It's always fascinating to see what the immediate response is to a trade like this juxtaposed with how it actually plays out on the court in the short/long term.

I think this helps the Cavs this season - they had to get bigger, younger, more athletic and IT was playing as bad as anyone could ever imagine he would play - and his presence thwarted K. Love's best season yet in Cleveland.

Lake show must feel they can land a superstar (or two) by clearing up salary space. Imagine if Bron went to L.A. after this lmao

Poll result (19 votes) Lakers - cleared cap-space to free up room for a superstar (13 votes) Vote Cavs - get younger/bigger - more athletic (5 votes) Vote Both teams for different reasons (explain) (1 votes) Vote boy that Danny Gilbert knows how mismanage (0 votes) Vote damn IT : ( (0 votes) Vote Bron still gone (0 votes) Vote

Assuming that people agree the Cavs' problems are (1) defense and (2) convincing Bron to stay.

Clarkson is a good offensive weapon, but he was one of the Lakers' worst defenders, and the Cavs need defense more than anything. Nance is a pretty good defender and he's a high-motor guy, so he's a nice piece... but the Cavs need more than a nice piece to fix their defensive issues. Getting younger in general is a good idea, but I'm not convinced either of these guys is good enough to convince LeBron to stay.

Meanwhile, the Lakers now have an additional first rounder, which could be around 20-22, and $14 mil more in cap space at season's end. That's an obvious big win for a team looking to stay young but also bring in a star in free agency.

For me, no-brainer that the Lakers win this trade.

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Clear cap space while getting a 1st round pick...and IT has a small cap hold. We met all of our goals while dealing two guys who can def help Cleveland (JC with his scoring ability and Nance with his defensive awareness and effort).


Personally, I'm happiest for IT because this is a dude who was dealing with one of the toughest injuries (hip labral tear) and didn't play ball for 9 months and immediately gets thrown under the microscope on a team that is already unraveling.

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this obviously fucking helps the Cavs.

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but on its face, Clarkson+Nance for nothing that can help them win a game tomorrow would bug me a little bit.

that pick could end up in the lotto tho. id hope its protected as a Cavs fan...gotta hedge the bet imo.

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I think it's lunacy to say that IT & Frye were productive than JC & Nance Jr. will be for this Cavs team. This trade helps the Cavs in their quest to get out of the East and play w/ house money in the Finals - *and* helps them if Bron leaves. You'd clearly rather rebuild with Clarkson & Nance than an (unfortunately) broken IT & Frye.

I feel for IT as he's been through so much - but he just isn't the same guy and won't be for the rest of the year - and his locker room behavior was bewildering.

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An extra $14 mil in cap when Thomas and Frye's deal expire this summer could've helped sign the free agent that could've convinced Bron to stay in Cleveland. No clue who it would've been/who Bron would've wanted/if it would've mattered end of the day. But the theory is sound.

I think Clarkson/Nance are the better option for Cleveland only if they're resigned to the fact that Bron is leaving. Cuz I don't think those two are nearly enough to convince Bron to remain.

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This move serves one point for Cleveland: Help them win the East this year and get to the Finals (where anything could happen) - and if Bron bounces next year you have some young piece to rebuild identity.

Does this make the Cavs better *right now*? If it does - it's a good move for the Cavs - because they gave up nothing.

Cavs ain't done either.

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but that really had little to do w/ the new guys - they underperformed - but it's prob better for Cleveland long-term to have these young guys than it would be to keep a broken wheel IT, and old D. Wade/D. Rose - and an injured/shell of his former self Crowder.

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for Cleveland I think it may be addition by subtraction, didn't they win like 17 of 18 right before IT came back with Calderon starting?

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at this point in time I don't think the trade is bad, but that's cause everything is so fucked for the Cavs they had to do something to salvage it. Gilbert pissed off Bron with not resigning Griffin. Then he caved to Kyrie's trade demands rather than pulling out all the stops to keep him happy... and this is what they (eventually) end up with? You fucked up Comic Sans Man.

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kyrie didn't want to be stuck when bron jetted, and he was tired of being jerked around. nothing short of bron signing a long-term deal last summer would have changed kyrie's mind

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at the end of the day he gets Crowder, Clarkson, Nance Jr. and the Brooklyn pick for Kyrie. He did get some young value in return but I think you have to wait it out and see if Kyrie can be coaxed into balling for another go at the title if you're Gilbert. But of course - we're talking about one of the most incompetent owners in sports - so always expect the worst.


