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"Who should, and who will, win NBA MVP this year?"


          

Two separate questions. Thoughts?

  

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Durant is the answer to both questions
Jan 28th 2018
1
I think Steph more likely to win it than KD after his past few weeks
Jan 28th 2018
2
He's barely the MVP of his team.
Jan 28th 2018
7
      He isn't. He's third.
Jan 29th 2018
22
Jimmy Butler
Jan 28th 2018
3
If the Cavs end up halfway decent, it should be Lebron and by 17 miles.
Jan 28th 2018
4
i've adopted the best player rule
Jan 29th 2018
23
James Harden make-up trophy
Jan 28th 2018
5
He's barely the MVP of his team.
Jan 28th 2018
8
      stop talking
Jan 28th 2018
9
           Harden is amazing. I'm right, though.
Jan 29th 2018
13
                LeBron essentially is Harden from all other years this year
Jan 29th 2018
15
                     Sure, except that Lebron is better at basketball than James Harden.
Jan 29th 2018
17
                          You can make the argument that Lebron should win every year just like...
Jan 29th 2018
25
                               Fair, but it's getting silly with Lebron.
Jan 29th 2018
27
                                    RE: Fair, but it's getting silly with Lebron.
Jan 29th 2018
28
                                    But other guys are playing better AND winning more than LeBron this year...
Jan 29th 2018
33
                                         Actually, no one since Jordan has played "better."
Jan 29th 2018
34
                                              Other guys are playing better this fucking year.
Jan 31st 2018
64
                                                   Nope. No one is better. Than Lebron. Today. He's the best.
Feb 16th 2018
91
Kyrie, Harden
Jan 28th 2018
6
kyrie probably should win. harden will win and he's a very fine choice
Jan 28th 2018
10
^^^
Jan 28th 2018
11
Why SHOULD he win?
Jan 29th 2018
16
Steph should win
Jan 29th 2018
12
He would be my pick
Jan 30th 2018
42
its Beard's turn
Jan 29th 2018
14
RE: Who should, and who will, win NBA MVP this year?
Jan 29th 2018
18
Kyrie and Kyrie
Jan 29th 2018
19
Kinda tough with the injuries
Jan 29th 2018
20
Give me your Kyrie arguments that didn't apply to Isaiah last year.
Jan 29th 2018
21
BOOM!
Jan 29th 2018
24
Dog, this about to be entertaining. Everyone is SO full of shit.
Jan 29th 2018
26
Anyone there? Hellloooo?
Jan 30th 2018
38
      yeah he's definitely not the mvp.
Jan 30th 2018
40
           A lot of "smart" people saying that. There are NO arguments. NONE.
Jan 31st 2018
47
                here's why you're wrong tho:
Jan 31st 2018
48
                     Nah, you're missing some thangs my brutha
Jan 31st 2018
49
                     WATCH GAMES
Jan 31st 2018
50
                     Bron now defends "slightly less hawkishly than he used to" LMAO
Jan 31st 2018
61
                          lol...even I cheesed at that...and I'm a Lebron stan
Jan 31st 2018
63
                          lmao
Jan 31st 2018
67
                          *lets man drive by for layup*
Jan 31st 2018
69
                               Dat leadership
Jan 31st 2018
70
                     yeah this is kinda pointless.
Jan 31st 2018
53
                     That, and Kyrie as MVP is an appealing narrative.
Jan 31st 2018
51
                          yep...he's .4 rebound per game off a triple double average...
Jan 31st 2018
52
                          yeah
Jan 31st 2018
54
RE: Who should, and who will, win NBA MVP this year?
Jan 29th 2018
29
the answer to both questions is still james harden. cry.
Jan 29th 2018
30
Harden is a god who happens to be worse at hoop than Lebron James.
Jan 29th 2018
31
      and if it was the best player award, that might be relevant.
Jan 29th 2018
32
           Russ wasn't "MVP" last season tho. His team was irrelevant.
Jan 29th 2018
35
                what's changed? it's NEVER been the best player award.
Jan 30th 2018
36
                     You right. But Russy wasn't none of that last year.
Jan 30th 2018
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                          russ definitely wasn't *my* mvp last year
Jan 30th 2018
39
                          If LeBron averaged a triple-double leading the league in scoring...smh
Jan 30th 2018
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                               So? He wouldn't have done that on a great team. His team was mediocre.
Jan 30th 2018
43
                                    Woulda coulda shoulda... Russ did it. Bron never did.
Jan 31st 2018
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                                         LOL. Nobody with above a 5th grade reading level cares about that.
Feb 14th 2018
73
cmon. (c) beard
Jan 30th 2018
44
Ahem.
Jan 31st 2018
45
as my grandmother used to say in her mississippi accent:
Jan 31st 2018
46
Harden last night said it's him.
Jan 31st 2018
55
Kevin Love
Jan 31st 2018
56
lulz
Jan 31st 2018
57
      Might be the point guard they start who's short for a human
Jan 31st 2018
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           lulz
Jan 31st 2018
59
                LMAO!!!
Jan 31st 2018
60
                     you're really getting your money's worth out of your IT schadenfreude
Jan 31st 2018
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                          LOL...he IS...it's as if IT came out with a Kyrie dis track....
Jan 31st 2018
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                          It makes me mad, cuz I used to really like IT.
Jan 31st 2018
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harden's last 3 weeks:
Feb 13th 2018
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Weird timing. He has a top 5 all time poing guard next to him.
Feb 14th 2018
72
      who's shitting on bron?
Feb 14th 2018
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      Bigging up anyone that isn't Bron is shitting on Bron
Feb 14th 2018
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      Fair, but see above. Niggas being hoe-like and petty about Lebron.
Feb 14th 2018
80
      Lebron had a pretty good pg next to him and ran him off, that's the...
Feb 14th 2018
76
           Kyrie isn't nor ever will be as good as Chris Paul (and no shame in that...
Feb 14th 2018
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                no disagreement but Lebron's team was still better with Kyrie
Feb 14th 2018
78
                     They were better when Tristan wasn't ass cheeks too.
Feb 14th 2018
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                          yeah too bad Lebron forced the Cavs to give him that big ass contract...
Feb 14th 2018
82
In this moment, its Harden.
Feb 14th 2018
81
unless Bron continues @ his absurd clip and Cavs rally to win the East
Feb 14th 2018
83
best record now too? yeah, there's no real argument for anyone else.
Feb 16th 2018
84
1. harden 2. bron 3. buckets 4. steph
Feb 16th 2018
85
is there room in the convo for a brief nod at LA?
Feb 16th 2018
86
RE: is there room in the convo for a brief nod at LA?
Feb 16th 2018
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Aldridge
Feb 16th 2018
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      RE: Aldridge
Feb 16th 2018
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           lol #93
Feb 16th 2018
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who?
Feb 16th 2018
89
First place of what?
Feb 16th 2018
90
      gak. i suck at the internet lately lol
Feb 16th 2018
93

