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ThaTruth
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"There are currently 6 black head coaches in the NBA..."


  

          

These articles are from a couple of years ago, things have somehow gotten worse since then...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2584463-where-are-all-the-black-nba-coaches-examining-a-sudden-silent-disappearance

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/5/16/5723170/nba-race-problem-coaches-gms-owners

There have been 3 head coaches fired this season. All 3 of them were black.

1 was fired 3 games into the season. 1 was fired 19 games into the season after making the playoffs in his first season. 1 was fired 45 games into the season with his team 1 game over .500.

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It's wild....even going back to how Mike Brown was fired.
Feb 13th 2018
1
yeah that was definitely BS, 5 games into the season
Feb 13th 2018
3
Wow. Didn't realize it was *that* bad.
Feb 13th 2018
2
See this is what ESPN needs to be talking about
Feb 13th 2018
4
nobody wants to hear about that...they'd rather hear about lavar
Feb 13th 2018
5
      right they rush to tell us every time Lavar takes a shit lol
Feb 13th 2018
7
Fizdale should have a job; and Ewing finally said eff it and went to col...
Feb 13th 2018
6
man its a lot of dudes that should have head coaching jobs...
Feb 13th 2018
8
      Stephen A. speaking on it...
Feb 14th 2018
9
      definitely feel where you're coming from with this post...
Feb 14th 2018
10
           i was hoping Clifford would just stay gone and Silas would get the gig.
Feb 14th 2018
11
           That's exactly my fucking point...
Feb 14th 2018
13
           man i get your point lol. it's not complicated.
Feb 14th 2018
14
                Dula. I'm gonna have 2 just flat out call u racist. And that hurts me.
Feb 14th 2018
16
                He's saying he's rooting for white retreads to STOP getting hired...
Feb 14th 2018
19
                I need a detailed explanation of how this "retread" classification works...
Feb 14th 2018
21
                ding.
Feb 14th 2018
26
                You aren't smart, though. Dula is. So you should probably bow out.
Feb 14th 2018
30
                     Constantly verbal abusing others...not a sign of intellectual security
Feb 15th 2018
42
                COY is like the kiss of death for black coaches, for 4 years straight...
Feb 14th 2018
20
                SHIT. That's nuts
Feb 17th 2018
58
                     Exactly! Avery Johnson, San Mitchell, Byron Scott, Mike Brown...
Feb 17th 2018
59
                that's harsh. :-(
Feb 14th 2018
22
                     If you don’t want to discuss the actual top why reply? As it is now...
Feb 14th 2018
23
                          i thought i was.
Feb 14th 2018
25
                               All I’ve seen you do so far is perpetuate bogus stereotypes.
Feb 14th 2018
27
                               Naw, u haven't touched it, becuase I think u know youre wrong.
Feb 14th 2018
32
                                    On what planet do Pringles and Woodson have the same resumes?
Feb 14th 2018
33
                                         Let’s not act like Pringles and Woodson didn’t coach the same team.....
Feb 14th 2018
35
                                              IMAGINE if Woodson and Pringles switched positions with the Knicks.
Feb 14th 2018
38
                                              "Good" in Phoenix?
Feb 15th 2018
39
                                                   LMAO! So D'Antoni gets FULL credit for Nash's MVP?
Feb 15th 2018
40
                                                        D'Antoni *was* an assistant two years ago
Feb 15th 2018
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                                                             D'Antoni's "highs" are higher than the NBA Finals and COY??
Feb 15th 2018
43
                                                                  Um, yeah. Higher
Feb 15th 2018
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                                                                       Bwahahahahahaahaha. You lying sack of shit!!
Feb 15th 2018
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                                                                            RE: Bwahahahahahaahaha. You lying sack of shit!!
Feb 15th 2018
51
                                                                                 D'Antoni taught Shawn Marion how to be the quickest leaper ever!?!? LMAO...
Feb 16th 2018
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                why the fuck shouldn't Mike Woodson get another job?! He took over...
Feb 14th 2018
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                     again:
Feb 14th 2018
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                          Exactly...
Feb 14th 2018
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                          No. Woody DOES deserve another GOOD job. That is the ONLY point.
Feb 14th 2018
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           : - ( Dula you just explained the fucking problem. Jesus christ.
Feb 14th 2018
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                RE: : - ( Dula you just explained the fucking problem. Jesus christ.
Feb 14th 2018
18
                     ACTUALLY -- Only reason Lue got a job is because of DOC RIVERS. LOL.
Feb 14th 2018
31
Nope! Meritocracy! (c) Everyone, including OKS dickheads
Feb 14th 2018
12
It's a complex issue
Feb 14th 2018
34
So much wrong here I don’t know where to begin, I’ll be back tomorro...
Feb 14th 2018
36
Good grief. The lengths we go to apologize for racism. Lulz.
Feb 14th 2018
37
I have no idea what you are even talking about...
Mar 06th 2018
69
One trend is that black coaches don't get a shot
Feb 15th 2018
44
Casey is languishing as an Assistant if his GM ain't black.
Feb 15th 2018
45
Casey was lucky to get a second shot, in his first job in Minnesota...
Feb 15th 2018
47
It takes white coaches YEARS to get on the "hotseat", a black coach...
Feb 15th 2018
46
Brooks is the biggest con in coaching....
Feb 16th 2018
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Funny see this article today
Feb 15th 2018
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      That’s EXACTLY what I’m talking about, and he’s supposed to be...
Feb 15th 2018
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      Notice he tried to sneak this in, see if you spot it.
Feb 15th 2018
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           right!
Feb 15th 2018
55
It's a pathetically low number and some older white coaches are gone
Feb 15th 2018
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The more I think about this, the weirder it is
Feb 17th 2018
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LMAO. It's not "weird." It's racism, and it's the norm.
Feb 17th 2018
61
Undeniable. Only 2 owners are PoC
Feb 18th 2018
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great great post...i was with you up until rick carlisle
Feb 19th 2018
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Post #46. n/m
Feb 19th 2018
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none of the dudes you mentioned in 46 have a ring
Feb 19th 2018
65
      RE: none of the dudes you mentioned in 46 have a ring
Feb 19th 2018
66
           Note: KC Jones doesn't come up in Pat Riley/Phil Jackson/Chuck Daly talk
Feb 19th 2018
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                Yep I almost made a post about him the other day he definitely doesn’t...
Feb 19th 2018
68
Is Rick Carlisle a HOF coach? Is Doc? Is Spo? Is Lue?
Apr 20th 2018
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RE: There are currently 6 black head coaches in the NBA...
Apr 20th 2018
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cant wait til Artest gets a shot
Apr 20th 2018
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This is exactly the bullshit I am talking about, trash white coaches...
May 30th 2018
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Steve Clifford's career record an impressive 196-214, 3-8 in the...
May 30th 2018
74
and this dude had teams "competing" for him, no wait, walks right into.....
May 30th 2018
75
This is that bullshit I'm talking about....
Jun 13th 2018
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1. "It's wild....even going back to how Mike Brown was fired."
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Folks were REALLY saying, "he lost nine in a row!!!" as if Pre-season reaaaaally counted, too. It was a trip.