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The Cavs are definitely better now, if for no reason other than IT seemed like a team cancer as soon as he got on the floor. But I think JC and Nance add some much needed energy and youth/athleticism.

I think they're a better addition than the credit they're being given.

That said?

Lakers won this deal long term.

Unless we somehow manage to blow that money on LeGM, who won't beat GS and will likely press us to sign mediocre players from Clutch to placate him while he signs a Mega 1+1 befote bouncing and leaving us fucked with shit contracts.

>Unless we somehow manage to blow that money on LeGM, who won't
>beat GS and will likely press us to sign mediocre players from
>Clutch to placate him while he signs a Mega 1+1 befote
>bouncing and leaving us fucked with shit contracts.

I wonder if LeBron will charge full LeBron Tax on a team that isn't owned by Dan Gilbert

..if he signs with the lakers in the offseason, he will certainly be included in the convo about the roster, but there's no way in hell magic & rob will let that dude run wild like (d)ilbert.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Cleveland will be thankful that he did when it's all said & done.

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..yes, they won a title.

cool.

but stop acting like jr smith, tristan thompson, derrick rose, & dwade were sound basketball decisions.

nobody in their right mind will allow that to happen twice.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

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..i don't think the lakers need lebron to rebuild and contend, but i can't knock them for considering that option.

to be honest, i think lebron is targeting SA or Houston.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

You think Lebron won’t be doing what he wants *if* he goes there?

..his mouth is the only thing running wild.

kudos to him for keeping his name in the press, tho.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

I'm big on Zo in the long-run - and I think they had enough backcourt talent to render JC expendable.

>Unless we somehow manage to blow that money on LeGM, who won't
>beat GS

ugh news flash breh: No single player in nba history is getting you passed GS without a mosaic of talent surrounding them.

What if you get LeGOAT 1(a) & PG tho?


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I prefer to roll it over, play the kids we have, and wait to see if our current core develops into a playoff team to a point where it makes sense pull the trigger on a guy in his prime who could put us in contention.

I don't see the point in trying to make quantum leaps at a time when the top is sewed up, particularly when Brawn is the target because h3 brings certain baggage and is very unlikely to yield a title in the process. Even with PG. I don't want either. I'd rather let this group cook.

If titles are REALLY the end all, be all to the Lakers, then we need to be playing a longer game instead of trying to jump ahead before we're ready.

I for one would rather play for the long-term health of this team instead of trying to squeeze in a few playoff appearances.

Bron ain't going to the Lakers - and we're both happy about that.


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established during the Kyrie years, when Ramon Sessions was traded.

I like Top Gear and Nance Jr. coming to the team, and now the Lakers don't have to worry about what to do w/these players. Nance Jr. will likely be a fan favorite over here immediately. he's from Akron like Bron, played at Revere, dad is a (famous) former Cavalier. We all know this. Top Gear isn't good defensively but he gotta be a better than IT.

I like IT but he was a HORRIBLE fit and not even close to Kyrie. I still hate that fucking trade. It will enrich Boston for years.

also hate that Channing Frye is gone, he was one of my favorite pick ups over this run and a beast off the bench. Which he will continue to be on the Cavs. Now both he and RJ are gone. Glad they both got rings with the Cavs.

Fuckin around trying to do anything and everything to get NyQuil on the Cavs ended up destroying the team and enriching a good 3 others directly and indirectly.

But hell, I ain't mad if one of them is the Lakers.

Locker room cancer aside, JC is what the Cavs need as a scorer off the bench.

Nance, and I've been saying this since we drafted him, is a perfect 7th man on a contender. I will absolutely miss him.

Shedding Rose and Shump is a win, period.

I think the Cavs won the trade but it's still solid for the Lakers. I also think this sets them up nicely for a post-Lebron future by keeping the Brooklyn pick and getting rid of some toxic contracts.

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At what point is the whole ‘Lebron is the definition
of leadership’ going to be at least revisited?

In under a year he couldn’t work things out with
Kyrie AND IT?

And I’m not blaming Bron, but the idea that he
is some kind of transformational leader is
overblown.

He has at least as much baggage as Kobe, etc.

I mean, the Cavs gave up on it what, 15 games in?

From the bum ass teammates he’s brought in, to
the players he ran off or couldn’t reconcile with,
to the coaches he’s ran off, to him always looking
for an easier situation...

At least as much baggage.