Tiger Woods
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1. "Durant is the answer to both questions "
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2. "I think Steph more likely to win it than KD after his past few weeks"
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As long as Steph doesn't miss more games, i guess

  

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7. "He's barely the MVP of his team. "
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22. "He isn't. He's third."
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He might be the best player on the team, maybe. But Steph and Draymond are both more valuable to the Warriors than he is. If I had to pick a Warriors MVP, it's probably Draymond.

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3. "Jimmy Butler "
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4. "If the Cavs end up halfway decent, it should be Lebron and by 17 miles. "
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Two problems

a) Cavs are awful.

b) His name is Lebron James, and we don't like to give
him MVP trophies




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23. "i've adopted the best player rule"
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the mvp should have to be a guy who you can make a strong case is the best player in the world. that means dudes like russ, harden, and (for now) giannis need not apply. it's either steph, durant, or bron.

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5. "James Harden make-up trophy"
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8. "He's barely the MVP of his team. "
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9. "stop talking"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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13. "Harden is amazing. I'm right, though. "
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MVP is Lebron right now, and it's not really very
close.

Someone else could close the gap tho.


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15. "LeBron essentially is Harden from all other years this year"
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Almost unbelievable efficiency stats, complete runner of a show that's an elite offense, surrounded by shooters who don't shoot and a coach whose light touch can border on the absent side, absolutely cannot be bothered to play D, either the worst or one of the worst (and my Lord has he been one of the worst this year) defenders on one of the league's worst defenses.

I actually think Harden's numbers are gaudier, his team's definitely better, and he and his team play defense these days. I am most certainly biased, and yeah, James Harden is a more deserving MVP winner this year SO FAR than LeBron James.

It's the assholes in Golden State that I'm worried about, both that they might actually win and that they might *gulp* deserve it more. But there are two of them and also fuck them and that team.

