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dula dibiasi
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"nba 12.15"


  

          

full slate. the obvious headliner in houston, with other tasty matchups in indy, boston, denver and philly.

LA Clippers (29%) @ Washington (71%) 7:00 PM (ET)
Miami (37%) @ Charlotte (63%) 7:00 PM
Oklahoma City (43%) @ Philadelphia (57%) 7:00 PM
Detroit (37%) @ Indiana (63%) 7:00 PM
Portland (57%) @ Orlando (43%) 7:00 PM
Brooklyn (16%) @ Toronto (84%) 7:30 PM
Utah (33%) @ Boston (67%) 7:30 PM
Chicago (18%) @ Milwaukee (82%) 8:00 PM
Atlanta (29%) @ Memphis (71%) 8:00 PM
New Orleans (41%) @ Denver (59%) 9:00 PM
San Antonio (19%) @ Houston (81%) 9:30 PM

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good read on houston's new-look defense.
Dec 15th 2017
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we HAVE to start referring to dude as Il Baffo, now on here
Dec 15th 2017
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dat baff.
Dec 15th 2017
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I think i need to go when they come to detroit
Dec 15th 2017
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      already copped my tix for january 8th. center court, 7th row.
Dec 15th 2017
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PG SO disruptive in the passing lanes
Dec 15th 2017
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https://youtu.be/hAUbdHw8QG4?t=107
Dec 15th 2017
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JJ is nasty
Dec 15th 2017
6
Lol, Russy w a 21 sec iso and terrible reverse layup attempt
Dec 15th 2017
7
yo i love embiid, man.
Dec 15th 2017
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Let em know Melo!, let em know.
Dec 15th 2017
11
Cracked the shit out of Roberson
Dec 15th 2017
12
Smh...Andre just got stole in the face...clear as day
Dec 15th 2017
13
Gotdamn Hustlebrook
Dec 15th 2017
14
THERE'S your scowl
Dec 15th 2017
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embiid bout to colllapse..they gonna give him the next 2 games off.
Dec 15th 2017
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Embiid is a fucking warrior
Dec 15th 2017
17
Fucks with Westbrook on all levels
Dec 15th 2017
18
Westbrook is something else.
Dec 15th 2017
19
cotdamn...the screen flipped to San Antonio gettin boat raced
Dec 15th 2017
20
d'antoni n'em done cracked the enigma code.
Dec 15th 2017
22
      Def the best D’Antoni iteration
Dec 16th 2017
26
bulls seem to have righted the ship.
Dec 15th 2017
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let's hope not
Dec 15th 2017
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      let's not get crazy. they'll still finish bottom 3 or so.
Dec 15th 2017
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           Fred gets no blame, right? Just checking. n/m
Dec 15th 2017
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                kindly point to one Bull that could start for any other Central team nm
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dula dibiasi
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1. "good read on houston's new-look defense."
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104 Points or Less: D’Antoni Ball Isn’t Just for Offense Anymore
Chris Paul has unlocked a suddenly elite Houston Rockets defense

By Danny Chau Dec 15, 2017, 8:35am EST

After a storied Italian basketball career in Milan, Mike D'Antoni is known in the city as Il Baffo—or, the Mustache—for his iconic, Pringles-logo visage. So, then, it was almost destined that he’d land in Houston. From Il Baffo came the Beard, and one of the most jaw-dropping individual seasons in NBA history. D’Antoni had long been a point-guard whisperer of sorts, transferring his basketball ideologies into a single player who had the ability to execute his vision on the court. D’Antoni found an ideal avatar in James Harden, who combines all the lessons learned from Steve Nash’s “Seven Seconds or Less” heyday in Phoenix and repackages them in a 6-foot-5 frame to become one of the game’s most reliable scorers.

But it turns out we weren’t thinking big enough. D’Antoni lorded over the Italian league as a hot-headed competitor, a leader, and a disruptive player with quick hands. The latter ability led the greatest point guard in Italy’s history to earn another nickname: Arsenio Lupin. The Gentleman Thief. Sound familiar?

In Chris Paul, D’Antoni found a proxy for the side of the ball he’d abandoned in his quest for total offense. Committing to the defense always seemed paradoxical to D’Antoni’s true ambitions. The ball can’t find energy if there isn’t any left for the offensive end.