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3. "yeah that was definitely BS, 5 games into the season"
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2. "Wow. Didn't realize it was *that* bad."
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Knew it was bad. But christ.

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4. "See this is what ESPN needs to be talking about"
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Sometimes it seems like they talk about everything but the game - but then the issues outside the court / field that actually NEED highlighting don't get mentioned somehow

  

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5. "nobody wants to hear about that...they'd rather hear about lavar"
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*rolls eyes*

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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7. "right they rush to tell us every time Lavar takes a shit lol"
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>*rolls eyes*

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6. "Fizdale should have a job; and Ewing finally said eff it and went to col..."
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8. "man its a lot of dudes that should have head coaching jobs..."
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aside from the guys fired this year...

Mark Jackson
Mike Brown
Byron Scott
Bryan Shaw
Lionel Hollins
Sam Mitchell
Isiah Thomas
Mike Woodson

all should have jobs.

Yet we got mf's like Kenny Atkinson, Steve Clifford, Fred Hoiberg, Mike Malone, Rick Carlisle(yes), Stan Van Gundy, Jeff Hornacek, Frank Vogel, Brett Brown, Jay Triano, Dave Joerger, Terry Stotts, etc. that are allowed to wallow in mediocrity with impunity.

And if and when those white coaches do get fired the don't have to wait years for another chance they usually walk right into another job the next season.

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9. "Stephen A. speaking on it..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJHY0gOV3mE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF5Pbw1v5ew

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10. "definitely feel where you're coming from with this post..."
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but at the end of the day?

>Mark Jackson
>Mike Brown
>Byron Scott
>Bryan Shaw
>Lionel Hollins
>Sam Mitchell
>Isiah Thomas
>Mike Woodson

these guys are all fucking retreads too.

i'd much rather see guys like steve silas, ime udoka and jarron collins get a look.

fiz'll be working next year, if he wants. personally (and selfishly) i kinda want him on tv. he did countdown a few times last week and was fucking awesome.

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11. "i was hoping Clifford would just stay gone and Silas would get the gig."
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13. "That's exactly my fucking point..."
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>but at the end of the day?
>
>>Mark Jackson
>>Mike Brown
>>Byron Scott
>>Bryan Shaw
>>Lionel Hollins
>>Sam Mitchell
>>Isiah Thomas
>>Mike Woodson
>
>these guys are all fucking retreads too.

white coaches bounce from job to job no matter what their record is but once a black coach gets fired he's damaged goods or a "fucking retread" and has to wait.

Mark Jackson only had 1 job and his team's record got better every year yet he was still fired and now he's somehow a "fucking retread"? Brian Shaw was a head coach for 141 games and got fired so now he'd doesn't deserve another chance?



Phoenix got worse ever year Jeff Hornacek was there, he got fired and walked right into another job.

Dave Joerger did pretty much the same thing.

A black coach as mediocre as Steve Clifford would never keep the same job 4 years.

who the fuck is Kenny Atkinson and why does he have a head coaching job?

Fred Hoiberg rode a mediocre college career into a mediocre pro career with no heat at all.

Rick Carlisle 2011 was a long time ago, hasn't won a playoff series since, just chillin'.

Mike Malone? since his dad was a shitty coach he gets to be a shitty coach too! We know you sucked ass in Sacramento, no worries we got you set up in Denver!

Stan Van Gundy hasn't won a playoff series since 2010.

In 5 seasons Brett Brown's winning percentage is .272.

Terry Stotts is the definition of mediocre yet is somehow on his third head coaching job.

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14. "man i get your point lol. it's not complicated."
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white retreads and mediocres shouldn't be getting job after job either. we agree 100% there.

i'm just saying i want to see some new cats get a shot. not mike fucking woodson.