  

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17. "Sure, except that Lebron is better at basketball than James Harden. "
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We just grade Lebron James on a negative curve, have his
entire career.

>It's the assholes in Golden State that I'm worried about, both
>that they might actually win and that they might *gulp*
>deserve it more. But there are two of them and also fuck them
>and that team.

Both Golden State guys are incredible.

But there is no argument for them, really.


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25. "You can make the argument that Lebron should win every year just like..."
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in Jordan's prime you could've made the argument that he should win every year if you just want to flat out make it about who's the best player but that's not what the award is really about plus that's boring.

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27. "Fair, but it's getting silly with Lebron. "
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>in Jordan's prime you could've made the argument that he
>should win every year if you just want to flat out make it
>about who's the best player but that's not what the award is
>really about plus that's boring.

It has become a race to find an excuse to not award him.



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28. "RE: Fair, but it's getting silly with Lebron. "
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>>in Jordan's prime you could've made the argument that he
>>should win every year if you just want to flat out make it
>>about who's the best player but that's not what the award is
>>really about plus that's boring.
>
>It has become a race to find an excuse to not award him.

You're right but like I said they did the same thing to Mike he could easily have another 3-5 MVP's.

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33. "But other guys are playing better AND winning more than LeBron this year..."
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34. "Actually, no one since Jordan has played "better.""
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But negative curve Lebron James, as we always do.


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64. "Other guys are playing better this fucking year."
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91. "Nope. No one is better. Than Lebron. Today. He's the best. "
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I say give Harden the MVP because he deserves one

But Bron is the best.

Cry, wimp.


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6. "Kyrie, Harden"
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10. "kyrie probably should win. harden will win and he's a very fine choice"
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11. "^^^"
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16. "Why SHOULD he win?"
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I don't understand his candidacy for MVP other that that he is the best player on a very good team. How has he been better than Bron, Harden, or the two Warriors? Not why he's good or has had an amazing year or has taught this team how to win. How has he played better than those four this year?

  

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12. "Steph should win"
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42. "He would be my pick"
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People would have a solid argument that KD or even Draymond would split his votes. And granted, CP3 has missed a good chunk of the year and likely wouldn't get votes, but if Harden can be a candidate with another All-NBA player than Steph can as well.

He's really the player that makes them go. I'm probably not telling you anything new but the team's on/off Net Rating is historic. Even moreso than Durant's ratings, which in his defense are really good, but not in Steph's range.

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14. "its Beard's turn"
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he's finished top 3 the last 2 seasons

  

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18. "RE: Who should, and who will, win NBA MVP this year?"
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Kyrie SHOULD win...but Harden will win it.

  

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19. "Kyrie and Kyrie"
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20. "Kinda tough with the injuries"
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As soon as someone gets hot, they get hurt (Curry, Harden, KD, Giannis).

Only two guys in the race that have been mostly healthy are Bron and Kyrie.

Here's how I see it:
SHOULD = 1-Harden, 2-Kyrie, 3-Steph, 4-Bron...and reason being is because while missing CP3 for a big chunk of the season, he help the Rox still get #2 in the west. Kyrie second because he's essentially leading a C's team that's almost all new to the east best record.

Couldn't go wrong with either.

WILL = Harden. Mainly based on body of work. BUT if LeBron and the Cavs go on another 19 of 21 run like they did earlier this year and the headlines go from how they were struggling to how they might win it...He'll get another one. Only way I see Kyrie or Steph winning is if Harden goes down for a few weeks after the allstar break and they both keep balling like they've been the last few weeks.

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21. "Give me your Kyrie arguments that didn't apply to Isaiah last year. "
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40. "yeah he's definitely not the mvp."
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great season and all, but folx are doing way too much with the mvp talk.

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47. "A lot of "smart" people saying that. There are NO arguments. NONE. "
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EVERY Kyrie argument can be made for Isaiah last year.

EVERY single one.

This is my point, Dula: even with the Cavs woes, Lebron
is a way, way, way more thorough candidate than Kyrie.
Almost nobody has that.

Why?

Because of the Lebron Tax. We look for reasons to discredit
him. It's embarrassing.

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48. "here's why you're wrong tho:"
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the kyrie argument is basically the "best player on a #1 seed" argument.

but the same people making that argument this year for kyrie were making the same argument in the past for lebron when his team was the #1 seed.

so again: it's not really an anti-lebron selective criteria thing. there actually are other quality candidates.

