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"is LeBron James a SHOOK ONE??"
Thu Feb-22-18 01:06 PM by melmag

  

          

Apparently he's resigned to the fact that his rings now are EC championships


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"LBJ doesn't want to re-seed the playoffs because he knows all his success has come from a weaker conference & he wants to take advantage of that. He talks about TEAMS being dominant b/c the convo was about dominant conferences. He won't admit that he loves the weaker conference"

  

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I mean...
Feb 22nd 2018
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so lebron is scared because he disagrees with a radical reshaping
Feb 22nd 2018
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y'all really need help.
Feb 22nd 2018
3
Help and a hug.
Feb 22nd 2018
4
After a poster made two anti-Bron posts within six minutes last night...
Feb 22nd 2018
17
both can be true
Feb 22nd 2018
21
well there's been so many games to talk about...
Feb 22nd 2018
24
basics. Himalayan salty.
Feb 23rd 2018
44
It’s quite entertaining.
Feb 22nd 2018
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not as much as bron needs.
Feb 23rd 2018
32
      oh my...
Mar 07th 2018
48
all that being shook notwithstanding
Feb 22nd 2018
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given what I said below though, also this.
Feb 22nd 2018
8
the nba listens to the money.
Feb 22nd 2018
11
neutral sites in the NBA? lol, no. as for NCAA-style seeding, well ...
Feb 23rd 2018
42
I like tradition, honestly.
Feb 22nd 2018
6
If they drop the games then the players gonna have to live with making l...
Feb 22nd 2018
7
      were the warriors shook af when they signed durant
Feb 22nd 2018
9
this isn't even the right year to make that argument
Feb 22nd 2018
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lol no...there's 2 contenders in the west
Feb 22nd 2018
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      yeah, they look better than the 3 teams in the East
Feb 22nd 2018
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           I'm not arguing either way about shaking it up.I was just replying to
Feb 22nd 2018
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Durant could have, you know, not been shook
Feb 22nd 2018
15
truuuuue
Feb 22nd 2018
16
What need does reseeding in the NBA address?
Feb 22nd 2018
18
short answer: yes.
Feb 22nd 2018
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Weird...I heard somewhere he's headed to the LAL in FA...?
Feb 22nd 2018
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oh so everybody wants to be a traditionalist now huh? *rolls eyes*
Feb 22nd 2018
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lol, what does it really matter what they do with the all-star game?
Feb 22nd 2018
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Changing league structure or number of games played
Feb 22nd 2018
30
      right and lot of people here have talked about shortening the season...
Feb 23rd 2018
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So, if they made it 1-6, no conferences...that means teams won't play
Feb 22nd 2018
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Right, it wouldn't really *solve* any problems.
Feb 22nd 2018
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they would def have to redistribute the games in the regular season
Feb 22nd 2018
28
boy yo avi tho
Feb 22nd 2018
29
Wouldn't EVERYONE be against this though?
Feb 22nd 2018
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they should be
Feb 23rd 2018
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people have suggested it before, don't they do the same in soccer?
Feb 23rd 2018
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      yes it pops up on and off the board every few years
Feb 23rd 2018
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           right people switch up when Bron is involved lol...
Feb 23rd 2018
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                lolz
Feb 23rd 2018
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reseeding is a terrible idea
Feb 23rd 2018
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heat blazers round 1!
Feb 23rd 2018
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No, not at all. This reseeding is a bad idea.
Feb 23rd 2018
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lol whut? Jordania agenda or just dumb? I can't call it.
Feb 23rd 2018
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east-west format is sabotaging the nba playoffs.
Mar 07th 2018
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Dope article. Thanks for posting.
Mar 07th 2018
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hmm..interesting idea...never heard that one.
Mar 07th 2018
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... is this the goal of the playoffs tho?
Mar 07th 2018
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So it's harder to win rings playing in the West huh
Mar 07th 2018
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1. "I mean..."
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His rings are against the baby Durant/Westbrook/Harden Thunder, an amazingly good Spurs team, and the best regular season team of all time coming back from a 1-3 deficit. I think they're somewhat legitimate.

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2. "so lebron is scared because he disagrees with a radical reshaping"
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of the entire nba postseason format and gave a diligent defense of his stance based on an accurate historical frame of reference and proper context?

did i get this take right?