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16. "Dula. I'm gonna have 2 just flat out call u racist. And that hurts me. "
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>white retreads and mediocres shouldn't be getting job after
>job either. we agree 100% there.
>
>i'm just saying i want to see some new cats get a shot. not
>mike fucking woodson.

Was Mike Woodson a worse coach with a depleted Knicks team
than Pringles was with a depleted Lakers team?

Pringles coached a league MVP Suns team very well.
Woodson coached both the Hawks AND Knicks pretty well.
(Had a scoring champ in Melo, but no league MVP like
Pringles did)

Why did Pringles get to coach an ELITE NBA team again?

Why didn't Pringles have to languish on an NBA bench
for years between jobs? (BOTH Woodson AND Mike Brown
have had to do so; Brown is a former COACH OF THE YEAR)

There's no reason, Dula. It's all plea-cops and "but, see..."

And if you're buying into this shit, you're racist.

Sorry.

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19. "He's saying he's rooting for white retreads to STOP getting hired..."
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...not for black retreads to START getting hired. If i read his post correctly.

  

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21. "I need a detailed explanation of how this "retread" classification works..."
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26. "ding."
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30. "You aren't smart, though. Dula is. So you should probably bow out. "
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>...not for black retreads to START getting hired. If i read
>his post correctly.

Dula is smart enough to handle two things in his head at
once, you aren't.

This is specifically why I'm comfortable being hard on him.

Because he understands the data, and still comes out with a
way to whitesplain HALF the problem. It's embarrassing.

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42. "Constantly verbal abusing others...not a sign of intellectual security"
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20. "COY is like the kiss of death for black coaches, for 4 years straight..."
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every black coach that won COY was fired the next season or the year after. You get one bad season or even one bad playoff series and your done.

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58. "SHIT. That's nuts"
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59. "Exactly! Avery Johnson, San Mitchell, Byron Scott, Mike Brown..."
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4 years straight were all fired within a year or 2 of winning COY...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Coach_of_the_Year_Award

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22. "that's harsh. :-("
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if my favorite team hired udoka, silas, fiz or collins tomorrow i'd be pretty damn excited.

woody? break-both-collarbones-from-shrugging-so-hard emoji.

it's cool, dogg. we can disagree. still my dude!

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23. "If you don’t want to discuss the actual top why reply? As it is now..."
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it just sounds like you’re whitesplaining.

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25. "i thought i was."
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i'll let you cook tho, fam. it's your thread.

peace.

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27. "All I’ve seen you do so far is perpetuate bogus stereotypes."
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32. "Naw, u haven't touched it, becuase I think u know youre wrong. "
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I wouldn't admit that out loud, so I don't expect you to.

There is 1 reason that Pringles didn't have to languish
on a bench, and was able to UPGRADE in job quality, while
BOTH Mike Brown AND Mike Woodson have to languish on benches.

It's race.

Any other interpretation or harlem shaking ass argument is
white-splaining, and racist.

I'm sorry, my nigga, but those are the stakes in 2018.

I been letting niggas be all golly gee with this shit,
which is why Trump happened.

We either speak with authority on this shit, or let racism
run the fucking world forever.


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33. "On what planet do Pringles and Woodson have the same resumes?"
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D'antoni coached several of the league's greatest offenses ever, brought a team to the WCF twice, and his runs in NY weren't too different from Woodson's (Woodson made the second round once, D'Antoni only took them to the first round). Woodson coached mediocre Atlanta teams that rarely won 50 games in the Eastern Conference.

And if you want to talk about GOOD jobs, with GOOD talent, then Mike Brown's first go-round in Cleveland with the league's best player has to be weighed against any antipathy he's gotten.

Oh yeah, and Pringles was an assistant in Philly and would have stayed such if he hadn't gotten this gig (Stephen Silas was the runner-up for the gig).

Man, everything about the NBA is racist. It's ridiculous that anyone besides players and coaches talk about the game so much, it's disgusting that so many white coaches get their second job after fucking up someplace before qualified black candidates get the same looks, and a league that makes almost every dollar it does off of the talents of black men will always have a race problem when team owners and management are pretty much uniformly white.

But goddamn, y'all two are talking out of ya'lls asses. Byron Scott? Mike Woodson? BRIAN SHAW? Like, did you watch any of these men's teams play the last time they coached? Scratch that, know that answer.

Harp on Thibs' underperformance, on white mediocrity being rewarded everywhere (and man, do ya'll two's takes on Kerr and D'Antoni look fucking dumb when looking at results), but please don't tell me the answer is hiring the same people who sucked elsewhere. Black coaches should gets as much time as their white counterparts, and guys like Scott Skiles and Kevin McHale should never touch an NBA clipboard again. But rewarding black mediocrity instead of white mediocrity might be fair to those coaches, but it isn't fair to players, fans, or, most importantly, the crop of young black coaches who can do these jobs as well as or better than Stevens, Kerr, or any other new coach getting a good situation.

  

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35. "Let’s not act like Pringles and Woodson didn’t coach the same team....."
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And let’s not act like Woodson didn’t go further.

Let’s not act like Pringles wasn’t good in Phoenix, mediocre in NY, & horrible in LA, yet had teams lining up to give him a 4th job.

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38. "IMAGINE if Woodson and Pringles switched positions with the Knicks. "
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If Pringles had coached the Knicks to a division title
(first for the franchise in a looong time) and Woodson
had RUN THE FUCKING TEAM INTO THE GROUND!

IMAGINE.

Pringles would be FURTHER immortalized as a genius and
Woodson wouldn't be allowed in an NBA arena.