But D’Antoni’s longstanding defensive hat quandary has all but evaporated this season. Twenty-six games in, we’ve been offered a glimpse at what an even more perfect D’Antoni collective could look like. It’s a fusion of the forward-facing small-ball revolution he’s shepherded for years, and his sensibilities as a player that had lain dormant all the while. The dual point guard system, as it turns out, wasn’t an attempt at establishing total offense; it was an effort to instill a sort of balance absent in so many of D’Antoni’s previous teams. It’s led to the best record in the league, and, improbably, an elite-caliber defense.

The seeds were planted last year, when D’Antoni brought in Jeff Bzdelik as a defensive coordinator, effectively ceding defensive operations entirely to a person whose job was to serve as the ego to D’Antoni’s id. The bar was low for the job. Houston was below league average in defensive rating last season, but Bzdelik still received plaudits for what he’d done to the defense; at least they weren’t in the bottom third of the league. A defensive structure and mind-set were being installed, but they didn’t have the right pieces, nor did they have a proper leader.


Elite defenses have signal-callers on the floor, players who can break down what’s happening and relay necessary information to teammates about what’s about to happen. In Paul, Bzdelik has a player who possesses the kind of militant approach to the game that had been lacking in last season’s squad. And in new additions Luc Mbah a Moute and P.J. Tucker, the Rockets have established a bullpen of interchangeable 3-and-D defenders who can take on almost any assignment given to them. In Wednesday’s 108-96 win against the Hornets, the Rockets deployed Tucker on Kemba Walker, Dwight Howard, and everyone in between.

That’s the burden of responsibility given to a defender in the D’Antoni system. Over the years, that label’s felt like a gimmick: Imagine an enforcer in hockey, but then imagine if mano-a-mano brawling were literally half of the sport. Shawn Marion was, at most, the third-most popular player on the D’Antoni Suns, but there was more pressure on him to provide for the team than anyone else. “I want him to be everything, do everything,” D’Antoni told the writer Jack McCallum in Seven Seconds or Less. Dan D’Antoni, Mike’s older brother and Suns assistant coach at the time, clarified those thoughts. “We don’t want him to just guard his guy,” Dan said. “We want him to keep his guy from scoring. We don’t always ask that of our other players.”

The Rockets now have a cadre of those players, and thus far, Bzdelik’s visions of an elite Houston defense have manifested quicker than anyone could have predicted. As outlined by the Houston Chronicle’s Jonathan Feigen, D’Antoni-isms like the ball finds energy have given way to Bzdelik-isms. He has given the team a defensive mantra: Talk it. Touch it. Switch it. Grab it.

It’s shorthand notation for the thought process behind switching screens, emphasizing communication and a tactile transference of one person’s assignment to another. The two defenders will call out the switch, keep one hand on their man to prevent an easy roll to the basket, and then assume the other’s defensive responsibility once the switch has been made. "Switching can't be a convenience," Bzdelik told Feigen. "It has to be used as a weapon. It can be very effective because of the way the game is played. Our rules are, you switch to deny, you switch to force a turnover, and you switch to take away a 3.”

With the framework of a modern defense set in place, the Rockets have taken liberties with the talent at their disposal. Tucker, Mbah a Moute, and Trevor Ariza are such stout individual defenders that it’s allowed Paul opportunities to freelance on the weak side. Here is Paul moonlighting as an NFL cornerback, flying in midair to Peanut punch the ball out of DeMarcus Cousins’s hands before Boogie even has time to gather:

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Bzdelik has created an organizing principle for the team, but the trust is the foundation of all good defenses. Knowing a teammate can be counted on to rotate allows the four engines of the defense (Paul, Ariza, Mbah a Moute, and Tucker) to let their own instincts take the wheel. Here, Harden and Nene quickly double Victor Oladipo in a pick-and-roll he’s running with Domantas Sabonis. It prompts Dipo to get the ball to Sabonis as soon as possible, but Harden’s length is enough to turn it into an awkward bounce pass at an awkward angle. The time it takes for Sabonis to corral the pass is more than enough for Tucker to leave his assignment (Lance Stephenson) and trap Sabonis to force a jump ball.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohs7LohAaBKJ6rgo8/giphy.gif

The most interesting thing about the Rockets defense is how little ground they lose when shrinking their lineups. At one point in their game against Charlotte, the Rockets trotted out a lineup of Paul, Harden, Ariza, Tucker, and Eric Gordon against a traditional, Dwight-centric unit. Dwight may have gotten favorable touches in the post, but luring the Hornets into multiple post touches against the Rockets’ 3-point barrage is a basic arithmetic advantage. Tucker is more than game to do a Chuck Hayes impersonation guarding down on the low block, and the Rockets don’t suffer at all from the height differential Tucker faces guarding centers most nights. It’s an interesting counterpunch to the Warriors’ near-unsolvable lineups—and we saw some Warriors-busting potential on opening night.