  

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3. "y'all really need help. "
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17. "After a poster made two anti-Bron posts within six minutes last night..."
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... I'd hoped that maybe people would've seen how ridiculous/obsessed he looked and rowed back on the silly Bron criticism for a while. Guess instead it may have just opened the floodgates for more silliness.

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21. "both can be true"
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like the poster can be obsessed and bron can be shook.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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24. "well there's been so many games to talk about..."
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fuckoff assclown

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19. "It’s quite entertaining."
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32. "not as much as bron needs."
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5. "all that being shook notwithstanding"
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I like the seeding idea

an nba "april-may" march madness tournament for the nba?

that would be fantastic

the travel issue? just have each round in a set location (just like the rounds int he NCAAs)..based on seeding to provide greater incentive to not scrub-out during the regular season

its doable

and it would be dope

i can't see a real reason NOT to

  

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8. "given what I said below though, also this."
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I'd love to see 6-10 duke it out in the waning months of the season when fols are usually competing for draft picks rather than playoff seeding.

Keep 82 games, Keep 30 teams, let the talent in the league grow, let all the teams become better, seek the "parity" of the NFL, lengthen the season and play this damn March Madness-like tournament right before the playoffs and then drag the hell out of those playoffs.

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11. "the nba listens to the money."
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itll prolly happen cuz tv rights partners who pay a shitload of dough are tired of airing low ratings/interest eastern conf series during the playoffs.














  

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42. "neutral sites in the NBA? lol, no. as for NCAA-style seeding, well ..."
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it is an idea that makes some sense at certain moments and none at all at others. too radical of a change for me. it made more sense maybe in the early 2000s when the east didn't seem to have even a puncher's chance in the finals but it isn't like they haven't won since then (detroit, boston, cleveland, miami three times, that's six out of the last 14 seasons, practically half).

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6. "I like tradition, honestly."
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Everytime I hear Lowe or Simmons advocate for a ... what, 75 game season? ... I just think...I really wouldn't be mad if the NBA season were a month longer...

(In other words, stay 82 games, but start in September and end in July) (just 'cause for example if you try to Google the season for a given FIFA/European football/Premier/whatever season, you really have to specialize to get a discreet answer, so just make basketball year round and let's get on with it)

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7. "If they drop the games then the players gonna have to live with making l..."
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And they damn sure don't want that.

Also yes Bron shook af lol

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9. "were the warriors shook af when they signed durant"
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to an already stacked best team in the nba just to be able to beat bron in the finals?

are we applying the same standard to everybody?

genuinely curious.

cuz teams around the league have been tooling up specifically to beat lebron for about a decade yet somehow hes the one running scared now lol.

  

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10. "this isn't even the right year to make that argument"
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there's 2 real contenders in the West and 3 in the East

  

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12. "lol no...there's 2 contenders in the west"
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and 3 good teams in the east that would struggle to beat them in the finals

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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13. "yeah, they look better than the 3 teams in the East"
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>and 3 good teams in the east that would struggle to beat them
>in the finals

Is that a reason to shake up ALL 30 teams? And what about the rest of the West? I'm supposed to act like the whole conference is world-beaters when we both admit there are 2 legit teams?

  

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14. "I'm not arguing either way about shaking it up.I was just replying to"
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your statement regarding the contenders.

Personally, i like the current setup of the playoffs bc it breeds rivalries and the aspect of getting over the hump and beating the team that has dominated the conf for x amount of years. I understand the argument for change tho.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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15. "Durant could have, you know, not been shook"
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and signed with Boston.

then this whole "weaker conference" nonsense wouldn't hold up

  

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16. "truuuuue"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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18. "What need does reseeding in the NBA address?"
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Feels like people are basing this argument on something that hasn't happened

HOU vs GSW is being propped up as the finals we should get this year

...but who's to say either of those teams make the WCF this year...

is a CLE or BOS matchup vs the WC champ really a huge dropoff in competitiveness

man, if an EC team wins the chip this year, I hope this idea gets buried

IMO, it's just making a change for the sake of making a change

Now, if we eliminated conferences all together

and teams had similar schedules for the entire year

then yeah, do the 16 team seeding

but as it stands, I don't see the need.

