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"OKP Survivor XIII - Week 18: The Playoffs (Push and Predictions)"
Mon Feb-12-18 10:56 AM by auragin_boi

  

          

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Missing payment:
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-Shawn (not paying)
-Smerf (Kawhi Leonard)

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This would make the fee $85 at seasons end ($60 entry plus $25 penalty).

Gonna post this every rankings until everyone who is paying has paid.

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Rankings-
1) Ghostown DJs (Shawndme7) (40-13), 304.1, (LR=1) - Latest win streak means I can go the whole season without ranking a rookie #1. Good job Shawn! Now lose in the second round pronto.

2) Gonzo's Ghoulies (cgonz00cc)(40-13), 301.0, (2) - Impressive rookie regular season debut. 300+ average has only been accomplished once in this league (by yours truly) so a masterful job and commendation is in effect. But...don't mean a thing without that ring.

3) Washington DC Brunchers (basa20003) (36-17), 297.1, (3) - I've seen pics of Basa online (no-stalk-o)...so I made a voodoo doll that looks like him and I'm going to hex him to make tons of mistakes in his first round match up...hehehe.

4) Tribeca HiBrows (ernest +1) (36-17), 283.5, (4) - The LeBron James of Survivor. I think it's time for realignment lol

5) Virgin Island Presidents (theothursdays) (31-22), 288.1, (5) - Theo has been under the radar all season after a rocky start. I would LMAO if he actually snuck in and won it all.

6) Coney Island Bad Boys VIII (cenario) (28-25), 281.8, (7) - Rondo, Rondo, Rondo, Rondo, Rondo...if he don't ball C gonna lose to Gonzo (or Shawn or Theo).

7) Oakland Cardpullers (MrHood75) (28-25), 274.8, (6) - Man, the Black conference is shaping up to be very uninteresting. I can't even manufacture story lines. Hoods had a solid season but it all feels like they are all lambs to Ern's slaughter.

8) Stanley Forms a Wall (JBoogs) (27-26), 268.8, (8) - See Oakland.

9) Englewood GunViolence (theinfamousdvs) (26-27), 271.0, (9) - See Oakland...BUT, Englewood has the goods to scare some folx. WHY didn't I think LaVine would come back ballin'? SMH

10)Northeast DC (magilla) (30-23), 260.5, (10) - Luckiest man alive and should be playing the stock market and lottery right today. Might even luck into a conference finals bid...and the buck will stop there.

11)Chino Hills Big Ballers (ryanm) (19-34), 247.5, (14) - Still trying though practically eliminated from the playoffs. Heart of a former champ.

12)Chi.ESL Markrakanens (auragin_boi) (22-31), 271.4, (11) - L steak going, Boogie down (BRONX). Without a miracle (and there's a few hopefuls on my roster) my season ends at the first round.

13)L.A. Oatmeal Faces (TheRealBillyOcean) (17-36), 246.2, (13) - Better luck next year (lol and yes, I know RBO is making the playoffs)

14)Ozarks GOBs (ceej) (19-34), 253.2, (12) - Ceej's team committed suicide a month ago. Better luck next year.

15)Waiters Isle Rappity Raps (DJR3) (13-40), 231.1, (15) - BLNY (don't even warrant the full sentence)

16)Restown Smerf City Slamz (Merf2384) (12-41), 221.3, (16) - BLNY (and pay the damn fee already! lol)

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Playoff predictions:
As has been the case for the past 2-3 seasons, my predictions are based on the playoff compare tool: https://basketball.sports.ws/league/playoff_compare.x?league=180087

I will assume seedings based on current record and assumption of where each team finally lands.