The Rockets, as you may have heard, have not lost a single one of their 12 games with Paul in the starting lineup. Since November 16, when Paul made his return from a month-long absence due to a knee injury, the Rockets have had the best defense in the league.

http://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=11%2F16%2F2017

It’s not all roses: Mbah a Moute suffered a shoulder injury in the Hornets win, but the team is hopeful that he’ll be able to return in two to three weeks, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. How the Rockets respond and maintain their defensive efficiency down one of their aces will be something to watch heading into the new year.

A D’Antoni-led team with multiple superstars in tow has nothing to prove on offense during the regular season. But if defense is a product of timing, repetition, and familiarity, the regular season still offers the necessary reps to develop a consistent presence on that side of the ball. As impressive as the Rockets’ 22-4 start has been, the team is still dogged by the confluence of negative perceptions that has plagued D’Antoni, Harden, and Paul all their careers, each of them carrying a unique scent of perennial postseason underachievement. The Rockets can’t do anything about that now, but their showing on defense this season is more than enough evidence that this team is unlike any the trio has been a part of.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/12/15/16779750/nba-mike-dantoni-chris-paul-houston-rockets-defense

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2. "we HAVE to start referring to dude as Il Baffo, now on here"
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10. "dat baff."
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3. "I think i need to go when they come to detroit"
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seeing his suns play live was so much different than on TV

plus the last time i saw Chris Paul live he was getting cooked by Jarrett Jack in the Thrillerdome.

btw the fact that Jack is contributing still at the NBA level seems to indicate to me that he could have been REALLY good if he had landed in the right situation with the right coach. hes like what chauncey billups would have been if he hadnt landed in Detroit and played for Larry Brown.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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8. "already copped my tix for january 8th. center court, 7th row. "
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greatest show on earth right now. i've watched prolly 20 of their games. they're pretty much playing perfect basketball.

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4. "PG SO disruptive in the passing lanes"
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5. "https://youtu.be/hAUbdHw8QG4?t=107"
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https://youtu.be/hAUbdHw8QG4?t=107

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6. "JJ is nasty"
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7. "Lol, Russy w a 21 sec iso and terrible reverse layup attempt "
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Then looks at the official.

Pack them bags PG...if you ever unpacked in the first place

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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9. "yo i love embiid, man. "
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this kid's a maniac.

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11. "Let em know Melo!, let em know."
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12. "Cracked the shit out of Roberson"
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Terrible missed call

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13. "Smh...Andre just got stole in the face...clear as day"
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14. "Gotdamn Hustlebrook"
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15. "THERE'S your scowl"
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16. "embiid bout to colllapse..they gonna give him the next 2 games off."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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17. "Embiid is a fucking warrior"
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18. "Fucks with Westbrook on all levels"
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You don't?? .. FOH

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19. "Westbrook is something else."
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After Embiid knocked Carmelo Anthony to the floor just now
by accident, Embiid stretched out his hand to help Carmelo Anthony up. Westbrook rushed over to knock Embiid's hand away to then help Carmelo Anthony up himself.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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20. "cotdamn...the screen flipped to San Antonio gettin boat raced"
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22. "d'antoni n'em done cracked the enigma code."
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this team is serious.

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26. "Def the best D’Antoni iteration"
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Unfortunately for them, they will face off against an all time team in the W’s

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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21. "bulls seem to have righted the ship."
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young boys stepping up (dunn, markkanen, nwaba, portis)

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23. "let's hope not"
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when does Cameron Coypu Payne come back? I'm cool with a win every 5 games or so but win streaks are not the move right now. There still doesn't seem to be a clear cut #1 pick in next year's draft and I guess #1-5 would be ok, but if we somehow fall outta top five this season was for nothing. with one more win we'd have the 6th worst record.

  

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24. "let's not get crazy. they'll still finish bottom 3 or so. "
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they're in a groove right now to be sure, but it won't last forever. the tank's still in effect.

besides, they don't need the absolute worst record to win the thing. the team with the highest odds has only won (i believe) 6 off the 33 draft lotteries. as long as they're in the bottom 3 they'll still have a decent shot @ #1.

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25. "Fred gets no blame, right? Just checking. n/m"
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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27. "kindly point to one Bull that could start for any other Central team nm"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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