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20. "short answer: yes."
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23. "Weird...I heard somewhere he's headed to the LAL in FA...?"
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22. "oh so everybody wants to be a traditionalist now huh? *rolls eyes*"
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27. "lol, what does it really matter what they do with the all-star game?"
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yeah, I take playoff format discussions far more seriously than an exhibition game. there's only one requirement for an all-star game: fun.

  

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30. "Changing league structure or number of games played"
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Is a FAR FAR cry from changing the format of the damn All Star exhibition game.

But for what it's worth, seeding teams 1-16 and playing it out that way would be a hell of a lot more exciting.

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35. "right and lot of people here have talked about shortening the season..."
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and I have been against that too.

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25. "So, if they made it 1-6, no conferences...that means teams won't play"
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the teams in their division four times per season, while only playing the opposite conference just twice....right?

If not....then it kinda defeats the purpose, don't you think?

Because a strong Eastern team gets to play weaker teams 4 times a year, or at least three I think....while a Western team may have to play top teams 4 times a year. So in the end, the records won't reflect true strength to me.

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26. "Right, it wouldn't really *solve* any problems."
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There'll still be better teams under-seeded, there'll still be top seeds that get shit draws due to some matchup thing, whichever conference is weaker will still have skewed records, etc.

Now, if this re-seeding involved seeding the teams *not* based purely on record, but adjusting the metrics to weigh SOS, wins against top-tier opponents, road record, etc? THEN I think we'd have something. But ultimately I don't think the NBA would ever do that. So the whole conversation is kind of moot. They're not really looking to solve the problem, they're just looking to mix up conference matchups. Not the worst idea in principle, I just don't think it'd change the "problems" that exist with the current playoff structure.

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28. "they would def have to redistribute the games in the regular season"
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i assumed that was a given.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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29. "boy yo avi tho"
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31. "Wouldn't EVERYONE be against this though?"
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Considering its a terrible idea?

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33. "they should be"
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because it is.

as mentioned above, it doesn't solve anything to nix conferences and just go off overall records. this also assumes that teams like the Warriors and Rockets (and the problems they pose for competitive playoffs) will be around forever.

also, #1 seeds in conferences have taken huge Ls in the past. there's no reason to change THIS aspect of NBA basketball

  

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34. "people have suggested it before, don't they do the same in soccer?"
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36. "yes it pops up on and off the board every few years"
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It was really loud in 2015 when okc missed the playoffs with 45 wins and the 6-8 seeds in the east had 41 or less.

Most folks on the boards were in favor of change.

how quickly we forget.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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38. "right people switch up when Bron is involved lol..."
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>It was really loud in 2015 when okc missed the playoffs with
>45 wins and the 6-8 seeds in the east had 41 or less.
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>Most folks on the boards were in favor of change.
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>how quickly we forget.

people used to say Kobe needed 6 to be on Jordan's level, but somehow Lebron is with 3 lol

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39. "lolz"
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>people used to say Kobe needed 6 to be on Jordan's level, but somehow Lebron is with 3 lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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37. "reseeding is a terrible idea"
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the potential for multiple round, transcontinental series should kill this.

  

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43. "heat blazers round 1!"
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40. "No, not at all. This reseeding is a bad idea. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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41. "lol whut? Jordania agenda or just dumb? I can't call it."
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45. "east-west format is sabotaging the nba playoffs."
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It's been 20 years since the NBA's top two teams, by record, met in the Finals. By clinging to the East vs. West format, the NBA is short-circuiting its own postseason and missing out on the truly best match-ups.

The 20th anniversary of the 1998 NBA Finals will arrive in June, and yet the glow from Michael Jordan’s final title run has hardly waned. That series remains the most-watched Finals in league history, with Game 6—which ended with Jordan’s brush-off of Bryon Russell—standing as the most-watched Finals game. Jordan’s greatness, and the fact that Chicago’s run was reaching its conclusion, were unquestionably the driving factors behind that record-setting interest.