With that said:
Black Conference-
Seeds
1) Tribeca (Ern)
2) NE DC (Magilla)
3) Oakland (Hood)
4) Englewood (DVS)
5) Stanley (Boogs)
6) LA (RBO)


First Round
6) LA (RBO) vs 3) Oakland (Hood)
https://basketball.sports.ws/league/playoff_compare.x?league=180087&team1=13&team2=16
Prediction: 3-2 Oakland in a series much closer than expected

5) Stanley (Boogs) vs 4) Englewood (DVS)
https://basketball.sports.ws/league/playoff_compare.x?league=180087&team1=2&team2=15
Prediction: 3-1 Englewooooooooood

Second Round
4) Englewood (DVS) vs 1) Tribeca (Ern)
https://basketball.sports.ws/league/playoff_compare.x?league=180087&team1=15&team2=14
Prediction: UPSET CITY BABY!!! 3-2 Englewooooooooooooood

3) Oakland (Hood) vs 2) NE DC (Magilla)
https://basketball.sports.ws/league/playoff_compare.x?league=180087&team1=16&team2=7
Prediction: 3-2 NE DC

Conference final
4) Englewood (DVS) vs 2) NE DC (Magilla)
https://basketball.sports.ws/league/playoff_compare.x?league=180087&team1=15&team2=7
Prediction: 3-2 Englewooooooooooooooood DVS makes it to the finals as a ROOKIE!

White Conference-
Seeds
1) Ghoulies (Gonzo)
2) Ghostown (Shawn)
3) DC (Basa)
4) VI (Theo)
5) Coney Isle (Dep Commish)
6) ChiESL (Commish)

The #1 seed will depend on Westbrook playing tomorrow against Clev. On top of that, even if he plays, Shawn might still lose the last game of the season to Theo while Gonzo is likely winning out. Shawn will lose best record by 1 game and if not careful with his scores over the last 5 games, might be at risk of losing highest avg also (which are both payable achievements to Gonzo should he win them, actually, he'll get them anyway as Shawn's ineligible to collect).

First Round
6) ChiESL (Commish) vs 3) DC (Basa)
https://basketball.sports.ws/league/playoff_compare.x?league=180087&team1=3&team2=6
Prediction: 3-1 DC

5) Coney Isle (Dep Commish) vs 4) VI (Theo)
https://basketball.sports.ws/league/playoff_compare.x?league=180087&team1=5&team2=10
Prediction: 3-2 VI - Jokic, Oladipo and Ben Simmons ultimately prove to be too much.

Second Round
4) VI (Theo) vs 1) Ghoulies (Gonzo)
https://basketball.sports.ws/league/playoff_compare.x?league=180087&team1=10&team2=1
Prediction: 3-1 VI

3) DC (Basa) vs 2) Ghostown (Shawn)
https://basketball.sports.ws/league/playoff_compare.x?league=180087&team1=6&team2=4
Prediction: 3-1 Ghostown

Conference Final
4) VI (Theo) vs 2) Ghostown (Shawn)
https://basketball.sports.ws/league/playoff_compare.x?league=180087&team1=10&team2=4
Prediction: 3-1 Ghostown

Your 2017-2018 OKP Survivor League Predicted FInals:
4) Englewood (DVS) vs 2) Ghostown (Shawn)
https://basketball.sports.ws/league/playoff_compare.x?league=180087&team1=15&team2=4
Prediction: 3-1 Ghostown

Your Predicted 2017/2018 OKP Survivor League Champions:

The Ghostown DJ's (Shawn)


Edit: And if this should happen, all the pot winnings would go to DVS as there is no clear cut runner up given the finals. LOL