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49. "Nah, you're missing some thangs my brutha"
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>the kyrie argument is basically the "best player on a #1
>seed" argument.

Right, which exposes the contradiction with Isaiah last
year. None of these bums were saying Isaiah was MVP.

And Russ wasn't anywhere near no damn 1 seed....which
brings me to:

>but the same people making that argument this year for kyrie
>were making the same argument in the past for lebron when his
>team was the #1 seed.

Nah, Lebron's cases have always COMBINED the "best player
on a 1-seed" with:

1) His stat lines being always very, very, very stupid
(ala Russy. UNLIKE Russy, he didn't put up those stupid
stat lines on mediocre teams. So Lebron's cases have
always been better than Russy's last year, if we're
being real)

2) He's been the best player in the world, by a lot,
for a decade+ (hasn't really been close since Kobe's prime,
though KD is shrinking the gap *slightly*).

So his cases have been shutdown for almost 10 years
straight, from multiple angles:

- Best player on top team
- Stupid ignorant funky ass statlines (ON good teams)
- Flat out best player

Hell, dude even defends (slightly less hawkishly than
he used to, but he does, and well)

The reason we don't award him is because we like finding
reasons not to. And that's all good. I just wish we'd admit it,
and stop shape-shifting and copping pleas.

Any nigga saying Kyrie is the MVP this year is dishonest,
dumb, mad, or probably all of the above.








>so again: it's not really an anti-lebron selective criteria
>thing. there actually are other quality candidates.

  

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50. "WATCH GAMES"
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>2) He's been the best player in the world, by a lot,
>for a decade+ (hasn't really been close since Kobe's prime,
>though KD is shrinking the gap *slightly*).

It ain't that slight.

>Hell, dude even defends (slightly less hawkishly than
>he used to, but he does, and well)

NO, he doesn't. He's been actually, unquestionably godawful at D this year, and only so much of that can be attributed to an indifference to seeding or saving his body for the playoffs or what the fuck ever we want to attribute it to every year. He's been outright bad on that end.


>The reason we don't award him is because we like finding
>reasons not to. And that's all good. I just wish we'd admit
>it,
>and stop shape-shifting and copping pleas.

This has always been a solid argument to rock with, that Bron's historical greatness goes less appreciated than a guy who has a legitimate claim to GOAT status should. But not this year, my dude. This is an antiquated argument when Bron's out here letting Anthony Tolliver and Henry Ellenson and Stanley "I work real hard sometimes" Johnson get buckets on him.

  

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61. "Bron now defends "slightly less hawkishly than he used to" LMAO"
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63. "lol...even I cheesed at that...and I'm a Lebron stan"
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67. "lmao"
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just a year ago, dude was still claiming that lebron was elite and on kawhi's level defensively. he's fucking ridiculous with that shit.

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69. "*lets man drive by for layup*"
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*glares and gives stink eye to teammate on the weak side 20 ft away from the action*

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70. "Dat leadership"
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>*glares and gives stink eye to teammate on the weak side 20
>ft away from the action*

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53. "yeah this is kinda pointless."
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you're basically saying that every single person on earth has to agree that lebron has been the nba's most valuable player this season, and anyone who doesn't is either dumb and/or hates lebron.

that's a foolish position, fam. lolz. i can't really debate that seriously.

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51. "That, and Kyrie as MVP is an appealing narrative."
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The guy who played Robin to Bron's Batman leads the Celtics to the 1 seed in his first post-Bron season *after* they lost Gordon Hayward? That's a sexy narrative. Easily digestible. There's an underdog element *and* a "they're the 1 seed" element.

So much of it has to do every year with narrative. There are years where the most valuable player and/or the best player don't necessarily win. Because a different player who was also very great and very valuable had the better narrative.

Even last year-- yes, Westbrook had statistically the best season, but it was also the fun "average a triple double" narrative. This year, he very well could average a triple double AGAIN by year's end, but despite being damn close today to the same statistical achievement* that won him the MVP last season, he's not the favorite, and most online betting markets have him pegged around sixth or seventh best odds to win.** The narrative has changed.

*- yes, I'm aware the points are down as is his outside shooting, but still-- we may have a guy average a triple double this season THAT DOESN'T FINISH TOP 3 IN MVP VOTING.

