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BrooklynWHAT
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"Investigative Reports (c) GZA: The mystery of Markelle Fultz jumper (lin..."


  

          

i'd swipe but there's a lot of visuals w/ the story. really interesting article
http://www.phillyvoice.com/what-has-really-been-going-markelle-fultz-shoulder-injury-broken-jump-shot/

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Young boy was the goods at Washington.
Feb 12th 2018
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i can't believe this. he was so good
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thats a bummer all the way around
Feb 12th 2018
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he'll get it together
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Based on the public footage, the Sixers staff gets it
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Misses the mark, Brett Brown gave the biggest clue
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thanks for that, remember reading something similar to what u saying
Feb 13th 2018
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do you mean pain as in the symptom of his pathology?
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      I mean pain as in a conditioned pain response
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           i get that
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                Ah I misunderstood
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lol I see youre already here LA2
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I hope he puts "NBA Reddit Doctor" on his business cards.
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I read this and I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED?!
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welcome. snacks in the back.
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Same
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LOL me too. And I think that's the point.
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Of course not and the reasons for that are pretty straight-forward
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he may not be &quot;injured&quot; now...but
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No, if it was strength it would manifest in all overhead motions
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1. "Young boy was the goods at Washington."
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Basaglia
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2. "i can't believe this. he was so good"
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cgonz00cc
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3. "thats a bummer all the way around"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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4. "he'll get it together"
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i just don't think he can stay full Knoblach, not at this age. it may take a couple years and, ultimately, necessitate a change of scenary. that would be really bad for the sixers, but the good of the sixers should be a distant second in everyone's mind. i just want the kid to be ok.

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LA2Philly
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6. "Based on the public footage, the Sixers staff gets it "
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They are letting him shoot in ranges where he is currently comfortable (aka where that motion is non-threatening for him) and then when it comes to longer distances, they are just taking him through the jump-shot motor pattern and having him focus on slowly and gently going through that range of motion.

This is not an easy process but it can be worked through with patience and support. The microscope doesn't help anything.

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LA2Philly
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5. "Misses the mark, Brett Brown gave the biggest clue"
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As to what the medical staff believes is happening.

He said in a private production meeting - "what markelle is dealing with is psychosomatic"....and that's perfectly ok since all pain and motor patterning/learning is inherently psychosomatic.

What's key to understand in breaking neuro-cognitive pain cycles and motor re-learning is that it's a very non-linear process...especially during the associative (beginner) stages of motor learning.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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9. "thanks for that, remember reading something similar to what u saying"
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pretty encouraged that Fultz will be another name in the Jason Kelce underdog roll call whenever he gets it together.

  

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cgonz00cc
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10. "do you mean pain as in the symptom of his pathology?"
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soreness from developing underused muscles is one thing, and thats expected to some degree

but that article reads like he has been shooting while he should have been doing PT if he really has scapular dyskinesia. and without the team's knowledge no less.

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LA2Philly
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11. "I mean pain as in a conditioned pain response "
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It’s pretty obvious to me that he changed his shot bc he was having pain in the first place (due to the dyskinesia), kept trying to shoot through it (reinforcing the negative pain feedback loop) and now even though that dyskinesia and the underlying muscle imbalance is fixed, his brain still interprets that overhead jumper motion as dangerous and thus sends a pain response - it’s chronic pain science 101.

He has to work through it via graded exposure - starting with non-threatening spots on the court (in the paint - as Colangelo said) and then incrementally progressing. That’s why you see the Sixers staff working on his jumper motor pattern in slow-motion, they’re introducing graded, non-threatening motion so his brain can get off red alert.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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cgonz00cc
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12. "i get that"
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but the article paints the picture that he hasnt actually stopped trying to shoot through it, right up until a couple weeks ago.

that seems counterproductive for whatever proprioceptive work the team has him doing, not to mention the actual prognosis of his shoulder

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LA2Philly
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20. "Ah I misunderstood "
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That part about him still shooting with Williams - unbeknownst to the team - is definitely disconcerting.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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7. "lol I see youre already here LA2"
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7uavhc/markelle_fultzs_jump_shot_dissecting_his_jumper/

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13. "I read this and I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED?!"
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14. "welcome. snacks in the back."
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15. "Same"
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16. "LOL me too. And I think that's the point."
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The author did 6 months of work and still had a big nothing to show for it.

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19. "Of course not and the reasons for that are pretty straight-forward "
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1 - no one will ever take the blame for this, especially in a high profile case

2 - there’s still a huge stigma associated with neuro-cognitive pain (“the pain is all in your head”...well yeh, all pain is created by the brain). Just look what happened when Mark Jones used the word “psychosomatic” to characterize Brett Brown’s private production meeting comments - Fultz went full emo on Twitter, Brett Brown basically had to retract everything, ESPN apologized, and Mark Jones apologized.

All off one word - the one word that has came closest to actually describing the real issue. Fultz isn’t some “mystery” - this is a common presentation in patients suffering from chronic pain, high stress situations

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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Warren Coolidge
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17. "he may not be &quot;injured&quot; now...but "
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his current shooting form is definitely a reaction to an injury to that shoulder. Combination of an actual lack of strength in that shoulder...and the mental aspect of not having the confidence in your strength get the ball over your head..

that's what that hitch is....

it's shame man..

kids a real player...

but he's not strong enough yet to have the right shooting form...

it almost looks like there's been some nerve damage or degeneration...


  

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LA2Philly
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18. "No, if it was strength it would manifest in all overhead motions "
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It only manifests in his jump shot motor pattern - that is an immediate tell that it’s related to neuro-cognitive pain and neuro-motor control.

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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