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so should we start realignment ideas now? I say get the rook out of our
Feb 12th 2018
1
'cism
Feb 12th 2018
2
Whatever Shawn wins should be rolled-over to next year
Feb 12th 2018
3
If this gains steam, I'm with it
Feb 12th 2018
4
its the same to me either way. someone's gonna get money they don't
Feb 12th 2018
5
      I mean who cares who deserves the money
Feb 12th 2018
6
           so you agree with me?
Feb 12th 2018
7
absolutely not.
Feb 12th 2018
8
Which is why I asked to address this weeks ago
Feb 12th 2018
9
      in my mind -
Feb 12th 2018
11
           But it doesn't quite work like that though
Feb 13th 2018
14
                I agree...give it to 2nd place in whatever applicable categories.
Feb 13th 2018
15
                lmao, true
Feb 13th 2018
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                My only potential disagreement would be if Shawn makes the finals
Feb 14th 2018
39
                i actually didnt know there was reg season money
Feb 13th 2018
17
                     That's unpossible
Feb 13th 2018
18
                     this dude drafted like a vet but he posting mighty rookie
Feb 13th 2018
20
                          lol...I just said almost the exact same thing.
Feb 13th 2018
23
                     Thems the breaks fam...
Feb 13th 2018
19
                          waiting for him to have a Radin (RIP) meltdown
Feb 13th 2018
21
                               What's funny is, he's in line for $120 off rip if he just be a rookie
Feb 13th 2018
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                                    im just genuinely not understanding the concept
Feb 13th 2018
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                                         Ok...you're over thinking in Gonz
Feb 13th 2018
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                                         you may be right
Feb 13th 2018
32
                                         if I win I could also donate my portion to a charity of choice
Feb 13th 2018
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                                              sounds selfish.
Feb 13th 2018
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                                                   Fine
Feb 13th 2018
28
                                                        Just lose
Feb 13th 2018
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                                                        highly possible
Feb 13th 2018
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                                                        I'd like to nominate the
Feb 13th 2018
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                                                             Motherfucker you own a home
Feb 13th 2018
33
                                                                  And a time share in Honolulu
Feb 13th 2018
35
                                                                  LMAO...I wish
Feb 14th 2018
37
                                                                  lol...this sounds like a "move outta NYC" problem
Feb 14th 2018
36
I *should* get Gonz in Game 57
Feb 12th 2018
10
idc about #1 or #2, as long as im not #3
Feb 12th 2018
12
      Top seed gets $$$
Feb 12th 2018
13
This all star break right before the playoffs is awesome
Feb 13th 2018
34
It really is...allows some folx to get healthy
Feb 14th 2018
38
      man this season is crazy
Feb 14th 2018
40
           Right...it's like everyone is going to be potent and ready to go
Feb 14th 2018
42
           I really thought I had a chance at catching theo for HCA smh
Feb 14th 2018
45
           With the efficient nba, everyone roster is deep. Like I put up 330
Feb 14th 2018
44
                #55 - 4 DNPs, 25 unused minutes, 336.7
Feb 14th 2018
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Sorry Dat Zingis got hurt....but it could help. a lot.
Feb 14th 2018
41
It might but I'm planning a coup
Feb 14th 2018
43
Alright...let's do this already ****VOTE...IMPORTANT****
Feb 14th 2018
46
Shawn's been active all year. Can't he just win the pot, minus $85?
Feb 14th 2018
48
If everyone else thinks it's fair...sure
Feb 14th 2018
49
I mean, it'd be like he was paying the year-end fee.
Feb 14th 2018
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      "I cant and wont pay on principle" - shawn
Feb 14th 2018
52
absolutely not lol
Feb 14th 2018
51
      Why not? Give me a real reason.
Feb 14th 2018
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           #52. shawn already gave you the reason in the week 8 post.
Feb 14th 2018
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                ^^^
Feb 14th 2018
55
My vote's for option F
Feb 14th 2018
56
One beef- If Shawn wins I don't agree with runner-up getting champs cut
Feb 14th 2018
58
They should get it bc they were the best team out of those
Feb 14th 2018
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      it ain't gonna be you, so idk why you're lobbying for it.
Feb 15th 2018
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      fam, go sit your good average in season 2 ass down somewhere.
Feb 15th 2018
64
      not necessarily
Feb 16th 2018
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E is probably easiest. Thats my vote
Feb 16th 2018
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I like option D for both...Ern it dammit lol
Feb 16th 2018
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I'm cool with that if you want to do the work
Feb 16th 2018
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Voting E for both.
Feb 16th 2018
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A to both.
Feb 16th 2018
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so let me guess...
Feb 16th 2018
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there is only one real solution and i dont understand the issue
Feb 16th 2018
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lol. Has nothing to do with an 'easier path to money'
Feb 17th 2018
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      its not qualitative
Feb 17th 2018
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           Chemtrail conspiracy theorists make more sense than you
Feb 19th 2018
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                how is that not clear?
Feb 19th 2018
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                     Not what I was saying. I said no one is arguing for "an easier path to m...
Feb 20th 2018
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My vote goes for E
Feb 19th 2018
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Enes on that survivor playoff flow
Feb 14th 2018
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Making it interesting down the stretch...
Feb 14th 2018
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Theo had two guys who put up 80+ on me....smh
Feb 15th 2018
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good...hopefully he gets those games out now lol
Feb 15th 2018
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Jokic dealing
Feb 16th 2018
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Unless Trevor Booker turns into Superman...
Feb 16th 2018
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i didn't know the playoffs started.
Feb 16th 2018
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Honestly, I'm just glad to make you sweat.
Feb 16th 2018
70
I respect that *Fist emoji*
Feb 16th 2018
71
....You're welcome (c) Kobe nm
Feb 20th 2018
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Cenario
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1. "so should we start realignment ideas now? I say get the rook out of our"
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conference. lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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2. "'cism"
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3. "Whatever Shawn wins should be rolled-over to next year"
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auragin_boi
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4. "If this gains steam, I'm with it"
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But then we should put in a rule in theoff-season stating that if you play, you have to pay.