**- current odds order from what I can find: Harden heavy favorite, followed by, depending on the market, Lebron, Giannis, Durant, Irving, Kyrie, Curry, then Westbrook. Order varies place to place obviously.

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52. "yep...he's .4 rebound per game off a triple double average..."
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this year and leads the league in triple doubles, by far. Last year, like you said...there was absolutely a narrative. Second best player in the league bolts and the feisty point guard puts his team on his back while averaging a triple double AND getting more triple doubles in one season than anyone else ever. I'm here for narratives. Problem is...what is the MVP SUPPOSED to be? Everyone has a different view and thus...debates about it every damn year.

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54. "yeah"
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between the robin thing and hayward going down, kyrie definitely has the best narrative. and if they'd kept up their early season pace and were miles out in front of toronto i'd give him more serious consideration.

as it stands tho, i don't see any argument for him ahead of harden.

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29. "RE: Who should, and who will, win NBA MVP this year?"
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http://www.nba.com/article/2018/01/26/mvp-ladder-2017-18-week-15-russell-westbrook-oklahoma-city-thunder-reemerges#/

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30. "the answer to both questions is still james harden. cry."
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31. "Harden is a god who happens to be worse at hoop than Lebron James. "
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What a ballplayer, though.


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32. "and if it was the best player award, that might be relevant. "
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35. "Russ wasn't "MVP" last season tho. His team was irrelevant. "
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Let's just admit that we change the criteria to
not give it to Lebron. Ain't no thang. It's all
good. But it's true.


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36. "what's changed? it's NEVER been the best player award."
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if it were then kareem would have 10 and jordan would have 10.

narrative and team record have always been factors. nothing's been changed specifically to slight lebron. that's all in your head.

i really don't get ppl who just want mvp to automatically go to the consensus best player year in and year out. can't imagine anything more fucking boring. in fact, some of my favorite recent campaigns have been cases where the winner clearly and undeniably was NOT the league's best player (AI, nash, rose)

i also do get why anyone would think that this bullshit-ass limp-dick lackluster fucking season the cavs are having is worthy of any sort of awards or honors but hey, do you.

so lebron getting like 10 in a row, with no in-season suspense whatsoever. that shit's hot to you? that's preferable to what's actually played out over the last decade? if so, why?

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37. "You right. But Russy wasn't none of that last year. "
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>
>i also do get why anyone would think that this bullshit-ass
>limp-dick lackluster fucking season the cavs are having is
>worthy of any sort of awards or honors but hey, do you.

OKC was "lackluster" last year too tho.

>so lebron getting like 10 in a row, with no in-season suspense
>whatsoever. that shit's hot to you? that's preferable to
>what's actually played out over the last decade? if so, why?

Nah bro. We good.

I'm just saying.

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39. "russ definitely wasn't *my* mvp last year"
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wasn't even in my top 3 (harden, bron, kawhi)

but i understood why he won (first trip dub avg in however many years) and was basically fine with it (again, narrative matters and always has)

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41. "If LeBron averaged a triple-double leading the league in scoring...smh"
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43. "So? He wouldn't have done that on a great team. His team was mediocre. "
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: )

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62. "Woulda coulda shoulda... Russ did it. Bron never did."
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73. "LOL. Nobody with above a 5th grade reading level cares about that. "
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44. "cmon. (c) beard"
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<---------- PRASMES!

  

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45. "Ahem."
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46. "as my grandmother used to say in her mississippi accent:"
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"baby... some folk just don't believe fat meat is greasy"

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55. "Harden last night said it's him."
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It's nothing like last year, where there were arguments for the top 3, even four. It seems like Harden is best bet, and no one else is really close at this point of the year.

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56. "Kevin Love"
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The Cavs have given up 148 and 125 points in games without him. Obviously he's their defensive anchor.

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57. "lulz"
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i know you're being facetious, but he actually is tied with lebron for the team's best defensive rating. they're right around a league average defense when he's on the floor.

that's why it's funny to me that he's the first name out of ppl's mouths when they discuss the cavs' atrocious defense. like he's the one killing them.

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58. "Might be the point guard they start who's short for a human"
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Much less an NBA player. Or the roster of 36 year olds who were really good six years ago.

  

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59. "lulz"
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https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomais02/gamelog/2018

in 8 of his 11 games so far, they've been outscored while he's been on the floor. 5 times by 15+, 3 times by 20 or more.