With that said, IT was clearly unhappy and that added fuel to the fire.

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>At what point is the whole ‘Lebron is the definition
>of leadership’ going to be at least revisited?
>
>In under a year he couldn’t work things out with
>Kyrie AND IT?
>
>And I’m not blaming Bron, but the idea that he
>is some kind of transformational leader is
>overblown.
>
>He has at least as much baggage as Kobe, etc.
>
>I mean, the Cavs gave up on it what, 15 games in?


but gave up on what? that roster sucked.
might as well get younger and better.
the guys they gave up weren't really contributing anyway. IT not working with Bron is no surprise.

>
>From the bum ass teammates he’s brought in, to
>the players he ran off or couldn’t reconcile with,
>to the coaches he’s ran off, to him always looking
>for an easier situation...
>
>At least as much baggage.

Anyone besides Kyrie? Who clearly wanted to be the no.1 option and that obviously won't work playing next to Bron.

With that said, he is corny as fuck and i'll be happy to see anybody but the cavs come out of the east.

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2016 is one of the great leadership and contagious positive attitude championships in sports history.

Look at that championship: Notice how the team doesn't
even celebrate 0:00 by themselves -- they all immediately
flow to Lebron. He was that team.

It was pretty surreal, and if you can't see and admit that,
you probably have maxed out credit cards. And so you broke,
behind on payments, and frustrated.

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Both of you are right. Kyrie celebrated alone and everyone else went over to Lebron. Looking at how things panned out between the two....that moment said a lot. Especially given that Kyrie had just hit that big shot.

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(I hate the Boston trade, I hate the Boston trade, I hate the Boston trade...)

and really gave up nothing. I had big expectations for Crowder and like him - but he looked like he had a broken wheel as well.

This is going to really make Cleveland more dynamic, younger, and energetic. Win all around.

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i dont think the cap space the Lakers have now is worth all that much.

i thought they were kinda already in good shape via the traditional draft, develop, resign model. either Nance or Randle DID have to go, but i dunno about this way.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

Like when they got Shump, Mozgov and JR Smith for a bad of used dildos when then Bron came back to CLE and they were struggling around .500... lololololol

WWE ain't got shit on the NBA.. lolololol

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he has good plea cops ready if they dont go far and clear exit. If they do well, he took this new/young team mid-season and turned things around for his City.

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giving Bron probably his best chance to do work this spring

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JC & Larry scoot down the bench where they should be.

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When Lonzo's back...he certainly is.

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We're paying KCP more and Hart deserves the tick he's been getting.

Dude needs a new agent and PR flack....

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comment in Boston or he might still be there.

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and your little 5’8 ass will be calling Ice Cube for a 3 on 3 roster spot before long.

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go home for the rest of the season...


it would be foolish for Josh Hart to lose minutes to a guy who's only here for a minute...

We've got:

Deng - 18
Lonzo - 7
Ingram - 5.7
Ennis - 1.6
Kuzma - 1.6
Hart - 1.6
Zubac - 1.5
Bryant - 1.3

And that's it. So we're looking at like 40ish under contract next year, with a projected cap of 109 mil. I'm not entirely sure how Randle's cap hold works, nor what offers he's going to get, but if we stretched Deng at 7/per, that number then jumps up to 78 million in cap space with Lonzo, Ingram, and Kuzma as cost controlled assets for the next 2 years.

There's almost no way that IT and Frye REALLY help the Lakers this year but my guess is that Luke and co saw what they need to out of the young core, and we're projected to win around 30-35 games, which is (sadly) an improvement going back to 2012, which is truly insane. We have the Cavs 1st, along with two 2nd round picks.

I have no clue if Paul George is actually going to sign here, but the financials make a lot of sense. Now to hope one of these dudes is a superstar.

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> Now to hope one of
>these dudes is a superstar.

1) You can do ^that^ while hanging on to Clarkson (good enough to be at least a 3rd guard almost anywhere) and Nance (who a bunch of advanced stats declare to he the best player on the team).

2) Lakers are helping Cleveland drive down the value of the draft pick they got back. I think id have at least asked about the 2020 pick.

3) I realize the LAL have a whole different level of appeal, so there is reasonable justification for planning on FAgency, but the Pistons just acquired a superstar the long way for something pretty close to what the Lakers gave up just for the chance.

i dunno. i must be missing something.

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>1) You can do ^that^ while hanging on to Clarkson (good enough
>to be at least a 3rd guard almost anywhere) and Nance (who a
>bunch of advanced stats declare to he the best player on the
>team).