I'm not trying to be a bill collector (LABeat last season, Smerf this season). There has to be SOME payment at the start of the season and a monthly payment plan to cover the whole thing by the end of Feb.

Given Shawn's situation, I let it fly this year, plus we needed the body. We can start next seasons GM hunt earlier and have a few on deck in case someone can't return to avoid the desperation.

But having a vacant pot rollover every year...smh. Nah.

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5. "its the same to me either way. someone's gonna get money they don't"
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'deserve'.

Either this year's runner up or next year's winner.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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6. "I mean who cares who deserves the money"
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someone is still declared a winner. If you dont pocket it, who cares. if you pocket it, $$$$$$$



im still trying to figure out what to do with Sabonis/Beas

Monroe/Birch/ and kornet though

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7. "so you agree with me?"
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lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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8. "absolutely not."
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the only fair result of shawn winning from a gambling perspective is everybody gets their money back

the people who paid gambled (not necessarily "competed") against only each other and pushed in that scenario

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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9. "Which is why I asked to address this weeks ago"
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Are we just hoping Shawn doesnt win?

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11. "in my mind -"
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the people who have paid have entered $60 side bets with each other against the pot, betting on themselves to win the league. if none of us win, we all push and no one gets paid. then we all get our money back.

the competition and our "side bet" are basically 2 separate things if there is even 1 person who isnt paying.

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auragin_boi
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14. "But it doesn't quite work like that though"
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$60 Highest Avg, $60 best record
$240 for the runner up
$600 for the winner

^^^These will be a little different as Shawn didn't pay, a few people paid late and Smerf may or may not pay. So the runner up would get the same type of % of the actual pot (like 28%) and the rest goes to the winner.

The big pot, if won by Shawn, might be in question but the runner up still wins $$$. And if Shawn doesn't finish with best record, there's $$$ to be had. He likely has highest avg on lock unless you put up 350+ for the last 5 games and he's sub 300.

So it's not just the grand pot.

My thought is, the next highest for each of these should get the $$$, whoever has second best record if he has the best, whoever has second highest avg if he has the highest. In both cases, you'd get the money right today. LOL @ you talking yourself out of cash.

And I think if Shawn wins, whoever he beats should get the whole pot $840. It's basically saying it's an exhibition and as that team was the only one to make it legitimately, they deserve the prize.

But as Commish, I'm good with whatever the league wants to do.

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15. "I agree...give it to 2nd place in whatever applicable categories."
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or send the money to WS so we can get some sort of upgrade for our league or priority customer service lolz.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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16. "lmao, true"
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>or send the money to WS so we can get some sort of upgrade
>for our league or priority customer service lolz.

But yea, I always assumed everything would just slide down to the next in line.