“We’ve been a lowest-five defensive team in the NBA the whole time,” Thomas told reporters last weekend. “So when I come back, it’s my fault now? Which, life isn’t fair, but that’s not fair, bro.”

lololz

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60. "LMAO!!!"
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Goddamn, how did I miss that quote, that's a thing of *beauty.*

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65. "you're really getting your money's worth out of your IT schadenfreude"
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<---------- PRASMES!

  

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66. "LOL...he IS...it's as if IT came out with a Kyrie dis track...."
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all the dude did was get traded/get his heart broken by his former GM.

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68. "It makes me mad, cuz I used to really like IT."
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Liked him at Washington, was rooting for him.

Then people said he was better than Kyrie. I was even okay with that— he had a really good season (there were lunatics on this board who said it before the Celtics, but whatever, can’t reason with trolls).

But then when I read some people saying that Cleveland won the trade because IT was better than Kyrie? After all Kyrie did for Cleveland? Especially when I’d see people calling IT a better defender— which wasn’t even true when Kyrie was a *bad* defender? Yeah, I got mad. The defense thing in particular set me off.

So yeah, I’m probably having a little too much fun. It was just *so obvious* Kyrie was gonna be left holding a bag of washed dudes after the offseason, so I’m really really happy everything went down the way it did. The fact that the same folks who tried to justify the trade being better for Cleveland are now the ones saying “wait, IT’s not playing defense!! What the hell??” when that makes it crystal clear they’d never watched him play a game? Yeah, that’s icing.

I hope IT gets out of there and gets a chance at a fresh start somewhere else, so I can go back to liking him again for what he is— a fun little dude with a lot of offensive skill.

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71. "harden's last 3 weeks:"
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33 ppg, 8.8 apg, 6.1 rpg, 1.6 spg, 65% TS, +10.4

oh and his teams's 9-0.

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72. "Weird timing. He has a top 5 all time poing guard next to him. "
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>33 ppg, 8.8 apg, 6.1 rpg, 1.6 spg, 65% TS, +10.4
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>oh and his teams's 9-0.

What all-time player does Lebron have next to him?

And I still say give Harden his MVP, because he deserves it,
but your timing is still weird and LOL @ us continuing to find
reasons to shit on Lebron


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74. "who's shitting on bron?"
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i'm bigging beard up. the rest is your imagination.

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75. "Bigging up anyone that isn't Bron is shitting on Bron"
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You haven't learned this yet? Jerry Rice is the best receiver of all time? You're shitting on Bron. Nas is the greatest rapper of all time? You're shitting on Bron. Happy Birthday Mom! What about Bron? Never before in the history of sports has one athlete needed so much validation.

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80. "Fair, but see above. Niggas being hoe-like and petty about Lebron. "
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76. "Lebron had a pretty good pg next to him and ran him off, that's the..."
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opposite of being valuable to your team lol

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77. "Kyrie isn't nor ever will be as good as Chris Paul (and no shame in that..."
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>opposite of being valuable to your team lol


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78. "no disagreement but Lebron's team was still better with Kyrie "
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79. "They were better when Tristan wasn't ass cheeks too. "
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So there's also that.

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82. "yeah too bad Lebron forced the Cavs to give him that big ass contract..."
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he can't COP PLEAS about teammates when he's the reason for the teammates he has lol

We all know Lebron is the best player but Harden is having a better season on a better team.

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81. "In this moment, its Harden. "
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His scoring will dip now with Green and ISO Joe are there, but he is rolling.

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83. "unless Bron continues @ his absurd clip and Cavs rally to win the East"
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Harden.

Even if Cavs can somehow win the East and have a top 3 record in the league - still might be Harden - especially if HOU overcomes GSW for best record.

Right now - Harden has been the most effective dynamo in the game.

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84. "best record now too? yeah, there's no real argument for anyone else."
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85. "1. harden 2. bron 3. buckets 4. steph"
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86. "is there room in the convo for a brief nod at LA?"
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he wont win, and most likely wont even be top 5

but hes kept that team in first place all year

id like to see him pick up some points at least

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87. "RE: is there room in the convo for a brief nod at LA?"
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LA?

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88. "Aldridge"
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92. "RE: Aldridge"
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I was confused cause i usually know him as LMA.


And then I thought you meant him but the Spurs arent in first

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94. "lol #93"
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89. "who?"
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90. "First place of what?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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93. "gak. i suck at the internet lately lol"
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forgot top 3 seeds arent division winners anymore

still feel the same way about aldridge tho

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