But the Jazz, led by Hall of Famers Karl Malone and John Stockton, deserve credit too. In 1997, Utah won 64 games (second to Chicago), posted a +8.8 point differential (second to Chicago) and pushed the Bulls to six games in the 1997 Finals. In 1998, the Jazz matched championship the Bulls’ league-leading 62 wins. Jordan famously never needed a Game 7 during any of his six successful Finals appearances, but it took a brilliant steal and an iconic clutch shot to avoid one in '98. That series was great because of Jordan, but it has endured for two decades in part because Jordan was tested by the best available competition on the biggest possible stage.

Here’s the factoid from that series that matters most for 2018’s never-ending playoff format discussion: 1998 was the last time the NBA’s top two teams, by record, squared off in the Finals. This has been a stunning drought, given that four of Jordan’s six titles came in Finals that pitted the league’s top two teams by record (1992, 1996, 1997, 1998).

In the 20 years since, the NBA has staged some epic Finals that rival 1998 in terms of drama, like Ray Allen’s tape-dropping three-pointer in 2013 and the LeBron-led 3-1 comeback in 2016. Overall, though, the NBA’s championship series has fallen far short of its potential due to a glaring structural failure: By sticking to its West vs. East format, the NBA has often short-circuited the ideal Finals matchup because the league’s top two teams resided in the same conference.

Before it gets sidetracked with end-of-season play-in tournaments or other convoluted anti-tanking measures, the NBA needs to address this central flaw. To commissioner Adam Silver’s credit, he publicly acknowledged the issue last month at All-Star Weekend as he teased a possible change to a 1-to-16 playoff format. The new playoff model would do away with conference designations—much like the league ditched the “East vs. West” format for the first time in the 2018 All-Star Game—and rank the playoff teams regardless of geography. While noting travel and scheduling concerns, Silver specifically stated a desire to address the possibility of a conference imbalance.

“You also would like to have a format where your two best teams are ultimately going to meet in the Finals,” Silver said. “I’m not saying this is the case this year, but you could have a situation where the top two teams in the league are meeting in the Conference Finals or somewhere else.”

The cop-out reading of that statement is to pretend that the “two best teams” are whatever two teams are left standing at the end. Yes, that thinking does occasionally bear out for a variety of reasons that are beyond the league’s control. Some star-driven teams coast through the regular season, paying little mind to securing home-court advantage. Other top-performing outfits crack under the postseason pressure or are ill-suited to the match-up nature of the playoffs. Still others might succumb to a key injury, a tough whistle, or a series-altering suspension.

Together, these conditions contribute to a sense, shared by many, that the status quo is functioning well enough. "It's cool to mess around with the All-Star Game, we proved you can do that," LeBron James said recently, per NBA.com. "But let's not get too crazy about the playoffs."

Unfortunately, that cop-out approach is riddled with problems. First, it devalues the 82-game schedule by prioritizing geographical conference designation over performance-based metrics like wins or point differential. Second, it regularly puts more-deserving teams at a disadvantage by forcing them into tougher match-ups prior to the Finals. And third, it regularly provides an advantage to less-deserving teams by gifting them with easier match-ups. A look back at the NBA’s recent history can help illuminate exactly how pervasive these problems have been.

While Silver didn’t explicitly state it at All-Star Weekend, the NBA’s top two teams by record, Golden State and Houston, are both in the West this season. Remarkably, if current winning percentages hold, 2018 will be the fourth time in the last five seasons that the West has posted the league’s top-two records. And, if both the Warriors (+8.5) and Rockets (+8.8) beat out the Raptors (+8.7) in point differential, it will mark the fifth straight season the West has possessed the league’s two most dominant regular-season teams.

This need not devolve into coastal warfare between Western Conference elitists and Eastern Conference loyalists. Given Silver’s stated objective, it really doesn’t matter whether the two best teams are in the West or in the East. And if the goal is to deliver a possible No. 1 vs. No. 2 showdown, the NBA’s current postseason format is failing badly.

During the 19 post-Jordan seasons (not including 2017-18), the West has had the league’s top two teams by record 10 times. Over that same period, the East has had the league’s top two teams by record twice. Combined, that’s 12 of the past 19 seasons that had no chance of pitting the teams with the two best records against each other in the Finals.