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39. "My only potential disagreement would be if Shawn makes the finals"
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If Shawn wins, can't reward someone who got 2nd place to take home the whole pot.

Even if Shawn loses the finals, seems like the 2nd place money should be split by the teams who lost in the Conference Finals or something.

I'd even rather give it to AB for running this.

Rolling it over to next year does allow Shawn the chance to actually claim it, but is pretty anti-climactic.

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17. "i actually didnt know there was reg season money"
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but that isnt the problem

and now youre kinda talking about a scenario where the weaker conference champion has an inside track to the pot. shawn beats Ba or me in 6 games where both avg 300+ and then he blows out out someone from the other bracket and that guy gets paid?

cmon now

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18. "That's unpossible"
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shawn
>beats Ba or me in 6 games where both avg 300+

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20. "this dude drafted like a vet but he posting mighty rookie"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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23. "lol...I just said almost the exact same thing."
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19. "Thems the breaks fam..."
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Runner up has always gotten paid since we started a payout. The team the champ beat in their conference final might be better than the team they beat in the final but we don't arbitrarily reassign the cash then.

You beat who's in front of you. Happens one conference was stronger this year. Hell, the reigning champ is from the OTHER conference so it's not like anything is a given.

You don't want the 'what if' scenario of Shawn winning then don't hold injured players on your roster too long and stay pressed until the end...and you do it yourself.

Otherwise, we've got to have a provision. A refund is just like saying "we all played for free this year"...and we didn't.

Also rook...FYI, all 4 rounds of our playoffs are best of 5.


>but that isnt the problem
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>and now youre kinda talking about a scenario where the weaker
>conference champion has an inside track to the pot. shawn
>beats Ba or me in 6 games where both avg 300+ and then he
>blows out out someone from the other bracket and that guy gets
>paid?
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>cmon now
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>

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21. "waiting for him to have a Radin (RIP) meltdown"
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take his ball and go home off this and a key injury lol

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22. "What's funny is, he's in line for $120 off rip if he just be a rookie"
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and go with the flow.

Then if his team gets healthy while he gets that 1st round bye, he has a good shot at the whole enchilada.

Rookies...talking themselves in circles since forever.

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24. "im just genuinely not understanding the concept"
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i understand giving the runner-up the regular season money. its an aggregate and everyone had the same opportunities to score points all year.

but im just honestly not seeing another logical, mathematical, and inherently valid way to award tournament money when one guy has no skin in the game. tilting it toward being in an easier conference is not the answer. it raises everyones probability on that side of the bracket, even assuming random distribution. thats inherently not a fair bet. shawn has gambled, he knows this.

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25. "Ok...you're over thinking in Gonz"
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>i understand giving the runner-up the regular season money.
>its an aggregate and everyone had the same opportunities to
>score points all year.

Word.

>but im just honestly not seeing another logical, mathematical,
>and inherently valid way to award tournament money when one
>guy has no skin in the game. tilting it toward being in an
>easier conference is not the answer. it raises everyones
>probability on that side of the bracket, even assuming random
>distribution. thats inherently not a fair bet. shawn has
>gambled, he knows this.

Well, if we actually had a way to do a '3rd place' between the conference finals losers, I guess we could go with that and they could get the runner up pot. Technically, I 'could' rig the site to get boxscores maybe (sometimes it works, sometimes it won't calculate it) to see who would win. And the GM's would have to stay active through the finals but this seems a lot more work than just letting whomever makes it to the finals decide.

What you see as a tilt, is what I see as luck of the draw. If Shawn had paid or someone else played in his spot and paid, you'd still have the same obstacle and if you lost to him, would still be a better team than most in the Black Conference but you wouldn't get no cash. Only difference here is Shawn can't get any money so whomever makes it there opposite him gets the whole pot.

Beat who's in front of you and this won't be an issue. Ultimately, you're going to have to do better than "we should all get a refund" though.

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32. "you may be right"
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>What you see as a tilt, is what I see as luck of the draw. If
>Shawn had paid or someone else played in his spot and paid,
>you'd still have the same obstacle

right, but as is, half the league doesnt have that obstacle because they wouldnt have to beat him no matter what happens.