LOL!

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39. ""Good" in Phoenix?"
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Aight, then. Bet you think Nash has an MVP that belongs to Kobe, but in the same breath, you'll say D'Antoni's run in PHX was merely good.

Y'all are willfully obtuse. I'm done. I hope the Lakers hire Mike fucking Woodson.

  

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40. "LMAO! So D'Antoni gets FULL credit for Nash's MVP? "
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>Aight, then. Bet you think Nash has an MVP that belongs to
>Kobe, but in the same breath, you'll say D'Antoni's run in PHX
>was merely good.

Right, so D'Antoni is RESPONSIBLE for Nash's MVP?

And he's ONLY responsible for his succeses?

And Woodson coached the Knicks BETTER than D'antoni did,
unless you whitesplain and cop pleas. So why has Woodson
sat on benches since then? Why didn't D'Antoni have to sit
on benches as an Assistant?

>Y'all are willfully obtuse. I'm done. I hope the Lakers hire
>Mike fucking Woodson.

Why not? Why does Woodson not deserve the same opportunity
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41. "D'Antoni *was* an assistant two years ago"
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And D'Antoni should own his Ls as much as any coach, but his highs are higher (#1 offense every year in PHX, two conference finals in the West) than those of the black coaches we're comparing him to in Brown and Woodson.

As for the MVP, I just feel like you're shifting the conversation; Truth said the Suns were only good, minimizing their success, so I countered that by noting that he's mostly attributed Nash's success to his system (which was implemented by...). D'Antoni should get credit for his best players playing their best ball on his teams, and he should be blamed for players who played worse for him than they did for other coaches (like, say, Melo or Kobe).

I barely have an argument other than that these lists of white retreads and black retreads are being put together without much thought. If you think Rick Carlisle is a bad coach, then I would guess you don't watch a lot of basketball. And if you're desperate for Brian Shaw to get another job, I wouldn't have to guess anymore.

The L has a few coaches who are still riding off past performances who should probably be axed for their current jobs (Vogel, Stan Van, Hornacek) and a few who should almost certainly have never been hired (Hoiberg, SCOTT BROOKS) who are perfect examples of men who rarely or never have to sit on the perennial hot seats that black coaches are on (Ty Lue is literally the only coach in the L who has a ring and has to worry one iota about job security).

All I'm saying is there are better examples.

  

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43. "D'Antoni's "highs" are higher than the NBA Finals and COY?? "
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YOU ARE A STINKING ASS LIAR!!! LMAOO

Mike Brown coached Lebron to the NBA Finals. The
difference is, Lebron got *all* the credit.

Who did D'Antoni coach in Phoenix?

Not ONLY the TWO TIME MVP in Nash, but also Shawn Marion
and Amare Stoudemire. He had MORE talent than Brown in
Cleveland and yet was given MORE credit...even by YOU who
JUST got caught LYING

You are MAKING shit up and shape shifting all to excuse
RACISM.

And I'm sorry: You're a pathetic sack of shit for it.

Take all the effort you're using to EXCUSE Racism and
and address the PROBLEM.




>And D'Antoni should own his Ls as much as any coach, but his
>highs are higher (#1 offense every year in PHX, two conference
>finals in the West) than those of the black coaches we're
>comparing him to in Brown and Woodson.
>
>As for the MVP, I just feel like you're shifting the
>conversation; Truth said the Suns were only good, minimizing
>their success, so I countered that by noting that he's mostly
>attributed Nash's success to his system (which was implemented
>by...). D'Antoni should get credit for his best players
>playing their best ball on his teams, and he should be blamed
>for players who played worse for him than they did for other
>coaches (like, say, Melo or Kobe).
>
>All I'm saying is there are better examples.


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48. "Um, yeah. Higher"
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A Finals in the East that led to a sweep vs. the conference finals versus that exact same Spurs team in which the Suns actually, you know, won a game.

And he won COTY too.

  

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49. "Bwahahahahahaahaha. You lying sack of shit!!"
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>A Finals in the East that led to a sweep vs. the conference
>finals versus that exact same Spurs team in which the Suns
>actually, you know, won a game.

See what you just did!?!?! You just NEGATED the success
of a black coach, and PROPPED UP the success of a white
coach on BULLSHIT terms and standards!!!

Dantoni had the MVP and TWO other All-Stars!!!

Brown had Lebron and WHO!?!?!

ANd IMAGINE if it was the other way around and BROWN
had never gotten to the NBA FINALS!?!? The narrative:

"Well, D'Antoni got further in the playoffs, so his high
is objectively higher"

Bwahahahahaha

You are SUCH a pathetic sack of shit!!! I mean, I don't
even HATE D'Antoni, but look at how ALL OF YOU bend over
backwards to make excuses for these white coaches and then
SHIT on black coaches for NO reason.


This is HONESTLY sad.


>And he won COTY too.

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51. "RE: Bwahahahahahaahaha. You lying sack of shit!!"
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>>A Finals in the East that led to a sweep vs. the conference
>>finals versus that exact same Spurs team in which the Suns
>>actually, you know, won a game.
>
>See what you just did!?!?! You just NEGATED the success
>of a black coach, and PROPPED UP the success of a white
>coach on BULLSHIT terms and standards!!!
>
>Dantoni had the MVP and TWO other All-Stars!!!
>
>Brown had Lebron and WHO!?!?!