Clarkson isn't a playmaker, can't defend and he's not a 3 point shooter. Nance is a great glue guy, but you can worry about finding that shit AFTER you have your stars in place.

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Kuzma made Nance expendable.

>>1) You can do ^that^ while hanging on to Clarkson (good
>enough
>>to be at least a 3rd guard almost anywhere) and Nance (who a
>>bunch of advanced stats declare to he the best player on the
>>team).
>
>Clarkson isn't a playmaker, can't defend and he's not a 3
>point shooter. Nance is a great glue guy, but you can worry
>about finding that shit AFTER you have your stars in place.

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what the Lakers gave up vs what Detroit did is not close at all

from what im also reading elsewhere im *way* overvaluing clarkson

reaction seems to be that he was actually part of the *price* for nance

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

but LeBron can get an entirely new team @ the trade deadline when his ass was headed for a 2nd Round KO tho...


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>but LeBron can get an entirely new team @ the trade deadline
>when his ass was headed for a 2nd Round KO tho...
>

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let isaiah eat into zos minutes when he gets healthy or start complaining about being better than zo and not getting playing time.

hate to see Nance and JC go....but they opportunity to clear cap space...and get a 1st round pick ..at this point is something we couldn't pass by..

JC saves you 25 million over the next 2 seasons.... now we go into next season with more cap space available then any other team.... With a young core of Lonzo....BI.....Kuzma...and now Josh Hart ...

this gives us flexibility over the next 2 years.....and a 1st round pick which even if it's a low first...we've been hitting home runs with low 1st and 2nd round picks recently...

for Cleveland.... Nance and JC...along with their Brooklyn pick...will give them a place to start a rebuild.......


and for us..Isaiah Thomas start trippin....send his ass home..only 30 games left... he's hurt anyway and Josh Hart is showing he's a real player right now...

I get it, they're clearing cap space

but that's why they acquired Lopez

I didn't think the $12-13M that JC and Larry cost were big cap hits

?

and they basically got 2 guys back that are shadows of themselves

So the LAL only have rookie deals and Deng's contract next year

Is that really enticing to FAs?

Bron really want to go through building a roster again?

Cavs got 2 guys that are gonna ball

They've been competing for minutes and defined roles this year

They're gonna step in and pick up CLE

While the LAL are going to struggle to stay out of that top 3 protected status

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>I didn't think the $12-13M that JC and Larry cost were big cap
>hits

Clarkson's contract gets them space for 2 max spots. Nance isn't playing ahead of Kuzma and Randle, so peace.


>and they basically got 2 guys back that are shadows of
>themselves

Who the fuck cares?

>So the LAL only have rookie deals and Deng's contract next
>year
>
>Is that really enticing to FAs?

They have 3 guys under rookie deals with all star potential and the max cap space. What else is enticing to a free agent other than joining GS or Houston?


>Bron really want to go through building a roster again?

Don't know. But if wants a gang of cash, we have it.

>Cavs got 2 guys that are gonna ball
Good for them. Who cares? Lakers aren't making the playoffs anyway.


>While the LAL are going to struggle to stay out of that top 3
>protected status
>
>L

No Laker fan with a brain gives a shit about that pick. Again, for you slow people: Zo, Ingram, Kuzma, cap space.

I've watched a guy who was drafted late

work his ass off to even earn a spot in the league

carried the corpse of Kobe Bryant

and then get relegated to bench duty for your coveted rookies

I'm hearing this man be called everything except a child of god

'can't defend'
'ball stopper'
'can't make plays for other'
etc...

^^^I missed that part

IMO, he's gonna fill the 'Rie role that IT3 couldn't very well

He doesn't have the outside shot consistency that 'Rie does

but he'll be doing work with open looks and mismatches playing with Bron

the question was who does this trade benefit

when all you can muster is some possibilities...while the other team got professional basketball players in return

I'm calling that an L

but congrats on your cap space

Who are the coveted FAs in 2018?
PG has hinted that he might stay in OKC with Russ
Bron gon Bron

you miss on those 2 guys...what's left
= you'll be overpaying somebody.

JC is overpaid...from the franchise currently paying KCP $17M = LOL

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but i would rather have a 1st round pick and a chance at 2 max players instead of Clarkson and Nance, simple as that. especially since we have Hart and Kuzma to fill their roles just fine, who if we're being real i think will be the better players anyway