>Beat who's in front of you and this won't be an issue.
>Ultimately, you're going to have to do better than "we should
>all get a refund" though.

lol this isnt a personal crusade. im just trying to find a solution

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26. "if I win I could also donate my portion to a charity of choice "
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if thatll make you feel better

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27. "sounds selfish."
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28. "Fine"
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Charity of 2nd place guys choice lol


Or we all vote collectively and send it to a charity make it even more convuluted

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29. "Just lose"
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30. "highly possible"
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31. "I'd like to nominate the"
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"Let's give it to the Commish who's been our Rock for over 10yrs, deservedly" Fund.

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33. "Motherfucker you own a home "
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Take out a damn home equity LOc and ball out

I’m almost 40 and still renting with no home ownership in sight.

Fuck NYC

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35. "And a time share in Honolulu"
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37. "LMAO...I wish"
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but I do hope to live/retire there within 10-15yrs.

I swear that's my new dream.

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36. "lol...this sounds like a "move outta NYC" problem"
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I live in the outskirts of the Chicago metro area. Not IN Chicago. I'd never do that again. Might help to fall in love with suburban life. *shrug*

>Take out a damn home equity LOc and ball out

'This' has nothing to do with 'that'. lol

>I’m almost 40 and still renting with no home ownership in
>sight.
>
>Fuck NYC

I feel you bro. Gotta be some options though. I think you and wifey just like the NYC living. I'm sure there's options outside of the city. I feel like if I can get to downtown Chicago in 30-45 minutes, I'm good with that.

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10. "I *should* get Gonz in Game 57"
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>The #1 seed will depend on Westbrook playing tomorrow against
>Clev. On top of that, even if he plays, Shawn might still lose
>the last game of the season to Theo while Gonzo is likely
>winning out.

Projections have it close, but now Draymond is out and he has no forward minutes behind.



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12. "idc about #1 or #2, as long as im not #3"
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and im not. after game 55 gets recorded i go up 4 on Ba with 3 to play.



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13. "Top seed gets $$$"
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Thats why he was breaking it down. Although said dough is now in limbo anyway lol.

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34. "This all star break right before the playoffs is awesome"
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Doesn't necessarily benefit me..but seems pretty good for the league in general.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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38. "It really is...allows some folx to get healthy"
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and gives a little pause before the action starts.

Kudos to the league for starting the season 2 weeks earlier and adding extra time to the all-star break.

With all the injuries this year though, players might want to start their off season training sooner.

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40. "man this season is crazy"
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>and gives a little pause before the action starts.
>
>Kudos to the league for starting the season 2 weeks earlier
>and adding extra time to the all-star break.
>
>With all the injuries this year though, players might want to
>start their off season training sooner.


Looking at all my moves from draft to FAgency, I made the right move 90%-95% of the time. Yet I cant shake the field. The bye is awesome because Im around longer, but no ne of the potential teams i could play off the bye make me feel better than the other.

Im grateful for Russ already being back

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42. "Right...it's like everyone is going to be potent and ready to go"
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I can't even call the playoffs. Only thing I'm certain about is Ern is the favorite 'over there' but even that's not as much of a certainty as normal for a conference leader.

The first round ISLAND WAR between Coney and Virgin is gonna be nuts.

Theo's team is BALLIN and so is Cenario's.

#No easy matchups.

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45. "I really thought I had a chance at catching theo for HCA smh"
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44. "With the efficient nba, everyone roster is deep. Like I put up 330"
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and feel like 3 of my guys were still subpar.

i look around at the boxscores and see others doing the same.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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47. "#55 - 4 DNPs, 25 unused minutes, 336.7"
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41. "Sorry Dat Zingis got hurt....but it could help. a lot. "
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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43. "It might but I'm planning a coup"
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Losing Boogie put me in extra pressed mode and losing D'Angelo early already had me pressed.

My roster might change game to game or series to series but your a** is in for at least a serious scare in the first round.