Was Marion an All-Star anywhere else? Wasn't Mo Williams a fucking All-Star one or two of those years? You're talking about my standards switching, though yours just don't exist. Does the talent matter here? Or the level of success? The sustained level? If it's talent, yeah, D'Antoni had Nash, Marion, and Stoudemire, along with a cast of talented role players. Brown had arguably the greatest player of all-time and casts built explicitly to play around that guy. I'd say D'Antoni had more talent in PHX, with the rather large caveat that his teams always had San Antonio and eventually LA to go through.

On team success? Brown gets to two Conference Finals, one in which his team is favored and the other in which it wasn't. They lose the one he's favored in, win the one in which his team was supposed to be too young to succeed in. He makes the Finals in a conference that has produced some of the worst Finals teams of all-time, and his team is one of those. His teams have very good defenses, occasionally ranked among the best in the league (in 08-09, they're tied for second with an all-time defensive unit in Boston), though generally not, and his offenses rank from very good to middling to bad (I think the ranks are 17th, 17th, 4th, and 4th in his four years there). His teams win 60 twice. D'Antoni makes two conference finals, both of which his team is the underdog, and loses both. His teams win 60 twice. His teams' offenses rank as the best in the L every year he coaches Phoenix, usually three or four points per 100 possessions better than the closest competition; some are among the top 20 offenses the league has ever seen. His defenses are the definition of middling, ranking between 10-15 every year.

After those two runs, D'Antoni clearly gets longer rope, but usually with cursed-ass teams in NY (Melo might literally be the least spread-PnR-friendly star in the L of this time) and LA (Kobe would be second) with fraught ownership situations. Brown gets fucked in the LA gig that gets handed to Pringles, then runs a bad team in Cleveland in which he likely didn't have anything to salvage but also didn't make better than the sum of their parts.

That's it. That's their whole careers pre-Houston. Brown gets the cushiest assistant gig in the L, D'Antoni gets stuck in the Process before getting the Houston job, which absolutely no one expected him to get OR excel at.

Where in there did D'Antoni's resume not say that he should get another chance before Brown does, at least with a roster that fits D'Antoni's talents? Where did Brown have all-time great success like Pringles's PHX offenses did? In this NBA, with the way basketball is now played, which of these guys would you hire, were you not trying to make a point? You know the goddamned truth; you're just too dug in to admit it. D'Antoni was and is not just some retread. He ain't Flip Saunders, God rest his soul, and he ain't Scott Skiles, and he damn sure ain't Dave Joerger.

>
>>And he won COTY too.
>
>Of course he did, imbecile.

But you just asked said the highs weren't as... alright, my dude. This is allllllll you. I'm finished.

  

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57. "D'Antoni taught Shawn Marion how to be the quickest leaper ever!?!? LMAO..."
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LMMFAOOOOOOOO

I'm CRYING

Mike Brown had MORE TO DO with Lebron (LEBRON HAS OPENLY
TOLD US THAT BROWN TAUGHT HIM HOW TO BE A COMPLETE PLAYER)
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17. "why the fuck shouldn't Mike Woodson get another job?! He took over..."
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a shitty Atlanta team and increased their win total for SIX consecutive seasons and STILL got fired.

He's took over the Knicks was the only coach to win a playoff series in 17 years then had one losing season and got fired and he doesn't deserve another chance?!

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24. "again:"
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y'all are arguing "woody deserves a job because "mediocre-white-muhfucka-x has one"

we're having different conversations.

would you rather your team hire woodson than udoka or fizdale?

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28. "Exactly..."
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>y'all are arguing "woody deserves a job because
>"mediocre-white-muhfucka-x has one"
>
>we're having different conversations.

you’re attempting to derail the the topic with an irrelevant point of view.


>would you rather your team hire woodson than udoka or
>fizdale?

Any of them but none of them are currently head coaches and a lot less qualified people are and that’s the problem.

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29. "No. Woody DOES deserve another GOOD job. That is the ONLY point. "
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There is no other point than that.

The disparity in coaching is at BOTH ends:

NEW black coaches lose out to NEW white coaches.

"Retread" black coaches lose out to "retread" white coaches.

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15. ": - ( Dula you just explained the fucking problem. Jesus christ. "
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>these guys are all fucking retreads too.

Most of those guys never got fair shakes to begin with,
and when they didn't succeed, were labelled "retreads"
and tainted forever.

Pringles went from a laughable existence with the
Lakers to coaching a top 5 all time shooting guard
AND point guard. (both were on their way there before
he inherited the team)

What black coaches are going to inherit THAT? The only
one who came close was Lue, who WON A CHAMPIONSHIP.
(defeating the best team...like, ever. Of course, Lue
got almost no credit, and has been on the hot seat since)

I mean, if YOU a woke black man can't see this, how the
hell is hipster white dude (many NBA GMs) let alone
rich and racist white dude (most NBA owners) going to?

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18. "RE: : - ( Dula you just explained the fucking problem. Jesus christ. "
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>>these guys are all fucking retreads too.
>
>Most of those guys never got fair shakes to begin with,
>and when they didn't succeed, were labelled "retreads"
>and tainted forever.
>
>Pringles went from a laughable existence with the
>Lakers to coaching a top 5 all time shooting guard
>AND point guard. (both were on their way there before
>he inherited the team)
>
>What black coaches are going to inherit THAT? The only
>one who came close was Lue, who WON A CHAMPIONSHIP.
>(defeating the best team...like, ever. Of course, Lue
>got almost no credit, and has been on the hot seat since)
>
>I mean, if YOU a woke black man can't see this, how the
>hell is hipster white dude (many NBA GMs) let alone
>rich and racist white dude (most NBA owners) going to?
>
>Man, we're totally fucked.