CONFERENCE AFFILIATION OF NBA’S TOP 2 TEAMS: BY RECORD (1999-2017)
• West has 2; East has 0: 10 times
​• ​West has 1; East has 1: 7 times
• ​West has 0; East has 2: 2 times

There’s a similar story if one judges the league’s “best” teams by their point differential rather than their record. Over the last 19 seasons, the West has had the league’s top two teams by point differential 11 times. Over that same period, the East has had the league’s top two teams by point differential three times. In other words, 14 of the last 19 postseasons were poisoned by an imbalance before they even started: The league’s best team and second-best team had to vie for just one Finals spot despite outperforming the rest of the league over 82 games. The last time the NBA Finals featured the league’s top two teams by point differential was the 1997 Finals between the Bulls and Jazz.

CONFERENCE AFFILIATION OF NBA’S TOP 2 TEAMS: BY POINT DIFFERENTIAL (1999-2017)
• West has 2; East has 0: 11 times
• West has 1; East has 1: 5 times
• ​West has 0; East has 2: 3 times

For every classic—like 2013 and 2016—that the current set-up has produced, there are numerous counter-examples of “Finals that could have been” if not for the East vs. West format. There’s no way to re-write history, but such cases are worth considering as the league weighs its options going forward.

The post-Jordan era is littered with examples of postseasons that could have been more compelling if not for the East vs. West split.

• In 2000, the Lakers and Blazers, the NBA’s two best teams by record and point differential, went toe-to-toe in a seven-game West finals before L.A. disposed of Indiana in a 6-game Finals afterthought.
•​ In 2002, the Lakers and Kings, the NBA’s two best teams by record and point differential, went seven in the West finals before L.A. swept New Jersey in a Finals yawner.
• In 2007, the Suns and Spurs were the NBA’s top two teams by point differential and yet had to face off in the West semifinals.
•​ In 2008, the Celtics and Pistons, who ranked 1-2 in both record and point differential, went six games in the East finals. Boston went on to beat the Lakers in six games in the Finals, but the clincher was an ugly blowout.
•​ In 2014, the Spurs and Thunder held the NBA’s top two records and played a compelling six-game West finals before San Antonio dispatched Miami in a lopsided five-game Finals.
•​ In 2015, the Clippers and Spurs ranked 2-3 in point differential yet had to face off in a first-round series. The No. 1 ranked Warriors ultimately avoided both and triumphed in six games over the injury-ravaged Cavaliers in the Finals.
•​ In 2018, the Warriors and Rockets are on track for 64+ wins apiece—4+ more than the East’s best team—but will be stuck on the same side of the playoff bracket.

Playoff format reform isn’t just about better serving the league’s top two teams. There’s a trickle-down effect at play, too.

If Silver’s stated goal is to pit the top two teams in the Finals, then it follows logically that the two conference finals would ideally allow the top four teams the opportunity to advance to the final four. The NBA’s current format fares poorly by this standard as well.

Let’s examine the conference designations of the top four teams by record point and differential over the last 30 seasons. Think of these teams as the four No. 1 seeds in a 16-team bracket-style tournament.

CONFERENCE AFFILIATION OF NBA’S TOP 4 TEAMS: BY RECORD (1988-2017)
• West has 4; East has 0: 3 times
• ​West has 3; East has 1: 13 times
• West has 2; East has 2: 13 times
• West has 1; East has 3: 1 time
• ​West has 0; East has 4: 0 times

CONFERENCE AFFILIATION OF NBA’S TOP 4 TEAMS: BY POINT DIFFERENTIAL (1988-2017)
• West has 4; East has 0: 4 times
• ​West has 3; East has 1: 15 times
• West has 2; East has 2: 10 times
• West has 1; East has 3: 1 time
• ​West has 0; East has 4: 0 times

Again, one takeaway from these numbers is that the West has thoroughly outpaced the East over the last three decades when it comes to producing elite teams.

But the more important conclusion from Silver’s perspective is that the postseason format has been properly balanced—with two of the top four teams coming from each conference—less than half the time. In 17 of the 30 years by record, the postseason bracket has favored one conference or the other based solely on geography. The same is true in 20 of the 30 years by point differential.

Those numbers should set off alarms. Every instance in which one conference has better top-end teams than the other is another opportunity for a lesser team to advance deeper in the playoffs than its record or point differential suggests it should. Plus, in an ideal world each of the NBA’s top four teams would enjoy home-court advantage in the second round every year, an impossibility during an unbalanced season. Worst of all, every unbalanced year also theoretically represents a less-than-maximized shot at generating additional revenue and higher television ratings during more competitive series.