My game two is projecting at 345 and Teague put up a nice game for that one.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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46. "Alright...let's do this already ****VOTE...IMPORTANT****"
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As Shawn is not paying but has a good shot at winning, we need to decide how to handle payouts should he make the finals.

For best record and avg, I'm executive decisioning them to the next in line record and avg wise.

For runner up or winner, here are your options:

Shawn makes the finals and wins:
A) Runner up gets whole pot
B) Winnings roll over to next season
C) Commish Bribery
D) Runner up gets winner's cut and Commish finagles a 3rd place series for runner up cut (like this: https://basketball.sports.ws/game/180087/59/3/6 <--can't see this on the site yet as the season isn't over but that's me and Basa's first round if the season ended today)
E) Runner up gets winner's cut and runner up cut is split between the 2 conference finals losers

Shawn makes the finals and loses:
A) Winner gets whole pot
B) Runner up portion rolls over to next season
C) Commish Bribery
D) Commish finagles a 3rd place series for runner up cut (see above)
E) Runner up cut is split between the 2 conference finals losers

Majority vote wins. Voting is open until the start of the Conference Finals (meaning the first deadline, which is currently 8pm EST on 3/12).

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48. "Shawn's been active all year. Can't he just win the pot, minus $85?"
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49. "If everyone else thinks it's fair...sure"
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but I'm sure 'no skin in, no skin out' is some of the prevailing thought.

It's not my call. I just compiled a list of options presented. If you want to present this as an option and majority agree, I'm good with that too.

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50. "I mean, it'd be like he was paying the year-end fee."
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Dude's been in every post, maintained his squad. If he wins, he wins.

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52. ""I cant and wont pay on principle" - shawn"
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absolutely not.

he already acknowledged that as a former gambler he didnt even believe it would have been fair to buy in 6 weeks ago, and also stated no buy in, no money.

thats actually the annoying part of all this. shawn understands gambling, betting, probability, etc. now the idea is floating around that every. single. player. can lose his entry bet. yet my idea of giving everyone money back if shawn wins, was dismissed out of hand. thats lunacy.

that isnt how gambling works.

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51. "absolutely not lol"
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53. "Why not? Give me a real reason."
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It's not like he just set up a team to make up the numbers and left. He's been in the posts talking shit. He's maintained his roster. The only thing he didn't do is trade.

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54. "#52. shawn already gave you the reason in the week 8 post."
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55. "^^^"
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not to complicate things but I dont think its fair for me to take it without paying.I wouldnt take it persoally. If anything, I'd do what I said yesterday, I would donate it to a charity of my choice or if the group wants-- our choice.


On the flip side, I dont think its a straight gambling analogy where its a push and everyone gets their money back either. Gambling is not exactly = to fantasy even though I used that analogy before.


But at the end of the day, I think the best/most fair to do this is to have you guys vote on it, and whatever you decide as a group is what happens.

Im obviously not gonna vote here


Of course I could lose and this could all be moot.

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56. "My vote's for option F"
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58. "One beef- If Shawn wins I don't agree with runner-up getting champs cut"
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I mean, they lost-- theres no evidence theyd have beaten a different team if Shawn didnt make it.

Right?

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59. "They should get it bc they were the best team out of those"
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That paid the full price.

😆

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63. "it ain't gonna be you, so idk why you're lobbying for it."
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64. "fam, go sit your good average in season 2 ass down somewhere."
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74. "not necessarily"
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they were just the best team out of the group that, no matter what happens, wont ever have to beat the top seed of the whole tournament

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67. "E is probably easiest. Thats my vote"
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68. "I like option D for both...Ern it dammit lol"
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72. "I'm cool with that if you want to do the work"
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73. "Voting E for both."
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75. "A to both."
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76. "so let me guess..."
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everyone from the other conference votes for E, and because shawn is rightfully abstaining, they have enough votes to award themselves an easier path to money

this is actually getting worse instead of better

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77. "there is only one real solution and i dont understand the issue"
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everyone plays to win

if shawn makes the finals its winner take all, no runner up prize awarded. this still disproportionately affects the other conference in a positive way in terms of payout, but negatively in terms of potentially making the finals and getting nothing. BALANCE, people!

anyone but shawn wins, congrats youre rich. even richer if you actually beat shawn in the finals.

shawn wins, the tournament money is sent back to guys who paid at a pro-rated amount. commish keeps all late fees. lil piece of pork for you AB!