Exactly, and the only reason Lue got that job was because of Lebron.

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31. "ACTUALLY -- Only reason Lue got a job is because of DOC RIVERS. LOL. "
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>Exactly, and the only reason Lue got that job was because of
>Lebron.

So without DOC RIVERS, Lue isn't an assistant.

Without Lebron James, he doesn't get a head coaching job.

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12. "Nope! Meritocracy! (c) Everyone, including OKS dickheads "
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I now get a check to explain these things to people,
which is why I stopped doing so elegantly around here

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34. "It's a complex issue"
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The statement isn't meant to be an apologist as much as it is a realization that it's not necessarily a simple fix.

In one sense it's a pipeline issue because unlike on the player side, there aren't overwhelming numbers of black coaches with high-regard like there are for players. If most college and pro teams were white despite premiere high-school teams being made up of non-Whites there would be an obvious issue.

Without a large number of 'ready', talented coaches, it's less of a sell to go to owners with a valid complaint that there is an uneven course to a head coach position relative to White coaches in similar situations.

But we all know here that there are complications with that.

Whether the actions are overt or just ingrained, White coaches tend to get more high-profile assistant jobs sooner than Blacks. That's just a reality that very basic research and analysis can unearth.

Maybe the reason is that former White players feel that their days in basketball are over sooner than their Black counterparts and make a conscious effort to immerse themselves in coaching culture before their career is over in college to get a 'head start'. Maybe the reason is simply White head coaches preferring to work with a coach that looks and thinks like they do and mentoring a Black coaching prospect is an endeavor that would eat up bandwidth that they feel is unnecessary.

I can't say for sure. Neither way is explicitly wrong in a moral sense, but obviously the end result is negligibly different from the state the league was in decades ago and ought to change.

There is also a hiring issue. I think Howard Beck mentioned that Black coaches tend to be hired on teams with poorer prospects than White head coaches. Fizdale was kind of an anomaly in that he was hired to coach a playoff team as his first job. Especially without being a high-profile player.

It seems in order to be Black and get a good job, the coach has to have yield some influence and power and maybe earn the good graces of executives by being viewed as 'intelligent' like Doc, Kidd, and Derek Fisher were.

While Doc ended up with a good job in Boston, he had to coach the hell out of those Orlando teams, and if memory serves me right, he got pushed out right at the time they got Dwight, right? Kidd and D. Fish got good jobs but they had solid reputations as heady players before they took on their coaching jobs.

There's also the culture of corporate America which these coaches must navigate and that culture has proven to be extremely difficult to survive unless a man of color tempers his demonstration of intense emotions. Doc and Pop yell, yes. But I can't even imagine Doc being able to rip into players like the first coaches mentioned, much less be rude to the press like they can be at times.

But maybe the issue is that the problem is less odious as it has been.

With NBA fans generally being more liberal than fans of other sports, there still might not be the motivation within the larger culture to activate the owners towards making overt actions towards inclusivity and welcome more men of color, women of color, and white women into positions of power on the executive and management level.

Plus, with the culture still showing overt signs of racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and sexism there's a definite cross-section of the public that thinks all groups should be happy that they can vote and / or get married and get over everything else.

If there were only one or two coaches who are people of color (haven't forgotten about you, Spo) then there's an obvious perception issue and the league might put pressure on teams behind the doors to advocate for Black head coaches.

But with the numbers not riling up either fans or players, for that matter to speak out, there just isn't the political currency for anything to get done with respect to Black head coaches.

As far as solutions, it might take an owner or GM to begin to rock the apple cart and begin to talk about the coaching ranks and the limitations of the current 'system' to allow for equity. It also might help if some White activist can frame civil rights in terms that doesn't always equate 'equality' with Whites handing over power rather than instead investing in partners who in time will help themselves and also be able to fully support Whites and be viewed with the respect that Whites offer themselves at times.

I hoped to end this on a rosier note, but yeah. It's a bad situation that for whatever reason may not improve in the near future.

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37. "Good grief. The lengths we go to apologize for racism. Lulz. "
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What is wrong with you all?

Why all are y'all so miserably full of shit?

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69. "I have no idea what you are even talking about..."
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>In one sense it's a pipeline issue because unlike on the
>player side, there aren't overwhelming numbers of black
>coaches with high-regard like there are for players. If most
>college and pro teams were white despite premiere high-school
>teams being made up of non-Whites there would be an obvious
>issue.

WTF does that even mean?



>Without a large number of 'ready', talented coaches, it's less
>of a sell to go to owners with a valid complaint that there is
>an uneven course to a head coach position relative to White
>coaches in similar situations.

again, wtf does that even mean?


>
>But we all know here that there are complications with that.
>
>Whether the actions are overt or just ingrained, White coaches
>tend to get more high-profile assistant jobs sooner than
>Blacks. That's just a reality that very basic research and
>analysis can unearth.
>
>Maybe the reason is that former White players feel that their
>days in basketball are over sooner than their Black
>counterparts and make a conscious effort to immerse themselves
>in coaching culture before their career is over in college to
>get a 'head start'.

That's definitely bullshit.

>Maybe the reason is simply White head
>coaches preferring to work with a coach that looks and thinks
>like they do and mentoring a Black coaching prospect is an
>endeavor that would eat up bandwidth that they feel is
>unnecessary.

again, wtf does that even mean?

