage boy is. Obviously an issue if they are going to wrestle girls, but should hardly be a problem for them to wrestle boys. Both parties are going to be operating at comparable testosterone levels and honestly, the biological boys will have an advantage if anything.

This is about Texas being too dumb to let this child wrestle with the boys

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>Do people not realize that a biological female on a low dose
>of testosterone is "on steroids" to the same extent that a
>teenage boy is. Obviously an issue if they are going to
>wrestle girls, but should hardly be a problem for them to
>wrestle boys. Both parties are going to be operating at
>comparable testosterone levels and honestly, the biological
>boys will have an advantage if anything.
>
>This is about Texas being too dumb to let this child wrestle
>with the boys

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

the dosages that athletes typically take for performance-enhancing purposes are on the order of tens/hundreds of times greater than what's prescribed in transgender hormone therapy.

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>>Do people not realize that a biological female on a low
>dose
>>of testosterone is "on steroids" to the same extent that a
>>teenage boy is. Obviously an issue if they are going to
>>wrestle girls, but should hardly be a problem for them to
>>wrestle boys. Both parties are going to be operating at
>>comparable testosterone levels and honestly, the biological
>>boys will have an advantage if anything.
>>
>>This is about Texas being too dumb to let this child wrestle
>>with the boys
>

Of course people know this LOL you think he just gets the meds out of someone's trunk??

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/

>>>Do people not realize that a biological female on a low
>>dose
>>>of testosterone is "on steroids" to the same extent that a
>>>teenage boy is. Obviously an issue if they are going to
>>>wrestle girls, but should hardly be a problem for them to
>>>wrestle boys. Both parties are going to be operating at
>>>comparable testosterone levels and honestly, the biological
>>>boys will have an advantage if anything.
>>>
>>>This is about Texas being too dumb to let this child
>wrestle
>>>with the boys
>>
>
>Of course people know this LOL you think he just gets the meds
>out of someone's trunk??


You do? What is he taking? How many milligrams?

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>>>>Do people not realize that a biological female on a low
>>>dose
>>>>of testosterone is "on steroids" to the same extent that a
>>>>teenage boy is. Obviously an issue if they are going to
>>>>wrestle girls, but should hardly be a problem for them to
>>>>wrestle boys. Both parties are going to be operating at
>>>>comparable testosterone levels and honestly, the
>biological
>>>>boys will have an advantage if anything.
>>>>
>>>>This is about Texas being too dumb to let this child
>>wrestle
>>>>with the boys
>>>
>>
>>Of course people know this LOL you think he just gets the
>meds
>>out of someone's trunk??
>
>
>You do?

No, but it's common knowledge. You could educate yourself or keep acting dumb. All the same to me.

The funny part is how desperately you pretend it isn't about what it is about.


You remind me of the type of right-winger who always wants to talk about "violence in gun-free Chicago" and "black male crime rates" but is incredulous when you suggest they are motivated by racism.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/

>>>>>Do people not realize that a biological female on a low
>>>>dose
>>>>>of testosterone is "on steroids" to the same extent that
>a
>>>>>teenage boy is. Obviously an issue if they are going to
>>>>>wrestle girls, but should hardly be a problem for them to
>>>>>wrestle boys. Both parties are going to be operating at
>>>>>comparable testosterone levels and honestly, the
>>biological
>>>>>boys will have an advantage if anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is about Texas being too dumb to let this child
>>>wrestle
>>>>>with the boys
>>>>
>>>
>>>Of course people know this LOL you think he just gets the
>>meds
>>>out of someone's trunk??
>>
>>
>>You do?
>
>No, but it's common knowledge. You could educate yourself or
>keep acting dumb. All the same to me.


I want you to tell me specifically because apparently you're his doctor.