OR

rolled over and awarded to whichever of us finishes with the best record/average *next year*. it would have to be a regular season award, because only the players who paid THIS year will be eligible, not any potential rookies from next year. obviously anyone who doesnt come back next year would forfeit that.

ill he really honest, when i decided i wanted to join the league, the Survivor "brand" played a huge role. it should be absolutely imperative to everyone that competitive balance and fair betting are actively protected. if someone has a better way to do that Im all ears. but as is...im not seeing one.

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78. "lol. Has nothing to do with an 'easier path to money'"
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Not scared of anyone on the other side personally, in fact I've outscored you easily over the last 10. Just whats easiest for Ab, and doesn't involve awful teams getting their money back. That's a horrible idea.

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79. "its not qualitative"
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fewer series = easier

you or boogs/magilla could win the entire pot with two series wins

thats absurd.

what to do with the money if shawn wins should be what we are talking about, giving it back was one option.

we should not be talking about giving money to someone who doesnt win the whole tournament.

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81. "Chemtrail conspiracy theorists make more sense than you"
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I’m in this thread literally saying “pyey that man his minny” (c)Malkovich and you’re suggesting… what, exactly.

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82. "how is that not clear?"
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no one should get winners money unless they win the whole tournament, ie no one should get the winners pot just for making the finals

the only contingency to implement is what to do if shawn wins, and what to do with runner up money if he loses in the finals. but if any one team has to beat him along the way no other teams should get a pass.

i really dont understand whats complicated about that

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84. "Not what I was saying. I said no one is arguing for "an easier path to m..."
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Especially not the possible BLM conference champs (me/Ern).

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80. "My vote goes for E"
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spreads the pot around.

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57. "Enes on that survivor playoff flow"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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60. "Making it interesting down the stretch..."
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STill essentially impossible to make the playoffs but fun regardless

OH also? I’m a top 3 coach of the year easily.

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61. "Theo had two guys who put up 80+ on me....smh"
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https://basketball.sports.ws/game/180087/57/10/3

I might put up 340 and still lose by 60.

And as far as them 'offs go...I might not win but we are making a nice post-Boogie bounceback. Man, I can only imagine if he was still healthy:

https://basketball.sports.ws/game/180087/59/0/3/3
https://basketball.sports.ws/game/180087/60/0/3/3

At least I might keep it competitive. lol

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62. "good...hopefully he gets those games out now lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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65. "Jokic dealing"
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Can someone post up the playoff brackets so we can “watch”

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66. "Unless Trevor Booker turns into Superman..."
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https://basketball.sports.ws/game/180087/56/15/12/3

DVS just punch my ticket to them 'offs!

Basa...this won't be no cakewalk. Better hope no one else plays like Kyle did:

https://basketball.sports.ws/game/180087/59/3/6/3
https://basketball.sports.ws/game/180087/60/3/6/3
https://basketball.sports.ws/game/180087/61/6/3/3

Projections say I lose a few close ones (outside of game 1) but anything can happen. Just glad to be close enough to make it interesting.

Man...if I had Boogie though. SMH

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69. "i didn't know the playoffs started."
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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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70. "Honestly, I'm just glad to make you sweat."
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Getting back ALMOST into the playoff hunt was my goal once shit went sideways for me. I did it. Had I kept some of the players I dropped I might have been able to do it (Sabonis, etc.).

Ah well. Such is life. Still a bad season but I made it respectable.

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Lopez. Clarkson. Ingram. Ball. Kuzma. Randle. Pope. Bogut. Nance. Deng. Zubac. Brewer. Ennis.

  

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71. "I respect that *Fist emoji*"
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83. "....You're welcome (c) Kobe nm"
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