>I can't say for sure. Neither way is explicitly wrong in a
>moral sense, but obviously the end result is negligibly
>different from the state the league was in decades ago and
>ought to change.
>
>There is also a hiring issue. I think Howard Beck mentioned
>that Black coaches tend to be hired on teams with poorer
>prospects than White head coaches. Fizdale was kind of an
>anomaly in that he was hired to coach a playoff team as his
>first job. Especially without being a high-profile player.
>
>It seems in order to be Black and get a good job, the coach
>has to have yield some influence and power and maybe earn the
>good graces of executives by being viewed as 'intelligent'
>like Doc, Kidd, and Derek Fisher were.
>
>While Doc ended up with a good job in Boston, he had to coach
>the hell out of those Orlando teams, and if memory serves me
>right, he got pushed out right at the time they got Dwight,
>right? Kidd and D. Fish got good jobs but they had solid
>reputations as heady players before they took on their
>coaching jobs.

Boston wasn't that good when Doc took over. Kidd and Fish didn't walk into good jobs either.


>There's also the culture of corporate America which these
>coaches must navigate and that culture has proven to be
>extremely difficult to survive unless a man of color tempers
>his demonstration of intense emotions. Doc and Pop yell, yes.
>But I can't even imagine Doc being able to rip into players
>like the first coaches mentioned, much less be rude to the
>press like they can be at times.

There is some truth here.
>
>But maybe the issue is that the problem is less odious as it
>has been.
>
>With NBA fans generally being more liberal than fans of other
>sports, there still might not be the motivation within the
>larger culture to activate the owners towards making overt
>actions towards inclusivity and welcome more men of color,
>women of color, and white women into positions of power on the
>executive and management level.
>
>Plus, with the culture still showing overt signs of racism,
>homophobia, xenophobia, and sexism there's a definite
>cross-section of the public that thinks all groups should be
>happy that they can vote and / or get married and get over
>everything else.
>
>If there were only one or two coaches who are people of color
>(haven't forgotten about you, Spo) then there's an obvious
>perception issue and the league might put pressure on teams
>behind the doors to advocate for Black head coaches.
>
>But with the numbers not riling up either fans or players, for
>that matter to speak out, there just isn't the political
>currency for anything to get done with respect to Black head
>coaches.
>
>As far as solutions, it might take an owner or GM to begin to
>rock the apple cart and begin to talk about the coaching ranks
>and the limitations of the current 'system' to allow for
>equity. It also might help if some White activist can frame
>civil rights in terms that doesn't always equate 'equality'
>with Whites handing over power rather than instead investing
>in partners who in time will help themselves and also be able
>to fully support Whites and be viewed with the respect that
>Whites offer themselves at times.
>
>I hoped to end this on a rosier note, but yeah. It's a bad
>situation that for whatever reason may not improve in the near
>future.
>
>

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44. "One trend is that black coaches don't get a shot"
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when their talent is fully, or near fully developed. Case in point, Sam Mitchell, Jason Kidd, and Mark Jackson. Thank goodness Dwane Casey has Masai Ujiri as his GM.

I'm all for hiring retread coaches. If Scott Brooks can get another job, Mike Brown should have one too.

  

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45. "Casey is languishing as an Assistant if his GM ain't black. "
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>when their talent is fully, or near fully developed. Case in
>point, Sam Mitchell, Jason Kidd, and Mark Jackson. Thank
>goodness Dwane Casey has Masai Ujiri as his GM.
>
>I'm all for hiring retread coaches. If Scott Brooks can get
>another job, Mike Brown should have one too.

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47. "Casey was lucky to get a second shot, in his first job in Minnesota..."
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he was fired midway through his second season with a .500 record.


Part of the reason black coaches are viewed as "retreads" is because a lot of them are older when they get their first head coaching because it takes years for them to get a shot and if they get fired it takes years for them to get a second job if they ever do.

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46. "It takes white coaches YEARS to get on the "hotseat", a black coach..."
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can be on the hotseat after a few games.

And whenever a black coach's team is struggling its always his fault, "he doesn't know what he's doing, he's not connecting to the players, he can't coach offense."

When a white coach's team is struggling its "the players need to figure it out!" I almost forget that Billy Donovan is OKC's coach. When they struggle it was always "Russ, PG, & Carmelo need to figure out how to play together!" Isn't that the coach's job?!

Same thing with the Wizards, "Wall & Beal need to figure out how to play together!" ain't that Scott Brooks job?! Dude already underachieved in OKC when he 3 of the current top 5 players in the league on the same team and couldn't figure out how to make it work. After he ran that team in the ground and got fired he walked right into another head coaching job the NEXT season with an all-star backcourt and hasn't done shit with it. The players actually have figured out how to play better with Wall out obviously because Brooks has no clue.

These dudes like Joerger and Vogel get fired and have another head coaching job waiting on them the next season. They don't have to go back to being assistants and work their way back up, its ridiculous.

Ty Lue won a title a couple years ago against a 73-win squad and got zero credit and is constantly on the hotseat and being questioned when things go wrong. Rick Carlisle hasn't won a playoff series in 7 years and nobody is sweating him.

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56. "Brooks is the biggest con in coaching...."
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He definitely benefits from having a lot of talent. He's really not better than Mike Brown, and Mike Brown accomplished just as much as he has.

  

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50. "Funny see this article today"
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/star-coach-dwane-casey-seemingly-always-hot-seat-171859335.html

  

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52. "That’s EXACTLY what I’m talking about, and he’s supposed to be..."
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one of the safer ones as far as job security....