Assuming current winning percentages hold, 2018 will be a balanced year among the top four teams by record, with the West’s Warriors and Rockets and the East’s Raptors and Celtics. However, this will be just the second time in the last six seasons that the top four teams have been balanced by record.

The scope of the current format’s shortcomings shouldn’t be understated given that the fix is so simple, at least on paper. Ranking the playoff teams from 1 to 16 would ensure—every year—that the four top-performing teams would be split evenly into two brackets and that the top two teams would not square off until the Finals.

Why would any league stick with a system that is properly balanced among the top four teams just 13 out of 30 times when an improved system could hit 30 for 30? Why would any league stick with a system that has prevented the ideal No. 1 vs. No. 2 outcome in 12 of the past 19 seasons when an improved system could have made it possible 19 out of 19 times?

Tradition, as Silver has stated publicly, isn’t a good enough answer. Travel concerns shouldn’t be either. The NBA has proven it can rejigger its schedule in major ways, eliminating four-games-in-five-nights and cutting down drastically on back-to-backs. Those powers would be put to better use by reverse-engineering the schedule to first accommodate any Finals and playoff matchups, regardless of geographical constraints, before setting to work on the regular season and preseason.

Only then will the NBA have maximized its shot—every year—to rekindle the heavyweight showdowns that regularly marked the heights of the Jordan era.

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/03/07/nba-finals-format-adam-siliver-rockets-warriors-cavaliers-east-west

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46. "Dope article. Thanks for posting."
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This is great information and evidence to Silver's point. That said though....Why not just re-seed when you get to the conference finals then?


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47. "hmm..interesting idea...never heard that one."
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so the final 4 seeds get reseeded by record?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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49. "... is this the goal of the playoffs tho?"
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A 1-2 matchup? Is that ultimately what determines a successful playoffs? I was going to make the sarcastic suggestion that they just take the top four teams by record and make *that* the playoffs to increase the likelihood of a 1-2 matchup. But even then, the odds of a 1-2 happening are, what, 35ish percent at best? Even if they implement the Top 16 records suggestion, the odds of getting a 1-2 matchup at the end must be in the teens at best. I realize that if the two best teams are in the same conference today that the odds of them facing off in the end are 0%, and those who want this to happen prefer teen odds to zero odds-- I just don't think a restructure would remotely end the problems of uneven paths to the title/favorable paths for certain teams/inaccurate seed lines/etc.

Any playoff format will always been uneven. If you reseed by record, what about teams with easier schedules? What about teams who had injured stars and weren't at full health but now are? If you reseed by point differential, same questions. Do you factor in SOS in the seeding? Maybe wins against other playoff teams as a factor? Then again, you see how everyone bitches about the NCAA seeding every year.

There's a quasi-similar conversation going on in college basketball right now about Notre Dame. Their star player was hurt half of the year, and now they're a bubble team if we're being generous (conference tourney results pending). Several people are arguing that a healthy Notre Dame is one of the top 25-30 teams in the country, and the tournament's goal should be to have the best teams face off. I fall onto the side of "that shouldn't be the tournament's goal-- wins and losses should matter, regardless of circumstance." We want gladiatorial entertainment at the end of the day. Survive and advance. Even if your draw is tougher than the guy across the way, you have seven games to prove your mettle.

Sometimes the best teams are both in the West (more often than not, really), but you see playoff matchups fairly routinely in the other sports in which a Final Four or Quarterfinal Matchup would've been the better Finals matchup than the one you actually get. And I just haven't really heard too many cries from the NFL or the NCAA or anyone else about restructuring their regional formats in order to give the truly best teams the truly best chances at creating a title showdown between a true 1 and 2.

And I'm just not convinced (a) that this is a real problem or (b) that the Top 16 record system would stop the bitching about the relative easiness of a title run path that a team would have.

Besides, right now the commissioner gets a possible 1-2 matchup in the WCF followed by a 1-Bron matchup in June. That's ratings gold that I'm not convinced he's ready to toss away.

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50. "So it's harder to win rings playing in the West huh"
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hmmm..... lol
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