>https://www.yahoo.com/sports/star-coach-dwane-casey-seemingly-always-hot-seat-171859335.html

Listen to Stephen A....: https://youtu.be/RJHY0gOV3mE

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53. "Notice he tried to sneak this in, see if you spot it. "
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Credit often — and rightfully — begins with the stars, DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry, who will join Casey in L.A. Serge Ibaka is having a fine two-way season, while Toronto’s unheralded bench (Delon Wright, Fred VanVleet, Pascal Siakam) has emerged as one of the best in basketball. Casey? There is often a perception that Casey is just along for the ride.

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55. "right!"
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54. "It's a pathetically low number and some older white coaches are gone"
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Guys who were in the carousel like Don Nelson, Larry Brown and George Karl have fallen out with only Lenny Wilkens being a black coach that did the same. Yet the sidelines are full of white head coaches. Even with their staffs of assistants getting blacker, we aren't seeing much push at the top level and let's not even approach the front office.

It's not easy to push specific examples but this is less about who gets fired than who never even gets a chance. Coaching is a tough business and changes get made all the time, but you'd think a lot more first-time hires would be black coaches or there'd be more upward mobility for the increasing number of black assistants.

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60. "The more I think about this, the weirder it is"
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You think about white coaches that were almost always occupying a job for 20+ years and how many left coaching. Sloan, Nelson, Adelman, Karl, et al. They were replaced by more white guys. Obviously some of them are doing a very good job but the eventuality of more black coaches in the carousel has been anything but eventual. There were also a lot of players that I thought would make very good coaches that haven't gotten much opportunity, and a number of them have made some sort of foray into coaching.

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61. "LMAO. It's not "weird." It's racism, and it's the norm. "
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>You think about white coaches that were almost always
>occupying a job for 20+ years and how many left coaching.
>Sloan, Nelson, Adelman, Karl, et al. They were replaced by
>more white guys. Obviously some of them are doing a very good
>job but the eventuality of more black coaches in the carousel
>has been anything but eventual. There were also a lot of
>players that I thought would make very good coaches that
>haven't gotten much opportunity, and a number of them have
>made some sort of foray into coaching.



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62. "Undeniable. Only 2 owners are PoC"
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key quote: "people tend to hire those most like themselves. Social connections lead to hiring decisions."

the 1% is not diverse at all. mostly old white guys with the old money. same goes for the coaches and gm circuit.
it's like a fraternity that is very hard to get in.

people that think it's only those that work the hardest and are the most qualified that rise to the top seriously have to wake up.

and it's not only race. it intersects with class as shown here:
http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/6777581/importance-athlete-background-making-nba



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63. "great great post...i was with you up until rick carlisle"
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dude is a hof coach {but he has been bad for a while}

no argument regarding the rest though.

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64. "Post #46. n/m"
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65. "none of the dudes you mentioned in 46 have a ring"
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carlisle is gonna retire as the mavericks coach because he earned it

edit: and Lue isn't perceived as the boss of his own team. thats a weird situation.

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66. "RE: none of the dudes you mentioned in 46 have a ring"
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>carlisle is gonna retire as the mavericks coach because he
>earned it
>
>edit: and Lue isn't perceived as the boss of his own team.
>thats a weird situation.

That’s part of the issue too black coaches get all the blame when their teams lose but zero credit when they win.

Doc Rivers has a ring but when Boston fell off they had no problem parting ways with him even though he was technically “traded” to the Clippers they were ready for him to go.

Throughout the Celtics championship run in 08 people constantly questioned Doc’s ability and intelligence and try to give Thibs more credit for that teams success than Doc.

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67. "Note: KC Jones doesn't come up in Pat Riley/Phil Jackson/Chuck Daly talk"
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His name NEVER comes up in that company.

I wonder why?


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68. "Yep I almost made a post about him the other day he definitely doesn’t..."
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get his due

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70. "Is Rick Carlisle a HOF coach? Is Doc? Is Spo? Is Lue?"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2429578&mesg_id=2429578&page=#2651590

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71. "RE: There are currently 6 black head coaches in the NBA..."
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Thought this was interesting yesterday. Its Whitlock but the graph itself is interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUTDL0DIMU&feature=youtu.be&t=5m32s

  

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72. "cant wait til Artest gets a shot"
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pimp game sweet, breakin ankles and feet
cuz these hoes break they toes til they job complete

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73. "This is exactly the bullshit I am talking about, trash white coaches..."
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get fired and walk right into another job the next season. Black coaches wait years to get another chance if they ever do.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23613674/steve-clifford-agrees-4-year-deal-coach-orlando-magic

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74. "Steve Clifford's career record an impressive 196-214, 3-8 in the..."
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postseason.

Yet Mike Brown will be an assistant the rest of his life.

Mark Jackson is "insubordinate"

Avery Johnson is not even on the NBA radar anymore.

All those dudes have a better record than Clifford.

Black coaches with a losing record better not even think about ever getting another HC job.

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75. "and this dude had teams "competing" for him, no wait, walks right into....."
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another head coaching job, no problem.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23524226/mike-budenholzer-named-milwaukee-bucks-new-head-coach

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/05/14/report-milwaukee-bucks-toronto-raptors-intensify-pursuit-mike-budenholzer

After his second season his team got worse 3 years in a row

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76. "This is that bullshit I'm talking about...."
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23770233/toronto-raptors-promote-assistant-nick-nurse-head-coach

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